lol...he even helped Silva for his last fight and that fight really went good for Silva, that front kick he taught Machida had me laughing...things are looking better for Rampage but I have to say Seagal has some good reactions for someone his age
Alot people don't know this but Chael Sonnen the real estate agent actually sold Steven Segal a house in Oregon in 2006. Since then they remained good friends, and in 2010 Chael hired him to infiltrate the Black House camp in an effort to derail Andersons Silvas success as the Middleweight King. It almost worked....When Chael heard about the Lyoto fight with Rampage, he wanted to make ammends with Quintin for bashing him about doing the A-Team movie, so he offered to Rampage the continuation of Steven Segals infiltration services into Blackhouse. Rampage accepted.
I think that Seagal is legit but comes from a point of view of not so much for MMA but real life combat. Like the special forces military combat systems that use small joint manipulation and other techniques that are illegal in MMA but useful in life and death fighting. Someone needs to tell Seagal that deliberate strikes to the throat are illegal in the cage because he used that in his demonstration to Machida.
well said. this is exactly what i was thinking. Segal is the real deal , but his fighting is more for the street or like you said, military combat. i was in the USAF and he was touring the special ops base that was next to mine. supposedly some MP was talking shit to his buddies about segal just being a movie star and cannot really fight . the guy to steven that , and what rumor said at the time was segal confronted him and dropped him with 1 punch to the solar plexus, and the base general said nothing but more than telling the kid he should not run his mouth. i also once took aikido , only for a month because i thought the instructor sucked , but he had segal stories at the time, 90s, having met him at conferences. said his is a real bad ass, but also a ****y ****head in person, who knows, but yea, most of his techniques are illegal in the octogon, or in effective. i dont even know what he wants to do with that low front kick, other than block another kick, or hyper extend a knee, which is not welcome in the octogon really.
I have to believe that the nature of these sessions is simply that of curiosity. These are true mixed martial artists, who have mastered much of the major disciplines, so the opportunity to learn and experience Aikido is probably something they welcome. Obviously, guys like Silva and Machida know what will and will not translate into MMA.
My question is - how does anyone know what translates into MMA?
The "soft" arts have never been given a hearing in the Octagon and I no idea as to why. The UFC or any MMA organization has yet to see a soft art practitioner, let alone a high level one. I love the UFC and MMA, but until I see soft art practitioners in the Octagon, it's all just a great deal of amusement. It tests nothing other then the ability of two hard arts to beat the crap out of each other.
As an example - Dan Hardy has hoped on a plane and gone to Shaolin to train for however many weeks (as if he could really learn anything of any real value in that time) and just two fights ago, fought for the UFC title. Now, for the sake of the argument, lets say he had won - does that mean he could now hop (back) on a plane go back to Shaolin and thump all the 170s at the Temple? How about half? Or even any? It's laughable. As much as I love and respect GSP, he couldn't do it. Do we really think that any UFC fighter would go over there and "kick ass"?
For people that dismiss Segal, Aikido, the soft arts in general (such as Wushu or TWC), I'd tell them that they are sadly misinformed, have seen too many bad Kung Fu films, have never stepped inside a real school that teaches a soft art and that they've sure as heck have never fought one.
MMA IMO JS - will never be complete until it represents the full spectrum of fighting and as it stands right now, it does not. Which is a shame. However, there may be hope. There is one guy fighting in some small shows (UCL), he's a a Wing Chun fighter by the name of - Shawn "SEAL THE DEAL" Obasi. There's not a lot of video on the guy, but you can check him out on YouTube; StrikeForce is (apparently) interested in signing him. I guess he came to their attention when he tried out for M1-Global (in NY)l. Go watch the video of them telling him they won't take him, because of how bad his Muay Thai, is - LOL!!
i imagine that loads of aikido/wing chun/ etc etc practioners have tried their hand at mma, but as james toney sop delightfully demonstrated, being world class at one aspect of mma is never enough...if they want to be succesful they should copy the machida template of using his wrestling/bjj etc skills to keep the fight in karate mode where hes comfortable
And James Toney demonstrated nothing as far as soft arts are concerned. Lets Wushu, Aikido and Wing Chun speak for themselves; not some fat out of shape one trick pony, who can only use his hands.
...again for those that criticize, have you ever fought it?
I still say we havent seen a true martial artist fight in MMA. Mainly because they believe what they believe and it has nothing to do with competing to hurt others. BruceLee would have destroyed the LW division even today.
If they cant touch you and your faster and more powerful striking, they wont win.
it was theoretical more than anything, it only stands to reason that of all the people that practice those kinds of 'soft' martial arts, SOME would try their hand in mma, and the fact that IF they did and i dont know their names, their success speaks for itself....and james toney was one example, there are others in kickboxing etc who have tried, failed and then come back to their roots...im not dissing the 'soft' arts because they serve their own purpose, but to say that a wing chun/ aikido expert could be successful at the highest level of mma using just that in my opinion is completely wrong...as for the question of if iv fought it, i wanted to join my local aikido club this year but was advised by the aikido instructor thati was better suited to judo because of my phyical strength..now trust me, im not made of muscle (not by a long shot) but the aikido instructor basically told me i was 'too strong' for aikido and judo would suit me better...read into that what you want but thats what i was told
"The "soft" arts have never been given a hearing in the Octagon and I no idea as to why. The UFC or any MMA organization has yet to see a soft art practitioner, let alone a high level one."
wow what a bold and fallacious out look on how a style is proven. the notion you present is that the UFC should be actively attempting to force individuals styles into MMA.
in reality the BJJ/Judo/sambo all have small joint manipulation moves such as wrist locks, finger etc....the problem with the practicality of aikido is that passive nonresistent grappling fosters bad pratical grappling habits. individuals do not simply allow you do manipulate them without offering resistence, which is how aikido teaches its system.
the fact that BJJ/kickboxing styles/boxing/wrestling are respected and crosstrained in by the majority of fighters is not due to some arbitrary preference of Zuffa; it is born from the evidence that it is effective even removed from its traditional settings. it is the task of aikidoka to enter into MMA and prove the practical nature of their system removed from its traditional structure. we do not hear BJJ guys say they will not compete because of the lack of gi's, they instead modified traditional techniques to work within a new arena. the same can be said for strikers and wrestlers, whom all remove themselves from the traditional structure of their system and adapt and employ it within a new one.
the soft arts are not to be given a hearing within the octagon, they like all other styles must make themselves heard. if aikidoka wish to be preseved as more than a nonpractical ceremonial martial art, then the burden is on the aikidoka to enter the cage/ring and show that they are more than that.
i have done grappling all my life, i've known aikidoka who have abandoned aikido for judo/bjj for the exact reason that it failed them when they needed it in the real world. go look on youtube at any video under aikido vs bjj,wrestling,etc.. they get owned everytime. this isn't primarily because what they teach will not achive the desired result, it is in the method of teaching which does not foster the needed ability to troubleshoot your gameplan to your situation.
comparing MMA fighters to shaolin monks is also rediculous. you might aswell have said that any systima practitioner could easily beat any MMA fighter as they use the same method of nonconectivitey. mutliple excuses have been given by various chinesse martial artist as to why they do not enter the MMA arena, etc... such as the disallowing of eye gouging,groin strikes etc... but if these things are not banned in spite of the style but are considered noncompetative in that we all know if a guy pokes a guy in the eye as hard as he can he will have likely won, bjj/judo have eye gouging techniques in them aswell but you do not see bjj/judoka cring that their system cannot compete without them. wing chun guys are in the same boat as the aikidoka in that they need to prove their style, MMA does not need to prove it for them. if wing chun is a more effective striking style than kickboxing/boxing then it will show that it is. youtube wing chun anti-wrestling for a good laugh at what they teach to avoid grapplers as a resonse to the reality of the proficent nature of grappling arts in MMA.
in reality aikido,wing chun, or anyother martial art hard or soft is in the same boat that western wreslting styles were in when MMA started. people thought wreslters would simply be striked to ko before they could get you down, or that they wouldn't be able to handle submission. yet wrestlers adjusted their traditional methods and proved the practical nature of their martial art. that is the boat that aikido or wing chun must also bring up the river public respect.
really in what way? P.S. ad hominem attacks such as implying that everything i said was comical and not addressing the issue presented is the tactics of a individual who cannot prove a point with logic or reason but relies on attacking the individual making the statement.
what is a humorous notion is the idea that a system that is never applied in a practical sense is somehow superiour to one proven to work in the real world.
it would be like saying that a individual is the greatest mathematician simply because he has read the most instruction manuals on mathematic operations, tho the person has never actually completed a problem.
karate was in the same boat a few years ago as wing chun and aikido are in now. popular opinion on karate was that it was not effective in a practical sense when put up against kickboxing or grappling arts. then Machida came and proved the majority wrong. aikido/wing chun need their own Machida's if they don't ever generate one then they will go down as second tier martial arts fundementally better for spiritual aspects than defense.
Thank you for informing the thread what ad hominem is and I stick with my original contention, it was a lot of non sequitur. What is/was comical about your post is that you call me bold and fallacious for stating my opinion; and that's all it is. You had to post a tomb telling me how wrong I am. How do you know I'm wrong? Can you prove me wrong?
You author authoritatively on the soft arts as if you know something about them. Well do you? How many fights have you had with a soft art practitioner? How many trips have you taken to the Shaolin Temple? What exactly is your expertise that allows you to tell me that I'm wrong for musing aloud as to the obviousness that soft arts are not represented in the UFC? And for that you called me bold and fallacious? For doubting that UFC fighters could go to China and thump the monks?
If that is bold and fallacious, then your case is a non sequitur; a priori
And to say what I posted was an ad hominem attack on you or that it was implied, it was no such thing. And for those that know my posts, I don't imply anything when I wish to attack someone - I simply do it.
I find your notion that it's never been tested in the real world humors, but mostly uninformed and jejune.
lol lyoto got KTFO by Shogun and SeagUl tells him "you should just *step away* " haahah sounds just like when Jack Nicholson asked those aliens in Mars Attacks! "why can't we all just.. *get along*"
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Aikido=fairy tale land
Segal would mess you up so fast, you'd be pulling your laptop out of your ass
lol segal is a decorated black belt!
I remember when Seagal kept saying he was tougher than Jean Claude Van Damme, so JCVD called him out and Seagal Shit himself. True story look it up.
Did it seem like Seagal helped Anderson in the Sonnen fight?
no but sonnen and jackson are 2 different styles
Apparently so cuz silva still won
@ Warcrazed Aikido didnt win it for him, it was BJJ. Think before you post something so dumb
Sonnen used PED's and Anderson had a rib injury
ya he was probably the one who ****ed silvas ribs up lol.
ha ha, something is happening to the world when Segal is teaching Machida how to fight.
lol...he even helped Silva for his last fight and that fight really went good for Silva, that front kick he taught Machida had me laughing...things are looking better for Rampage but I have to say Seagal has some good reactions for someone his age
This is clearly a publicity stunt. They're in a garden, and Machida is wearing khaki shorts.
I wonder how much Segal had to pay Machida to do this.
Alot people don't know this but Chael Sonnen the real estate agent actually sold Steven Segal a house in Oregon in 2006. Since then they remained good friends, and in 2010 Chael hired him to infiltrate the Black House camp in an effort to derail Andersons Silvas success as the Middleweight King. It almost worked....When Chael heard about the Lyoto fight with Rampage, he wanted to make ammends with Quintin for bashing him about doing the A-Team movie, so he offered to Rampage the continuation of Steven Segals infiltration services into Blackhouse. Rampage accepted.
When I read this in my head it sounded like that top secret voice at the beginning of the Law and Order episodes.... "These are their stories..." lol
You can learn one thing good from almost every person and discard the rest...not only referring to MMA
all these striking videos but I bet Machida is going for lots of taekdowns in the fight LOL
Seagal get in the cage and show us these moves in a real fight, then maybe u'll earn some credibility!
Why? He is not the one asking to be trained, these guys come to him and ask for his assistance.
I think that Seagal is legit but comes from a point of view of not so much for MMA but real life combat. Like the special forces military combat systems that use small joint manipulation and other techniques that are illegal in MMA but useful in life and death fighting. Someone needs to tell Seagal that deliberate strikes to the throat are illegal in the cage because he used that in his demonstration to Machida.
Steven's too damn old to be starting mma
well said. this is exactly what i was thinking. Segal is the real deal , but his fighting is more for the street or like you said, military combat. i was in the USAF and he was touring the special ops base that was next to mine. supposedly some MP was talking shit to his buddies about segal just being a movie star and cannot really fight . the guy to steven that , and what rumor said at the time was segal confronted him and dropped him with 1 punch to the solar plexus, and the base general said nothing but more than telling the kid he should not run his mouth. i also once took aikido , only for a month because i thought the instructor sucked , but he had segal stories at the time, 90s, having met him at conferences. said his is a real bad ass, but also a ****y ****head in person, who knows, but yea, most of his techniques are illegal in the octogon, or in effective. i dont even know what he wants to do with that low front kick, other than block another kick, or hyper extend a knee, which is not welcome in the octogon really.
People also forget hes been a sheriiff in a bad town for a long time. Hes no stranger to man handling people whether on PCP or straight.
Hey. Don't clinch Machida, that's a bad idea -Seagal
This is the second time i say Seagal train with a UFC fighter....
Lyoto is looking at him with this "What IS this man talking about" look on his face.
I have to believe that the nature of these sessions is simply that of curiosity. These are true mixed martial artists, who have mastered much of the major disciplines, so the opportunity to learn and experience Aikido is probably something they welcome. Obviously, guys like Silva and Machida know what will and will not translate into MMA.
@ JS
My question is - how does anyone know what translates into MMA?
The "soft" arts have never been given a hearing in the Octagon and I no idea as to why. The UFC or any MMA organization has yet to see a soft art practitioner, let alone a high level one. I love the UFC and MMA, but until I see soft art practitioners in the Octagon, it's all just a great deal of amusement. It tests nothing other then the ability of two hard arts to beat the crap out of each other.
As an example - Dan Hardy has hoped on a plane and gone to Shaolin to train for however many weeks (as if he could really learn anything of any real value in that time) and just two fights ago, fought for the UFC title. Now, for the sake of the argument, lets say he had won - does that mean he could now hop (back) on a plane go back to Shaolin and thump all the 170s at the Temple? How about half? Or even any? It's laughable. As much as I love and respect GSP, he couldn't do it. Do we really think that any UFC fighter would go over there and "kick ass"?
For people that dismiss Segal, Aikido, the soft arts in general (such as Wushu or TWC), I'd tell them that they are sadly misinformed, have seen too many bad Kung Fu films, have never stepped inside a real school that teaches a soft art and that they've sure as heck have never fought one.
MMA IMO JS - will never be complete until it represents the full spectrum of fighting and as it stands right now, it does not. Which is a shame. However, there may be hope. There is one guy fighting in some small shows (UCL), he's a a Wing Chun fighter by the name of - Shawn "SEAL THE DEAL" Obasi. There's not a lot of video on the guy, but you can check him out on YouTube; StrikeForce is (apparently) interested in signing him. I guess he came to their attention when he tried out for M1-Global (in NY)l. Go watch the video of them telling him they won't take him, because of how bad his Muay Thai, is - LOL!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3F6Zwbp9E&feature=related
Wing Chun is coming, baby.
i imagine that loads of aikido/wing chun/ etc etc practioners have tried their hand at mma, but as james toney sop delightfully demonstrated, being world class at one aspect of mma is never enough...if they want to be succesful they should copy the machida template of using his wrestling/bjj etc skills to keep the fight in karate mode where hes comfortable
@ partyboy
"Loads" have tried? Could you name them?
And James Toney demonstrated nothing as far as soft arts are concerned. Lets Wushu, Aikido and Wing Chun speak for themselves; not some fat out of shape one trick pony, who can only use his hands.
...again for those that criticize, have you ever fought it?
I still say we havent seen a true martial artist fight in MMA. Mainly because they believe what they believe and it has nothing to do with competing to hurt others. BruceLee would have destroyed the LW division even today.
If they cant touch you and your faster and more powerful striking, they wont win.
it was theoretical more than anything, it only stands to reason that of all the people that practice those kinds of 'soft' martial arts, SOME would try their hand in mma, and the fact that IF they did and i dont know their names, their success speaks for itself....and james toney was one example, there are others in kickboxing etc who have tried, failed and then come back to their roots...im not dissing the 'soft' arts because they serve their own purpose, but to say that a wing chun/ aikido expert could be successful at the highest level of mma using just that in my opinion is completely wrong...as for the question of if iv fought it, i wanted to join my local aikido club this year but was advised by the aikido instructor thati was better suited to judo because of my phyical strength..now trust me, im not made of muscle (not by a long shot) but the aikido instructor basically told me i was 'too strong' for aikido and judo would suit me better...read into that what you want but thats what i was told
Yea and people would call him boring and say he was running away.
Nice try, Shawn.
"The "soft" arts have never been given a hearing in the Octagon and I no idea as to why. The UFC or any MMA organization has yet to see a soft art practitioner, let alone a high level one."
wow what a bold and fallacious out look on how a style is proven. the notion you present is that the UFC should be actively attempting to force individuals styles into MMA.
in reality the BJJ/Judo/sambo all have small joint manipulation moves such as wrist locks, finger etc....the problem with the practicality of aikido is that passive nonresistent grappling fosters bad pratical grappling habits. individuals do not simply allow you do manipulate them without offering resistence, which is how aikido teaches its system.
the fact that BJJ/kickboxing styles/boxing/wrestling are respected and crosstrained in by the majority of fighters is not due to some arbitrary preference of Zuffa; it is born from the evidence that it is effective even removed from its traditional settings. it is the task of aikidoka to enter into MMA and prove the practical nature of their system removed from its traditional structure. we do not hear BJJ guys say they will not compete because of the lack of gi's, they instead modified traditional techniques to work within a new arena. the same can be said for strikers and wrestlers, whom all remove themselves from the traditional structure of their system and adapt and employ it within a new one.
the soft arts are not to be given a hearing within the octagon, they like all other styles must make themselves heard. if aikidoka wish to be preseved as more than a nonpractical ceremonial martial art, then the burden is on the aikidoka to enter the cage/ring and show that they are more than that.
i have done grappling all my life, i've known aikidoka who have abandoned aikido for judo/bjj for the exact reason that it failed them when they needed it in the real world. go look on youtube at any video under aikido vs bjj,wrestling,etc.. they get owned everytime. this isn't primarily because what they teach will not achive the desired result, it is in the method of teaching which does not foster the needed ability to troubleshoot your gameplan to your situation.
comparing MMA fighters to shaolin monks is also rediculous. you might aswell have said that any systima practitioner could easily beat any MMA fighter as they use the same method of nonconectivitey. mutliple excuses have been given by various chinesse martial artist as to why they do not enter the MMA arena, etc... such as the disallowing of eye gouging,groin strikes etc... but if these things are not banned in spite of the style but are considered noncompetative in that we all know if a guy pokes a guy in the eye as hard as he can he will have likely won, bjj/judo have eye gouging techniques in them aswell but you do not see bjj/judoka cring that their system cannot compete without them. wing chun guys are in the same boat as the aikidoka in that they need to prove their style, MMA does not need to prove it for them. if wing chun is a more effective striking style than kickboxing/boxing then it will show that it is. youtube wing chun anti-wrestling for a good laugh at what they teach to avoid grapplers as a resonse to the reality of the proficent nature of grappling arts in MMA.
in reality aikido,wing chun, or anyother martial art hard or soft is in the same boat that western wreslting styles were in when MMA started. people thought wreslters would simply be striked to ko before they could get you down, or that they wouldn't be able to handle submission. yet wrestlers adjusted their traditional methods and proved the practical nature of their martial art. that is the boat that aikido or wing chun must also bring up the river public respect.
abbreviate Sean's nickname...
@ Bob
Traditional Wing Chun
@ lion
That's a lot of non sequitur.
really in what way? P.S. ad hominem attacks such as implying that everything i said was comical and not addressing the issue presented is the tactics of a individual who cannot prove a point with logic or reason but relies on attacking the individual making the statement.
what is a humorous notion is the idea that a system that is never applied in a practical sense is somehow superiour to one proven to work in the real world.
it would be like saying that a individual is the greatest mathematician simply because he has read the most instruction manuals on mathematic operations, tho the person has never actually completed a problem.
karate was in the same boat a few years ago as wing chun and aikido are in now. popular opinion on karate was that it was not effective in a practical sense when put up against kickboxing or grappling arts. then Machida came and proved the majority wrong. aikido/wing chun need their own Machida's if they don't ever generate one then they will go down as second tier martial arts fundementally better for spiritual aspects than defense.
@ Lion
Thank you for informing the thread what ad hominem is and I stick with my original contention, it was a lot of non sequitur. What is/was comical about your post is that you call me bold and fallacious for stating my opinion; and that's all it is. You had to post a tomb telling me how wrong I am. How do you know I'm wrong? Can you prove me wrong?
You author authoritatively on the soft arts as if you know something about them. Well do you? How many fights have you had with a soft art practitioner? How many trips have you taken to the Shaolin Temple? What exactly is your expertise that allows you to tell me that I'm wrong for musing aloud as to the obviousness that soft arts are not represented in the UFC? And for that you called me bold and fallacious? For doubting that UFC fighters could go to China and thump the monks?
If that is bold and fallacious, then your case is a non sequitur; a priori
And to say what I posted was an ad hominem attack on you or that it was implied, it was no such thing. And for those that know my posts, I don't imply anything when I wish to attack someone - I simply do it.
I find your notion that it's never been tested in the real world humors, but mostly uninformed and jejune.
Respectfully,
Wing Chun
id like to see segal use that akido against a haymaker from rampage
"and you **** him up" - steven segal
hahahahahahahahahaha
lol lyoto got KTFO by Shogun and SeagUl tells him "you should just *step away* " haahah sounds just like when Jack Nicholson asked those aliens in Mars Attacks! "why can't we all just.. *get along*"
if only machida had seagal for his his second fight with shogun, maybe he would have won
James Toney vs. Steven Seagal
Dana White make it happen
If you want to have a last minute triangle choke win Steven Segal is the right guy.
I bet you'll see Seagal at this again with Dos Santos before he fights Cain
its pretty ignorant to make your decisions from one fight by who knows who. Im quite sure they werent masters like the old days.
But T666 I dont expect anymore from you
Great video...Yet bad quality..
If he makes strikes to the throat as suggested
I kept thinking of the Kenny Powers/Faber shoe commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOVeBTSXrE