i don´t think Guida deserves the shot because in my opinion he did not win the fight against Pettis, Bendo and Guillard could fight for #1 contender and in the meaning time they should bring Melendez to fight for the tittle and find out who is the real world champion... Cerrone should fight Pettis or Siver in my opinion before a tittle shot.
Melvin is at the top of my list, If Gilbert was in the UFC then I would go with him.
Gill and Melvin still haven't beaten top 5 lightweights, granted though they've looked ****ing incredible doing it. Each of them really should have to win one more fight before they get the shot.
Guida and Bendo have, Bendo for me has had to work a lot harder to get where he is but nevertheless they are the two most obvious choices for me. I think Bendo should fight Melvin or Clay for the number one spot.
It doesn't matter in the long run anyway, once Melvin inevitably knees his way to the belt no one's knocking him off for a long time!
You kidding me? Aoki #2? Jim Miller had to be inside top 5 - the man had the largest winning streak outside of Silva and GSP. Before he lost the fans were all flabbergasted that he hadn't been given a shot yet. Petis too had to be considered top 5 as he came in as the WEC champ and beat Bendo who was considered just outside top 5.
Bendo is the only guy with the wins to earn a shot IMO, but i maintain that they should all have at least one more fight to earn it
You drunk bro?
Edgar beat the best LW of all time, BJ Penn, twice and did it convincingly. He has also beat Miller, Tyson, Bocek and Sherk.
Maynard has beat: Florian, a long time LW top 5; Siver; Miller; Diaz and the current champ Edgar.
With those two resumes how could you posible say Gilbert's is better? Yes he has beaten all the top LWs outside of the UFC, except Alvarez, but he hasn't even fought a top 10 UFC LW.
Also Aoki has never been #2.
Check the facts before you make DUMB statements mate.
I wouldn't say I'm OCD but I hate being wrong about MMA aswell and not to sound ****y, I rarely am (mainly because my friends dont watch it as much as me). When I am proven wrong I respect that because I feel I know a lot about MMA so if someone proves me wrong then they know more than me about my biggest passion, which impresses me.
I'll apologise for my aggresive reply I gave as it looked to me as if you were just throwing stuff out there and didn't know what you were talking about and were maybe even trolling, but that was my mistake. From your reply to me you obviously know what your on about and have strong and sharp opinions.
As for the Aoki not being #2, I'll have to take your word for it and the stats. I'm only 18 and have watched the sport for just over 2 years, before that I didn't watch MMA at all, I was really into other sports (primarily rugby). I shouldn't talk about things I don't know about I jut ahd never heard any talk about him being at #2 so I hastily posted my statement.
I think we will have to agree to disagree about some other points though. I really think Miller was top 5, definetly 4 maybe even 3. I think the only thing that stopped Miller from winning that fight was wrestling. Ben was able to keep top-control, he was able to push him up against the cage and that was basically the story of the fight. Miller had the advantage in submissions, which he showed through a couple of very close calls. I think Miller also had the stand up advantage and even dropped Ben in the third. With all that in mind I still think Ben won the fight by a stretch and I feel Miller needs to go work on his wrestling big time - his 3 losses to 3 great wrestlers.
Yea Miller is definetly the kind of guy which seems to just go out there without a game plana nd just trys to ethier submit or knockout the opponent along theway, one of the reasons why I like him so much. As far as entertainment value, his style is at the top, but as far as success he might need to change it up a little bit and like you said invole a gameplan.
I agree, I think Bendo has perhaps the best sub D in MMA, I can't think of anyone else and if so probably top 3 then. Not just from thsi fight, many other but Pettis had him in some situations which looked like game over but he managed to escape te submission, as always.
Miller is one of the top BJJ guys at LW, theres very few people which in my opinoin have a decent chance of submitting Ben (unless a complete flash/fluke sunk in choke). Aoki has the jits, BJ if he comes back down and maybe Sotiropoulos.
heh. I won't even bother with this one.
Why is Guillard a good choice for number one contender? He is on a 4 fight win streak but its not like he beat a bunch of contenders. Only reasonable picks are Henderson, Guida and Melendez. Both Henderson and Guida beat number 1 contenders in Miller and Pettis and Melendez is there because he is SF lightweight champ.
Yea Guida and Henderson seems like the best and most sensible fight right now, and they are both unbooked so I don't see why not.
Even though he hasn't fought a lot in the UFC, Bendo beating Miller puts him right up there, top 4 LW in the world in my opinion. Guida's recent form, especially beating Pettis (which he did), puts him right up there aswell. A #1 contender fight shouold happen.
Putting this fight on the UFC 139 card, most likely in San Jose, seems possible and a good date for both of them.
watch the guy fight, that should answer your question
Don't forget he has to get by Joe Lauzon first. It's a pretty bad matchup for him, Lauzon (in the first round epecially) is very hard to deal with.
I agree he is destroying everyone put infront of him but I think its true that he needs top tier competition to be given a title shot.
Joe Lauzon is a good name and will be his hardest test so far in this title run, after that 1 or maybe 2 hard fights to get his shot.
I think Gilbert Melendez will be fighting the winner of Edgar/Maynard III.
The winner of that will fight the winner of Bendo vs. Guillard (that would be an amazing fight)
I had to give it to Guillard for the way he's been finishing fights, but at the same time I think they all deserve shots apart from Silver and Donald. The LW division is so damn stacked with talent, not to mention a lot of these guys are so evenly matched.
guillard just needs a top 10 guy under his belt and that should solidify him as no 1
Yeah agreed. I don't really understand why the UFC gave him Lauzon. It seems like everytime Lauzon wins one fight they turn around and give him a top guy. I feel like they rushed to give Melvin another fight after he beat Roller instead of waiting to give him another top guy.
you never know dude, it could be a big upset if lauzon wins, its mma after all
siver and guillard cant have the title shot, they are fighting stout and lauzon. theres no way that someone can have a title shot after beating those 2 guys. siver needs a win over a top 5 fighter and guillard to. if gilbert melendez doesnt fight masvidal he could maybe have the title shot. if not it will make sense a fight between ben henderson and guida. dont forget that guida won the fight with the n1 contender at the moment. so did ben henderson so the winner of that fight will make more sense on getting a title shot. then maybe if guillard beats lauson and melendes beats masvidal they could fight for the next contendership.
Siver beat G-sots who was thought to get the title shot after that fight, G-sots was a top 5 at that time.
edson barboza is fighting on ufc rio... that guy is great to. if he wins i will make him fight cerrone. that fight will be great
That fit wouldn not be great, it would be INSANE
This would be a nice tournament right here. Too bad they couldn't do a grand prix for the light weight division. Most of these guys are well deserved for a shot.
You can pretty much make a case for Melvin, Bendo and Guida in my opinion. I think Gilbert needs to have one more fight before they have him jump over to the UFC but would love to see Gilbert fight the winner of Edgar and Maynard because IMO he's the best 155 fighter in the world.
At the rate Edgar and Gray fight, Bendo and Guida have time to fight with Guillard taking another top contender on and then hopefully the winner of Edgar/Gray 3 will be ready..
how does melendez deserve a shot?
by taking the same road Nick Diaz did.
I don't think the Diaz route and Melendez route are comparable. Diaz is in a division where one guy has beaten every relevant person in the division and he's a good sell(possibly the only great sell right now apart from GSP switching weight classes) for this guy(GSP). Melendez on the other hand is in a weight class full of bad asses and no official king of the division. I think he needs to fight one of those top UFC fighters before he gets a title shot. There's definitely a difference in the UFC lightweight division vs. Strikeforce. It would be fair at this point to give a title shot to either Ben Henderson or Melvin Guillard, but I'm leaning more towards Ben because he just beat a top top competitor in the division decisively. Either way, most of these guys will end up fighting eachother at some point so it really just comes down to timing.
Watch MMA kid.
when guillard beat roller he wanted to fight in houston, im sure he would have fought anybody that wanted to on that card, which is why he isn't fighting a top 10 opponent yet.
None, and I do mean NONE of the UFC's current lightweights have a win over Clay Guida. He just beat the WEC champ and is on a four fight win streak.
Bendo was very impressive in defeating the guy I had thought of as #3 in the UFC. I know MMA math doesn't work, but Bendo lost to a guy who Guida beat pretty convincingly. For me, it's hard to justify giving Bendo the shot over Guida.
IMO Cerrone has yet to face a top tier LW in the UFC. Siver just lost. Melendez is not in the UFC right now - that's not going to happen any time soon.
I could see giving the shot to Guillard; he has a very impressive streak. I would like to see Guida vs. Guillard for the winner of Edgar vs. Maynard.
Oddly enough, I agree :)
Guida always seems to fall short of the recognition he deserves. I don't think I ever saw Guida NOT give a 100%. I think Bendo and Guida would be an awesome matchup, but I still feel Guida is ahead of him in the race. Plus there may need to be some hair regulations instituted for that fight
I weaked you bescause there is no way in hell you can say Guida beated Pettis convincingly, not even on the ground. Pettis won that fight...
Pettis looked great in his sub attempts but they were almost all from.....on his back? Guida took him down at will, and while a lot of those subs were close, Guida was more dominant. That's pretty convincing....
So your definition of Convincingly is that he took him down and no mater that the guy on top was closer to get submitted you still gave it to him?
The division is packed with contenders.If u look at it they all deserve a shot,coming off great wins.Personally Hendo impressed me by completely dominating Jim Miller ,who IMO is ranked right up there with the rest.
So i say Hendo,but anywhich way it goes Maynard or Edgar will not be champion for long.
George Sotiropoulos would have won against Dennis Siver he would get a title fight Dana has promised to do this ! They expected Siver would not be a problem for Geroge !
and now Siver got 4 wins in a row he really deserve a title fight he fight so long in spectacular fashion for da UFC!!!! Come On !! or they will not let him because he is German ??
Seeing many posts debating who should be ranked where and who's resume is better.
I couldn't care less to be honest as the simple fact is this LW division is beyond what anyone could have ever dreamed of in the early days of Pride and UFC. The talent is amazing. Guida, Edgar, Maynard, Guillard, Melendez, Alvarez, Cerrone, Siver the list goes on and on. if only BJ would drop back down too!!! All of them are worthy champions IMO but without a doubt Edgar is my favourite for the simple fact he don't cut much and relies on technique and speed. Something bruce lee would have approved of very much. If any of these LWs can put on a similar streak to what GSP and Silva have achieved it will be by far the most impressive win streak ever due to how good their opposition is.
melvin and clay would be a good fight. i need to see ben do more in UFC before giving him a shot. maybe even melvin would be good too.. i just feel like clay kinda deserves at least a number one contender shot. hes a hard worker and always brings it for the fans.