Shane Carwin: My cardio was fine, but not my body

Thats the future champion right there.

Ditto and definitely sharp. Btw for the haters that is a reason he gave and not an excuse.

It's brocks haters that seem to be making excuses. ie: omg if carwin ahd cardio brock would be done!!!



Yea, i'm sure everyone would be in trouble if a fighter could punch as hard as he could and never...EVER get tired.

Lesner got molested.

You mean except for that part where he absorbed more damage than anyone ever has and still gotten up? Stood up, with the 2nd most powerful wrestler in MMA history on his back. Stood up, and was fine. 70 power shots from Shane, many to the face and head, and Lesnar yawned.



Who was it that went to sleep in that fight again? It was the guy who you think won even though he lost right?

I can't wait to see who he fights next, maybe a rematch wit Mir or the loser of the Dos Santos/Nelson fight both would b sick fights

I don't think Mir would deserve that fight, to fight the #2. And, I think Mir would get monkey-stomped again. Mir is a gatekeeper until he leaves the HW division.

I agree that Mir doesn't deserve a shot yet but don't count him out. He needs to bring in some top collegiate HWs to work take down defence and wrestling with six days a weak. I don't know that he will do that but if he does he has a good chance. He is a better striker and has better BJJ. If he would just pull his thumb out of his ass and learn how to wrestle he would be back in the top 5.

It takes just as long to master wrestling as it does to master JJ. The problem with Francsis is that even if he started training nothing but wrestling, he'd never be advanced with it before his career is over. And improving won't bring him close to Shane or Cain or Lesnar's level. They're still improving their wrestling every day.

he'll get a rematch... and ktfo of lesnar

distant future, lesnar is gonna continue to prove you all wrong, and one day soon....you may find yourself respecting him

every human physiology is unique, lesnar is superhuman for eating all those punches. i doubt carwin would still stand up if he will be hit since he almost handed himself to gonzaga.

Cawin had his "puncher's chance" and blew it. He'll fade away.

Standing punches are different.

it's a matter of torque.

You mean like the first punch? The power uppercut that landed on Lesnar's chin and didn't come close to dropping him? Power punches like that? Or, in the 2nd round when Carwin tagged him with another heavy power shot, to the face, and Lesnar didn't feel it.



And, having your head pinned solidly against the mat, and having an elbow smash you in the jaw, is worse than being punched. Didn't effect him.

It looked to me like carwin had an adrenalin dump as if when he was beatin up brock his body was telling him "Oh my god your about to be the champ!" but the fight didn't get stopped and all the excitment left his muscles stiff and the rest is history as shane says

The point though Burnout. Shane, with an adrenaline dump, is if anything going to be hitting harder than ever. He landed on Lesnar, clean, with all his power many times before he gassed. They were ineffective.

Right. Because next time they fight, Carwin will somehow magically be able to strike much harder? Great theory doofy.

He will be smart enough to stand back up.

dude brock was scared of those punches, the first clean hit to the face he balled up and backed straight out. he was getting hurt, don't deny it.



can not wait for the rematch.

That makes sense. And then, somehow by standing up, Lesnar won't be able to shrug off those bombs like he did last time? Shane hit him many times in the face and jaw, with everything he had, when his arms were Fresh, standing and on the ground, and they did nothing.



It's called reality.

Carwin's still a massive ass kicker. I can't wait to see him come back harder. I think we all have to thank him for making Brock a more humble champion. Haha, I think in a way Carwin still accomplished half of his goal last night. ;)

Even though Carwin's coming off a loss, him and dos Santos would be an awesome fight.

Carwin didnt make Brock a more humble champion the fact that he almost lost his fighting career due to a massive health problem changed the way he sees everything.

UFC doesn't work like that. Losers get matched with losers and winners get matched with winners for the most part.



Therefore Carwin will fight the loser of Dos Santos/ Nelson. Whilst the winner will go on to fight the winner of Brock/Velazquez.

Theres no way if nelson wins he should get a title shot

i completely agree. he is not even close to good enough!

so if he beats the arguably #3 or 4 guy right now, u think he doesnt deserve a shot? who is ahead of him?? cain - jds - roy - shane - then who maybe mir? i think roy is fair to have a shot.. hes won all his fights in dominating fashion, never been in trouble, he has been a champ before, what r u people smokin?

He got KOd by Arlovski. Did you mean all of his fights in the UFC? Both of them?

Yes Shane Will be back and i think he wil ltrain harder for the later rds which he wasnt use to going into this fight..I think he will be back and next time will be ready for the later rds.. props to brock he showed he is a true champoin.

Carwin will be back FAST and holding the belt soon enough. He already beat Lesnar in the first round and the ref should have stopped it but thats a discussion for another day.



I can't see any other person in the division (Velasquez, Dos Santos but I actually give Big Country more of a chance ) being able to stand with Carwin or wrestle with Lesnar. These two will be going at it again and Dana will get a good year if not more milking various fight on the way to their rematch.

Lesner has already shown himself to have problems with fellow wrestlers. Randy out wrestled him. Carwin out wrestled him (take down defence is wrestling and he kept him down) in the first round. I see Cain out wrestling him. Big Nog out wrestled Randy in their fight so I see him doing the same to Lesner. I think that Lesner is going to have problems with any good wrestler. He was a champ in college but that was a decade ago in the weakest weight class.

Food for thought:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo09PZAUoXs



Maybe he had a cold?

FEDOR vs CARWIN... winner take on Lesnar after he beats Velasquez

i dont think lesnar could take on cain/. the last fight cain show everyone that he knows how to use his hands more technical then carwin does. technical is is more affective then wild punches.

And before everyone was saying Brock couldnt handle Carwin's power which he did better than anyone else. I don't know if Valasquez has the power to knock out Lesnar, that man has a seriously large skull, and i don't see him out wrestling lesnar or submitting him so the only way he can win is off points by picking him apart and I think lesnar would find a way to finish him before the five rounds is up.

yea its true cain dont have a one power punch but ocumulations of punches can hurt u it dont matter if u have a srtong chin. i think cain could out box lesnar

Brock didn't handle Carwins power! He curled into the fetal position.

Class right there\!



Now that he got submitted, I wonder if Dana is going to call him a Phony, Farce.... Bwahaha!

Yeah, before the Fedor V Rogers fight Dana said he thought Fedor would get KOd. Then when he KOd Rogers Dana said Rogers wasn't a real opponent. Which is it Dana??? Okay, now lets not mention Fedor again. Someone might cry.

Point being, Dana says things.

I'll say two things about the fight:

1) Lesnar is maturing into a better fighter and ?a better man than I thought he could.

2) In my entire life I will never forget the sight of Lesnar turning his back on Carwin and running away!

Carwin will be the champ its just matter of time before he gets into the title fight no matter who the champ is , Lesnar , Cain or Dos Santos

If the champ is Lesner, Carwin will be champ. I think Carwin might run into trouble against a more technical striker, especially one like Cain who also has good wrestling.

amen to that.

I'm happy that Brock won, but I wasn't overly impressed; it sure wasn't sub of the night - Leben and Lytle, were better.



BL was owned in the first. If Carwin could have kept that up, he would not have lost. However, he did not. Sounds to me as if SC was dehydrated, if he was cramping up as badly as he stated.



I picked Shane. I can live with the loss. I can live with Lesnar's victory - good for him. I thought Brock was magnanimous in victory and was not, for the first time, a jerk - good for him, again.



...what a great card UFC 116, was.

Carwin could most definitely be back, however he's no young buck. He's 35 now and could be 36 before he fights again.



Lesnar will fight Cain, (my guess would be at the new years show) and I would assume if JDS keeps winning he would be in line after the Lesnar Cain fight.



Not everyone in this sport is like Randy Couture (see Chuck Lidell), Carwin will likely have at least one really good run back to the title but there are no guarantees he will ever be champion.

That said, Carwin is a young 35. He has never been KOd. That is important for longevity in this sport.

what is the difference between gassing and body seizing up? isnt that just cramp and lack of oxygen? pretty much gassing in severe form if you ask me. But credit to carwin, he took it well and i hope he learns from this. his stand up is good but if he cant sustain more than 1 round i fear it wont be the first time he gets caught out.

nope gassing is when your out of breath and literally can't breathe enough to get enough oxygen....cramping is your muscles giving out because you may not have had enough water or you don't have enough sodium or over a period of time, your muscles have become too tired. not just from the fight but maybe he hadn't rested enough before or it could have been because of the 265 cut and then not rehydrating properly

or maybe he just gassed that bad his muscles weren't getting enough oxygen. watch the fight back and see him breathing on his chair after R1. Poor guy was nearly hyperventilating.

so u fight for 5 min and ur body got flat after. he should be concern,cause that weird.

It isn't weird if he had a bad cut. It happens.

I've said it before, when you are 265(especially if you have to cut weight to get there) if not bigger doesn't matter how good your cardio is those big muscles will gas after a couple of rounds, if not less.

So is having a higher bodyfat percentage a benefit? I doubt it. What you're talking about has nothing to do with what happened

Actually we don't know what happened, there is no doctors note. I'm not a doctor and made a brash statement apologize. But there is a reason why bigger guys like Brock and Carwin tire quicker than the lighter classes. The sheer size of their muscle needs food, unlike the smaller guys whom do not need as much food to sustain a longer and quicker pace. I think there might be a correlation between % of fat vs muscle mass and endurance, after a certain size. I know marathon runners are skinny, but their muscles are not fast twitch muscles, which most explosive athletes have, football for example, great for bursts but not endurance. I think fat has something to do with that along with fast twitch muscles. I would love to know the reason.

I think TenderRainDrop was trying to say it doesn't matter how good your cardio is, at that weight , and with those big muscles your going to gas pretty fast...sounds right to me

Or it could be that muscular athletes work longer to maintain that musculature than they do to have high endurance, especially since both low and high intensity cardio work to lessen muscle mass over time for different reasons.



I'm quite sure people with a higher bodyfat don't have an inherent stamina advantage, they just have more time to train for stamina since they obviously aren't concerned with muscle

fat only gets used up after the body has depleted its normal energy resource. i think the pace Carwin went caused oxygen insufficiency. He was struggling to supply enough oxygen to his muscles to be as active as they were, and hence his body reacted by seizing to protect itself from damage. IMNO

I don't see a reason to train for 'muscle' per say. You hear so many fighters and trainers talk about conditioning, what would be the point to train for muscle gain without the benefit of conditioning? Training for power, speed, cardio and obviously technique makes more sense to me. But having a high fat percentage also doesn't help, i totally agree with that, it's extra weight that'll will slow you down and tire you out.

Fat OR muscle will deplete the blood of oxygen. Bigger guys do gass quicker in fights. Don't take my word for it, go ask a doctor or a personal trainer.

Power and speed comes from training for muscle hey......so does endurance actually.

Muscle strength, not size. Bigger = better to a point. After that it is a drain on your reserves. I guarantee you that neither Carwin OR Lesner will ever be any good in rounds 4 and 5. Muscles like that are great for a Blitz but after that they are an anchor.

BTW, I am 5' 5" and have been as heavy as a very muscular 180lbs. I am now about 145. The 145 me would destroy the 180 me.

Nice to see both fighters giving credit where it's due, it just wasn't Shane's night. I'm sure he'll be back in the mix in no time though, he's a monster.

This is what happens when you never get the chance to go a full round, you just don't learn what the aftermath of swarming over a guy like that is if you don't finish him.



Brock looked horrible the entire fight and win or not Brock is not in my top 5 HWs.

Lesnar got his ass kicked. good job to Carwin he showed he is stronger than Brock.Some saying Brock was respectin Carwin after that fight ofcorse that wath hapens when you get your ass kiccked

Whao! A MORON! Who got submitted? Who is still champion? Thank you..

Carwin is the scariest humble guy I've seen ever! I still can't believe what he did to Lesnar... If he hadn't ran out of gas... Brock would have been in a huge huge physical danger.

Shanes problem was caused by high intensity athletic activity(punching as hard as you can for a minute or more while trying to hold a >265lb man against the floor) which CANNOT be corrected by cardio training or hydration.



The bodies muscles start to cease and tense up in short in order to provoke stoppage of whatever said strenuous high-intensity activity is being performed, in order to avoid permanent damage.



Only solution shane would have is to ease up,which lessens chances of stopping brock or keeping him down. How many people are athletes in here?

I am. I agree completely. What could correct that (to a point) for Carwin would be to lean down slightly. 10 lbs would work wonders for him. The ironic thing is that Carwin should have let him up and beaten him back down a couple of times.

Say wut you want Shane is way stronger than brock and proved it last night when he made him run like a bitch. But as you can see brock is not a real fighter all he can do is take guys down and lay on top of them, even with the smaller heavyweights he can't stand with anybody

how many times have i seen losing spelled wrong on these mma websites. and brett rogers. rodgers?? he's a quarterback. and loosing??? really people??

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/12/99-grammar/

So you are saying the other races are stupid? BTW I am Brazilian, Chinese and Portuguese (ie, Celtic, Moor and Arab) and I am really big on grammar (although I slip up sometimes online ;)).

i dont buy it tbh i said before the mir fight that carwin has some of the worst cardio in the ufc and even after seeing it with your own eyes you lot all believe carwin because he's (humble)

Maybe next time he'll be able to take the belt from Brock... But for now, Brock is THE MAN.

alot of u mma fans thought brock cud never be an mma star,and now every1 loves him.??? i said from the start dat he is unbeliveable person and hes ryt wen he says hes blessed by god.... but carwin fought very well and i thought he was gna beat brock in the 1st round... coz ders no doubt in my mind dat no other heavy weight cud hav taken the beatin carwin gave brock and come back and win.. not even that chicken shit FEDOR! folks brocks the best heavy weight in the world......

brock does get his props for beating carwin after surviving first round, but i think its a little too much to say he is the #1 heavyweight in the world. brock showed great class and heart and talent in this fight.... for the first time in his mma career, so a couple more wins against worhty apponents and then he COULD be considered the best.

CARWIN will get his re-match and he'll play it smarter next time now that he knows how those guerilla arms of Brock's are hard to punch through/around when he's GnP'n. Keep it standing. Everyone already knows Brock can't stand and trade strikes with anyone. Who knows though, he'll be back stronger and maybe he'll improve his boxing. Right now though, the "champ" has zero stand-up striking game. Lesnar answered the questions about his chin, but he's still far from invincible when matched against a guy as big as him. Glad to see Brock do a 180 on his personality though.