Fedor vs. Silva Hangover: What's next for "The Last Emperor"?

Funny how dana badmouth's a legend like fedor, Yet Coker says nothing about Liddell and couture's last opponent,

I know right...



Coker tweets: 'Hahaha KO'd again...'

overhyped husk. thats all there is to it. got beat by a sideshow act, who really should be big foot from tvs long lost brother or sumthin. both of these guys wud get tuke out it ufc.

Were you just trying to find a reason to use the word husk because the rest of your post made absolutely no sense.

Complete idiot, that is the only way to describe you.

I be honest, with the exception of Fedor, Overeem, GSP, Cain, and Anderson Silva. MMA sucks. The rest of Strikeforce and UFC fighters all suck. I can't stand watching them with the exception of the fighters above. It is JOKE. Everyone can put gloves on and train to fight. NOT EVERYONE can put the helmet on and play football. When these fighters are gone the sport will suck. Gayna, has NO hope of EVER out dooing football. The Sport will NEVER evolve in America because of football and the Bowl Championships and the NCAA TOurney.



I will say Kudos to Strikeforce on the GP tourney. I think the doctors rang the bell too early on Fedor. In the GSP/Koscheck fight they let Kosheck keep fighting. I know it was a different doctor and a different country they fought in. It turned out to that Fedor only had a swollen eye NOT a broken orbital bone like Koscheck had.

lol

LOL- It's true MMA will never be bigger then the NFL. NEVER. When those fighters leave GSP, Anderson, and Cain the UFC will suck. No young star power worth a damn to watch.

So you don't like John Jones or Anthony Petis? What you just said has an extra chromosome. Of course MMA will never be as big as football, it's a niche market BUT only one in a hundred can even compete in the low level orgs like Reality or KOTC. The talent is at least as high as football.

dana badmouth's fedor because he have fears that strikeforce might grow bigger than ufc



only stupid people can believe his words

his UFC champions were telling us that fedor was the best not some hype over media like he says.

How can someone like him in a organization like that uses language like that.

Retarded Fat F***

ARE ALL OF YOU STUPID OR JUST DUMB STRIKEFORCE WILL NEEEEEEVER BECOME AS BIG AS THE UFC EVER LMAO THE ONLY THING STRIKEFORCE HAS GOING FOR THEM IS FEDOR AND OVEREEM..AND OVEREEM WILL PROLY SIGN WITH UFC WHEN HIS SHITY ST CONTRACT IS UP AND YES SRIKEFORCE IS THE LITTLE LEAGUES YOU IF YOU WANT TO BEILEVE IT OR NOT THEY ONLY FIT LIKE 2000 PEOPLE AT THEIR EVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Didnt randy win his last fight? And BOTH chuck and randy are olderr than fedor...and they get injure d and fight more often and fight better competition, so what exactly would coker say?



Coker:lol liddell got KO'd again.



Dana: he's 40 years old and fights against the best constantly. Is Fedor ready to fight the next guy we cut yet?



Yea, that argument wouldn't go in his favor.

Dana badmouths EVERYONE including Anderson Silva and Chuck Liddell

Arlovski vs Fedor 2?

Arlovski and Werdum were never cut from the UFC actually.



Infact Arlovski was on a 3-fight win streak when he left the UFC.

Strikeforce is doing pretty good for themselves without all the promotional tools the UFC has. In four years the promotion went from making 4 million a year to 30. That is a huge jump in profits.

@Nemesis

Randy's last opponent was James Toney,

ARE YOU STUPID AS ****???HOW DO YOU THINK COMPANIES AND BUSINESSES GET THERE NAME OUT THERE ITS A LIL SOMTHING CALLED PROMOTING YOU SUCH A DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!

Yea, meanwhile Fedor gets hyped up for beating a guy who lost to a RETIRED boxer who Ko'd him being maybe older than randy.

Randy has that same win haha. Btw I like Fedor and Randy.

Randy didn't finish him either, so +1 for Fedor, yeah baby!



Na if anything though GSP or Anderson Silva would lose to a 50+ pound opponent too, stop hating Fedor he took a million bombs from the mount and still survive to the end of the round looking for a submission, dude is truly the baddest man on the planet taking those shots, Lesnar would have quit, Couture would of been KO'd.

How old is couture? Fedor is saying he's too old right around when couture started, and couture has steadily faced tougher competition. If randy beat silvia, he came out of RETIREMENT to do it...abit more impressive.



Don't nuthug. Saying he's greatest HW is fine, saying he's baddest man on the planet or something else stupid is nuthugging.

WOW RCV Big Foot used his size on the ground, what about th skill he used to pass Fedors guard. I hought the Lesnar V Velasquez would put this size nonsense to bed,Fedor didn't look better than Big Foot striking which really surprised me but maybe the reason was the size of Big Foot right rcv. But what also surprises me is this 205 talk. Do people really believe he will turn back time by dropping weight where fighter's are more talented. Fedo is no doubt the best HW ever but his time has come. SF will probably find a way to ge him back in the tourn but he really shouldn't imo.

With all due respect to you, did you even read my piece? I mentioned how well Bigfoot was doing on the ground and on the feet. I also mentioned how much of a factor his size was.

@rcv

to be honest i skimmed through it,.but you when you say stuff like ''but this is a perfect example that the Heavyweights in this day and age are not like they were in Fedor's day'' are you refering to the siz of HW's today ?

Yes.

compared to what.. 7'3 280 hong man choi who got ontop of fedor, or semy schilts/ 6'10 250 one of the best kickboxers on the planet? Silva is nothing new.. and cain velasquez is a perfect example of how your thoughts are irrelvent because hes 240 and dominating the "biggest" guys in the ufc

@rcv

so the Werdum loss was pure luck on the BJJ champions part right or was it because Werdum weighed more too. lol. Look I will never be disrepectfull to Fedors legacy in this sport. But i'm very disappointed at the excuses being made for Fedor and the fact the Big Foot is not getting the props he deserves. There are guys on this site taling about Fedor dropping down and ruling 205 and saying Fedor just sin't motivated. I'm not having any of it weaqk me all you want i don't care. Fedor lost because he is no longer the best it's that simple. As wrong as it is for him to possibly get back in the Grand Prix apart of me hopes he does and I hope he gets Rodgers again two coz if his striking is anything like it was against Big Foot then Rodgers will knock him out next time.

Werdum is the real deal. I'm not making excuses for him, if you read properly you could see I explain it. Fedor obviously is past is prime and he isn't the same man that dominated in PRIDE. Simple as that.

Ok you've made some good points, but Fedor isn't like Cain. Cain is a SOLID 230, Overeem is a solid 265. Fedor is 235 of pudge, the guys that he fought back in those days weren't rock solid like the Heavyweight's of this day and age.

Good article.



Yeah, Dana seriously has no class. If they aint making him money, he talks shit. If they argue about a contract, he lets them go (Henderson, Verdum). If they arent marketable(odd looks, personality, etc), he pretends they dont exist or criticizes their abilities (Fedor, Silva, Barnet etcetc). He's all about money. All promoters are, but he puts on this "average Joe" persona that has people fooled to thinking he's a regular guy. Nope.



I dont view that fight as damaging to Fedor's legacy. Silva is different breed of HW. Different than what Fedor faced in the past. This was a Dr. stoppage. He survived nuclear ground and pound, black belt level sub attacks (from a giant no less!) and still had the presence of mind to grab for the heel hook at the end of round 2. He may not fit in the new breed of mma fighter, but that is one tough as nails Russian SOB.

Very good points my friend, I also am a big fan of your username =D

Man...just when I though I managed to read all the articles here without getting emotional...you wrote this one and got me going.



Great writing...thank you!

I had a hard time writing this myself as a huge fan. Was listening to Johnny Cash's "Hurt" and “Oy, To Ne Vecher”. Shed a tear or two as well.

pure... right from your soul

If I was to listen to these songs so early after the fight, I would probably be calling sick from work tomorrow! Props for turning it into a nice piece of writing!

im gonna get so many weaks for this..... fedor is overrated, has been for the past few years. yes hes an amazing fighter but all this p4p talk is taking it way too far. fedor did not look any different last night than he did in any of his other fights. he came with the same explosive looping combinations he always does, just his opponent didnt stand right in front of him like a punching bag. when he couldnt find his rythm he lost his confidence, which is probably a side effect of fighing cans for all these years. of course now people are gunna say that bigfoot is a top heavy wheight, which is funny cuz he almost lost to mike kyle and andre arlovski in his last two fights. also people say that size was the reason bigfoot won, every single guy in the tourny is huge except fedor so if thats the case then he never really stood a chance. what im trying to say is people need to get off fedors d*** and stop making excuses for him.

You my friend are the true definition of Joe Rogan's "meat head" fan statement. You are a follower and Dana is your leader. And Fedor lost confidence in that fight? Bullshit. Every fighter in the UFC would of given up or been KOed from that ground and pound he received. Fedor ****ing manned up and continued the fight, despite the ass whopping he received from a freak show of a man.



That's like a soldier going up against a tank, getting run over and blasted a few times with a tank shell. But something inside him, the warrior spirit, the I don't give a **** how big or strong you are attitude, comes into play and overcomes adversity.



Fedor was ready to go into that next round. That my friend is light years above confidence. That is ****ing feral. That is god-like. And thats the reason why Fedor is the greatest. He will take your best and still keep on going.



If anyones confidence was scarred it was Bigfoot. To dish out that kind of a beating and have the guy still there, conscious, trying to finish you, would kill it.

i hate dana white actually, and ulike u my opinon isnt based how much i like or hate any one, i just anylize fighters technique, somthing 95% of mma fans dont do. every one ranks fedor by his name and the names he beaten in the past, but the fact is he was the #1 heavy wheight when cro cop and nogera were top heavywheights. mma is a new sport and is constantly growing and the fighters now on average are alot better than they werre five years ago, and since pride fedor has not fought a single top heavy weight. when you break him down, hes not great at anything, which is why hes been losing in deffernt areas. that is why i think fedor is overrated and didnt start thinking that way after last night or even after his wurdum loss, i always knew he was overrated and i knew for a fact he would not win the heavywheight tourny. if your going to respond to this then dont just make another fedor love speech and come up with some facts to prove me wrong. you my freind are just another fedor **** sucker

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Good or bad feed back, I appreciate everyone's opinions =D

Fedor is the best MMArtist of all time. Forget about current rankings and age. Every fighter is different, Every fighter has a different way of training, a different set of skills and talents, a different physical makeup, and a different mindset. Some guys can last till they're in their 40's and still be effective, and some guys bodies or minds break down long before that. As of right now, nobodies body of work compares to Fedors, based on the circumstances and the best matchups that could have been made at that time. Of course the more modern day athletes are superior, that evolution can't be stopped, but when talking about the best of all time, it has to be relative.

im a fan of fedor, but in fairness he's been not impressive to me at all, againist brett rogers, brett hit him with good ground shots, arloski was gettin the better of him before his glass jaw let him down once again, werdum enough said, and now silvia, he got dominated in fairness, he swings wildly, no leg kicks, he is easy to cut or bruise, his takedowns are not great or defense, fedor to me is like an old tyson if he doesnt knock u out early he's fu-ked, people blame fedor promoters and all that but at the end of the day fedor is a grown man and theirs no one to blame but him self, fedor never progressed, stayed with the same team, training partners where never heard of, never went to new camps to learn things from other fighters and trainers, fedor is a victim of his own belief that he is an emperor and he is at the top and doesnt need to improve, to be a top fighter you have to progress and improve fight to fight or your time will be short lived, right now to dis date their has never been an heavyweight that u can say is the best their ever was, until someone comes along and goes true everybody then their is a case to say best ever, fedor was never dis machine that everyone thought, infairness the pride heavyweights are nowhere to be heard of now, and lesnar, mir leave it so to of the most over rated fighters ever to walk into the ring

@Enforcer.

Amen to that, as you said. We have to give Fedor a huge amount a respect for what he accomplished in MMA, but he was a victim of his own ego.

It isn't M1's fault for not giving him good fights and letting him fight less than top quality opponoents, HE chooses the people that will represent him, and to work for HIS best interest!!!!



If he doesn't like it then he can, terminate his involvement with them and choose somebody else. He didn't, so ultimately its his fault that these last yrs of his career hasn't taken him to the next level.



And his refusal to adapt, and to train with other camps and get new input has really flawed him as well. He should have been working out with the best strikers in the world, with the best wrestlers and bjj guys to develop but he has refused. And then you stagnate and the rest of the pack catches upwith you eventually.



Ever since the Arlovski fight i think he has looked very beatable, and beating people at their strenght is something his famous for.

But it isn't exactly a good strategy, and it won't work forever and it didn't.



I think although he has always been a very humble and respectful fighter, i think in his own way he bought into the hype of himself and thought that he was basically unbeatable. But his strategy has been basically no strategy, he goes in and wings wild loopin punches all the time.

That it has worked time and time again is testament to his toughness, terrific speed and power(because looping punches are the easiest punch to defend against, if you know what you are doing), and ground game.



But you MUST develop you game as a MMA fighter or you are toast!!!!!

Fedor worst enemy wasn't time or diminishing skill i think, it was his own EGO and refusal to adapt his training methods, partners, nutrition and starting to have specific gameplans for his opponents.



But it is sad to see such a great champ go out this way!!!!!

I hope the Reem takes home the show now!!!!

Interesting opinion, man you need to write pieces.

I agree with you, except for the fact that you claim to know where Fedors heart and mind are at. I can't make that claim either, but my guess would not be that it was his ego that led to his downfall, but simply the way he approaches the sport ie. his training methods. I think Fedor just trains and fights, and for the most part his team makes his accommodations and game plans ect. We heard Evgeni Kogan say after the fight he thinks if Fedor returns he will do alot of training in Holland, and he said this without having even talked to Fedor after his fight with Bigfoot first. That to me makes it clear that it is a decision his management makes not Fedor. All his focus is on training and fighting, and if he has a downfall, I think it was that he put too much trust in his management, and did not involve and invest himself more into other aspects of his craft. He has always been a fighter that looks at the sport as simply a job and himself as simply a sportsmen. His approach has its advantages ie. clear mind, calm demeanor, doens't put pressure on himself ect. but it also clearly has its disadvantages. I'm not trying to blame his management or team, because it is also up to him, but he should be able to put his complete trust in them and they should do their best to accomodate him. If he was with Greg Jacksons camp or ATT ect. beleive me he would have better training partners, dietitian ect. But obviously part of what made him special was his unuiqe way of traning and preparing for a fight, but every fighter has to evolve.

I didn't say "i know" where his mind are i said just as you just that i "THOUGHT" that he bought in to the hype of himself...



Thats my belief and the best explanations that i can come up with, thats fits with his decisions or lack of them...



He has the ultimate responability for his career, and no fighter should let ALL decisions of their career be by their manager.

Thats why people change managers and trainers/camp when they start to notice that they need to develop even more.



You might be right in your assesement that you think that he totally confided in the M1 management but i still "think"/ i don't claim to know(i may be wrong) that he basically thought that it has worked up until now, and it will work again.

@Ramiro you make some great points people talk about how great Fedor's character is but then ignoe his choice of management. I thought his management were the only problem but after the comments he made challenging Overeem when it was clear he was fighting in K1, thats when i realsied maybe Fedor isn't the guy his fan boys keep telling me he is. But people ignore these thing whenit comes to Fedor and jump on other fightrs for less.

Haha, maybe i will one day:))

For now i'm content on just letting people know my opinion here.



I may be wrong in what i'm stating but at least i'm sincere about it.

Good piece by the way, i enjoy reading other peoples articles on here.



As i said, i've never a huge Fedor fan but i respect for what he he has done, i just think that he stagnated and repeated the same mistakes over and over again. But he is a legend and should be respected as such.

Greatest of all time???



No, i don't think so, but the worlds no1 hw for almost a decade should be enough...

Nobody else has been able to stay on top for as long as Fedor.

Man what a fight.



Silva is a force to face fore anyone.



Fedor may want to get out just cause.



The man has a family, as your kids become older it becomes harder to live that life and maintain balance. Fedor trains humbly and the reasons?

Most likely so his family can have a normal life.



To be a champion now means facing the best science has to offer. Meal and supplement scheduling, rigorous training platforms and camp (champion sparring partners) training, you know what I mean.



Fedor is from the "old school". I thought he did great. Maybe a lot of you don't know but Silva is pretty much the same size as Lesnar on papper.



He has 3 blackbelts. 11 victories. Former elite champ. American Top Team. No chump folks.



In fact Lesnar and Bigfoot would be awesome. Lesnar would have to be in absolute top form to win. Top form.



Fedor may want to retire but can you blame him?



Do you know why Dana White hates M1 ?



Fedor set up part of the promotion to make money for himself. People hate him for it (not the other athletes they understand what he has done) why? He used his god given abilities to make money through fight marketing. All the Dana white propeganda made the fans snipe at him for it.



Good for him. A bet GSP thinks it was a great Idea.

Needs to learn BJJ, been saying this since 2006 and will take this to the grave

*sigh* Ya it would have helped if he learned some BJJ. You can only fight in a Black Belt's guard for so long.

He has been successful in BJJ black belt's guards for a decade. People don't seem to realize but Sambo is very similar to BJJ and he has the equivalent of a black belt. He looked good in Silva's guard Sat.

I'm no expert, but I would have t disagree 100%. He NEEDS to learn BJJ, at least defensively. They may appear to have a few similarities to people watching, but there is so much more to each sport, and when it comes to a ground game in MMA, BJJ or any close variation (doesn't have to be "Brazilian") is clearly the way to go.

Um sambo is a close equivalent. Obviously you don't know anything about it. He did great in silva s guard. He passed he pummeled. He also beat Arona, and nogeira who have great guards.



He had a 50 lb heavier blackbelt on him. Size matters when you start to get to remotely similar skill levels.



It was his guard he had trouble with but having a man that huge on you who is a black belt is tough. Silva is a top ten heavy weight. I would put him above Lesnar or mir.



In sambo you do a lot of groundwork. It's similar to Japanese jiujitsu and judo. The problem is he is a martial artist from the older ways. It's fine in your prime as we have seen from him. But once you face guys on scientific training regimes and all those sparring partners it's a new bag. Especially all the newer steroids and cycles that are hard to detect.



There is no need for him to change. You can't take away what he has done. If he can make money doing seminars, having promotion ownership etc good for him. A lot of these guys from brazil or Russia didn't have anything. They were talented fighters looking for a way out of poverty. Once they "grow up" and have families priorites change. I would give them more grief if they were destroying their family for their ego by never being around.



It their job I know but obviously Fedor is one of the smartest business man fighter out there so he doesn't have to. How many times would you want to see your dad's or spouses faces smashed in? It's a hard life folks Fedor will go down as one the best. Just let him be, your living heroes are people to with lives outside of ppv or Showtime.

Everyone needs to chill out about Fedor. In my book, Fedor is one of the, if not the TOUGHEST fighter in MMA. That being said however, I do not think he is the most skilled. I would've absolutely loved to see Fedor fight some of the top UFC guys while they were still in their prime. You can argue about him beating previous UFC champs all you want, he never beat any of them in their prime. It was great to see him fight Big Nog and Cro Cop in their prime, which proved to me of his skill as a fighter. But look at how those two fair against the latest and greatest fighters MMA has to offer. I think Fedor is past his prime now, and it's a shame we never got to see him fight more than a couple of top fighters while they were in their prime. I'm a Fedor fan, I just dont idolize him as the greatest fighter ever. I've thought for quite some time that Cain Velasquez would beat Fedor if they ever fought, and Fedor's last fight just solidified that even more in my mind. Much respect to Fedor if it is his last fight, it just makes me sad we didnt get to see him fight some bigger names before he left.

He beat Coleman in his prime the first time.

After 2 days when emotions down, I can give some thoughts about Fedor's loss.

1 Fedor is still tough. Look how much beating he took and almost submitted Big Foot. 45 pounds heavier Big Foot was on top on Fedor and could not finish him with ground and pound, choke and submission and he was already tired toward the end of the 2nd round. I would not bet on Cain if he was under Big Foot

2. Fedor has to realize that HW division is not what it used to be. Fighters are bigger and heavier with skills. Maybe, try to change his sparring partners, who are the same size as Fedor. Bring bigger guys, Shane Carwin was willing to come and train. More and more sparring.

3. Add new strategies and training methods to his regular routine. Go to Holland (Golden Glory) or other training camps in the world. Werdum is about that. By listening to Fedor's interviews, it is clear that he never changed his camp and methods.

4. Spend less time traveling for seminars and other promotions.



I guess, we all want him to come back. But it is his decision after all. If he retires, I would support it and thank for all those great moments.

If he doesn't change his training at this point then he should retire. I think he is too much of a home body to do so.

A blind person does a better job of picking out a porno then you guys pick fights.



Lets be honest here...I don't think Fedor would last a round even against Dos Santos. I didn't realize that Lowkicks website turned into Fedor.com.



Have any of you watched the growth of MMA? None of these Pride guys have come into new organizations and surpassed any expectations. If anything its almost been a bit of a let down. Gomi, Cro Cop, Fedor, Wand, Herring. I could go on but those are the ones that stand out at the moment.



Shogun and Jackson are about the only two with success since joining a more talented roster. Not that any of the guys listed are bad fighters, only the sport has grown that much in the last decade.

Your right about the sport growing, it's different, it has changed. But we can't deny his contributions to the game or any of those PRIDE legends you mentioned. They are from a different era then the fighters of today. It's like when Michael Jordan played for the Washington Wizards, he was way past his prime, and he wasn't the same great Michael Jordan we all remembered when he played for the Bulls.

Yah thats true, I just think its time some guys open their eyes and realize that this is a different sport then it was not even 5 years ago.



Forgot to mention Anderson Silva in there, but I think hes better in the Cage then he is in the ring...as well as constantly improving as a fighter.

It's more complicated than that. I train at a relson Gracie academy. The owner fights WEC (or did). The rules from pride are different. The steroid cycles are different. The politics are different. There have been rumors of scoring cheating among fighters. Also the way most of these people train they have to have super genes to have a long career. Look at fedors record. That's a lot of fights. More than most ufc guys will ever be in (unless they are in pride). You also forgot to mention Overeem who is the best heavyweight in the world. Bj Penn faught in pride, chuck Liddell, Lyoto machida, a lot more fighters than you seem to know. A lot went into k1 where the elite strikers go. Learn your history son. Nogeira brothers too. Tim Silvia. Etc



When did this turn into the Dana white site?