LowKick.com Community MMA Rankings for April 20th

I wish the MMA world would look at Fedor in context. The idea that the man is still one of the P4P top 10 is a joke after 2 terrible losses.



The man WAS the best ever, that's probably a fact, but the MMA world has passed him by now. To put him above Maynard, Melendez, Diaz, Rua Evans is ect. is wrong



To put him above Lesnar and JDS, who'd probably beat Fedor pretty easily, is a also probably wrong. I know they're heavier but Brock moves a lot fast than Fedor does and JDS probably has better hands and again is a lot more athletic.



But to put him above Lesnar and JDS in the p4p, who he'd almost definitely loose against



Just to point out, I'm not Fedor hating, I just think people need to get real about how good he is now.

I so often get frustrated reading comments on Lowkick and have to restrain myself from getting into a keyboard war. It's nice to finally read someone talking sense.



I don't know how many people are in the lowkick community but for enough people be voting for fedor to have him in the top 10 p4p is embarrassing. And if he is top 10 p4p, where is he in the heavyweight rankings? Isn't it strange to have someone ranked p4p but not ranked within their own weight class?



People will say the rankings are about opinion and everyone has the right to their opinion but come on! Try to keep your opinions based on fact people! Why not have Tank Abbott in there?



Fedor was the best in the world for a long time. Maybe the best ever. But he is NOT a top pound for pound fighter today. Nor has he been for some time.

I certainly have no problem with Fedor not being in the top 10 p4p, but I think a win over Hendo should without a doubt give him a place low on the list. The guy is a LHW, hell maybe even a MW, fighting at HW. It's his own fault he doesn't cut weight and carries alot of fat, but that still counts for something.

imo fighting hendo isnt goning to prove anything....fedor gets the loser of werdum vs overeem...nd hendo keep ko people at light heavyweight i feel the same way bout silva vs gsp

@Milt

At one point on this website Cain was ranked above Fedor at HW but Fedor was ranked higher P4P. For some reason the Fedor nuthuggers can't be objective. How long can someone live off their PAST record. Fitch has more of a case for being in the top 10 P4P imo.

I don't want to get into a big thing here but...



When speaking p4p rankings, you have to understand that this is the section of rankings that is the most loosely based on "facts". Not to say that the fighters resume isn't the most heavily weighed factor, but overall abilities, and who has the most impressive skill set, usually weigh pretty heavily.



To put it into context, alot of people still put BJ Penn in their top 10 p4p (now, a fight ago, 2 fights ago, 3 fights ago ect. a perennial top 10 p4p guy). This is a guy with multiple losses at WW, and 2 losses against a guy who is naturally lighter than him.



"To put him above Lesnar and JDS, who'd probably beat Fedor pretty easily, is a also probably wrong. I know they're heavier but Brock moves a lot fast than Fedor does and JDS probably has better hands and again is a lot more athletic."



I won't waste time explaining the Brock part of our comment, but you bring up a good point in JDS. Although, simply speculating that JDS would "probably" beat Fedor "easily" has no bearing on rankings. I personally think that would be a competitive fight. Fedor showed he couldn't handle a big and highly skilled fighter (with 60 pounds on him), and we are soon going to find out if JDS can. Cain Valasquez is around the same size as JDS and he is in the top 10 p4p, so surely if JDS beats Brock he will be there.



I personally have Fedor in my top 10 p4p. When I try to imagine people his own size (naturally) beating him, I can't. The fight with Hendo will definitely shed alot of light on Fedors p4p status though.

finally some people who speak the truth about fedor. i agree with top two comments 100%. its pure bias that fedor is on the p4p list. the older fans need to relize his time has come and gone, and the sport has past him by. he will always be legendary, but these are CURRENT rankings, thats why they get updated.

dray12, you say people put bj penn in the top 10, but he isnt on the main list is he? and plus bj just went to a draw with the #2 or 3 guy in ww, so id rather see bj on there than fedor. and you say the hendo fight should " shed alot of light on Fedors p4p status", but i dont see how. their both past their primes and hendo comes from a lower wheight class. i can see it now, if fedor wins hes gonna be back in the top 5 p4p, which would be ridiculous.

I don't get it. Are people offended or jealous that Fedor has the most loyal and die hard fan base in MMA(history)? Or is it just a defensive reaction to all the irrational Fedor "nuthuggers" out there (which I'll admit account for a large portion of his fan base).



Whether Hendo is past his prime or not, he just demolished a big, strong and skilled LHW fighter in Feijao. If Fedor beat Hendo convincingly, would that not say something about how Fedor would fair against the rest of the LHW division? A weight class full of fighters who are as big if not bigger than Fedor?



"older fans need to relize his time has come and gone, and the sport has past him by"



Newer fans need to realize its foolish to write a fighter off after 2 losses against good fighters who outweighed him heavily.



"plus bj just went to a draw with the #2 or 3 guy in ww, so id rather see bj on there than fedor"



Even before that fight I'm sure he was on alot of peoples p4p list. I think alot of people are biased and they don't even realize it. BJ Penn consistently loses, but then on the countdown show for his next fight, he is re-focused and better than ever (again). He's been saying that since his second fight with Jens Pulver. BUT, I think BJ is so extremely talented and his skillset is ridiculous that I can understand him being on the p4p list. If he fought at LW and used his wrestling more, I truly believe he could beat almost anyone. My point is that BJ Penn is a UFC fighter, and that plays into alot of peoples minds.

I don't want to get in a keyboard fight but I want to say that a lot of Fedor fans mention his size as an excuse for his losses. That's on him. You can weight in lighter in the HW division and use the speed and agility advantage it gives you or you can bulk up. Fedor carries too much fat to use the advantage it can give you and that's on him. Also I'm not ruling him out, I'm just saying on the last 2 fights you can't call this man top 10 p4p in the world. He's shown he has glaring weaknesses in his game.

Fair points for sure. I understand not having him in the top 10, and he has shown glaring weaknesses in his game. As for the weight thing definitely his own fault, but I still think he is a highly skilled as HW, and I do believe he would have his way with most LHW's. If he dominates Hendo, I think he deserves a spot, and I would like to see him fight another guy his own size after that.

Arguably yeah, he'll have to fight smart though. He doesn't want to strike with some of the fast LHW's out there. I think Hendo vs Fedor will just be a wrestling match cos i can't see either of them going out. If he beats Hendo he has a shout to get back in the top 10 but I honestly don't know how he'd deal with someone like Rashad or Jon Jones. Although tbf I don't know how anyone would deal with Jon Jones! Unless you have a tank and a lot of ammunition.

That said good for Jon Jones! Wonder how long it is before he's top of the p4p?

reem hasnt fought beat anyone in the top and hes no. 3 if he beats werdum then he takes no. 3, if that.

Overeem is scheduled to fight 2x this year against Werdum and Silva (and the Grand Prix should conclude late this year hopefully, or early next year -- possibly facing Kharitonov/Barnett in the finals).



If he wins (like everyone is predicting to) then Overeem should be at least #2 in my book.

dennis siver above melvin guillard? i think people are showing favoritism during these votes.

Good that Fedor is in the top 10 at p4p.

But one thing that is impossible in the charts: How can Overeem be better than JDS p4p division but not in the heavyweight division. Overeem is heavier than JDS. This make absolutely no sence. If JDS is lighter and better than Overeem then surely he must be better than Overeem in the p4p division also

I cant be the only one frustrated by this

ok ok ok ok ok HOLD UP!!!!!!!



WHY THE FU*K is Roy Nelson a top 10 HW??????



This is a classic example of how simply BEING in the UFC will get you a better ranking than you deserve......



Is he on there because he survived against JDS? (30-27, 30-26, 30-27). Or because he won TUF?????????



2-3 in his last five fights. 'Nuff said.

by your same reasoning for ranking fedor p4p, maybe roy should be ranked p4p since his natural weight is probably middleweight too!



maybe we could have a p4p superfight between roy and fedor at 155lbs!! haha

Only problem is, Roy Nelson hasn't beaten any top 10 HW's....EVER!



Stick to posing for pictures half naked with your butt-buddy, buddy. And keep clicking "funny" on your own comments.



:)

LMAO. I was afraid someone would actually look at my rankings! But honestly mine are complete trash I did them in literally a minute. I've looked at alot of poeples, and they may as well be called "top 10 favorite fighters" instead of rankings. I'll update mine soon though, cause I've probably contradicted myself in a shitload of posts.



But that aside, your comment doesn't change the fact that Roy Nelson has no business being in the top 10.

"who are now both top 13-18 ranked fighters by my estimation"



It doesn't matter how they are ranked "now", it matters how they were ranked the time of the fight. Especially when you consider they (Shaub and Struve) are both young fighters who are improving at a faster rate than Nelson.



Looking at your rankings, I actually like the fact that you have Big Nog in their at #10, but I won't go into that. I'll say that I'd probably bump Fedor ahead of Mir. I'd also bump JDS up to third. That would roughly makeup my rankings, but I would probably have to think longer to make them more accurate.

True, those are all fair points, and i definitely agree with the last thing you said about the whole heavyweight picture. I still think JDS should be ahead of Carwin, and could be ahead of Brock, but I get what your saying. I can't remember but I'm sure Randy, Frank and Shane were all top 5 when he beat them, even though the quality of his win against Shane wasn't so great, and Frank is not top 5 anymore. HW division is a bit tricky to judge...

wheres the featherweight p4p

How the hell is Fedor in the top 10 p4p when there are 7 guys ranked above him in his own division who are not on the p4p list???



There must be a lot of completely illogical people on here.

Because Fedor is the lightest HW

It must be noted that he does exhibit the same reverence when he speaks about Rashad Evans.

Damn it. I went to log in and then clicked on the wrong post. Please disregard.

everyones number 1 to me on 420

I agree with the fact that "GSP is #2 cause he didn't kick somebody in the face right?"

Simply because he is the only long-time &still; reigning champ who dominates his fights (except his last fight which he still deserved to have the win). Take their two last fights, at UFC 117, silva was getting punished very badly, but hopefully had an opportunity to win, and got it, without this opportunity, he was down in the contendership place. In his last fight, yes he won, yes it's 1st RD KO, yes it was spectacular, but before that KO, the striking was still equal at 6-6.

Now GSP two last fights: UFC 124, the striking wasn't equal, but it was 110-16 in St-Pierre's favor. 110 is 6.875 more than 10.

Doesn't it prove anything? And Koscheck the wrestler, what happened to him, he got taken down 4 times, taking Georges down only once.

And in his last fight against Shields, wasn't he winning way more decisively, before suffering blood in his eye?

Yes he was. Plus, I'm proud to announce that I wrestled for fun with some friends, with only the use of 1 eye. Let me tell you I wasn't as good as usual

I wouldnt like to add striking because without the depth perception, it'd be very hard.

And, Shields haven't been able to take him down once, while the ground is in comfort zone.







After reading that, you should realize that it's not the "RD 1 KO" that matters but the stats.



Oh, I was going to forget, I personnaly think it proves more if you dominates an opponent who was beating everyone else during 5 rounds, than knocking a guy out in the first round, while the striking was equal. Enough said!