lol @ a dude with both knees on the mat "trying to get up", he acted way worse than jorge ever did. his post-fight antics were deplorable.
like i know eh cheal talked way worse the bisping did and u didnt see him spittign on coaches and fighting un fair
Rivera should've stayed down. He was noticeably slower after that knee. He tried to show professional respect by treating it as a mistake and trying his best to fight through it. But it was obviously purposeful; Bisbing is a cheater and is lying about it being a mistake. Rivera wasn't even close to being up. You don't throw the knee while one knee is down, much less *both* being down.
If he would've stayed down, then they could fight again sometime. I wanted to see a fair fight between the two. Now the fight is tarnished forever. That sucks. But to be honest, I also wish Rivera would've stayed down and given Bisbing a loss if for no other reason than to punish him for being such a d*ickhead.
Is Nick Ring serious he is pulling a Garcia he knows he lost that fight, and his face knows it to.
Agreed! He is also a compulsive liar. The whole world saw him SPIT at the coaches and he is saying that both incidents were "accidents"....he makes us Brits look like di*ks....
I don't say I disagree with you about Bisping but Jorge was being dominated hard before the knee and had Bisping not done that he might have finished the fight right there. Was a very one sided and mismatched fight.
huh. its interesting that you thought Rivera's striking got worse. it seemed to me that he was using angles better and was throwing combos and mixing it up better after the Knee. for some reason all of the British fighters seem to have a little chip on their shoulders except for Ross Pearson. even though Teak U.K. made team U.S.A. look like a bunch of whiny bitches on TUF.
The knee was definitely illegal and was in no way the right thing to do, but to me it really seemed like Jorge was playing to it a lot. Watch the replay: he gets hits, rubs his head a bit and is about to stand up and keep going. It's only when the clock stops and the ref calls the doc over that he starts slumping into the ground and clutching at his skull. i don't think he was concussed, i think he was just buying time or maybe something else. All I know is i don't respect fighters who pretend to be badly hurt when they aren't.
did you see how his head whipped back, he was definitely concust
overhand right, i totally agree. it was a good knee, but Jorge looked fine right after it landed and his striking and footwork actually improved after the knee. one thing i noticed is that fighters that fake concussions wont look the ref in the eyes because they're focusing on the act and anyone who lies usually feels uncomfortable looking who they're lying to in the eyes. if a fighter is concussed, he is confused. he should be looking at the refs and his corner men, as all fighters do right after they get knocked out. seemed fairly obvious to me, once you've had a few concussions you know what is going on in those fighters heads at that moment. but im not a psychic so i could be totally wrong.
There is no doubt he wasn't to badly hurt by that knee, watch it again if you doubt that. It was mostly an act to make sure he got the point.
So he was pullin a Koscheck move??
Could it of been he didnt no where the **** he was...You ever been hit with a knee....Ya kinda go blank for a min....i think the rubbin of the head was a " I wish i could to disney world moment"..you have no clue where you are or why you are where you are...him lookin like he is prayin is him tryin to get his brain back...
JP86, please read my entire comment before you write a rebuttal next time. i talk about how when fighters get concussed they look to their cornermen and they look at the ref to know what the situation is because like you said "you have no clue where you are or why you are where you are". watch what all fighters do after they get knocked out, they look at the cornermen or the ref. and yes i've been hit with a knee but not while i was downed like that. but i know concussions, and that man was not concussed.
i no concussions too...i have gotten hit so hard by a blindside hit in a football game i started walkin back to what i thought was my sideline...turned out iwas actaully walkin to the gate to leave the field...i also never said he got a concussion!!! Just makin a statement about how he prolly didnt no what to do....you dont have to have a concussion to not no where you are!! Just sayin buddy...no disrespect ment!!!
actually to get hit in the head and not know where you are is a concussion. its part of a definition of a concussion. there's levels of concussion (a K.O. being the most severe). so if you are saying Rivera was confused, then he had to have had a concussion. if you are saying Rivera didn't have a concussion that means he was faking because then he couldn't have been disoriented.
Mayo Clinic definition of concussion: A concussion is a traumatic brain injury that alters the way your brain functions. Effects are usually temporary, but can include problems with headache, concentration, memory, judgment, balance and coordination.
I agree i think it was played a bit but rightfully so with such a bad move. wether it hurt him or not it should have been and was a point deduction.
Remember last time that Wanderlei was KO, he was still throwing punches on his way down, what I mean is that it was just the instict of surviving to an attack like that, Bisping grab his head and threw that knee like if Rivera was standing and in the clinch, Rivera has a lot of heart there is no doubt about that...
i dont know why you have so many weaks, thats excactly what i thought. in the replay his head is barly whipped back, and besides its bisping, since when did he have devastating power, illegal move or not. in pride people would take shots like those and keep going. jorge definetly played into it and it worked because some people actually think that jorge couldve one if it wernt for the knee
lol. people are giving me weaks but ive had my ass handed to me by four guys at once. i got kicked in the head when after i got knocked down multiple times and i was on my feet less than 10 seconds later. i know i got hit harder than Rivera multiple times, 3 out of 4 were college football players, and i kinda doubt im tougher than Rivera. the man was faking. but go ahead. bring the weaks.
lemme be a little more specific. the second i hit the ground it was nothing but kicks and punches. i got hit too many times to possibly count in what was probably about 10 seconds. 3 of these guys weighed over 230 lbs. after those 10 seconds i wasn't as rocked as Rivera was playing and i got hit harder, more times, and im no professional fighter. you all can assume im making this up, but im not. Rivera was acting it up almost without doubt. but the point deduction was deserved.
you have so many weaks because there alot of idiots and biased bisping haters on this site
Did anybody knee you in the face??
i really hope this isnt the end for BJ, he seems the most upset ive ever seen him. If he comes in with that attitude for the rematch then i dont even wanna watch it
Siver vs. Guillard would be sick!
i wana see siver vs meynard
Guillard already KOed Siver.
yes siver is a great striker but i hate when ufc starts claiming stuff like sivers one of the best strikers in the division.... he got destroyed by guillard on the feet.
Think that would be a sick match-up
I think Chael Sonnen vs Bisping is an excellent fight. If Bisping thought Rivera crossed a line, Sonnen will probably make him cry. And hey, who wouldn't want to see Bisping on his back getting punched in the face for 15 minutes.
not much left to say.... just agree.
Bispings ground game is good, and his takedown defense is good. I suspect it would not be a 1 sided beating like u think it would.
i would be happy if i never had to listen to cheals shit talking ever agian
Um yes it would. Bisping is not even close to a top ten fighter. Whenever he fights anyone remotely good he will be destroyed. Look what an aging hendo did. Good on the ground? Let's see him fight anyone that is considered tough. Chael as much as I hate him is on another level. Wanderlei silva, rashad Evans etc. He gets schooled by good fighters. His only opponent of a tough nature is akiyama. He pulled of a decision there.
Give it up "****lick", Bisping sucks.
Chael would take Bisping down, Chael is the best at it in the MW division.
You often make good points, I think you make a great point in actually agreeing with Michael. He has been schooled by great fighters, (Silva, Rashad and of course Hendo.
You probably also agree that to fight and learn from your mistakes is a big part of what makes fighting such an amazing pursuit for martial artists and fighters alike.
Would it not be counter intuitive for someone to expect that Michael had not learnt and improved as a result of his defeats?
Did Big Nog learn from his defeats, how about Randy Couture...
Perhaps you would like to establish a real position here by naming the Ten specific fighters ranked above him. You may also wish to summarize the specific capabilities they have which would turn the fight in their favour against Michael.
Ps, I agree that Chael Sonnen could be a dream killer with Michael. I imagine he would need all of his schooling and more to put this fight away. What would it mean if he did finsih Sonnen? (Without kicking him in the head)?
"Michael"? Who are you, his mother?
The limits of your language are the limits of your world.
Perhaps your ability to respond is based around your communicative capacity and as a result, I will refuse to have a battle of wits with a person who is clearly unarmed.
Say hi to your mom for me!
I will answer your last question first. It would mean nothing except he is moving up the ranks. Everyone has there cryptonite, bad night, injury, and bad luck. I hate when people compare fighters that haven't fought yet and say he would beat so and so because he beat this guy. It surely is a guage for talent when you rack up wins against great opponents though.
Mike hasn't done that. He has lost to his toughest opponents. Akiyama went out there with a ridiculous gameplan. But mike did beat him so he has beat one tough fighter.
He is a good fighter but I wouldn't say great. He doesn't have the toolbag to even spar with AS. I would say chael, okami,marquart,Franklin,Maia,Belford,Stann,Silva,maybe even Santiago would most likely beat bisping. The weakest being Franklin.
Personally I can't stand Bisping. I think he is getting better but because one makes mistakes does not mean one learns from them. Especially people like bisping. Spitting on your opponents team? Even the Diaz brothers haven't gone that far. The guy is a jerk andthe only reason he is t fired is because hens the Uk poster boy.
Now that I think about it I would love to see nick Diaz fight bisping. I bet he could move up and destroy mike too. He is getting better but why didn't he fight a top ten guy? Why if he is that good did he not get a better opponent? The ufc seems to be putting marketable fights together rather than the best match ups.
Another thing I found funny, was/is the fact that Akiyama (who Bisping beat) is fighting Nate Marquardt at UFC 128. Bisping who is coming off a win over Akiyama fights Jorge and Akiyama fights Nate..... I think that was a bit backwards.... The UFC are obviously trying to build his record up, as he is popular in the UK.
Thanks for the feedback.
I especially agree with your point regarding the UFC putting together marketable fights. I think the only way that Michael can get a title shot is by being given opponents which will support his development.
I believe that it is a marketing decision to build Michael in this way and so if we do agree this is true then I guess it is understandable how some fight fans are outraged by the positioning he has received from the UFC.
When we look at the bigger picture, Michael is a great marketing tool because he stirs up so much resentment from Anti-English people in the USA, Australia, Germany... he is also being used as the face of British MMA at this time.
From a business development perspective this makes perfect sense, (if my presumptions are true) - for the development of MMA it could be argued either way that this is good for the long term development of the sport. Personally I would say it is good for the development of the sport and it definately creates amusing dialogue between pro and antagonists...
I personally began martial arts as a way to improve myself as a teenager and loved the opportunity to fight without sending the other person to hospital. I believe that when these dialogues are used constructively we can help many more new comers get involved with MMA and as a result positively benefit the lifestyles of many children whose other potential pursuits could be drugs or crime...
I understand your point that Michaels actions were not in keeping with the profile that MMA should be developing with its core or target audience and although it is easy to argue from a rational perspective that it was an accident, I do feel like he kneed Jorge out of anger (now I have had 24 hours plus to think about it) - the spitting etc is unacceptable too...
The UFC have approved of the reasoning Michael has used and the story continues...
Ps, Looking at your list there are only 9 fighters, I think we both agree that he is not top 5 but lets be fair about this top 10 is probably an accurate reflection of his position. Wouldn't you agree now you consider this?
Yep he may be in there. I just see a lot of mistakes when he fights. Weird ones that should be weeded out by training. Like circling thenwrong way or not tucking his chin. He is a good fighter but self control is an issue even when training. Being humble usually makes you develop much faster and fix problems. Especially ones that only require repetitions. But you have to admit you have the problem to fix it.
I think Michael and the UFC must understand these limitations too! I believe the match making which has occured has been grooming him for his shot.
I agree that humility is the basis for growth as change cannot occur without acceptance and acceptance cannot occur without change. Humility is the foundation of deeper change in my opinion.
A major part of my professional and personal background is related to performance psychology and I am intrigued how feedback (externally perceived experience) creates such different meanings and actions as a result.
GSP was able to take a very different route with Josh K as an example. If Michael is able to ascertain the mental opportunity to improve his mind game and take on board some of the excellent points which people like yourself have made - relating to some fairly easy to solve technical issues then it is possible that he will land the title shot. (Getting beat by Andersson Silva as a result).
The Chinese symbol for threat is also the same symbol for opportunity. The meaning Michael creates from his action/ deserved punishment will lead to a bigger man or potentially a bitter man.
We can wait and see.
Thank god you are onthis site it's refreshing to hear people with in depth points of view. You also make me question what I am writing. I get so used to trying to defend noble fighters I sometimes turn into a jerk myself. Most people here are casual fans who love their particular fighter (which all to often is either the guy who just won or the guy who barns louder).
I have been a martial artist for longer than mma was even televised in the us. I did watch old Valle tudo videos back in the day though. I am not impressed at all with the marketing direction the ufc is promoting. I believe this can be a real sport, maybe even a "softer" vs in the olympics. However, the way ufc markets it will end up more of a "show" than a sport. I know it's your belief the growth is good but not all growth is good. If you take serious disciplined fighters and promote their darker side you are really just propping up the easy way to market which is drama.
It should be considered that not only is this style of marketing detrimental to the fighters themselves but to how new fighters will perceive how they are supposed to act. This is why I have choosen to not pay for any more ufc fights ( that and the judging problems machida/rampage shogun/machida were the last straws). I do still go to a sports bar to watch however, I just don't want my money being given to these ideals.
I have a son who is a very young karate practitioner. So I have an acute understanding of how rolemodels effect children. Not everyone has to be gsp or machida but, they shouldnt prop up bad behavior intentionally even if it does provide more viewers. It's temporary. And good growth takes longer, but you will have "better" fans. Because remember the fans are in a large way also created by the ufc marketing and over all demeaner.
@movescamp. did he really get schooled by rashad? that was a very tight fight and rashad went on to become lhw champ and before stann fight, everyone was on the leben bandwagon saying how good and tough he was, well bisping beat him easily and made his face a mess. Im not saying bisping would become the middleweight champ cos i dont think he is good enough but when people constantly slate him for being rubbish, i dont think tis true and all the haters going on about the knee. Its been done many times before and will be dont many times again. go all the way back to ufc 37 baroni vs amar suloev. baroni had both knees on the floor and ate a solid knee. was he disqualified no, suspended no. It happens. And if the guy cannot carry on then the fight can be stopped but rivera was ok to carry on, so why are people making such a big fuss about it.
Well the knee and spitting on his team. So yeah that's the big deal.
I think knees to an opponent getting up from the ground should be legal anyway, so I am not that outraged by Bisping's knee to Rivera.
I remember the BS call that Nate Diaz got when fighting Kim Dong-Hyun recently. Kim deliberately put his hand down to barely touch the ground to prevent knees, using a technicality to avoid the loss--he was hurt and could have been finished.
Bisping obviously needs to not let himself get sucked in emotionally by the head games of his opponent. Rivera's camp was definitely pushing the limit, screaming curses even after the fight was over. I have to give props to Rivera for continuing with the fight after the illegal knee.
Bisping definitely finished Rivera, which is a good sign, since many questioned his striking power, and he weathered some heavy shots--which answered some critics who claim his chin is weak after the Hendo KO. He does have a point--Hendo's shot would have knocked out any fighter.
Kyle Noke looked good finishing his opponent in short order.
BJ Penn surprised Fitch with his wrestling--and nearly pulled off a win, except for a dismal third round. I am glad to hear Penn will keep wrestling in his arsenal, because he nearly had Fitch in an RNC--if he could only have gotten the body triangle to prevent Fitch from reversing, he might have finished it a couple of times.
Mark Hunt showed his K-1 KO power--I would like to see him in better condition, if so, who knows how far he could go?
Ebersole impressed me, coming in on short notice to defeat Lytle. Ebersole has 63 MMA fights and Lytle has 53 which is an incredible amount of experience for both fighters. Ebersole was so unconventional in his style, I couldn't help smiling throughout the match.
Pierson looked good against an always tough Spencer Fisher.
For me the upset of the night was Siver vs. Sotiropoulos. The ****y G-Sot got his ass handed to him by Siver--and revealed gaping holes in his game. While I believe Siver showed excellent takedown defense, I also believe G-Sot showed terrible takedown ability--as he tried and failed repeatedly to take the fight to the ground. G-Sot really needs to go back to the drawing board--but in the post-fight press conference, he did not seem aware that his game requires a major rework, saying his future training will be 'business as usual'.
Fitch should leave MMA....
BJ Penn = Mentally Weak
According to whom is your assertion true?
In comparison to who?
What specific qualification do you have to draw this conclusion?
I suggest you change your name to Richard as Dick is a bit too close to your personality and people may become confused.
Lets face it, it is really easy to find a reason to dislike Michael Bisping.
Making fun of a deaf guy, spitting on people etc. just an appetiser for what he is capable of doing.
I am neither a fan or hater of Michael, I just accept him for what he is; a Wanker. Don't get me wrong, he is a talented guy and I would go as far as saying he is a good fighter; But, a Wanker non-the-less.
I am afraid I have to concur. Bisping has made great efforts to reverse the negative opinion's of fans, putting on a PR blitz of blogs showing the 'real Michael' as just a regular good guy.
But when the pressure was on, he reverted to type. Going over to a defeated opponent (one who kept fighting after an illegal knee, instead of walking away with a DQ win) and telling him to 'go home loser' then spitting, is pretty much as low as you can go.
I can't deny his talent--he is a good fighter--but I hope he gets his title shot with Anderson Silva soon--and not because I think he deserves it, but because I want to see him KTFO'd again.
bisping didnt make fun of hammil once on TUF and before or after the fight. where are you getting this from?
I know a lot of Penn Fans don't like to hear it but its true.
He never sticks it out in a division if he loses.
He switches divisions repeatedly.
He ALWAYS comes to fights with a question mark around his conditioning.
If he wins he is high on life.
If he loses he is depressed and talks about retiring
He defends loses with accusations of steriods
He never takes the time to put on weight correctly to be more competitive in a division full of stronger bigger wrestlers
shall is go on...
I am not saying he is not a great fighter, but please don't tell me that is mentally strong
He talks about retiring when we losses and he
I agree. That said, after last night I think you could easily rank him #4 in the division right behind Fitch and if he keeps his head together he could beat Fitch in the rematch. I think he should have fought the second round on his feat and we may have seen a KO.
Weak me all you guys want but the truth is 1st round Penn second round draw third round Fitch,I personly think that the draw was a good call due to Fitch's weak third round he did anythying he could to stop the fight from being stood up...pillow punching with his weak ass lay and pray!!
And weak you we shall.
What fight were you watching? You are obviously bias. "Pillow punching?" Ya if that's you call grinding his elbow into BJ's face and taking advantage of any opening. Get real.
who else has done to bj that 3rd rd what fitch did?
gsp n hughes.
likewise, who else has done to fitch what bj did.
these two are the top of the ww. would love to see a 5 rd rematch for the vacant title. i could see fitch finishing in the 4th or 5th.
cant stand bisping and dont think he adds anything to any event he is a part of
I saw nothing from Penn last night, that would suggest that he's earned a title shot or is even a serious contender; come on. The guy has three wins in his last seven fights, how could that be considered worthy of a title shot or contender status?
And please note that once again, BJ was gassing in the third. There is no way he had the tank to go five rounds, if he had been required. It would seem to me, that for someone to be a real champ (these days) he should be able to fight a full and hard, 25 minutes. Penn can't do that; not at 170.
Penn needs to do a serious gut check on what he wants out of The UFC and his MMA career and the amount of effort he's prepared to put into it, because he is quickly trashing his legacy. It wasn't very long ago that Penn was on everyone's P4P list and probably high up on it, now he's no where to be found on it.
good points but Penn still has a chance to beat anyone in the WW or LW divisions, you can't say that about most...
F Bisping he's always been a ****, grow-up man Jorge was just try'n to sell the fight. Bisping is just a petty man with average mma skills. I say give him Chael (not that a like Chael) then he'll learn some humility.
That's not a very humble thing to say!
At least I don't try to be, if Bisping wanted to act like an idiot fine do it. What gets me is he acts like he's professional in he's interviews than goes and acts a fool during the fight.
Our flaws and contradictions as human beings is what makes it all the more interesting to see these amplified in somebody else. I believe the trick is not to get to emotionally involved with what we see, as it is simply a reflection of parts of the personality which people often try to avoid thinking about in relation to themselves.
have you guys ever been hit with a knee with somebody standing over you?.I think it is funny that some poeple say after being hit with an illegal knee that you say jorge was faking it.and you just base that on his body language. this is not soccer guys this is MMA a real sport.but bisping is more talented and would have probably won the fight but that knee played a factor.