Vadim Finkelstein: Fedor Emelianenko is still the best Pound for Pound fighter in the World

fedor - #1

Vadim, just the fuuuck up and just let Fedor fight. In my book Fedor is number one in the world until a heavyweight wins as mamy fights and faces as many great fighters as Fedor faced. But since you are as good as your last fight, for dana sherdog etc..., let Fedor fight and he'll prove himself again.

at this point im dont care....fedor is his client (and there only real card) so hes goin to keep spouting this stuff to make sure fedor stays relevant and they can keep makin money off him...dana no longer wants him as he was beaten by a ufc reject and hence dana feels paying him an unbelievable amount of money (which hed surely have to do to get him in the ufc) is no longer a sound investment and has given up the chase...let him fight bigfoot silva while werdum fights overeem and then fedor overeem should happen....anyting else at this point is pointless

I would hve to disagree, no one can lose and still be considered number 1, when Penn lost, GSP lost and Machida lost there titles they weren't still considered number one in there division so idk y Fedor would be considered number 1 in the world when fighters like Silva and GSP are on like 7 or more fight win streaks where they totally dominated there opponents while Fedor got ground and pounded hard by Rogers and lost to Werdum, so I wouldn't consider him number 1 for now

Fedor is the best p4p in the world and there is NO reason to think otherwise. Have you seen his fights before the last two, come on! What kinda goes a little too unnoticed is how many of Fedors FIGHTING peers regard him as the best in the world, Anderson,BJ,both NoG bros.Shogun, etc.

So...Fedor got grounded and pounded by Rogers? Umm..The last I remember Rogers got knocked flat out and then started crying at the end lol. Werdum just got lucky because Fedor just about knocked him out in the first 10 seconds and Fedor got careless. Fedor is definately the best MMA has ever known.

Hey i would say that to if Fedor was paying me

top 10

and by the way, Mike Tyson recognize Fedor as number one, enough said!

Totally agree, Fedor is still the best. The Verdum fight was very reminiscent of Lesnar v Mir (first fight). Them Sherdog boys are UFC nut huggers. Fedor looked better in his loss against Verdum, than Lesnar did in his win against Carwin. (btw I have nothing against Lesnar)

@Azzer, I hve to disagree with you saying that Fedor/Werdum fight was kinda like Lesnar/Mir 1, Lesnar got caught because he was inexperienced and was his only 2 fight while Fedor lost after being in MMA for more than a decade so i dont think they are similar at all

@Anwar.

Your funny. Here is the deal to what u just said. So now its as many fights as u can win - then your the best in the world? NO NO NO, you got it wrong. Just because I fight 40 18 yr old girls and win all 40 DOES NOT mean Im the best in the world. Its about competition, I've said this before, u can't be the best NFL player if u play in college.

Both Fedor and Vadim are pure idiots. Records dont matter its who and how you fight, Before the Werdum fight Fedor hadnt faced a real opponent since 2005!!!. He is a BUM he only fights against people he can beat CHUMPS like Brett Rogers (A former Stock room employee of SAM'S CLUB!!!) BUMS and HAS-BEENS are the only people that Fedor fights, Vadim fears him fighting anyone that can give him a challenge. He thought that Fedor would rip Werdum up but once the fight started we all saw how bad Fedor is, getting TRIANGLE CHOCKED like a rookie in the first 40 seconds!!!!!!! He has it in his mind that he can just KO every one he faces he dosnt use technique anymore he just tries to punch his way out of situations. He is no longer a top 5 Heavy Weight and anyone that thinks he is knows nothing at all 0! about fighting real mma fighting. there are 6 guys right now in the UFC that would shit on him completely finish him. Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, and Roy Nelson could all beat Fedor they are all bigger stronger and better fighters. I think Sho Gun Rua can beat Fedor as well as Machida and Bones Jones. I think Randy can prob beat Fedor even at his age. Fedor is Fat, Slow, Weak, Short, and obviously dosnt know what hes doing in the Cage against good BJJ fighters. Stay in StrikeFARCE I dont wanna see you waste my time in the UFC. The best fighters fight in the UFC period.

Fedor beat every top guy in Pride which until recent years was the premier organization in the world. watch Fedors' Pride fights and then come back on here with some real knowledge.



PS:The whole analogy you used about Fedor being analogis to a college level football player saying he's the best football player in the world is pure crap buddy.

nah, he's right about the college thing. fedor is the best fighter ever that only fights 2nd rate fighters and guys way past their prime. he's the best midlevel fighter ever.

wow Mike Tyson the convicted rapist golly gosh if Tyson said that it must be true. look you Fedor dik riders face facts Fedor no doubt one of the best ever and still one of the best heavyweights BUT stop the madness he's not fighting the best HW's in the world and probably never will because he is M1 meal ticket and puppet. I love BJ Penn to me he's the best ever but do i have him ahead of GSP or A.Silva no because those 2 are the best P4P whatever order you put them in not Fedor

Tyson said Fedor was his favorite fighter,not that he was the best.

Fedor may be the greatest heavyweight ever but if he wants to be the #1 HW now he will have to fight the top ranked fighters and win.

totally agree, Fedor may have been a great fighter, but any "top" fighter he ever faught was already on a down hill slide. He may have gotten caught in his last fight, but he hasnt exactly impressed me since going to strikeforce, and theres no way hes the best P4P now. That would mean he could beat anyone, and clearly thats not true. Lesnar may not be the best in the world, but for the piss ant russian to talk about him like hes a joke compared to fedor is just sheer ignorance. Fedor would have died if it had been him against carwin, and im sure lesnar would destroy him too. But if im wrong then let him prove it by steping up and fighting in the UFC, hes really just become a greedy little bitch. Screw the promotions just get in the damn cage and fight. BTW whoever compared his last fight to Mir vs. Carwin 1 id just like to say u are a F***ing idiot.

Actually I'm pretty sure Fedors stand up is far superior than Lesnars and would never have been in that position and would have destroyed Carwin when he gassed. Someone said Fedor was more impressive in defeat than Lesnar was in victory and I agree. It is hype and WWE DW glasses that have people deceived into believing how great the UFC HW's are just because the other divisions are strong, when in reality Carwin / Lesnar proved how majorly lacking they really are in terms of all round game / skill / cardio.

lol Ray Finklestein is a joke

What else would anyone expect the guy to say?

Exactly. That's expected. He has to back his fighter.

Vadim Finkelstein has big dreams

fedor is the no 1 HW!!!

one mistake in 10 years and all the UFC fanboys try to make lesnar (5-1^^) the top HW in the world??? give me a break ...thats crazy stuff!!!

Fedor is one of the best fighters of all time.

he may not be the best p4p right now!



but hes still one of the best heavyweights in the world.

thats his first lost in 10 years!



Brock lost in what his first year? he is 5-1? oh man lesnar just started , the heavyweight title means nothing if he got his title fight after 1 win in the UFC , i acknowledge that he got amazing potential , but to claim you are the best in the World! you have to beat most top fighters in recent years not just fight 2 or 3 guys in 1 or 2 years!



i hate when people just throw out the best of the world like it was someting so simple , do people realize theres more than 6 billion people on the world , there are thousands of countries , the world is not just U.S and Brazil



Carwin completly manhandle Brock , and Carwin is still smaller than him , he couldnt take him down , couldnt stand up with him , he got lucky Carwin Gas and it was not because lack of cardio , it was this medical thing he got into the fight.



so until he Knocks out , or manhandle Cain , JDS and Carwin

the title of best in the world will still remain as unknow for any heavyweight period.

carwin gassed because he hit brock with EVERYTHING HE HAD!! it wasnt a medical thing, he punched himself out! what ppl dont realise is that pretty much no1 else in the world couldv taken a beating like that and come back smiling like brock did...its not carwins fault that he gassed, because if he was fighting any1 else he wouldv had a ko victory long before the bell....brocks standup needs work but his wrestling is beyond question...now seemingly his chin is too and on top of that he pullled a submission out of the bag which means hes been working hard....credit where credits due people

couldnt take him down? did u watch the fight? Carwin hits like a truck. He hurt Brock. Prbly would have broken Fedor, but never the less brock did what u need to do when a gorilla is on top hitting u, cover up! he kept fighting back, and knew that carwin was gasing himself, he may be still a new fighter, but those fights came loaded with exp. That was the smartest thing to do is let him keep punching, so long as they werent all landing flush, then in the second Brock took him down and choked him out like a bitch. Lesnar is not the #1 P4P fighter, and all u idiot douche bags who hate on the UFC can suck my left nut. They have the best fighters, promotions, and managment. Say what u will about Dana, but he knows his shit. As far as Fedor, he is great, but u cant say hes the best because he didnt have a mistake for ten years. HE ONLY FIGHTS ONCEA YEAR! thats no champion to me, thats somone whos afraid of losing. And it still happend. Plus that wasnt just a simple mistake in his last fight, if hes sooooo good he never would have left himself open like that. Im not saying hes not one of the best in the world, im just saying all u guys who whorship this guy, and are anti-UFC are ignorant p.o.s. Watch the sport for what it is, watch the fighters for who they are, and then make an educated guess as to who is the best. But at the end of the day ull never know until u see it in the cage.

Actually Carwin lost that fight Rigo. That's what it means when you tap. The only thing Carwin's first round flurry against Lesnar proved, is that Lesnar has the best chin in MMA. Nobody else could have survived it, including Fedor. And, Lesnar's loss to Frank was the result of a horrible stand-up. It was going to be one of the fastest knockouts in UFC history, and it was going to be the 2nd fastest debut knockout victory. Francis was seconds from losing.



How many fights did Fedor have before he fought someone on Frank's level? 20? He's never fought anyone like Shane.



"the heavyweight title means nothing if he got his title fight after 1 win in the UFC"



Makes zero sense. If he had been given the shot and lost, you might have a point. He won it, and defended it, against the #1 contender. He has the belt that all serious HW's are shooting for. And it wasn't handed to him, he took it.

sure but when brock lost he was still not experienced. he just started fighting before he developed more. wait till you see him in 2 or 3 years. i don't think he's better than fedor p4p. but he has a lot more lbs. on him, and that with his wrestling would still beat fedor unless he got ko'd before the takedown. doubt that tho, after seeing brocks chin.

Lesnar getting title shot so soon at 2 - 1 shows how weak the division really is. Fedor done alot more to Herring in prime than Lesnar did to Herring in decline. No other division does a debutant get title shot after a 2-1 record. carwin had to go the long route to title and only got $40k for fight!!! Werdum made $100k against fedor.



Is UFC really the best?



I believe they have a good percentage of the best in most divisions, but in p4p terms the HW's are bottom of the rung as few of them are well rounded, Lesnar awful stand up, Carwin awful cardio etc etc, so keep telling yourself they are the best. If you believe the DW hype machine you probably believe WWE is totally real wrestling also and not choreographed.

he got the title shot cuz randy had retired, and came back under the condition that he fight brock. he thought brock was the biggest challenge. you don't even know what your talking about.

Wow! You do hate Fedor. For your information, Fedor fought at least TWICE a year. It is more than any UFC HWs, except Dos Santos. Check any of your source before highlighting your exceptional knowledge.

fedor is defently the top hw

lesnar is so over rated i like to see lesnar vs ovreem

i just hop that cain smashes him

cain wont smash him, and then hell have beaten randy, mir, carwin and cain but im sure u lesnar haters will still say hes over-rated? haha fedor is the past my friends, brock is the future, so get used to it

Fedor is the past and the present. At 32 Brock has not past and no future. Cain and Dos Santos are the future.

idk if brocks the future, but fedor is def. not. and wooder, just so u know.....and this may be a shock, but overeem is a bitch. whoops, did i say that? sry, i mean i just cant help saying it since u know......its true. He may be a good fighter ya ill give u that. but if u think he could take punches from lesnar or carwin id just like to tell u to watch the overeem v lidell fight. and then maybe ull take off ur douche glasses and see that he is indeed....a bitch.

Overeem is world class kickboxer, and if you think for a second he wouldn't take Brock out you are mistaken. I agree Brock on top would cause Overeem problems, but I doubt very much it would ever get there. Overeem although having suspect jaw is much stronger now and his stand up is probably better than Carwins. He wouldnt blow after 3 minutes either.

at 32 brock is the hw champ of the world with 6 fights to his name. thats incredible. fedor is the past, he is past it, if he fights overeem his head will be on a plate.

Fedor would hardly be considered a contender in the UFC. And, his dominant past was in Japan, where everybody looks better.

If Fedor is still motivated and wants to fight, he will enter the next weigh-in less flappy. Would really like to se Fedor in good shape.



Still consider him N1 all time, But not the best at this moment.

if fedor lost that flab he wouldnt be a heavyweight.

Just thought he looked extra soft last time around... ;]

Fedor WAS the best heavyweight at least up to 2008. Times are changing and you have to admit that he is not the best right now.

I wouldnt say he is the best P4P in the world, but in terms of best heavyweight, i think he might take that title. Its stupid that people think brock is so good and hes fought so few times to even prove himself. i would like to see fedor vs brock. itll never happen though

didnt fedor just get beat?

Lesnar got 1 loss alwredy and Carwin wupped Lesnar's ass big time the bigest ass woping iw seen long time UFC HW are totaly ovarated who beats Mir and Randy gets title shot Vera KO'd Mir to.For me UFC got two good champions Shogun and GSP the rest suck Anderson gona get kicked out soon win or lose dont forget wath im saying

I wont forget "wath" your saying. I'll remember to bring it up after UFC 117. =)

There's a reason that you won't find anybody but children to agree with you mokoko. Think about it.

He's not even close to the best HW in the world, let alone the best P4P in the world. He's not even the best HW in Strikeforce.

Fedors camp can only blame themselves for this. They had the opportunity to fight the best in UFC but didnt. Nuff said. Still fan of Fedor tho

Fedor #1,PERIOD!!!!

don't like it?

F**K YOU!

In my opinion, Fedor was #1 in the world until Vadim tarnished (and continues to tarnish) his legacy.



At this point, due to horrible management decisions, there are too many top Heavyweights that he has never fought, and that his management has dodged. It's hard for anyone to 100% truthfully say that he's #1 in the world when he has not even fought half of the current top 5 (if you remove him from wherever you rank him).



It's not Fedors fault, either. It's his management 100%. Sad that there is questions to a man who was at one time undisputed #1 P4P... even though its for reasons that were not his own doing.



This man is ruining it even more every time he speaks. After the fight he said Fedor would fight whoever SF wanted. Then he mentioned finally fighting Overeem. Now hes "going to do everything in his power for a rematch with Werdum". What a bastard. How could the man thats single handedly ruining his fighters legacy claim these things?

IMO he was the undisputed #1, in Japan. If he went back to Japan, he would look like his old self. The level of competition is just dramatically different.



IMO he has nothing to offer Lesnar, or Shane, or Cain, or JDS, or Overeem. etc. He's one of the greats certainly, but Shane and Cain and Lesnar and JDS are only getting better. They'll continue getting better for years. And where they're at now, they would beat Fedor. The gap is only increasing.

You can say there's too many top HW's now Fedor hasn't fought. You could say the same about many UFC HW's also and they have more to prove than Fedor so in my book he is still #1 as he has proven a complete mma game in terms of stand up, cardio, ground game / subs, durability and finishing ability. You cannot say that about many other HW's at the moment (if any). He may soon be past his best and in decline as he has had many battles and has competed in Sambo for may years. he may retire, but for now he still #1. Brock needs to fight 3 times a years and win the next 4 or 5 before i'll credit him as best in the world, as well as demonstrate he is a complete fighter and not a 1 trick pony. All other great champions are complete fighters and that is why they are so great. Fedor is the only complete HW in that regard right now.

yeah its dumb. you never do an instant rematch when a fight gets finished like that. you do it for bad judging calls and decisions or cuts that stopped a great fight. this guy is a weasel. he's ruining fedor and destroying what is still good about him. i don't think fedors the best in the world either but it'd be nice to see where he stacks up in the ufc.

That's the problem though. When it comes to Lesnar, Shane, Cain, JDS, Overeem.... the only thing any of us has to offer is opinion. We really dont know what would happen if you put them in the ring together. And it sucks.



We all have our opinions of what would happen if you put him in the ring, but who really knows? We'll never really know with Vadim unless he wakes the hell up and realizes he is ruining his fighters legacy. That's not how a manager should handle himself.

They are better because they are bigger!

Where do you think UFC champions like Silva and Rua used to fight? Japan you fool along with many other top names that UFC bought out when they bought Pride. Pride proved back then it was better than UFC and Fedor has beaten many UFC HW champs over the years so go figure.

Yeah Conan, smart. That must be why Bob Sapp and HMC are two of the best ever huh? Because they're big.



There are weight divisions for a reason. If Fedor can't compete against HW's, he can't compete against HW's.

I meant with all other aspects aside, they have size advantage. If Fedor goes to LHW devision, than his haters would jump saying he has this size advantage. He cannot win in whatever he does.

One point... People overstate the distinction between Fedor, and Fedor's management. They work for him. People who do this in general (not necessarily referring to you), tend to be people who want to believe what they want to believe about Fedor. So they look for supporting rationalizations. It's not Fedor avoiding the top fighters, he is forced to do what his managers command that he do. etc. I don't buy it. He wants to be a politician, he wanted to coast and retire undefeated (which was the reason for joining SF in the first place). Can you imaging Lesnar or Shane's people telling them who they will fight and what they will do? I don't think anybody makes Fedor do anything he doesn't want to do.



We can't know about Fedor, which is the point IMO. His leaving it open to speculation is preferable to fighting these people and losing half the time. The only thing we can judge by, is looking at the common opponents and see how they've done.



Werdum for instance is a good example. What did JDS do to him, compared to what Fedor did to him?



It's up to Fedor to give us all something more tangible to go on. He's got no excuse to be in Strikeforce. Very few people consider him to be the #1 P4P or the #1 HW anymore. Only people like mokoko still argue that it's the responsibility of every HW in the UFC to shred their contract and go chase Fedor in an organization that will just hide him and protect him anyway.

IMO if Fedor's people are responsible for anything, it's giving bad advice, and nothing else. And, Fedor doesn't live in a bubble, he reads comments like yourself talking about his management. He knows what people want to see, and he knows where the top competition is.

that is a good point. i still think his manager is a weasel. and both of them want to avoid the best competition.

Basically, for Fedor to remain great, he needs to go to the UFC and beat Dos Santos, Cain, Shane and Brock one by one.

Regarding Dos Santos, if he meets Werdum again, it would be a different story. Werdum did not take him seriously and lost. On the other hand, Dos Santos could not do anything for 3 rounds with deeply depressed Mirko Cro Cop, who basically was afraid to fight. Werdum would eat Mirko alive.

Let me ask one question. In our opinion, is Overeem a legitimate opponent for Fedor? According to many opinions, Overeem would beat the shit out of Fedor since he is better in every aspect.

Fedor did openly admit that Vadim is completely handling the discussions and negotiations with UFC, and that he had nothing to do with them.



For some reason, he just trusts the man to do whats best for him and doesnt even handle his own business.

**** sake, i knew it wouldnt be long before all this shit started again. Fedor got beat, he cant be the best p4p or best heavyweight in the world anymore. Its just the way it works! Will he still be the best when overeem ****s him? Infact he probably will be in alot of your eyes because he had some good wins 5 years ago. By the way chuck liddell is still the best light heavyweight in the world, he must be because he was unstoppable 3 years ago.

Did GSP stop being the best in the world when Serra beat him? Does Federer stop being #1 because of a single loss? If in MMA a fighters last fight is all you assess and rate them on it's a pretty pizz porr way of doing it. I agree he cant be best p4p because there were others close to him that have won, but in the HW division in UFC there wasn't a single fighter close to Fedor in terms of record or ability and so 1 loss does not mean he is no longer the top HW. Unless of course we only judge on 1 fight at a time in which case BJ Penn should be below anyone who won their last fight as he lost.

GSP, Silva, Aldo, Fedor



Thats just my opinion.

Remember he's still is Undefeated in the UFC, he's Middleweight champion and broken 2 of the UFC's records

Yeah I hate how he says the best fighter and not the best heavyweight when clearly Anderson is the best.

I am anxious to see what he does after the loss to Werdum. I think whoever he fights will be beat. Business decision on Dana' part or not if Brock wanted him bad enough Dana would of made this fight happen.

M-1 too. They have much to do with this fight not happening as Dana. Rest assure Dana has a plan to get him back at the table and after the Overeem fight(if it is confirmed) Dana will get Fedor in the UFC. He wants him he is the Vince Mcmahn of MMA. Don King too.

sherdog p4p is bull$hit. bj penn goes from 5 to 5 after losing....Fedor DROPS OUT OF LIST FROM 3rd spot after losing..........rest of list all ufc wec fighters.....ufc and sherdogs obviously business partners

This guy is a ****ing joke, he needs to take a page from his fighter n shut up, take the loss like a man. We all know Silva, GSP passed him once he lost.

i think vladim has a genuine point here although dana isnt claiming brock s the P4P best in the world, i think right now at this current moment brock is the #1 heavyweight in the world but i think in a rematch with carwin, a superfight against overeem and HOPEFULLY one day the fedor fight we can only realistically judge as to wether brock is the genuine best heavyweight in the world.

F E D O R!

UFC HW devision sucks the best HW right now are in SF.Iw never seen any get beat up like Lesnar did and Carwin zero cardio the last fight prowed it all

Anderson probably gona get his ass kicked and GSP i dont think is better than Shields any way

Are you 5 years old dude?

the baddest man on the planet

Oh come on now Finkle

Lets try to get this into perspective. Well to a degree, if we go by last fights vs overall career. From last fight; Fedor lost, he's no longer #1 HW in the world, therefore the top HW would have to be Brock/Werdum/Cain (because he's the next opponent for Brock). If we consider Fedor's career as a whole than he was one of the greatest fighters in MMA along side others, like Anderson, GSP, BJ. Now personally i would put Fedor first due to him being unbeatable for 10 years, Anderson,GSP,Bj cannot say that. No need to spew crap about his last opponents, every fighter fights mediocre opponents at one point or another, Fedor's opponent were he could get at that particular time. I think we just have to put Fedor into perspective and what criteria you wish to rank as. Last performance or overall career to date.

I don't think he has it on overall career either. Georges and Anderson are smashing the best competition in the world. If they were dominating in SF, or in Japan, it would be different. But, they're in an organization that doesn't play games with scheduling. The fighters don't have the leeway to manipulate the circumstances so that they can hold a belt for years and years without ever fighting, like Overeem. Anderson and Georges are fighting the best, in the best organization.

what do you mean by 'i don't think he has it on overall career" Of course he has a career, and a whole career up to last fight, from first to last fight thats his career. Fedor fought in the best organization and was undefeated, pride at that time was by far the better organization, especially when it comes to HW's. Affliction basically brought in the best they could get to fight Fedor. If Michael Jordan played in the NBA (but had to leave due to management problems), to play in the lower class league, would you discredit his accomplishments? No.



on a side note. Anderson lost twice in Pride, should that discredit him? No, and his opponents were not the best Ryo Chonan (17-11), Daiju Takase (9-13), not the best of records. So, if Anderson lost in Pride and unbeaten in UFC what does that say about somebody who's undefeated in Pride?



I just want to point out that there is an overall career vs last fight. Canadian National Hockey league does not win everything, they lose here and there, but they are considered the best overall, and are usually the favorites in every international competition.

It didn't say he hasn't had an impressive career. And his last fight has very little bearing on my opinion. My opinion didn't change at all because of the Werdum fight. He's wasn't going to go undefeated against the real competition, and no objective person should have expected him to.



He's not losing now because he's old, he's struggling because he's not fighting in Japan. Lesnar is the same age. Carwin is older. And, Lesnar was putting more damage in to his body in Retard-Wrestling, in a single night, than Fedor has sustained over his career. Everybody suddenly gets miraculously old once they leave Japan and fight in the west. It's a massive coincidence...



(just a preemptive aside, the few exceptions of Pride fighters coming over and continuing to do well, are just that. Exceptions. The vast majority of fighters from Pride had no chance to transition. Most of those who were given a shot, have looked mediocre.)



There's no way Fedor could approach Anderson or Georges when it comes to career record, not if he had been fighting the caliber of fighters in the UFC hw, or lhw divisions today. Also, if you average their respective levels of competition, there's no comparison. Fedor beat a lot of bums, to go along with his impressive wins.



Grade Fedor on a P4P-career curve and he's closer anyway. Simply because he's fighting above his weight class. That makes it more impressive.

Can you please back up your argument because all i read was a massive rant without any weight. But i fear arguing with you logically would be like fighting Maia when i'm Anderson.

@ Tender: Get used to Ston3pony. He rarely substantiates his views with decent logic, and makes statements sometimes that show his ignorance of MMA in general. He doesn't even consider how he puts down Pride and praises UFC but doesn't realise 2 current UFC champions fought in Pride way before UFC along with a few ex UFC champs who were also in Pride before UFC, and dismisses it purely because he thinks it adds strength to his Fedor not the best arguement.



I have pointed out many of his errors many times but I think his picnic is a sandwich short some days.

Fedor needs to manage his own career and stop working for these guys who are holding him back.

I still think he is one of the best but he needs to fight elite competition or go to the UFC to maintain any sort of P4P legitimacy.

Finkeltein doesnt know crap....His Fedor has fought guys on the downhill of their career. Of course he is going to talk big on his fedor, he better, he is the manager. But face it, even Werdum was cut from the UFC because he wasn't cutting it and he got knocked out by a young upincoming fighter Dos Antos. We can talk all day long about Fedors accomplishments but there isnt much conversation about the present. Why in the hell does fedor get a rematch to the champ you he lost against. That is not the way its done. Strikefarce is treating Fedor like he was their champ. Bullcrap, Overeem should be next to face Werdum. I dont get it, Fedor is the greatest but he doesnt have any belt from the orgnization he represents. I guess he is the greatest in everyone elses mind..

Werdum was cut not because of his loss, it was a contract dispute. I like to argue about Fedor because there no right answer. So lets look at this objectively. Lets consider his last fights after pride.



Werdum is 33, and is mid-career, ranked either 10th or just outside.

Brett Rogers was an up and comer at 29 and undefeated until Fedor. Arlovski was ranked in the top 10 (3rd i think), was 30 when he fought Fedor, and was Mid-career and still is.

Tim Sylvia was 32 when he fought Fedor, was also ranked in the top ten and also mid-career, but arguably near the end of his career, he's still only 34.

Choi Hong-man, was 26 when he fought, actually very early in his career in MMA. But was not ranked high at all, you get no argument from me about this match up. Only that he's 265+ and 7'2".

Matt Lindland was 37 at the time, most likely nearing his career, he's now 40.



I think that actually shows that he's been fighting higher ranked fighters as the time progressed after Pride. Statistically speaking.



You could easily say that Brett has beaten nobodies. Don't actually know what you could say about Arlovski, most people had him ranked as high as 3rd best HW until the Fedor fight. Whom also had a string of victories. Tim Sylvia, was overrated and never deserved to be HW champion in the UFC. Werdum sucks because he got knocked out by Dos Santos.

Had Carwin beat Lesnar everyone would have been on his nuts saying how great he is, but he also has beaten mainly nobodies, but many many people thought he was gonna win and dominate and be better than Fedor was in years to come. as it was he is far from a complete fighter like so many UFC HW's and everyone is foolish enough to believe they are as great as the hype machine tells them.

after reading most of these comments I have realized that the fedor lovers are holding on 2 a sinking ship. Why is it that fedor does not fight in the UFC? Instead he circles around about 3 or 4 guys 2 fight. Fedor vs werdun, fedoir vs overreem, fedor vs rogers, and the circle continues. Why not come into the UFC and take on somebody? I dont care who just fight in the big leagues for crying out loud!!!!

I would add to that also, that DW is in the business for himself and the Fertillas. Not MMA, not us fans, for himself. If this wasn't the case we would have seen Fedor / Couture but DW blocked it as he is all about the dollar.

I would say that Fedor lovers argument is that the UFC HW has not yet proven to compete with Fedor.

Cain - beat Nog and Congo only, not exactly the top competition.

Shane - Gonzaga and Mir, Mir- is top 10

Brock - Couture, Mir and Shane, good record.

Dos Santos - Werdum, Cro Cop, Gonzaga and Yvel.



I just don't see the top competition. Except Brock, they all had way weaker opponents than Fedor. After Brock -Cain fight, I would say, that either of the two is the top competition for Fedor.

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fedor only got that massive record because he fought in the pride grand prix, which as we all know pitted top fighters like wandy, fedor and big nog against poor enough japanese fighters and then after a couple of fights against each other....so fedors 'brilliant record' comes mostly from him beating a couple of nobodys and 1 or 2 decent guys in quick succession...its the same with a lot of pride fighters, and the reason brock wont get a record like that, is because he will ONLY fight the best because he wants to be (and probably is) the best

seems like they only want to fight werdum again, sucks imo.

Whoever Fedor fights he gets complaints. He now wants to fight the only guy to ever beat him by legal stoppage. I guess he's ducking someone else right? Well maybe ask him to fight everyone at once and then you can STFU. Did GSP get accused of ducking when he wanted the Serra rematch? Noooooo. Is BJ ducking for having rematch with Edgar? Noooooo. so what the fuk is the problem with fedor having one?

I think Fedor has lost his #1 P4P fighter because of this lost. Yes i understand that he made a mistake BUT a lost is still a lost and you can't considered number 1 if you lose this is not Fedor bashing (Fedor is my hero) or me agreeing with Dana White (who I'm not a big fan of) it's just a fact. For example if a world number 1 tennis player gets beaten by the worlds number two and has been surpassed in world ranking points he wont be (the former number 1) number 1 any more.



Now what i really want to see is Fedor the champion to climb his way back to the top and decimate the competition like he used to do THEN we will see why Fedor Emelianenko has been and will be number 1 Pound for Pound greatest fighter in the world.....

Either way, I'm sure if you look at all the threads about Fedor, you'll see a substantial amount of posts and arguments. He has to be the most talked about MMA athlete.

yeah, this argument has gotten really old. the only people that think fedor is the best are people who seem to hate the UFC for whatever reason. And hate Brock. I don't think Brock will ever be the p4p best. But maybe is the hardest hw to beat right now. Imagine if you could shrink Fedor down to welterweight or lightweight. Let's say featherweight or bantamweight. The best at those weights would destroy him. Imagine if he was Jose Aldo's size fighting with the same technique he has right now. That's why the p4p argument is ridiculous. He's a great fighter. He just shouldn't even be mentioned in a p4p list though.

How can you possibly know how a fighter is going to perform at a certain level unless they have done so. I'm sure if the guys you mentioned were HW they would get eaten by Brock and all the others. It's just a silly argument. If he fights the same way, of course he's not going to fight the same way. I'm sorry but thats just a very very stupid point.

People think that fedor is the best for several reasons, and it isn't because they hate UFC.



Firstly it is a given fact that the UFC hypes up their fighters and because some divisions have a depth of world class well rounded fighters, noobies or the inept of mind fail to see the UFC HW division has always been very weak, and there are budding stars now but as yet few have fought each other, and have made their names beating mainly bums (something Fedor gets accused of quite alot, but in reality UFC HW's are much more guilty of this).



The last UFC HW title fight, although exciting and entertaining, demonstrated major major flaws in two of their best fighters games. Anyone who believes Carwin or Brock have any p4p credentials are insane. they are both bottom of any p4p lists as take away their size and look at their all round game they both fall way short. Fedor does not. He hits nearly as hard as brock or Carwin with alot less weight and he has complete all round game.



Finally, One of the new UFC HW's may surpass Fedor in the near future in current HW terms, but UFC's azzlickin Sherdog rankings mean nothing. But none have as yet demonstrated the skill set or record that fedor has and 1 single loss is not enough to remove him from #1 as he was light years ahead of UFC HW's in the first place.

Right now, Lesnar maybe the #1 HW but of all time it is definitely Fedor. One way to know who is the best right now if Fedor joins UFC and takes on the like of Lesnar, Carwin, etc.

How can you consider someone like Fedor the best right now when he hasn't even fought the top contenders in his weight division? It's crazy to even compare him to Silva or GSP because at least those guys have cleaned out there divisions and Fedor hasn't. There are still a lot of good matchups for Fedor that I would love to see for him to prove himself and those are in the UFC. And honestly, there aren't even any interesting fights anymore for Silva and GSP in their weight class unlike Fedor that's why fans are so hungry for superfights (with all due respect to their contenders right now). I mean, sure Fedor has beaten the Nogueiras and the Cro Cops but that was years ago, and there will always be new guys that are hungrier out there that work hard everyday that can exceed Fedor as fighter. The sport is evolving and it is a different time and to say that Fedor is the best based on what he has done before is insane the guys he beat aren't even at the top of the heat in the heavyweight division of the UFC anymore because a new breed of fighters have arrived (Brock lesnar, cain, carwin, dos santos, nelson, mir) and how can you say that a fighter is the best right now if he hasn't even fought a single one of them?. Yeah sure he may be 32-2 but i got a lot more respect for a fighter who has a 5-1 record and fights the BEST and works his ass off rather than someone who has a 100-0 record and doesn't fight top competition. Also, if he's blaming the UFC for not co-promoting then screw him, M-1 Global ain't as half as good as the UFC and any businessman with brains would not co-promote because that would make M-1 seem as if it is on the same level as the UFC in that is not good for business. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame it on Fedor, in the end, behind this co-promotion thing and his manager Vadim Finkelstein, the decision will always be made by him, if he really wants to fight the best in the world then he can always do it. But right now, it just seems very unlikely for him to sign in the ufc that's why I don't give him half the respect I give to real top fighters today.

You seem to be under the illusion the UFC hW's are so great. they are all unproven to any real length. Look at their opponents and you will see that. Don't be so gullible to DW's hype.

Fedor is definately the best. Werdum got lucky because Fedor got careless after he just about knocked him out. It's obvious Fedor went for the kill and got careless...duh. Also, Fedor did great in the Brett Rogers fight. He was throwing him all around the ring I mean, so what if Brett Rogers got a couple of shots in he's a professional fighter I would hope he could hit him at least a couple of times. Fedor knocked his big, black ass out and it was soooo funny.

Anything you say about Fedor you can say about anyone else. I dont care who he fought...If you fight for 10 years without being beaten by all of those professional MMA fighters your definately the best. The problem is that he DID fight some of the best in the world...lol. The only people that say he isnt the best fighter are lovers of the UFC (see I can say the same thing) because they really think the UFC fighters are the best when I know they are hyped up from promotions and they arent the best.

I have been following the MMA action since 2007 watching tons of MMA videos, PRIDE UFC STRIKEFORCE M1 w/e. If you asked me who is the best MMA hw ever , i would certainly pick the 2005 Fedor. He was the undisputed no1 back in the day no doubt about it, and im pretty certain he would crash all the big names out there today. But if you watched all his fights u got to admit that Fedor is not in his prime anymore. He didnt look as impressive in his fight against arlovski-even though he won- or rogers or werdum.Compare these fights with those against Nog,Mirko , Herring Tim etc and u will understand what i say. He is either getting old(a man's prime in MMA is different from person to person,it could be 25 or 30 or 35,its genes)or training less. If u asked me who is the best MMA hw today, i would say "i dont know". It could still be fedor(esp if he made a strong comeback,making a big step forward and signing in the UFC to be tested),it could be brock(esp if he improves his stand-up skills),could be Carwin(esp if he works out to improve his cardio),Cain,Junior,Overeem etc. Lots of big names and the only way to find out whos best is to fight under the same organisation,and the way things are right now,and even though i dont really like DW, that should be in the UFC