No you can´t....
Ya he can only KO ppl who stand with him, i dont even think he landed one good punch on GSP n Fitch
Anyone can KO anyone if they land a good clean punch, which is kinda hard when you are on your back or press against the cage, according to him he was going to KO GSP and Fitch and I did not see that happening.
He is good but this kind of statements are very dumb...
If he could he would´ve already...
thiago" i can knock out anyone" " i forgot, i cant make weight though"
In his last four fights he has missed wt twice. If you go out eight fights he tests positive for banned diuretics. That isn't a good track record.
for the people clicking weak, lets look at the facts. out of his last 4 fights he missed weight twice, at that level of competition its so amateur. He will have a whole team behind him, strength coaches, dieticians, etc and its his full time job and he still fails 2 of the last 4. Then his ko'ing of anyone. He beat hughes but was well over weight, he got bashed by gsp and fitch and couldnt make weight in that one either.. he didnt ko lytlle,they were both trading well until the cut stoppage. He didnt ko kos and kos took the fight on short notice and Apart from hughes, which he landed the flying knee but was well over weight, what other decent names did he actually ko?. tony souza!! hironaka!! derick noble(who is he) jeff cox, another big name.
people have forgot about Thiago, he is ranked like #7 on the rankings
but Thiago is a beast! i really dont see anyone at WW beating him besides from GSP and Fitch! not any od the guys infront of him in the ranks can beat Thiago, i get he has fight only twice since july 2009 and lost but people will remember him again when he starts KO people left and right again!
You probably right, but Alves is really a MW trying to be a WW and failing.
agreed man, I've always liked thiago he has great technical muay thai and he's a powerhouse.... the only fight i cheered against him was when he fought GsP...lol. we havnt seen much of him in a while but I think he'll make a statement against Howard,... Alves give Koscheck an awful beating on the feet and on the ground, as you say the only two guys i see beating him at WW are GSP and Fitch the rest are dogfood for the PITBULL...
Whens the last time he KO'd anyone? Enough talk Thiago! I know he can KO almost anyone but people fighting Alves aren't just gonna stand in front of him with their chins out.
If you get a good clean shot on someone, can't anyone knock anyone else out?
With that said though, he probably is the best and most feared striker in the division; if he can make weight.
I like TA and regardless of his striking talents, he really needs to become more well rounded; a better wrestler and BJJ fighter. Until he can do that, his stand-up, like that other "great" strikers, such as Dan Hardy or Paul Daley, doesn't (really) mean much.
Dan Hardy koncked one guy out and he is now a striker he is much of a talk nothing to happen
unlike thiago you can see his striking power very good leg kicks good timing but too short reach even in 170. He would be good in 185 but he is too short for striker in 185
i think he should fight a stand up fighter next the ufc has only been giving him ground and pounders
give em Bj Penn lets see if TA can crack his coconut head
That would not be a good fight, for Penn. He'd get killed on the feet and he doesn't have TA's power, either. His only hope would be on the ground and I just wouldn't see him getting it there. I'd take TA in a TKO victory, in that one.
Pen rocked Hughes in the first round in their first fight and KOd him in the first round in their third fight. Thiago couldn't do that. I actually think BJ might be too fast for Alves.
We would have to put it to the test. I'm not saying I wouldn't be interested in the fight, I'm just saying I think it's a bad match-up for him.
Heck, but I'm down with the match.
A good muay thai striker beats a good boxer the majority of the time. BJ's super talented but if he doesn't get a quick knockout he'd likely be ko/tkod on the feet for the first time in his career. BJ has a definite speed advantage, Thiago probably has the overall power advantage, but Thiago has more than just punches
Relatives being equal - give me Tyson, Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Lewis, Holmes, Hagler, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Duran, Holyfield, et al, vs. the greatest Thai boxers of all time (in equal weight classes) and I'll take the boxers, all day long.
Distance, as speed - kills. One must either be on the outside or the inside, but never in the middle; when dealing with a kick boxer and any good boxer would know that.
On paper, perhaps. IMO this is mostly because the best boxers of all time have been far superior athletes than the best Thai boxers of all time (when i said thai boxers you can include just plain kickboxers into that aswell). If you took Floyd Mayweather, cloned him, and taught him muay thai the same amount of time he has been doign boxing, I'd put my money on Thai Floyd in an MMA match. Only way this can be proven is by actaully putting kick boxers against boxers, which has been done, and the results speek for themselves.
Your original contention: A good Muay Thai striker beats a good boxer the majority of the time.
Your New Contention: If you took Floyd Mayweather, cloned him, and taught him muay Thai the same amount of time he has been doing boxing, I'd put my money on Thai Floyd in an MMA match
The difference - you've taken one of the greatest boxers of all time and made him a kick boxer, in an effort to substantiate your original contention; now, it's...if (only) the Thai Boxer was as great with his hands as a world class boxer; if only Floyd Mayweather were a Thai Boxer, they hypothesis would be true.
And in terms of actually doing it - had FM done that, I'm sure he would have been great, but would he have been as great. Just because Mayweather is an awesome boxer, doesn't mean that he'd be an awesome kick-boxer. We don't know if he'd be as good or his as hard with his feet, as he is / does with his hands. Further, he would be spending 50% (at least) less time working his hands (in terms of his training), subsequently he would be less the "specialist." That is a simple metric to understand and see.
Concluding - I will stick with my unaltered contention, that a world class boxer beat a world class Thai fighter.
I'll try and get right to the point this time, so you have no choice but to see it for what it is, rather than picking and choosing aspects of my argument to strengthen your own. But alas, it is your choice to exhibit a lack of interest in adding value to the argument and attaining knowledge in an attempt to 1 up me.
The art of Muay Thai (or an alternative form of kickboxing) is much more effective in MMA IMO. That's not to say that every Muay Thai fighter will beat every boxer in an MMA match, because it depends on the fighter, not the style that they employ. BUT, when you have two high level athletes like BJ and Thiago that are somewhat even on paper in other aspects (Size and strength and power go to Thiago, speed and groudn game go to BJ) I think that the Muay Thai style will prevail and make the difference.
Your point was that you think boxing is the superior form of fighting (km assuming it would appply for in mma rules and k1 rules) but you never actually provided evidence. I'll give you one name to back up my claim --> Ray Mercer
You think it wrong of me to analyze your own argument and point to a / the weakness in it and then use it as indicia, in support of my own case? I'm not even sure where to begin with that logic, so I'll just leave it as, noted.
In a nutshell: This comment...
"But alas, it is your choice to exhibit a lack of interest in adding value to the argument and attaining knowledge in an attempt to 1 up me."
Is classic "passive-aggressive". It is beneath any man to be passive aggressive. If you want something or feel a certain way, then please clearly state it; not only here, but in life. "PA", is nothing more then trying to whine your way, to having your way. It is not becoming of a man.
As to actually attempting to one up you - I'm not attempting, it just seems to be the natural outcome of our exchanges.
As to me exhibiting a lack of interest in adding value - that indeed, is what I was "attempting" (finally a valid use of the word) to do, with my post and reply. However, as I have stated before, if treated respectfully, I am respectful, when not treated as such, I am not respectful. Perhaps you should go back and read everything that you've written to me and take a look at your tone, tenure and verbiage and you might begin to grasp why I don't great your posts with the respect and seriousness, that they might otherwise deserve.
Tenor - not tenure.
Alves should get Condit if he KO's Howarad
That would be a good scrap.
the pitbulls the man kicks are so good i say 2ed round john howard will be a sleep off a knee as he shots in hahaha hopefully