Lowkick.com Mass Debate: The Greatest Of All Time

Posted on May 8, 2013, 03:15 PM by Rory Kernaghan
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A lot of people have a different view on who is the greatest fighter of all time, this was shown quite vividly by the storm of comments following my recent poll about the subject. Some people feel that the Anderson Silva reigns supreme, where others feel that Fedor holds the title and then there were some who looked back to the days of Chuck Liddell, Royce Gracie and even Mark Coleman.

In light of the huge amount of variation in peoples views,  I've decided to open the flood gates to the users of Lowkick.com.The Mass Debate will allow you, the awesome Lowkick.com users, to have your argument put forward in the first article of the series. Here are some of the guidelines I would like you to follow:

1. Leave your argument in the comments section.

2. Keep it PG-13 (no swearing).

3. Give your argument a title e.g 'Why Saku Is The Boss'.

4. Make the argument no more than 100 words long.

If you'd like to use a comment that you have already posted on another thread then just copy and paste it, but don't steal anyone else's work please. The end article will feature arguments from your's truly and some of the other usual suspects as well as some of the best of your arguments. Get involved and have your say in Lowkick.com's Mass Debate!


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  • KeithFarrell
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    It used to be Fedor and was for a long time but Anderson Silva has taken his spot as the G.O.A.T.

    Fedor may have been unbeaten for 10 years but I think Anderson's 16 wins streak in the UFC is even more impressive, facing non-stop killers, especially the last couple of years.

    I also think finishing is a big part of it. Fedor's biggest wins, Nog and Fedor were all-time great performances but not finishes even though he is a strong finisher himself but all of Anderson's best wins are by finishes, from every position.

    I just think the fact that Anderson is older and has a longer career than Fedor did but is showing greater longevity, not slowing down at the end, is a big factor.

    It is just hard to ignore that Fedor got brutally beaten 3 times in a row and with that, even though it was at his end, I struggle to put him in front of Silva.

    Unless GSP surprises us and continues to fight for many years and keeps his dominance or moves up and beats Silva, I think The Spider will be recognised widely as the G.O.A.T for many years to come with perhaps Jon Jones taking the crown eventually.

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  • Akordas
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    More when 200 words...

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  • Ringo
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    For me it will be Fedor. He always fought bigger guys, winning fights with his techniqe not because he had a longer reach or outweighted them. And the most important factor for me is that he won the fight at their own style. The fight with Big Nog for example, winning by dominating Big Nog in the guard, or the fight with Crocop. Dominating him in the stand up.

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  • toxic
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    I dont think you can call A.S "the greatest of all times" because he fights in the weakest division in the UFC with a Big reach and size advantage. If he would have proved himself at LHW it would be another thing, but A.S doesnt like disadvantages.He is easily the best MW of all times though.
    IF A.S would step up and fight Jones and get a W I would call him the GOAT. but he would Never dare...
    Jones also walks in with reach and size advantage and if he doesnt make a run at HW he will not be more than best LHW of all times.
    GSP on the other hand fights top notch competition in every fight and he is fighting in the Most talent stacked division in the UFC. Every time you think he cleaned out WW division, new top WW competition appears.
    GSP doesnt go in with advantages but with hard work and a good game plan.
    Fedor was the greatest but kind of lost it when losing to Werdum and big foot and finally getting knocked out by Henderson.
    so for Now I would say GSP is the GOAT...

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  • x murderer
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    forrest griffin used to be LHW champ. A.S. played with this guy. if anything he looked even better at LHW...so far. but yes, he's a big middleweight.

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  • Ringo
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    And also Fedor was one of the first fighters that was well versed in different area's: striking, takedowns/wrestling, GnP and BJJ while most of the fighters at that time only excelled in 1 or 2 of those area's.

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  • KeithFarrell
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    How many of the big guys Fedor beat were really that good? Cro Cop and Nog are roughly the same size as him (back then anyway) and he fought quite a few guys who weren't real heavyweights (Linland, Henderson, Coleman, Randleman, Monson).

    I know Fedor isn't a big heavyweight but it's not like he was beating big guys who actually had skill like Brock, JDS, Overeem, Struve etc.

    When he did face bigger heavyweight with super skill in Bigfoot and Werdum, he got finished.

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  • KeithFarrell
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    and your giving props to Fedor for the exact same thing Anderson does.

    Anderon submitted all-time great grappler Travis Lutter.
    Anderson submitted Chael while he was in one of Chael's most dominant wrestling positions.
    He knocked out one of MMA's best strikers in Vitor Belfort.
    Hit a switch and pounded out Marquardt who was hyped for his technical grappling.

    If Anderson isn't beating you at your own game, he is bored with you and embarassing you or finishing you with a spectacular finish.

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  • Dabs
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    The Spider - NO DOUBT!!

    Anderson - Granite chin, precision striking, good jits, good TDD, great person, beaten the best in his division time and time again, went up in weight and took out dangerous guys. Willing to fight ANYONE. Beaten adversity in rocky moments and has defied his age. He could possibly beat Jon Jones who is muuuuch bigger. Anybody who knows fighting know Silva has a chance against him. If Jones carries on running through the rest for the next few years he will be next.

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  • Ringo
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    @keith

    Anderson is great and the things u point out are true. But I cannot forget the time when he fought Damian Maia and Thales Leites. If Fedor was in his shoes he would jump into their guard and play the game. He had no fear of losing. While Anderson look liked he was in a dancing contest. Nobody can denie the things that Anderson has accomplished in the cage. I am not saying that.

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  • mauromina
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    I forgot how chael was never submitted in his life before AS did!!
    i put it like this... AS didnt went to Maias or Leites guard. Fedor went on Big Nogs guard and tried to land head kicks against Crocop. and ultimately got submitted by Werdum for his crazyness.
    On teh point that who fought most on their opponents strengths i give to Fedor by 1st rd KO

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  • Evan Holober
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    The Leites fight was nothing like a dancing contest (a seemingly common thought). Leites literally fell over half the time Anderson hit him. He looked like he had been beaten down by a mob of people at the end of the fight.

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  • cyren16
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    The Cote fight was bad too.

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  • UnderdogGreatness
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    @Evan: Unlike a lot of the Silva haters on this site, you've actually watched Silva/Leites.

    Some of those Fedor fans on this site are like the Tim Tebow lunatics, they're just out of touch with reality.

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  • falcon4917
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    I think Fedor is a great for sure but although he fought bigger and longer fighters they were far inferior to the crop thats out their now. I think Anderson is the easy choice and Fedor is certainly next in line. I feel GSP is the greatest athlete MMA has ever known and if fighting was all about points nobody can out point the guy but He is not in the same class of "fighter" as Anderson, Jones, Fedor, Aldo etc. I simply can't put Gracies up here as all got humiliated by Sakuraba and Royce even cheated for his fight. Royce may have been best in UFC but hardly the world.

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  • Akordas
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    GSP for me. Always defended belt against top 5 guys, cleaned out 3 generations, fights in the toughest division, he outwrestled wrestlers, never ducked a fight, every time he fights I put my money against him and lost my moneys. He is not talented but hard worker. Can't wait him to lose

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  • KeithFarrell
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    wow gave you a sharp before I read your last two sentences, wish I could take it back.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to be as great as GSP is without having super talent and for some reason you have hate in your life and are desperate to see someone fail, well unlucky for you you've chose the worse person for waiting to see them lose.

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  • Akordas
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    GSP is the only guy who fought only top 5 guys in title defences, let say Fedor, he had only 3 pride hw defences, how thats makes him even close to GSP?

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  • Evan Holober
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    Hey, he's just stating he doesn't like him. I thought it was hella sharp that he still gives credence to his accomplishments while disliking him.

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  • KeithFarrell
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    He can dislike him if he wants but let's be honest, saying GSO has no talent is crazy

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  • Kevin
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    Anderson's ability to embarrass great fighters puts him a solid #1.
    GSP's work ethic appears to be unprecedented, and although being unable to finish leaves him at #2

    Jones will be the next G.O.A.T after he completes his sweep of the LHW division and moves up to HW, where I believe he could be a champion as well.

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  • Jack N. Meoff
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    < Fedor Emelianenko >

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  • wpgshootr
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    Spider #1
    GSP #2

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  • akieyugames
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    no no no no...meathead mittrione should be #1

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  • UnderdogGreatness
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    It's between two of my favorite fighters of all time: Anderson Silva and Royce Gracie. Advantage Silva.

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  • enjoylife321
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    George St Pierre-A proven champion inside and outside the cage

    At 24-2-0 GSP will go down as the best mixed martial artist in history. GSP has defeated the likes of BJ Penn, Nick Diaz, Sean Sherk, Matt Hughes. GSP has finished more than half of his opponents by either KO or submission victory, seven of his opponents being finished in the first round. While noone is disputing the greats of Royce Gracie, Fedor Emelianenko & Anderson Silva, it’s GSP’s humility and respect for opponents and overcoming adversity through injury that is most impressive. GSP has also avenged his only two losses.

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  • Rory Kernaghan
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    nice job

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  • Evan Holober
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    So many good points. I'll highlight the one that seems to be forgotten by most, his ability to fight through adversity. He fought the last round against Alves on basically one leg as he tore his groin at the begninning of the 4th. He fought most of the fight with Jake Shields half blind because of a well placed finger early in the second.

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  • AJY
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    If judging fighting is strictly a numbers game you may have a point with GSP. Theres more to fighting than that imo. Listing GSP's finishes, really doesn't do much for folks that have watched alot of his fights. So many greats fight injured,i assume the majority of them do, and most take more chances in the ring than George, look at Silva getting punched in the face by Sonnen for 5 rounds before finishing him. Coming back from adversity indeed.
    He's a great guy, a role model ,honourable and humble even with his years of dominance over the WW division. I do like em as a person ofcourse.

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  • Evan Holober
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    More than 10 people have stopped Chael, mostly by sub. Most do fight injured. Most don't dominate top 5 guys while being injured. Anderson sure didn't.

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  • AJY
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    no

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  • kungfurule
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    Most dominant fighter AS, hardest working GSP most impressive win streak Fedor or Baroa but to me 'greatest' means who has the biggest balls, B J Penn wins hands down. As even Anderson Silva said "BJ Penn is the greatest fighter of all time". Hell he even fought Lyota Machida.

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  • wpgshootr
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    Conduct unbecoming of a champion excludes bj from the list; don't whine and cry when you lose convincingly, show some class ala GSP and move forward. BTW Royce Gracie's balls would crush bj.

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  • timbo613
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    The Greatest of all time title belong's to Anderson Silva at the moment, but my only other argument to that is Jon Jones has with in a matter of two year's has put himself in a position to surpass Silva's mystic and eventually his record. I know that at the present moment Silva's has 14 consecutive title defenses and Jones only has 5. However the level of competition Jones has faced is by far on another level than 3/4 of the fighter's Silva has stopped. The way Jon Jones destroyed Chael Sonnen made me believe the only way we can determine who truly is the greatest fighter of all time to date is a Anderson Silva VS Jon Jones super fight. I'm in no way not giving credit to guy's like Royce Gracie, Randy Couture, GSP or even Fedor, I'm just following the stat's and the stat's are saying ANDERSON SILVA VS JON JONES!!

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  • N.C.
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    Greatest is Anderson Silva. I think he's passed Fedor in accomplishments now.

    But if the question was most important MMA fighter I'd go with Frank Shamrock. You have to be a serious old school fan to know why. Back in the early UFC and No holds barred. It was like the movie blood sport. Guys went in as "boxers, BBJ, Sumo, Greco wrestling, thai.." etc etc.

    The Frank much more then Ken was a MMA stylist and was the very first fighter to be named P4P king of MMA. He also had stand up, wrestling and submissions. The total package. He also was one of the first fighters to train like a athlete. Not just go to karate class 3 times a week. He was the first true MMA fighter in MMA. Until Frank Shamrock all the fighters represented a style. Frank represented what MMA should be.

    Then he got into a fight with Dana and Dana write the shamrocks out of MMA history.

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  • David Saucier
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    amen

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  • KeithFarrell
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    I think Royce is 10x more important than Frank and most people in fact.

    If your going on importance, there is no one more important than Royce and his display of BJJ.

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  • Dabs
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    There is a conspiracy where they won't let me sharp your comment!! The UFC must be secretly sponsoring this site....Anton??? ;)

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  • N.C.
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    I want to say Royce but he was only picked because he was the runt of the litter. The Smallest gracie to prove how effective BJJ was. The first 2 UFC's were basically BJJ infomercials.

    The drew straws to select Royce. If the family decided to not risk it. Royce would've never been in UFC. You could've interchanged any of the gracies in UFC1 and they would've won. However, there was only ONE Frank Shamrock and not Ken or Bas or Coleman or Couture could do what Frank could do as well as Frank could.

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  • wpgshootr
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    Amen

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  • wpgshootr
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    Amen

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  • Evan Holober
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    They'd have Royler do it if it was the runt. Bas has a winning record against Frank, and tried to fight him before both retired in the UFC.

    Imo, neither would be in the greatest conversation. But certainly both are pioneers.

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  • BeLikeWater
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    Bruce Lee!

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  • lowstyle
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    Silva...For Now 1)Spider 2)GSP 3) Fedor 4) Jones 5) BJ
    Both Silva and GSP have dominated their divisions, but Silva has some LHW fights, more impressive finishes, and has never lost in the UFC. I know GSP avenged his two losses, but they still happened. It's possible that Jones clears out LHW, moves up to HW and wins that belt. At that point I will go with Jones as the GOAT.

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  • mcg1598
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    Bob sapp, Kimbo slice, butterbean and tank abbott top 4 ever

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  • Evan Holober
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    What, no Cabbage?

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  • SMB
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    Fedor for me. Was great in the cage and out side of it. Classy and always respectful. That should also be accounted for. undersized in the best organisation back then and he still beat the competition.s
    and ppl, what about bas rutten, what ur outtake on him? ended his career with the ufc belt (except his last fight) lost 2 fights to inexperience and learnt from those mistakes. never got into the same problem twice..

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  • highlife
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    Fedor hands down ,with soccer kicks and knees to the head on the floor ....bjj was not a factor then and it showed ,the fights were explosive and exciting...no boring fighters Fedor was a beast and beat everyone who came at him until he was past his prime.

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  • AJY
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    "who's the all time great?" is a subjective question and it's such a young sport. And as the sport is evolving so fast, the talent level will only rise in the next few years when the question is asked again and people question these top fighters win streaks vs quality of current opponents at the time. I guess the better title would be "who's the best so far?"
    I like to look at fighters at thier very best, and judge them in thier prime. Idc if Ali, Tyson, Jones Jr, Fedor,Coture all ended on losses, almost every fighter does. History doesn't judge these people by thier worst performances.
    As the overall best technical skill and consistency it's obvious to me (and most others) A.Silva is number 1. He's done things in the ring that people didn't think they would see before him, he clowns people at will, making pro fighters look like amateurs.
    The rest of the list is easier to break down by weight class:
    LW: BJ is high up there with silva on the all time list skill wise. the mix of boxing,tdd, bjj is still some of the best we've seen.
    WW: GSP for consistency, and solid skills in every aspect of fighting with no weakness anywhere (I'd point out silva's lack of wrestling def, bj's cardio and lack of kicks/muay thai).
    LH: LIddel in his prime I'd say was most dominant.
    HW: Fedor was a beast in his prime (no one throws a power punch like that guy, he tried to actually punch thru people) amazing subs and wrestling, fighting bigger opponents and the 10 yr (?) unbeaten streak.

    I left out the rising stars, Aldo,Pettis,Benson, Mc Donald, Jones. They will be on the list in a few years, and are the future of the sport imo.

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    The Last Emperor and GSP.

    It is always hard to compare the early years with the modern ones because of how much the game has evolved into the art of MMA and also because of different organisations having different champions and such. That is why I have put 2 selections. Fedor and GSP. One from the old school and one from the new school.

    If I had to choose between the two I have to go with Fedor, but the comments highlighting GSP's calibre of opponents hold serious weight.

    Fedor was a true warrior who was perhaps the most humble fighter in victory and most gracious in defeat, even more so than GSP IMO, but Silva, Penn, Gracie, and others all have good arguments as well articulated by some on here. Jonny toe-bones Jones could eclipse them all but a few others are Aldo (first man to beat Edgar at equal size, something many bigger LWs couldn't) and is fighting world class fighters just like GSP has been, and it doesn't take long for the MMA landscape to change: (we all watched Jon Jones rapid ascent to stardom and it's very likely in a few years we'll be discussing as of now, unheard names in MMA circles), and there's a plethora of world class fighters in most divisions any of which can go on a tear and bring themselves into this debate.

    And 100 words is not enough for wafflers like us lol.

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  • azzkika
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    Keith: Check out this post of yours about GSP on another thread very recently then read your opening post on this one lol.

    http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/welterweight_division_update_how_much_longer_will_gsp_be_the_welterweight_champion_298525

    On the link you say 3 fights and GSP is by far the greatest of all time, yet here you say mostly about Fedor and Silva and GSP has to fight many more years or beat Silva.

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