There have been some superfightsalready.
GSP Penn 2 was one for sure.
JDS Cain 1 and 2 could be considered superfights, both were solid top 10 P4Ps, only problem was they weren't long time P4P greats, which I think is a huge factor in making a superfight.
In my opinion Aldo vs. Edgar was one as well, both were in my top 5 P4P (and still are) and were high on the list for a couple of years. That fight was even built that way.
I don't consider this a title fight because as incredible as Weidman is, he doesn't have the legacy or even run (only beat three top 10 guys, even though 1 is Silva) to propel this to a superifhgt, or at least what I consider a superfight.
I agree GSP Penn 2 was a super fight for sure so this or any other one after will not be the 1st
Keith, I must respectfully disagree on your selection's of fights, as super-fights and I see none of them as such. I most assuredly say that to you as not only an an ardent GSP fan, but also as a huge Frankie Edgar fan.
I hold to my original contention, that there has never been a super-fight in UFC history and could this be the first one?
Bangers 'n Mash & a pint on me, if proven wrong. Sadly my MMA friend, it could take 20 or 30 years for all of us to appreciate what is going to happen on December 28th, of this year.
I wish we could watch it together and shout, "I told you so's" at one another, as the reply was shown.
May the best man win and all of that, my UK friend.
haha thanks Brian, I wish so to.. only thing is I will most liekly be flying to Vegas to see this one live
@Brian Cox, are you nuts? A super fight is a bout between fighters that are top p4p who's paths under normal circumstances would never cross. But i fight that people have been thinking about at least for 1-2 years. Two guys that are crushing everyone, and you think "What if they fought eachother?" GSP-Penn is 100% a superfight, and Aldo-Edgar was definitely a DREAM match-up for ******** MMA fans. Weidman-Silva II, is simply a title defense with great interest. No ones been dreaming of this match for years, and weidman isn't a top p4p quite yet. 99% of the time a superfight would have to be someone dropping down, going up, or a catch weight. otherwise there is no 2 year build up since they would've fought already.
Lmao they censored "Hard--core"...
T803...if thinking about a fight for 1 or 2 years is part of the criteria, the GSP / Penn and Aldo / Edgar would fail the super-fight criteria that you've set.
Also, Edgar wasn't crushing anyone and I say that as a huge Edgar fan. When Frankie fought Aldo he had just come off of 2 losses and was (basically) run out of his division.
In terms of "what if they fought each other", GSP and Penn had already fought. previously, so there was no "what if" about the match.
The reality of this re-match is that there's a great deal on the line and this fight matters and it matters a great deal more than a meaningless bout between marquee fighters @ a catch-weight.
In a super-fight based only on the criteria you offer, I could easily see how both fighters could play it safe and not put on a real fight; simply show up, put on a show, take the money and walk out the door. There is no guarantee that the fight would be any good.
In Weidman / Silva II, that is not the case. There is so much on the line in this fight, particularly for Anderson, that he can't help but bring it and Chris in turn, will be looking to hold on to what he now has.
Personally, I believe that one of the criteria for a super-fight is what's on the line and what's on the line in this fight is not only Weidman's belt, but everything for Anderson. This is a big roll of the dice for Silva and if he comes up short again, then his legacy, record all of that becomes old news and maybe even questioned. For, once he ran into a serious fighter who wasn't afraid of him he lost. If he looses again, then maybe he was just that great over lesser fighters and not that great with an equal and someone who could seriously challenge him.
Again, the value of this fight is what makes it a super-fight to me. I'd rather see Weidman / Silva II over Silva / Jones all day long. There's more on the line and the fight carries real weight.
To answer your original question...no, I am not nuts. I simply value this fight and see it for what it is...a super-fight and come the fight, I bet you that's how the UFC will be promoting it.
As to 99%, then this fight would be part of the 1% difference, which proves the rule.
As to Weidman not being ranked on the P4P top ten list...he is. He's #10. I've appended the (recently updated) list, as taken from UFC.com, for your perusal.
1 Jon Jones
2 Georges St-Pierre
3 Anderson Silva
4 Jose Aldo
5 Benson Henderson
6 Cain Velasquez
7 Demetrious Johnson
8 Renan Barao
9 Dominick Cruz
10 Chris Weidman
However, you and nearly 300 other people see it your way and a paltry 46 agree with me, so maybe you're right and I'm wrong.
I know one thing, if DW and the UFC start hyping this bout as a super-fight, I'm going to have a good laugh and an "I told ya so" for the site. :-)
GSP-Penn, were number p4p #2 and #3 when they fought. Both champions at the time. With their previous fight ending with semi controversy with BJ clearly winning in damage, with GSP controlling him for two rounds. Bj had cemented his legacy as the greatest lightweight, and GSP on his way of becoming the greatest WW. Honestly it's not really even a question whether that is a super fight or not.
Weidman is not even close to that status right now. He JUST won the belt, and many people believe it was due to silva beating himself. Weidman is JUST got on the p4p rankings and at number 10. making him the lowest of the champions. He clearly doesn't have the respect, or have the accolades quite yet to make this even close to a superfight. Is this a HUGE fight? yes but so was Sonnen-Silva 2 but no one would consider that a superfight.
Aldo vs edgar was a fight everyone has been thinking about for years. Since edgar was too small for LW people thought "What if he dropped weightclasses, how would he deal with Aldo?" Most consider Edgar to have won that 2nd fight with Benson, even AFTER the 2 razor thin losses he was still #9 on p4p list.
Another fight that is considered a superfight but many forget about since MMA was AS big at the time is Rampage-Henderson. Rampage just KO'd Liddell, and Henderson the Pride LHW champion coming over. I know everyone i knew had been waiting for that match up for years.
It takes two established fighters to create a superfight. not 1 great fighters winning streak coming to an end, then getting a rematch. People haven't been dreaming of this match up, Weidman is not a big enough name yet. He wasn't even in the picture of being a contender 2 years ago.
How you don't consider those 3 previous examples superfights but consider this to be one, honestly blows my mind. But i guess to each his own.
To me super fights are champs from two separate weight divisions fighting at a catch weight...but then again Ali vs Foreman....
Super fight? Not even close.
Actually, it'll simply be like a master teaching his student a lesson, or better yet, a father teaching his son some good manners.
Pow!! Kapow!! Boff!! Whack!! Bonk!! (Classic Batman and Robin 60s TV series fights style.)
UDG...I take it Weidman is the master in this scenario and Anderson the student. Correct? I mean, he did beat the man and take his belt and title.
For, in my world view, if you give the beating you are the master. If you take the beating you are the student.
Call me crazy. :-)
And yes, I do think it's a super-fight and I'd think that Silva fans would want to view it as such. This is a massively important fight and it should be celebrated as such. That's how I see it. This fight will either make or brake his entire run in the UFC.
If you beat the man, you are the man. Weidman is the man. Seeing whether or not Silva can turn that tide, that's bigger than a Jones fight in my opinion, because there is actually something on the line; a belt, a record, a legacy, all of it.
My only hope for both of them is that they get paid for the media circus this fight is going to be, come December. Every MMA fan on the planet is going to want to see this fight. Period. This is the ticket to have for 2013.
It's a super-fight, my man. May the best man win. :-)
B.C: Yes, you are crazy - lol. Weidman knows better than that.
UDG, I am crazy. Crazy for that Silva thumping, never lost, undefeated Champion, Chris Weidman. You are correct, Sir.
it's more like anderson teaching himself a lesson if anything. Chris is justt sitting in the class watching silva fight himself.
As fun repeatedly watching the 1st fight (specifically the KO), the 2nd would just be a title defence in my opinion.
The term superfight is used too casually now.....It was originally reserved for the GSP/Anderson fight or the BONES/Silva fight.
Now the UFC hypnosis department will be spoon feeding the term superfight to the masses at every opportunity to boost their PPV sales.
There is no such thing as a superfight until the fight has happened.The Bonnar and Griffin fight is now considered a superfight but it wasn't marketed as one.
"UFC hypnosis department"
ah...Enjoy...that, is a classic.
When you say it in your head, you can actually imagine yourself dialing a number, it ringing, the phone being picked up and a voice coming on the line and saying"
"UFC hypnosis department"...may I help youuuuuu....are now asleep and will sign any contract we put in front of you, make no ill statement of either the brand, Dana White or the Fertitta brothers...speak of how much you love the minimum wage..etc.
Yeah, I think you're spot on; APU.
If there was ever a legal challenge on misleading advertising, the UFC could be forced to replace the term "SUPERFIGHT' with "SUPERHYPE" in all of their marketing material. lol
The UFC hypnosis department wants to be friends with you Brian. The friendship starts by giving them your VISA, MASTERCARD, or AMERICAN EXPRESS number.
I give you 4 out of 5 shrimps on the barbie, for that one; dude.
I think this is a question that only history can answer. IMO yes, it is a super fight BUT only if Silva wins and a rubber match happens. For this to become a super fight it has to become part of a story about two greats vying for supremacy that gets retold countless times; it can't just get billed that way.
ICP...you hit it on the nail, when you raise the point or issue, of history.
How many times throughout history, have people failed to appreciate the "historical" moment as it happens, only to have to look back upon it later and with their grandchildren and say...damn, that really was...."X"...and I didn't appreciate it.
This is a super-fight.
"Appreciate it in your time" would be the bumper-sticker on my guitar case, for this one.
"Weidman / Silva II...Where Were You?
69 people agreed with me, I might have to buy a lottery ticket tonight 8O 8)
Entity...seriously, have you ever thought of doing stand-up and I don't mean MMA...I mean comedy. I bet you'd rock a mic @ a club, dude.
yea, but they made me sit down. Maybe I shouldnt choke out Hecklers. 8P
Its a title defense thats it. Honestly everyone is clamoring about Silva's mistakes but in the 1st rd wiedman won caused Silva to use his silly tactics and made him pay for it. I say Wiedman wins again and will remain champ for awhile.
Chris has already said that he welcomes the fight, looks forward to it and that next time, he will beat him in a completely different manner.
I think he's going to be champ for a while, too.
Just a title defence in my opinion. Big question is, will Chris Weidman remain the MW champion? My view, after UFC 162, is that anything is possible in the Octagon.
Grand, that is a huge question and I believe the answer will be yes.
Super fight, why? The first guy was clowning around with his hands down, and the second, by all means clumsier and less skillful one, knocked him out. What is super about that?
FG, if Anderson was clowning with his hands down, then he was doing what he has done in every fight I've ever seen him in.
If Chris is clumsier and less skilled, then how did he win? Luck? Didn't look like luck to me and further, everything we hear about Weidman is about what a savant he is in the gym. So, how can he be a savant and be clumsy and less skilled?
Silva fans should give Chris credit where credit is due. Anderson certainly has. I fail to see why his fans can't do the same.
What is super about this fight, is that Anderson's whole record and maybe even his legacy, is going to be on the line in the next fight.
Again, if people don't see it as such, that' fine, but I believe the value is in this fight to warrant super-fight status.
My view of it, at any rate.
There are snapshots throughout history where some fights were at their time the best available and in that respect there have been quite a few. Anyone as old as me will remember the excitement of Shamrock - Gracie with the same salacious anticipation as many here espouse when talking about Silva Jones, Silva GSP etc. Back in the day Fedor Nog, Hughes Penn, GSP Penn, Rampage Liddell, and quite a few others could all have claimed to be superfights depending on which criteria you use to define exactly what makes a fight a super fight.
MMA has moved on a lot. For me the highest calibre of any two fighters ever facing each other are GSP - Condit and Aldo - Edgar who take the top two spots in either order. Were they super fights? Like the p4p debate always subjective and without clearly defined criteria it's just someone's opinion of which there's many someones.
Is Silva - Weidman a superfight? Not even close IMO. Certainly the anticipation levels will be on a par with any superfight, mainly because a zillion nut huggers will be tuning in hoping and praying their man Silva doesn't fight like a disrespectful idiot again like he has so many times and this time paid the price. Will he fight respectfully, will he win, will Weidman retain the belt and then the endless Silva was past his prime excuses do the rounds? Who knows, but one thing is for certain, Silva was and can possibly still be a great champion, but there is one thing about Silva that sets him aside from other champions and that is he does not, nor never has, carried himself like a champion.
GSP, Fedor, Aldo and others are the true champions. Astoundingly successful but always humble no matter what the fans said about how good they are or were. Silva has acted for a long time like he listens to the **** bangers and truly thinks himself a jedi and that his opponents really do have no chance against him. Hopefully, this come uppance will maybe make Silva humble once again and we might just have the very best of Silva to come now if he changes his attitude.
Azz, you are right, there is no criteria by which to define what is and is not, a super-fight.
I think your assessment of Silva, should he lose, is pretty accurate. Summing it all up, there's a great deal more on the line in this fight for Anderson, then there is for Chris.
For me, value in a fight can make something a super-fight and I think there's so much on the line in this bout, that the value of it is enormous and subsequently, a super-fight. He's the greatest fighter of all time, to win...he's back. To loose...well, that could be that on that and he could end up like Fedor. The greatest until he wasn't and that only took 3 losses in a row; Anderson now has the first of those 3. If he gets a 2nd...will he retire, will he try and stick it out and turn it around...there are so many interesting questions riding on this match, as to be ridiculous.
For those reasons, I believe it's a super-fight.
WTF, Cmon Lowkick
my thoughts exactly!
Hunter, did you not like the question?
Nice avatar, by the way.