Poll: Should Ronda Rousey Dump Edmond Tarverdyan & Return?

Poll: Should Ronda Rousey Dump Edmond Tarverdyan & Return?

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The MMA world is in disarray following Ronda Rousey’s 48-second TKO loss to Amanda Nunes (highlights here) in the main event of last night’s (Fri., December 30, 2017) UFC 207 from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, her second straight stoppage loss.

Immediately after the fight, many speculated we had seen the last of Rousey inside the Octagon and many more suggested she should outright retire.

Most believe Rousey’s recent failures can be mostly attributed to her longtime coach Edmond Tarverdyan, who took an Olympic medalist judoka and tried to make her into a boxer facing the most dangerous female strikers in the world. Tarverdyan has been raked over the coals by nearly everyone, most notably by Rousey’s own mother and also by Nunes after the fight. ‘Rowdy’┬áseemed to have fallen in love with her hands when she knocked out Bethe Correia to rousing applause at 2015’s UFC 190, but the tables have clearly turned and it’s tough to decipher if her problems could even be fixed.

However, Rousey’s talent didn’t just disappear, and while she’s got nothing left to prove, the ultra-competitive grappler most likely want to go out like she has after the dust settles. If she does ultimately decide to fighting, there’s little doubt she has to┬ádump Tarverdyan and reinvent herself at a new camp, where she could have a possibility at success. She may just be done fighting, however.

What do you think?

  • Bulgarian Squat

    I don’t think it was much his problem, ronda lost that fight long before it started

  • aFriendlyAgenda

    No thanks
    They can keep each other and head down hollywood way together

  • bananaboy

    dana white :ronda rousey was never my friend…

  • Cracka Ass Cracka

    The world should dump Edmond

    • wapitihunter

      What?

  • WhiteBreadLA

    Who the hell is Edmund? A former boxing or UFC champ? NO! He is a nobody! If Rhonda had gotten a REAL boxer to train her, say Oscar Dela Hoya or Floyd May, she would of been better prepared. She may be smart but she was really stupid to ever listen to that idiot try and make her a boxer. Well, off to huge paydays in the WWE. Rhondas brand is secure. She, like Brock Lesnar, are great wresters and the punches are fake in the WWE.

    • Juan Diablo

      Her brand is far from secure. Why would the WWE want her now that she isn’t invincible? She’s going to live well on the money she has, but income outside of MMA has all but dried up

      • WhiteBreadLA

        Brock Lesnar! Did you read what I wrote? Brock lost in much the same way, twice, yet he is a monster in WWE. Rhonda is a world-class judokan, and NONE of these defeats would of happened had Rhonda gotten them on the canvas. Unfortunately for Brock and Rhonda, they ain’t boxers and had no defense. Watch Expendables 3 and tell me she isn’t marketable. She probably will be the first fighter in WWE to fight the men too. And the punches ain’t real in WWE.

        • Juan Diablo

          I read what u wrote Hoss and I stand by my reply. I saw Expendables 3 bruh, and she did nothing marketable in that movie… a movie that came out years ago when she was still undefeated by the way. Did you hear about the Roadhouse movie that got scrapped after Holly put her down for a nap? Who cares if she fought men in the WWE lol ur girl is done in mainstream media, deny all you want tho I don’t care lol

          • WhiteBreadLA

            I’ll stand by what I said because it didn’t hurt Brock Lesnar that he lost. He’s the biggest thing in WWE and they’ve already made a huge offer Ronda Rousey. Check back with me in about 6 months maybe a year and I guarantee you that Rondo will be a huge success because she already appeared there and they loved her. You don’t know the WWE crowd like I do I grew up in the south wrestling is huge. And she has great Judo skills undeniably, and she will be a big hit in wrestling. And the punches aren’t real so she doesn’t have to worry about that. Who cares if she’s done in the mainstream she’s still going to make millions. Don’t be a jealous hater.

          • jvliv

            I have to agree. After her movie deals being scrapped,(sorry I disagree with you, she is a horrible actress) her best bet will be WWE if she still likes showbiz.(We all know WWE is not real sport, just a showbiz). Its fake, pre-arranged, and she can make a nice “face” then turn “heel”, and make good money out of it while not getting her brains beat to a pulp like in MMA or boxing would. Hey! maybe a run at WWE will help her polish her acting skills for the future.

        • David McClintock

          She is marketable as long as she remains the UFC Champion…

    • Lobo Rojo

      An mma-oriented boxing coach would serve her better than getting coached by someone who doesn’t comprehend the kicking and takedown aspects of mma.

    • David McClintock

      How is she going to get huge pay days in the WWE lol

  • ShawnKarr

    Edmund is a douche, no doubt.
    But I find it funny people are using home as a scape goat for her losses. Freddie Roach could’ve coached her and it wouldn’t have made a difference.
    Rousey was simply exposed, out classed by a superior fighter.

    • Jean Pierre Papin

      A superior puncher. My take was that she tried to punch with Nunes first, whereas she should have gone for a clinch and take down and I didn’t see any initiative to that at all. She ate a few devestating punches in the process and it was game over. That, in my mind, is the fault of her coaching crew. They gave her the wrong plan and tactics. She should have focused on her strength and then used punching as an adjunct once she has control of the body on the ground. This idea that going to ground is cowardly has existed too long in MMA. GSP is the perfect example. He used his ground game to wear other down, though he also had a good punching game. Ronda needed to realize she doesn’t have a punching game and punching should only be used when she has control. Coaching fault there, no one else’s.

      • Juan Diablo

        Great post. Instead of bringing in an Olympic boxer to work with her on her boxing they should have brought in wrestlers to install the double leg take down. Her striking was never gonna catch up to Nunes’, so they should have went the other direction and tested Amanda’s ground game. I think Ronda loses either way, but at least on the ground she has a chance to get a submission in a scramble

        • Toxic Waste

          No one is saying to catch up Nunes in striking, she didnt even had the basic defensive shit ( thanks edmund ).

          • Juan Diablo

            I know, that’s why I said in my post that catching up to Nunes striking was never going to happen. Did you reply to the wrong person maybe?

        • Jean Pierre Papin

          If she didn’t eat two really hard and direct punches, she might have stood a chance as you say, but she did eat them and it was game over. Has she made a statement yet?

        • Red4Life

          I think she is too far behind to learn wrestling when her whole life has been to initiate a clinch and takedown from a judo stance and way of thinking. Ronda isnt as good as people think. The new female weight class was so suited to her and she reigned when the calibre of opponent was well below standard and now the other fighters have evolved and improved and she just hasnt. All she really had was to initiate a clinch and take it straight into a submission as thats the main way to make points in judo.
          She should retire and live the comfortable life of a celebrity!

      • Lobo Rojo

        Rousey’s game is heavily dependent on the clinch, and the throwing punches, the jab in particular, is generally the best way to initiate a clinch. She doesn’t need to be great at throwing punches, but she needs to be able to get in close without her head being such an easy target that she’s guaranteed to get rocked.

        • Jean Pierre Papin

          I agree, but it didn’t look like she was going for this at all and wanted to duke it out instead. Proved to be a very bad strategy.

          • Lobo Rojo

            Looked to me like she was fishing for the clinch.

      • wapitihunter

        You have to get close enough for a takedown and to apply an arm bar. She tried to take Holms down but couldn’t. She never got close enough to get a chance for a takedown with Amanda. Holly and Amanda had her number. Holms made her look silly. Embarrassed her. And hurt her. Amanda beat the crap out of her.
        EVERYONE’S time comes.

      • David McClintock

        She tried to box with Nunes right away, just like you said. But My take was that Nune was expecting a superior takedown game and seems a little surprised. Nunes gets this look on her face that kinda says “alright, you wanna go box with me? Time to be dispatched”

        Her standup did not look intended to transition into the takedown. She just stood toe to toe and boxed. Very bizarre.

        She needs to change camps or retire. I’m wondering if she will finally switch after Travis Brown gets KO’d by Derick Lewis.

    • james

      It depends. I have been saying for years she should train Sambo mixed with heavy power kicks people normally worry about getting take down from.

      Of coarse being dazed by being punched is a danger there which brings me to she don’t spar enough with moderate headstrikes. She obviously has that old Lesnar twinkle when she get hit.

      Defensive foot work and Sambo striking push kicks, side kick heavy. She is never going to be a good boxer. But she should have learned to make them whiff and clinch or grab a leg.

    • Juan Diablo

      Bullshit, Roach would have told her straight out that she was could never learn to box at this point. He would have worked on defensive boxing to avoid shots with her as opposed to the offensive boxing with sht mechanics that Edmond gave her. Shame on you for saying Roach couldn’t do better

    • David McClintock

      Wrong.

      Any fighter with superior ground game can learn to use striking to implement ground game and this was not effectively taught to her. Her coaches plan was “make her miss” yet she was taught no defensive head movement.

      Basic defensive boxing head movement is taught with the rope method (dating back to ancient Greece and Rome) and then,foremost, sparring. hundreds of hours are spent on defensive head movement in true boxing camps. Yet – there is no evidence either was taught in her camps. Every video showed her “hitting the mitts” and her coaches returns were pathetically off, intentionally designed not to punish her. The T-shirt is the only thing honest about him.

      Her coach is a proven failure. Freddie Roach is a proven success. So is Richard Perez, Mike Winklejohn and Dwayne Ludwig. I can see the difference immediately from the training videos.

      I also trained at a kickboxing gym in college run by the mafia (unknown to me until later). The instructor was hardcore former pro-kickboxer. He would use the mitts correctly by swinging back forcing head movement and blocks from all angles. If you failed you were punished. Her coach did nothing of the sort. He avoided “punishment” and lied to her. Every read a comment from a knowledgeable coach or MMA fan, they all notice it.

      You didn’t notice it, because A) You are not knowledgeable and B) You just don’t like her.

  • Bill Wolf

    The damage is done.

    Ronda Rousey would be smart to retire and have children while she can. Taking years to unlearn the bad skills Edmond Tarverdyan taught her and learn good striking skills instead would be a poor use of the time remaining on her biological clock.

    • Louis Castro

      Sexist as fuck

      • David McClintock

        It’s not sexist and RR was contemplating having children. Maybe you should get your facts straight.. Mr. parrot.

        • Louis Castro

          Have kids while she still can? As if she’s some old lady with her biological clock running out? She’s not even 30. There’s tons of time to redeem her mma career and still have kids

          • David McClintock

            MOST women’s eggs, along with their youthful looks.. tend to dry up around 30. Delaying pregnancy increases risks and complications. Since most women in history had kids during teens and 20’s, scientists even don’t know what kind of collective effect 30’s births have on future generations of humans if any ….

            After her losses .. She would need at least 2 years of fixing Edmonds mess w her new coach .. re tuning and rope climber fights just to contend for the title .. then 2 years of defense .. than retire. That puts her at 33. Assuming she can find an “acceptable” husband that can measure up to Brown if he’s not around (assuming he wants her dried up eggs and faded beauty lol) her window is allot shorter than you’d think.

            Women’s beauty has a shelf life. Not sexism just biological fact.

            Look at how attractive Rhonda was in Ronda Rousey vs Sarah D’Alelio … and tell me if that’s even the same person lol.

          • Louis Castro

            Not sure what her looks have to do with this but most women, especially those who are in extremely good health, can have children well into their thirties without issue

          • David McClintock

            Just because they can (and many can’t, need science to intervene etc.) doesn’t mean they should. People have this lie in their heads women can put off marriage and children because Hollywood said so …

          • Red4Life

            You’re hilarious David!

  • Kris-tyahn

    She can’t become a world class striker in a few years and since Rousey already stated before this fight vs. Nunes that this would be one of her last fights, she didn’t have plans to stick around for long anyway. Time to retire, bc if she fights anyone with decent striking with decent power, Rousey LOSES!

    • David McClintock

      Wrong.

      She can transition into ground game like Damien Maia or KK. She needs to switch camps or retire.

  • NEC9540

    The way she was hit by Holms and Nunes in those two very short fights is the equivalent to the damage Ali (metaphor here) took in all his fights. She could literally die next time she steps into the octagon. Retire…..and have the commission strip that Tarverdyan’s license. He is a shady dude with a shady past.

    • Kevin Adams

      Maybe the dumbest thing I’ve read today.

  • Gerald

    It’s hard to tell in a fight this short what the game plan was and whether she actually even tried to execute it or did she just freeze the first time she got hit. The shock of that first punch could have been such a jarring reminder of the Holm fight that she might have cracked and let all prep fly out the window. It’s hard to believe that any coach would have told her to stand in the pocket with Nunes and trade blows. Ronda looked like she panicked after the first punch and then just started swinging. The fact is that the moment you get clipped your first thought has to be staying awake and you go hardcore defensive trying to slip the punches and circle away from the power of your opponent. None of that happened. If Tarverdyan genuinely tried to have Ronda stand toe to toe with Holm and Nunes he should never be able to coach again…if Ronda was a victim of her own hubris and believed the hype she was invincible then no coach in the world could have saved her from these beatdowns…and she should consider herself lucky she never faced Cyborg. We would have been talking about one more death in 2016.

  • Kevin Adams

    Her game plan needs to be the grappling equivalent of “Sprawl and Brawl.” Good striking defense, close the distance, get the fight to the ground and go to work. She’s a world class Judoka, she will never be a world class boxer – yet there are world class boxers in the Women’s division. Being convinced that her boxing is “good” is the equivalent of someone being convinced that a Ponzi scheme is a good investment – it sucks that they got scammed, but ultimately it was their fault for not doing the research. With the right camp Ronda can challenge for the title again, but she’s going to need to swallow her pride and grow the eff up. Even then, the division is evolving, and she’ll never be as dominant as she once was.

    • Skyrocketinsight Tim

      What should of happen and this is partly Ronda Rousey’s fault is she should have taken Floyd Mayweather up on him offering to tutor her in boxing. Floyd is probably the best ever on the defensive end of boxing. This would have at least enabled Ronda to get in closer to Nunes and do her thing with the arm bar. She could still be tops in womens MMA if she gets some defensive skills in there.

  • Healthdude

    Ronda may be done in the Octagon, but she still has a bright future in movies (Expendables 4 maybe)??? I’ll keep plopping down my $6 at the local AMC Theater to see her in choreographed fights… Win or lose, Ronda – You rock!!!

  • jvliv

    What she needs is a good psychologist, therapy of some kind. That chick is spoiled goods. Mentally, she is weak. She got enough money to walk out, assuming she knows how to invest it. Use that money to get some much needed mental health. In terms of a movie career…I believe those possibilities were tied to her dominant fighter persona, to the “baddest woman of the planet” moniker. Notice that both her 2016 projects were suddenly suspended indefinitely after her loss to Holm. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Good luck to her though. Hope she never fights again for her own good.

  • r Negoro

    Ronda can still bounce back from this. She could have tried to dodge nunez with footwork amd and let nunez tire. Nunez comes on strong on the first few rounds and runs out of stamina.
    Ronda is a great grappler, why make her into a boxer?
    There’s a few techniques that a former muaythai champ coulda taught ronda, and one of them is the teep. Nunez likes to advance and hit with her hands, why not teep her to keep her distance.

  • Louis Castro

    I say she moved out to Stockton and joins the diaz’ boxing camp. She’s trained grappling with them before, seems like they get along. And Richard Perez seemed to do a hell of a job turning two bjj black belts into boxers.

    • David McClintock

      Perez would be a superior choice. No doubt. However she needs a camp that’s crafted around BJJ strategies. Something like Maia in Brazil or or KK in Russia ..where the gameplans are specifically crafted to transition into the ground game. That’s nuts she stayed with her coach after getting picked apart by Holly Holm much less Nunes .. If she doesn’t leave she needs to retire. I think her last chance .. will be watching Brown get KO’d by the black beast.. I just saw they are fighting soon.. no way Brown wins ..

      • Louis Castro

        For me, Brown is a coin toss. Great power and great combos, but like many heavyweights, he can get caught and KO’d… unfortunately, he has the same coach as his beau. As far as Ronda, I worry that the psychological damage might be beyond repair. She clearly had trouble coping with the Holm defeat. She rescheduled her comeback twice for dubious reasons. I don’t see how she comes back mentally from a second loss

  • Terrycan

    Rousey was hurt the very first punch of the fight! coaching had absolutely nothing to do with that. Everyone that follows saw the promo and how hard she was training, its not like her coach told her to start blocking punches with her face. Just be realistic. She didn’t show up! She should have taken a primer fight after a 13 month lay off.. You shouldn’t just come back after a year and face a dangerous world champion. She has never been hit like that before…

    • David McClintock

      Wrong.

      Your making excuses for her. Watch her training videos and listen to the recording in the cage. Her coach had everything to do with it. He’s a scumbag, hustler and his game plan sucked and cost me $$$$ at the casino.

      She bull rushed forward, stood flat footed, then centerlined directly in front of Nunes no head movement no defense no transition into ground game was evident

      His plan? 2D boxing against one of the best strikers in the division. “Make her miss” Ha !

  • LLaddwr

    Nah, she’s still near the top of the division she created. Everybody loses, Conor, Georges, Cain, Aldo, Barao, etc. Soon enough you can add Khabib. Its inevitable in combat. What defines a true fighter, in the cage or on the street, is that you pick yourself up and live to fight another day (and you can always use revenge as a great motivator). As for Edmund, they’ve worked well together for a long time, I’ve no idea whether she should change that. I think she should carry on, and put some serious effort into improving her movement (don’t be there to be punched in the mush), mix in some damn kicks for gods sake, and refocus on the judoka/grappling angle.

  • wapitihunter

    Edmond got her there. He can’t control what goes on in the Cage. Rhonda has been in enough fights to know what is going on and has trained with other people in preparation. It’s Rhonda’s responsibility to react to what happens in the fight. Everyone can be beaten.

    • David McClintock

      Got her where? KO’d twice? I agree.

      • wapitihunter

        Dumbass

  • David McClintock

    Her coach neglected her Judo and overall ground game.

    If she get it back .. and learn to box/strike like Khabib Nurmagomedov and Demian Maia …. where the striking is designed to take the opponent to the ground .. she would be Champion again ….

    She has to dump this guy ..