UFC 154: Georges St. Pierre vs. Carlos Condit Head-to-Head
Posted on November 15, 2012, 06:16 PM by Anton Gurevich
Striking: 55-45 Condit
That’s where Carlos Condit has a clear advantage over Georges St. Pierre. The way Condit was executing striking combinations against Nick Diaz really showed the quality of his stand-up skills. More than anything, Condit’s second to none timing is what truly makes him “The Natural Born Killer” Georges St. Pierre will be facing inside the Octagon. Yes, GSP might have more experience and has a very deep striking arsenal as well. Every single one of his techniques is deadly, but I think NBK’s advantage in that department will be visible from the first seconds of the fight.
Carlos Condit’s Main Technique: NBK will keep it simple but deadly. Watch out for 1-2 combinations followed by a low/mid/high kick.
GSP’s Main Technique: Jab. Jab. Jab. This is how GSP will maintain distance for a perfect takedown.
Fights to watch: Carlos Condit vs. Nick Diaz (UFC 143), GSP vs. Koscheck (UFC 124)
Wrestling: 75-25 St. Pierre
Wrestling is GSP’s Realm of Terror (Diablo III reference). That’s where he has advantage against every Lightweight, Welterweight, and Middleweight in the UFC. Carlos Condit will find it extremely hard to defend St. Pierre’s takedown, and personally, I think we can expect the replay of GSP’s fight with Dan Hardy. GSP’s knee is a huge X-Factor here. If it’s as good as it was before, we will see Condit fighting off his back most of the time. If not, GSP will be forced to deal with “The Natural Born Killer” on his feet.
Carlos Condit’s Main Technique: Dirty Boxing / Thai Clinch. Those are excellent control techniques that will help Carlos Condit at the fence. That’s where Condit will find himself, if he’s able to defend St. Pierre’s takedown attempt.
GSP’s Main Technique: St. Pierre’s Ground-and-Pound is legendary. Once GSP puts Carlos Condit on his back, he will be looking to unleash fury with powerful, well-timed strikes from the top.
Fights to watch: GSP vs. Thiago Alves (UFC 100), Carlos Condit vs. Dong-Hyun Kim (UFC 132)
BJJ / Grappling: 50-50
This one is pretty equal. I might give a small advantage to Georges St. Pierre. The thing that really gives him an edge is his ability to capitalize on his opponent’s mistakes. If GSP sees an opening to submit Carlos Condit, he will go “for the kill”. But will we see a mistake from Condit? Interim champ has 13 Submission victories on his record, some of them are against high level BJJ black belts, but then again, none of those victories are in the UFC. Condit can definitely pull a trick or two off his sleeve. It’s also important to note that most of NBK’s submission victories are Kimura’s, Triangle Chokes and Armbars. GSP is better watch out.
Carlos Condit’s Main Technique: Triangle Choke and/or Armbar. GSP’s posture on top could leave an opening for an armbar attempt. Condit will have only a handful of those chances during the fight, so he better use them well.
GSP’s Main Technique: It’s hard to predict what GSP can do during the fight, since he’s probably the most well-rounded fighter currently competing in Mixed Martial Arts. I think we might see a French-Canadian Guillotine Choke.
Fights to Watch: GSP vs. Matt Hughes (UFC 79), Condit vs. Prater (WEC 32)
Comments
isnt wrestling the same thing as grappling?
Nope.
Yes, wrestling and grappling are pretty much the same--but while all wreslting is grappling, not all grappling is considered wrestling.
Grappling is an umbrella term for any contact using gripping, throwing and submission techniques. Wrestling is usually a subset grappling.
Judo uses throws and submission holds--but is distinct from wrestling, even though it uses some wrestling techniques to set submissions, as does Jiu Jitsu. Catch wrestling and other forms of submission wrestling tend to include a number of submission techniqes, blurring the lines between disciplines.
In MMA, all contact which is not considered a strike is usually grappling. For example, while GSP has great wrestling--which includes ground control--he also has very good defensive BJJ.
MMA blurs the lines between distinct disciplines, and merges them into a single effective martial art. So grappling is also clinching--which could be called Greco-Roman wrestling, or a Thai clinch--depending upon the moves.
It's similar to how boxing is striking, but all striking is not boxing. Reply0 seconds ago
give a small advantage to Georges St. Pierre. The thing that really gives him an edge is his ability to capitalize on his opponent’s mistakes. If GSP sees an opening to submit Carlos Condit, he will go “for the kill
It sounds like you were describing condit anton not gsp
that was useful.
It should be BJJ instead of grappling as grappling is heavily cornered on takedowns
I agree. I changed it to BJJ / Grappling.
NO! stfu, man
I it's silly to compare previous fights, but how Rory handled Carlos was very impressive in the first two rounds. I think GSP will take down Carlos at will, and stay on top. GSP has amazing conditioning, I don't see him getting tired, but I can see Carlos fading from the wrestling. GSP will sap Condit's stamina like a milkshake.
and I'm not sure about saying Condit has a "clear" advantage in striking, when was the last time GSP was ever beat or even close standing?
The last fight was dodgy due to a bad eye poke but apart form that GSP has beaten guys like BJ, Alves and Koscheck standing.
I'd give a KO power advantage to Condit but not sure about full striking skills
I wouldnt say GSP beat BJ or Alves standing.
In the the first BJ fight GSP was the one who got busted up and had to go to the hosital after the fight. He won that one on split decision because he scored a few takedowns.. In the second BJ fight they hardly stood up at all.
And with Alves, GSP used his takedowns and ground control throughout the fight...
Georges been away from the octagon for 19 months .... he wont keep up with Carlos ... Carlos will bring the fight to him... this is my opinion Georges going to lose
In my opinion this '19 month lay off theory' doesn't hold much substance. Lets wait and watch!
Wrestling: 85 - 15 for Safe-Pierre. Striking: 70 - 30 NBK. BJJ: 70 - 30 NBK. That's the way I see it.
replay of GSP’s fight with Dan Hardy?
Dude that's just a crazy statement... Condit's TDD is 1000x better than Hardy's.. and if you think he hasn't improved his wrestling A WHOLE LOT in the past year, you're a nutcase! He knew GSP was next so he worked on his Wrestling A LOT... his TDD was already pretty good, it's gonna be MUCH improved now and he obviously put on muscle too, he's a lot stronger than before.. i still give GSP a big advantage but most def. nothing like 75-25 more like 60-40, Striking i'd say 60-40 for Condit and Grappling about the same.. pretty even, Condit might Edge GSP with his Jitz though...i think Condit is a bit better off his back than GSP. It's a very even fight.. but if i was a betting man (which i happen to be... ) I'd put my money on Condit (which i did... lol).... either way.. EXCITING FIGHT !!!
On second though i'd give Condit a much bigger BJJ advantage... GSP will probably take him down but once they're down.. GSP needs to be REALLY carefull.....
Yeah, and Nick Diaz had to be SOOOOOOO careful with Condit. Right. Nah. I'm pretty sure there was a bitch slap in there too.
Cage rust plus injury gives condit a great opportunity to win this fight.
Condit has the psycological edge going into this fight for sure.
Wrestling advantage for GSP is probably closer to 80-20. Condit's has gotten better with time, but GSP is looked at as the best wrestler in MMA for a reason.
Grappling for MMA (which is the only thing that matters when considering BJJ/judo/catch wrestling etc.) goes to GSP also. We're talking about a guy who outgrappled BJ, Fitch, Hughes, Serra, Miller, and a prime Karo. Submissions are great, but positioning is the essence of submission grappling. And the only guy to ever put him in a bad spot there was Matt Hughes in his 8th professional fight. Condit's grappling is also very good so the space between them isn't far.
The only thing that would make it closer is if GSP's injury hampers his scrambling ability.
Condit's striking is top notch, and he just showed that he can follow a game plan. I agree with 60-40 there for Carlos.
All in all: GSP should take a decision or a stoppage on cuts.
He also outwrestled Kos and Shields who are remarkable wrestlers and grapplers.
Got to remember Alves has scary TDD going in to the GSP fight, Kos couldn't get a hold of him and GSP took him down like he was demonstrating to students.
I think the story of this fight is going to be George's wrestling and strength. I think it will be a replay of the Serra 2 & Penn 2 fights. A lot of changing levels, pushing the pace and pushing Carlos up against the cage. I see George winning, I just hope it's not a decision. I'd like to see him get a good clean KO, TKO or submission. Preferably after a few entertaining rounds.
One of the things I'll be interested in seeing is the relative strength between the two. I think George is going to prove to be a lot stronger than Carlos. Can Carlos deal with George's strength once Rush takes him down? And I just don't see CD stopping those take-downs.
Should be a great fight. I like them both, but I will be pulling for GSP.
Have we seriously forgotten who GSP is?? Dang, the fans are a fickle mistress....
I don't think the fans have forgotten how good GSP is. They do realise how good Condit also is. I see Condit's movement and pace causing GSP some problems and it will be interesting to see how GSP responds to it. GSP's movement and pace are also top notch so should be a great fight. A superfight IMO. Same as Aldo - Edgar coming up soon.
No we haven't forgotten who GSP "was"... However, we don't know if that same GSP we "knew" is gonna show up after that 19 month layoff... Also, i don't buy all the "New and improved" talk... I can believe he's just as good or close to what he was.. but i don't see room for a lot of improvement after such an injury cause he simply could not train for a very long time... So it's gonna be interesting to see how sharp he is.. how good his timing is and if Condit's power won't overwhelm him... There's a lot of factor's you gotta weigh in with this fight. I would never DOUBT GSP... but i just believe a lil more in Condit's evolution as a fighter... He's a natural born killer... and he'll be looking to kill GSP tomorrow.