Should Jon Jones rank ahead of GSP after St-Pierre's dominant victory at UFC 158?

Posted on March 20, 2013, 06:28 PM by Mike Drahota
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UFC 158 again showed us that Georges St-Pierre is a dominant wrestler who implements his gameplan to effectively neutralize any perceived advantage that an opponent may have. While he used this strategy to thoroughly dominant Nick Diaz, the outcome may have ended up costing GSP more than it truly gained for him.

St-Pierre is behind UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Jon Jones in the pound-for-pound rankings. It would seem that it would be very tough to sit at #3 (P4P) after dominating a #3 ranked contender in Diaz for five rounds.

Perhaps fans and media alike are beginning to grow tired of GSP’s predictable act. There’s no doubt that he’s faced top competition throughout his reign at welterweight, and that competition seems to be the toughest it’s ever been. Let’s take a look at the possible reasons Jon Jones passed Georges St-Pierre as the second fiddle to Anderson Silva’s long-held no. 1 spot.

GSP, although facing top-flight 170 lb. fighters all throughout his title run, has not quite faced off against the competition that Jon Jones has. In a short span of time dating back to his first championship win versus Shogun Rua in early 2011, Jones has bested an incredible five former UFC Light Heavyweight champions in a row. That’s a feat not likely to be duplicated soon, if ever.

While GSP set the record for most consecutive title defenses at welterweight with 8 at UFC 158, Jones has taken down 4 straight former titleholders. He finished all but Rashad Evans, and this efficient rate must be a deciding factor for the voters. Jones comes into fights looking to take his opponents out. He will also tie Tito Ortiz’s record for most title defenses at light heavyweight with a victory over Chael Sonnen next month.

The heart of Jones may place ahead of GSP here as well. When Vitor Belfort nearly submitted Jones with an armbar at UFC 152 last fall, he persevered and acknowledged that his foe would have had to break his arm rather than tap out and lose the belt. GSP has been in a similar situation twice in his career as champion, once getting knocked out by Matt Serra. The next time, he weathered the storm with his own show of heart after Carlos Condit dropped him with a headkick and then swarmed, looking for the finish.

So both fighters do have great heart, but when you’re looking to vote on such a prestigious title as pound-for-pound best, even the most minute of details must be analyzed. I’d have to give the edge to Jones in strength of competition and killer instinct. And while Jones is a great wrestler in his own right, he uses it to look for the finish via submission or brutal ground-and-pound.

Maybe the lack of excitement that GSP seems to be exhibiting in recent bouts is reason for his decline in the rankings. Many St-Pierre fans hope for him to finish a fight and prove all of his doubters wrong. It could be just the massive hype that the UFC places upon all his bouts that simply sets him up to fail. Perhaps it’s a combination of several things.

In conclusion, I think that while it’s a very close debate, Jon Jones truly has passed GSP by as the number 2 pound-for-pound fighter in the world. St-Pierre now finds himself with a bout against Johny Hendricks, a man that many view as the biggest threat to the welterweight crown in some time. Both Jones and St-Pierre have been rumored for superfights with Anderson Silva for some time now.

While it’s completely unclear whether either fight will come to fruition, I feel like the general consensus has the Jones/Silva bout as the fight fans want to see. Jon Jones is a special fighter whose meteoric rise to the top is already legendary. And Georges St-Pierre is the best welterweight in the history of the UFC. Who do you believe should occupy the number 2 spot below Anderson Silva?


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  • apapbend
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    somewhat of a stupid question eh?

    Reply 1 year ago
  • KeithFarrell
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    It is probably a combination of Jones having a higher finishing rate (little bit unfair because his opponents are more vulnerable to being finished, according to their histories) and GSP was actually not looking like his normal world-beater self in the later rounds of the Diaz fight, even though it was still enough to soundly dominate.

    This is probably the hardest ranking spot to argue between out of all the lists as Jon Jones sudden destruction of the LHW division against GSP's endless ********** of the division are both great feats but it is very subjective in what you value as better.

    For me, I will take GSP's long reign as the more impressive. There have been plenty of guys who have come out and been on top for a while (an example is JDS, if he doesn't get the belt back) but there have only been 3 or 4 guys in the sport's history who have been able to stay a UFC champion, never mind top 3 P4P, as long as GSP has.

    If the situations are the same in a year or so time, Jones will probably edge him out as he will have had his own long-term rule of the division but for the time being GSP has my #2 spot.

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  • predator
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    I dont think how long an individuals streak should be considered because lets face it george is a very different fighter from 4 years ago. Lets look at it this way, jon jones since feb 2011 has had 6 fights against top competition and finished 5 of them, if u want to discount vitor thats fine. George has had 3 fights since 2011 and finished none. As is with all rankings its what have you done recently to deserve this title. Secondly dominating fights is all well and good, but in my opinion a clear cut winner is the person who does not tap or is not sprawled out on the floor, sure GSP does dominate the opposition but he never finishes, a truly dominant champ should be able to finish at a rate higher than GSP, at the end of the day he has 25 minutes to try and dominate and atleast occasionally finish. However I aint jumpin on jones nuts either, in the article it says- "Jones has bested an incredible five former UFC Light Heavyweight champions in a row. That’s a feat not likely to be duplicated soon, if ever." I hate it when people use this a some kind of logic as to why Jones is better, it should not even come into play, you cant compare it to someone like GSP because he has not allowed the ufc belt to change hands on mulitple occasions he obviously cant claim to have beaten so many ex champs, which in my eyes in more credit to him. Thirdly im going to massively disagree with Keith in saying that Jones comp are more vulnerable to finish machida finished once in his career and i dont believe he lost the fight to rampage. Rampage never been finished in his ufc career, Shoguns only finish was to griffin and shogun was coming off a double knee op or something. I think finishing is a huge part of mma, and jones not only finishes but doms the opposition. Lets look at GSPs last 6 fights apart from conduit n diaz, each fighter that GSP has beaten has been finished recently......I think looking at the facts its simple to see that over the last 2 years Jones has overtaken GSP he has fought more and finished more, and contrary to what you say about Jones competition, they aint been finished like GSPs recent comp have.

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  • ksooner76
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    look alot of ppl say that GSP doesnt go for the kill or lay and prey but all
    these GREAT fighter talk about how they are going to make him fight that
    he has no pretetor fight he just coast by im sorry but GSP knows that the guys that he is fighting are great fighters and not one of the fighters that said they are going to take the fight to GSP ever did once in the ring played survive not crush GSP now the guys in the past that went for broke Hughes, BJ, ect GSP fought went toe to toe.....ppl see these fighters that normally go at there opponents like Carlos, Daiz, ect
    but got in the ring with GSP and didntGSP has an amazing game planhe makes his defence a GREAT offence....if any of these guys would just go for broke and do what they say they were going to do but GSP has great BOXING DEFENCE amazing side movement as he jabs the **** out of them and takes them out of there game,... you cant blame him for the way the other fighter fightsif theother would stick to there game plan it would be a toe to toe but since he jabs and make them think twice about it the they go to a chess match and GSP is just great at the chess match but if any of the guys would fight like they did to getwere they are would make for a great fight but they dont they get defencive what got them to the champ is how thaey should fight the champ

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  • M1keBeast1y
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    jon jones no doubt and i dont even like jones at all i root against him every fight ... but he finishes fights and they are top level guys finished lyoto rampage belfort shogun ... gsp couldnt finish hardy alves

    Reply 1 year ago
  • Brian Cox
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    Yes.

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  • InfiniteEnigma
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    nuff said

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  • DKMcGrath
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    I like Jones more I just completly disagree,while Jones has more past champion wins There hasnt been a WW champ since Hughes,meaning most of the guys GSP beat would have been champ or number 1 contender.I believe that even without being the greatest finisher his accomplishments give him the 2 spot hes lost came back and beat he guy who beat him Jones escaped an armbar and he got out pointed by Machida for a round George has accomplished so much more.

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  • Evan Holober
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    Its simple, people are putting more emphasis on finishing in terms of ranking (or dominance). For instance, in Jones' last two fights he had a sparring match with Evans that he was almost as dominant in as GSP was against Diaz. And a submission of Belfort after getting his elbow popped out earlier in the fight. Each of the guys he's finished have been finished by other fighters before (within a few years).

    Jones actually didn't surpass him recently. People have had him ahead since Dana started calling him the second best fighter in the world when GSP was injured (go figure).

    Media members are confusing excitemement for dominance (which is a bit troubling).

    Anderson isn't the PFP king because he finishes people in style. It's because he has a winning streak over top competition unparalleled in today's MMA. The only person close is GSP.

    Jones is great already, and might become the Greatest ever when all is said and done. However, he hasn't surpassed GSP yet (and IMO hasn't even surpassed Aldo).

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  • falcon4917
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    People put emphasis on finishes as finishes leave no questions as to who would win if the fight kept going because it didn't. Also dynamics in a fight show skill set and ingenuity. Anderson and Jones seem far more natural at fighting. GSP fights by the book and does a great job but Anderson and Jones are real fighters at heart and have the skill to add some pages to the art of fighting that others try and emulate. Anderson is a book writer and GSP is a book reader.

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  • M1keBeast1y
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    thumbs up for this comment

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  • codemaster
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    GSP leaves no doubt who won when he gets a decision--and no doubt who would win the fight if it kept going.

    In fact--If someone is KO'd or Subbed--they can always claim they were just caught. After fighting GSP--his opponents and all the fans have no doubt who was the better fighter--and who would be the better fighter if there was a rematch.

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  • codemaster
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    Think about it.

    How many opponents of GSP do you think would win in a rematch?

    What odds were fans giving before GSP fought his opponents--and what odds after?

    On the other hand, I wiould like to see a rematch of Vitor with Anderson--since it is possible that Vitor just got caught.

    Even a rematch of AS with Hendo would be interesting--I think Hendo could do better in a rematch.

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  • falcon4917
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    I think you are stretching a bit of logic there. There is no rematch in the real world and Anderson always gets lucky so what then? The problem with a decision is that there is legitimate reasoning behind a possible comeback for the losing fighter if the fight had gone on but when a finish happens there is no possible extra outcome. You can talk rematches but then we have to take away the reality of a finisher vs a decisioner in which there would be no rematches with a finish. Also GSP was finished more recently than Anderson. And although he may have won more rounds winning points does nothing in a roundless fight. Sonnen was able to win on points but which mattered more the dominance displayed or the finish?

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    Wrong about Silva. He is only p4p because he finishes guys who have been finished by many other fighters already. Rarely does he fight top tier fighters anymore and is way overrated IMO. I have Jones and GSP ahead of Silva.

    Silva could ninja kick has beens and the like until he is 50 and the idiot fans and commentators will still ******** to it.

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  • falcon4917
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    Sorry my friend you have it all screwed up. If anyone is guilty of not finishing fighters which other inferior fighters were able to it's GSP. Hardy was finished by Lytle with a sub and not by GSP for cryin out loud. Anderson has finished guys that Jones was not able to like Bonnar and also finished Vitor 4 times as fast as Jones. You have to be the one going nuts to think that GSP is better than Silva. Silva finished Dan as well and Rich which are extremely hard to finish. Anyone who has never been KO'd or finished ends up being finished by the Spider. Unlike GSP who decisions anyone thats been finished by inferior fighters. You need to wake up on the reality side of this debate.

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  • Evan Holober
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    Hardy was finished by Lytle by sub in a close back and forth match up. GSP's dismantling of Hardy where Dan had no chance at all over 25 minutes was less exciting, but far more impressive from a dominance stand point.

    Nate Marquardt has finished Maia. Alan Belcher finished Patrick Cote. Cung Le finished Rich faster than Anderson did. Maia finished Chael much faster than Anderson did each time, and was never ragdolled by him for 20 minutes.

    The point is, you are confusing dominance for excitement and making claims that are easily refutable. Anderson has KO'd everyone? Cote, Leites, Sonnen, and Maia disagree. It's not about him KOing people. It's about the win steak, and level of dominance he shows in most fights.

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  • falcon4917
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    It's not about the level of dominance, it's about the finish end of story. Nothing in terms of points, or dominance means anything but that you did that for a while without a finish. Silva only didn't finish guys that he toyed with. Regardless of GSP's impressive dominance over hardy he still was very unimpressive with his finishing ability which is the only way to win a fight in reality. Lytle accomplished this and so did condit. There is a load of guys that decisioned hardy so it's not really all that impressive that the top guy had to settle for such a lowly win over a very overrated fighter in hardy. The guy has no fighter instinct and will stay back and make sure he wins a round rather than actually beat the guy. Not many get a decision loss to Anderson especially if he wills them to be finished early. The only guy that forced a near decision was Chael and there were many underlying circumstances involved with that fight which were rectified in fight 2.

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  • Evan Holober
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    No, it's not about the finish at all. It's about the level of dominance over top tier competition. Always has been where greatness is measured in combat sports. Always will be.

    In reality, GSP could have head butted Hardy into oblivion. He could have gouged at his eyes over and over while he was dominating him on the ground. Same thing with Chael over Anderson. This "real fight scenario" is more than a double edged sword.

    "The guy has no fighter instinct"

    I could just as easily say you have no knowledge of combat sports, with treating your opinion as if it has any sort of substance behind it. Claiming that GSP has no fighter instinct, in whatever scenario you treat to somehow substantiate that fact to yourself, is ignorance personified.

    "The only guy that forced a near decision was Chael and there were many underlying circumstances involved with that fight which were rectified in fight 2."

    What about the underlying circumstances that happened in fight #2? The blatant Vaseline rubbing all over, the shorts grabs, the borderline knee to Chael on the ground? Do those not count as underlying circumstances because Anderson won?

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  • falcon4917
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    Anderson could have done the head butts as well and never had a fight get to the matt for all we know. All we know is that a finish is FAR better than a decision and it's impact on a fight is complete and a decision is not complete just swayed.

    Chael, Anderson and GSP had issues with legit tactics in fights but still stands that Anderson is the one that really wins fights. There is a reason GSP wants the finish but can't get it. He looks at the sport of it rather than the fight of it. If Anderson had Kos as far gone as GSP did there would be no hesitation. GSP is just not the fighter Anderson is. Andersons flashy skills is not the point but that he finishes is the point and the fact he can do it with style is what sets him apart from everyone else. GSP= Book reader. Anderson = book writer.

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  • falcon4917
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    Ignorant is that some guys think GSP is as good as Silva and has real fighting spirit. The guy is great at what he does as a sportsman but he is not only lower than silva in terms of fighter instinct but simply uncomparable. The borderline knee? The knee was perfectly placed on his chest which is something Anderson can do with an accuracy nobody else can achieve. GSP is the greatest athlete machine in the ufc and Anderson is the greatest fighter.

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  • Evan Holober
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    No, their fighting spirit is close to one another. That's why they've been neck and neck in the rankings for so long.

    Ignorance is claiming GSP has none.

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  • falcon4917
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    No they are close because people rank it in a points and sporting fashion rather than a fight fashion. If it was rated on how well you finish your adversaries and take away all doubt as to what coulda woulda shoulda happened in their fight it would not be close at all.

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  • Evan Holober
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    No people rank it in a sport of fighting fashion, and they mistake excitement for dominance.

    There's no "coulda woulda shoulda" for dominance over and over again.

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  • falcon4917
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    Yes there is because there was no finish just like if the Silva Sonnen fight was a 4 round fight everyone would rate it on the coulda woulda shoulda list that currently gives st.pierre his spot behind Silva. But because it went another round the reality was settled with a what looked unlikely finish.

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  • Evan Holober
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    That's incorrect.

    People do that much more with stoppages than they do decisions. Like wow, Serra stopped St. Pierre that was lucky (which is then rectified) or Crazy Anderson got tapped by a career .500 fighter (which wasn't rectified by a rematch but by consitent ********** of better fighters).

    There's no coulda woulda shoulda for losing 3 rounds in 6 years.

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  • Evan Holober
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    dis-mantling*

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  • falcon4917
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    You are talking rematches again. People may argue over the luck of the stoppage but the stoppage is at least final. regardless if Anderson got tapped by an inferior fighter it was still a pure loss, not a what woulda happened in R6 loss. Then we forward to last 5 or 6 years and Anderson leaps ahead of GSP. Anderson has no losses and GSP has. GSPs wins are more about points than actually winning where as Andersons are more about actual fight wins rather than a sway of judgeing. You can run around and ignore the reality of fight finishing vs decisioning all day I am sure but you will notice with Andersons wins there are very few that you can argue something else could have transpired if the fight had gone on, because it simply didn't.

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  • falcon4917
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    Also, if your rematches are also decision wins decided by anyone other than the fighter himself you end up argueing well if there were 11 rounds he woulda won.

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  • Evan Holober
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    I'm arguing rematches? Are you following this conversation? Rematches were brought up by you. That is your main point. That because GSP goes to decision more often than Anderson a fighter with more time could theoretically do something down the line. Which is asinine because the closest a fighter has come to actually beating him is a out of no where headkick that he shook off ten seconds later, and an eyepoke from Jake Shields.

    The only way you can argue something different would have happened in the GSP fights is if you create another fight afterwards because he has looked better throughout the fight compared to every other fighter he's faced. However, if the argument was compared to Anderson in a dominant stand point Anderson is ahead because he's been winning for longer and that was never my stance. The comparison was Jon Jones. The only comparison I've made to Anderson is GSP is close to Anderson in fighting spirit. Which is certainly accurate.

    "GSPs wins are more about points than actually winning where as Andersons are more about actual fight wins rather than a sway of judgeing."

    Fitch, Koscheck, Condit, and Shields would all disagree about them not being in fights with GSP. They were actual fights, and each man showed the damage from those matches. Not just swayed judges decisions.

    "Then we forward to last 5 or 6 years and Anderson leaps ahead of GSP. Anderson has no losses and GSP has."

    Incorrect. GSP hasn't lost in 6 years (or 5 years and 335 days give er take a few). Anderson hasn't lost in 8 (7 if you count the DQ).

    "Andersons wins there are very few that you can argue something else could have transpired if the fight had gone on, because it simply didn't."

    "Andersons wins there are very few that you can argue something else could have transpired if the fight had gone on, because it simply didn't."

    You could most certainly argue a fight between him and Vitor Belfort could be different next time out because of the general low percentage that kick he threw usually knocks people out with.

    I wouldn't. However, that is certainly as questionable as thinking that maybe Josh Koscheck could have done something different if he had another round to fight GSP with one eye.

    "Also, if your rematches are also decision wins decided by anyone other than the fighter himself you end up argueing well if there were 11 rounds he woulda won."

    Anybody is entitled to their opinion, but logic doesn't dictate anything is arguable about when GSP decisions somebody. He's done it so many times that there isn't anything to discuss after he is done beating somebody for 5 rounds.

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  • falcon4917
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    "There is no rematch in the real world and Anderson always gets lucky so what then?" thats my quote.

    "Like wow, Serra stopped St. Pierre that was lucky (which is then rectified)" thats your quote.

    So you are standing up for the decision stating that if they win tthat then they basically win the fight because if there was a rematch or a roundless fight they would keep winning until they eventually finished them. I am arguing that a finish sorts that out so no hypothetical reasoning needed as it's over. Sure you could say it was lucky but then again it was still a finish and so it's over. All of Andersons losses are farther back than GSPs and his current form of destruction places his abilities higher in the best fighter category since he is actually winning the fights not the decisions as any fight can turn back the other way if it goes on as we saw from Silva vs Sonnen.

    You say there is nothing arguable about GSPs decisions and yet they are inconclusive except that you make a coulda woulda shoulda conclusion out of it. No matter how many times a fighter wins a decision it isn't the end of the fight.

    Yes you could argue the fight with Vitor could be different next time but the fact is it was a stoppage and not a decision. Sure a toenail could fall off Vitors foot next time and fly into Andersons mouth and choke him and he wins but it hasn't happened and Andersons finishes have.

    "Fitch, Koscheck, Condit, and Shields would all disagree about them not being in fights with GSP. They were actual fights, and each man showed the damage from those matches. Not just swayed judges decisions." Actually damage doesn't win a fight it just contributes to the final outcome which is never decided by damage but a finish. So yes it wasn Judges being swayed. There is a reason they say don't leave it in the hands of the judges because then they simply call it how they see it in terms of points and not an actual fight win.

    GSP's fighting spirit is average at best as he has shown signs of giving in to deep waters where his coach even sees it and tells him to smarten up and get back in it and that it's not that bad. I have never seen Anderson in such a mental state. He always seems in control of himself no matter the scenario and unlike GSP wouldn't tap to strikes. There are many guys as tough as Anderson in the UFC but Georges isn't one of them. He is the best athlete that has ever graced the octagon and a top tier fighter for sure but he lacks something other fighters like Silva, Condit, Henderson, and a safe fighter like Machida have and that is the ability to jump in guns blazing when it's time to finish off their opponent. The biggest sign of this lack in GSP was in the Kos fight where GSP had Kos all but dead on the floor and he still would not engage to finish it. Some say the ref should have stopped it, what you gunna do if they don't?

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  • Evan Holober
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    "There is no rematch in the real world and Anderson always gets lucky so what then?" thats my quote.

    "Like wow, Serra stopped St. Pierre that was lucky (which is then rectified)" thats your quote. "

    Yes, I know. I was pointing out that your brought up rematches first. That is all. I didn't know if you realized.

    SIlva vs. Sonnen is an example of a guy getting triangled/armbared for the 7th time in his career. It is an example of a single fight being ended after a dominating performance by one fighter, but it is also an anomaly because of the time it happpened. Besides, by your definition a real fight wouldn't be ended with a light tap. If it was real somebody would hold on to a choke/submission until their opponent was out or had their bone broken. That wasn't the case for Silva-Sonnen.

    Besides, SIlva didn't submit Chael in the 6th or 7th round. He did it during the fight.

    Either way, the fight is over. A dominating decision, or a stoppage. The argument after those points is nothing but conjecture to what would happen if that slip/lucky punch didn't happen, or what if the fight had 5 more rounds.

    "Actually damage doesn't win a fight it just contributes to the final outcome which is never decided by damage but a finish. So yes it wasn Judges being swayed. There is a reason they say don't leave it in the hands of the judges because then they simply call it how they see it in terms of points and not an actual fight win."

    It wasn't just the damage contributed to those outcomes though. GSP won every single aspect of those fights. There wasn't anything that needs to be swayed.

    Judges don't just tally points (I can actually speak from personal experience on this one), we look at the fight as a whole and decide who won. We don't decide who won the points contest. We decide who did the most damage, and imposed their will. If the fight is close, then it becomes a bit of a point counting affair. However, that happens less than you would think.

    GSP's fighting spirit is far above average. You might think him taking people down to stay away from striking aspects later on in fights makes it look that way, but that ignores the simple fact of it being a sport of multiple facets. GSP is a fighter with two submissions on his record (the exact same as Anderson Silva). GSP might have tapped to strikes, but he never tapped to a leg lock or a less than .500 fighter. If Anderson's fighting spirit was as high as you make it out to be those things would have never happened. However, he did. He tapped at the quickest sign of insecurity.

    Anderson hasn't done that in 8 years now. GSP hasn't done that in 6. No really big difference there.

    GSP is plenty tought. You don't fight multiple rounds with an injured groin, or half blind by being a pansy.

    "He is the best athlete that has ever graced the octagon and a top tier fighter for sure but he lacks something other fighters like Silva, Condit, Henderson, and a safe fighter like Machida have and that is the ability to jump in guns blazing when it's time to finish off their opponent."

    He hasn't had as many finishes as Silva or Condit, but he surely is as tough as either. Not sure why you bring up Machida or Dan though. Machida is widely known to take a boring decision win if that's what's present, and Henderson's nickname used to be "decision" Dan before the TRT started. Unless you were talking about Ben Henderson, and I would have no clue at all why you would bring him up.

    Oh, definitely great debate. Not sure I've written anything that can be construed as personal outside of my comments about you saying GSP had no fighting spirit. Which I will openly tell you is about the dumbest thing in the world.

    Also, we keep coming back to the comparison between GSP and Anderson. I'm not arguing for GSP to be looked at as ahead of him at all (I want to make that clear). What I am arguing is length of dominance, and how it is being overlooked because of Jones' stoppages recently.

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  • falcon4917
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    A real fight can be finished with a light tap since one man gives up. Wether it's mental or physical stoppage it is a win.

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    cool. I don't mean he has absolutely no fighting spirit its just a figure of speach comparing to other fighters. I am sure he has more than many and has proven to be able to come back when in an uncomfortable situation but i feel just not like some others in the UFC recently. I accept Silva tapped quick to a sub but most feel it's worse to tap quick to punches. Also most of my critique is based on UFC level career and going from now back until their respective most recent losses.

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  • Evan Holober
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    You clarified yourself, and just have a differing opinion. All good.

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  • falcon4917
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    Well you certainly made me rethink a few times so credit due to you.

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  • falcon4917
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    It's been a good debate by the way and nothing personal. I hope you won't take it that way. I just enjoy a good argument from time to time. I do respect GSP and think he is one of the nicest guys in the sport. He is the absolute epidimy of hard work and dedication and a great role model. I want to see him lose but i also feel if that happens we will see a GSP we say a while back that was hungry for a statement to be made. I don't blame him or any other champ for doing what it takes to stay on top considering the benefits but have my own favourites and opinions. If I met GSP I would be honored to greet him as a world class fighter. I feel both Anderson and GSP are superhuman nearly just that Anderson is more in a pure fighting genius type of way and GSP in an incredibly dedicated and athletic way.

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  • G3ARHEAD
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    The title of the article is worded wrong. It implies that Jon Jones fought at 158, as he is the subject of the sentence. Just Saying.

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    Of course he should! GSP needs to finish before he can claim a higher spot in the p4p list....to be honest he should not even be top 5...

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    Georges Safe-Pierre shouldn't be any higher than 4. Had JDS won against Cain, he would have been at 5.

    1. Anderson Silva
    2. Jon Jones
    3. Jose Aldo
    4. Georges

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  • KeithFarrell
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    Are you crazy?

    JDS with 2 title defenses would be ranked above GSP, even though Junior only uses boxing and takedown defense, a very one dimensonal game?? (even though it works great).

    Can you tell me why Aldo would be in front? If it's down to finishes, well Aldo has only had 2 finishes in almost 4 years which is only 1 more than GSP, yet on the most part he has been fighting hugely lesser competition.

    Get real hater, next it will be Kimbo Slice in front of Klitschko since he finished more recently

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    My first UFC event i watched was UFC100........and since then i consider myself a huge MMA fan.but yet i have Never ever seen GSP Finnish a fight since then. The one thing his got going for him is that stiff left jab to the face, it's like hitting the reset button on his opponent. And then off course there's his wrestling.

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    Soooo....does that make him the #2 P4P?HELL NO.

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    I have been losing interest in GSP as of late but there is no way Jones should be ranked above him. GSP may not finish as often but he has been far more dominant for far longer. Jones is good at imposing his will but not nearly as good as GSP. If they were the same size I would pick Georges to beat Jones every time.

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    The whole P4P nonsense starts again.

    Heated arguments about fighters who are magically transformed to the same size and weight for the sake of comparison.

    There are so many subjective factors involved in the analysis that the arguments are bound to be eternal, and eternally silly.

    All the fighters on the list are great fighters--that much we can agree on. Or can we?



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  • falcon4917
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    You still debate them though.

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    I say yes, Jones should be ranked ahead of GSP. Not only because of Jone's level of competition he's faced (and finished), not only b/c Jones hasn't lost yet, but simply because Jones has defended his belt a lot more consistently and fought a lot more times than GSP has in the last few years. Since 2011, GSP has only defended his belt one time per year, twice in 2010, 2009, 2008, thats 9 fights since 2008, and Jones fought twice in 2012, 4 times in 2011, twice in 2010, 3 times in 2009, and SEVEN times in 2008 (one in the UFC). Jones has fought twice as much as GSP has in recent years, So when you look at consistency, durability, dominance, and his finish ability, I say Jones is #2. If not for Jones's dominant 4-win 2011, and 2-win 2012, I would give it to GSP

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