Shogun Rua wants revenge, says Dan Henderson fight was a draw
Posted on November 21, 2011, 11:26 AM by Joey Santosus"It certainly was a great fight. I do not know how the judges made the final round of counting, could or should have been 10-8 to me. But that takes nothing away from Dan Henderson. He is a legend and one of those fighters who have created a legacy. But I want revenge, I think it would be another great battle and the public wants to see" - Shogun Rua (Translation via CagedInsider.com)
Less than 48-hours ago, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua and Dan Henderson battled back and forth for the duration of their five-round non-title fight, leaving one another battered and bruised as the judges' final scores were read. In the end, it was Hendo who would emerge victorious via unanimous decision, with each of the three officials awarding him the bout by a score of 48-47. Though most can agree that what they witnessed in Saturday's headlining bout was one of the greatest fights in MMA history, the outcome of the encounter has since been up for debate.
While Henderson's devastating H-Bomb threatened to end the bout on multiple occasions, including a third-round shellacking that left onlookers cringing as Josh Rosenthal came within moments of calling an end to the fight, Rua battled back as well, landing big shots of his own and maintaining positional dominance for the entirety of the final frame. For some, Shogun had done enough to earn a 10-8 in the closing minutes of the match-up, effectively evening the score to force a draw. But, to others, the judges had gotten right, awarding Henderson three-rounds to Rua's two. But, what do you think LowKick'ers? Were the judges on point or short a point in San Jose? And what about Rua's call for a rematch? Can a second showdown between the two legends possibly live up to the first?
Further Reading: Dan Henderson looks back at UFC 139, wants Jones-Machida winner next
Photo: Lyoto Machida, left, fights Maurcio Rua at UFC 104 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California, on October 24, 2009. Francis Specker
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Fight was a draw for sure. 1st round was very close 10-9 Hendo, 2nd was a clear 10-9 hendo, 3rd was also a 10-9 Hendo, 4th was a 10-9 Shogun and 5th was a 10-8 Shogun.
Shogun is right, these kinds of fights define legacy's....this is prolly the best fight either of these 2 fighters have ever had n most likley will be remembered for having this war, would love to see them fight again...this fight delivered like only 2 pride fighters could
Well rematch it is than......
Wrong ^
yeah i thought the same thing as well.. but just in case i re watched the fight and it was a draw at least in my point of view
This is why we tap keyboards and leave the real judging to professionals.....
"Were the judges on point or short a point" very good Ryan
Thanks, but I'm Joey :)
lmao
I haven't watched the fight again but I remember the 5 round was a 10-8 possibly 10-7(mount like 4 or 5 times + GnP for like 4 mins) Henod might have had one 10-8 round can't remember which one though. Rua won the fourth(that upercut changed the fght) Hendo dominated the first but did get dropped or was that the second round ? lol It was a crazy fight I'd have to watch it again to be sure. I 100 % do not want to see a rematch because there's no way it would go down like that again.
Yea, round 5 was a clear 10-8 for me, not enough damage to be a 10-7, but being in mount the hole round landing gnp consititutes more than a 10-9. Round 3 was Hendos biggest, he almost finished, but people forget Shogun went for that heel hook with over 2 minutes left and got up and controlled the rest of the round. In round 4 Shogun did alot of damage, so its fair to call both round 3 and 4 10-9. Also round 1 was very close. Half points are necessarry IMO, becuase a 10-9 round can look like so many things, and judges for some reason don't like scoring rounds 10-10.
I Agree strongly it was a draw, he deserves another shot - i can tell you Dan doesnt want a rematch...lmao
I didn't want the instant rematch between Fitch and BJ, I didn't want the instant rematch between Silva and Sonnen. I didn't want the instant rematch between BJ and Edgar. However, this one was so epic and in my opinion so obviously a draw it needs to happen!
Two words for Shogun.... "sore loser".
This guy needs to be nominated for biggest douchbag on lowkick. He'll win easy.
That was a great fight 1 of the best but it was def not a draw...showgun can't stand it that he got smacked around by a 41 yr old henderson that really put it to him the fight should have been stopped late in the 3rd showgun was taking a beating.........................................................and just 4 argument sake if all you believe that round 5 was a 10-8 for showgun then you have to say that round 3 was a 10-8 for dan ending the fight
henderson--- round 1 a 10-9 showgun-- round 3 a 10-9
round 2 a 10-9 round 4 a 10-8
round 3 a 10-8
total 47-46 still ending the fight DAN HENDERSON WINNER
thank you, very well put.
Wait ! I'm confused.... Come Again ?
He lost 3 en won 2 i think is good. Hendo is de winner
henderson--- round 1 a 10-9 round 2 a 10-9 round 3 a 10-8 showgun-- round 3 a 10-9,,round 4 a 10-8
total 47-46 still ending the fight DAN HENDERSON WINNER
the fight was a draw but the rematch should happen a few fights down the line
No draw here mister Rua,you sir need to work on your cardio ASP! it's quite embarrassing that you gas every single time after 1 round or at the end of it,cardio,cardio,cardio! maybe talk to Cain,he can help you out with that! Hendo looked like a true BUM in rounds 4 and 5,he won though,but there's no way he's beating Jones,he'll gas like the old fart that he is in 2 seconds!!!!!
he didn't gas at all. he was beaten to a pulp, the energy exerted taking a beating like that would leave you with a serious energy dump, and if i remember correctly he was landing G'nP in the 5th constantly, so how did he gas? AND when was the last time you saw a 5 round slugfest like that? OH WAIT, NEVER!
Com one, bro!!!!
Hendo beaten to a pulp??!!!!!
did you actually watch the fight at all?!
Shogun took the last 2 rnds, thats true.
But in the 5th when he had him mounted on multiple occasions, how much "damage" did he actually inflict?! Very little actually....
You cant say that Hendo was beaten to "pulp", how many clean blows did he land from the mount position, not many.
Shoguns moment to stop the fight was when he had Hendo hurt in the 4th rnd. But he couldn't because he was too tired.
And in my personal opinion( i can be wrong) it wasn't that Shogun has bad cardio, because BOTH of them need to work on their cardio real bad...
Shoguns 4-5th rnd was more that Hendo gassed out than Shogun turning it back up.
Just want say that i love both of them, and couldn't really pick a winner but i gave a little edge to Hendo because of his momentum, his H-bomb and that he has never been ko'd before.
Now after the fight i think that it was a slight edge in the fight for Hendo, but i wouldn't have cried myself to sleep if it was a draw either.
3rd rnd 10-8 Hendo & 5th rnd 10-8 Shogun.
Hendo wins it, if only by a slight margin.
Read the comment, i never said hendo, i said SHOGUN. SHOGUN you cretin.
and stop calling it the H-bomb, it's an overhand right. you sound like idiot that calls the strikeforce fight's.
Relax dude. You got your period or what?!
Yeah, its an overhand right but its called the H-bomb!!!!
Maybe you don't like it, but thats your problem.
Also Overeem knees are called Ubërknees...
Get over it....
And read your own comment a little bit, read your answer to the previous writer. If i'm wrong then clearly maybe you needed to clarify that that it was Shogun you meant and Hendo.
Not Hendo.
I agree that if a rematch should happen; then it should be down the line a bit.Let the dust from this one settle so these two can lick their wounds and come back strong and ready like they did in this fight. Besides, with a fight this epic, why depreciate the historical value of this great moment in time by having an immediate rematch?
You can't blame a fighter after fighting for 5 rounds in possibly the greatest war of our time to think a rematch is on the cards after finishing the fight like he did.
Rematch wouldn't particularly make sense, and wouldn't resolve any issues with the ranking's in the division. No question if the rematch was made i'd be MORE than happy to watch, and it would sell itself after this fight. However, the issue of who does Shogun possibly fight next? Davis? Bader? Bonnar?
IMO at the very least the fight was a draw. Whenever I'm deciding for myself who won or lost a fight I always consider if the fight were to go one more round who would win. And to me it looked like if they had one more round to go Shogun would have definitely finished him. So even tho Hendo won more rounds I think that the last round was at least a 10-8 maybe even 10-7 for Shogun.
look, all of you who think that it was a draw, watch the fight again without the beer goggles. Round 1 could have been a 10-8 for Dan, if you think round 5 was a 10-8 for Rua. then you have Dan winning 10-9 in the 2nd and 3rd. How in the world could anyone want a rematch except for the pure excitement of the fight itself. Face it, the Shogun we all loved in Pride is not with us any longer, need another fight to believe me? watch Rua vs. Coleman. All we have left is an empty chuteboxe shell of what was, a roller coaster ride of fights that are at times great and others..... well watch the Coleman/Rua
It was a close fight and controversial. There should be no doubt as to who the winner is between these great warriors. They should fight again.
no rematch. henderson vs. jones/ machida, shogun vs rampage.
I had the 1st rd 10-10
2nd and 3rd 10-9 hendo
4th and 5th shogun
48-48 clearly
to give either guy an 8 in that type of fight is kinda disrespectful. they both WARED and r legends, no way i give one of them an 8 unless im a fighter myself.
4th and 5th 10-9 rua, forgot to add the 10-9
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Under pride rules Shogun would have won that fight, under UFC rules it was a draw. 10-9 Hendo, 10-9 Hendo, 10-9-Hendo, 10-9 Shogun and 10-8 Shogun. Last round was even one of those rounds that could be argued as a 10-7 not sure Hendo would have been able to answer to call for a 6th round.
Shogun's last rematch went well for him so I can see why he's down for this. But in the 2nd Machida fight, Lyoto came out way more agressive which played into Shogun's strengths and took the Dragon out of his usual counter fighter stance. I don't see Hendo changing things up too much in a second fight.
I think that Hendo also had a 10-8 round so I would say that he won but I could also see calling it a draw. It was a very close fight. That said I think it would be best to have Hendo fight the winner of Jones V Machida and maybe have Rua V Evens to decide the #1 contender.
It wasnt a draw. BS. I was at the fight. Shogun was losing in the first couple rounds but blew out the last round. It was close to being stopped so Shogun got screwed ! He was winning in the 5th for sure. BS and biased judging.
That said was disappointed Shogun didnt use his arsenal. he looked off and his timing was bad. He has great Muy Thai kicks but barely used them to any effectiveness. Truly a disappointing performance against a smaller/lighter Hendo.
I can understand Rua wanting a rematch because the fight was so close
but if Rua would have got the decision Hendo would have wanted a rematch too. I do happen to agree in this case though that the last round should definately have been a 10-8 for Rua. Hendo was completely gassed and offered no offense at all in that round, it was all Rua, he took Dan down at will and repeatedly mounted and then ground and pounded Dan. Hendo was that gassed he couldn't even get to half guard never mind full guard. It is a very difficult fight to call though because you also have to take into account damage, and Hendo definately inflicted the most damage. I would have hated being a judge trying to score this one but if i were, overall i would have honestly called it a draw. It was one of the best fights of the year though for sure, definately up there with the all time classics.......great fight.
This fight shows how badly MMA scoring needs to be redefined.
The "10 point must" system is a relic from boxing matches. First, boxing doesn't have the stylistic range of MMA.
Basically, boxing is about who punches who more. There are so many variables in a MMA match, striking, take downs, take down defence, submissions, octagon control ect ect.
And championship boxing matches last 12 rounds, so the difference is scoring is averaged over a longer period, and ends up reflecting the fight more often.
The reason why round 5 wasn't 10-8 is because judges almost never give that score. And 10-7 never happens. Ever.
So, even though they say it's a 10 point scoring, it's really a 2 point system. All rounds end up 2-1, or sometimes 2-0 or very rarely 2-2.
Why not make it out of 20? Even 100 per round. Who cares how boxing is scored. It's like trying to score football and rugby using the same rules.
And anyone who thinks it was a draw probably took Shogun in the Lowpick. Seriously, Rua had some moments of superiority in that fight, but the rounds Hendo took, he wasn't just superior, he was dominant.
A fighter can get beat up and still win (right Frankie) but in a close fight, take a look at the guy's faces. Rua looked like 5 miles of bad road when that was done. Dan might have lost the last 2 rounds, but he won the fight.
cranestyle is right on the money.
Couldn't be any clearer than that.
Hendo definitely took 3 rounds & it's obviously because Rua came back so strong & looked like he was going to finish the fight that people think it was at least a draw.
It was a case of too little too late. It was an epic fight though & both gave it everything.
It proved one thing to me though. Hendo still has possibly the best chin in MMA today. The guy just won't stay down! Nothing wrong with Rua's chin either!
I would love to see these guys rematch. Those 2guys make MMA what it is today. When you look n the dictionary and see the word WARRIOR u see Hendo and Shogun. Hands down one of the best fights of ALL TIME.
Im a big fan of Shogun and Hendo but even how great they are. They have no chance against Bones Jones. I know Hendo has the H-Bomb but Jones has all the tools to stay away from that. Also very smart fighter. We seen what happened to Shogun when Bones just beat him up like he was picking on his little sister.