LowKick Awards: MMA Fighter of the Decade

THE NATURAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The natural option is Fedor, 10 years undefeated...

For me it was either between Anderson or Wanderlei....went with Anderson because hes still undefeated in the UFC n has had 7 title defenses n has finished most of his opponents

i actually agree with you that anderson deserves the award. he is fighting in the pinacle organisation of mma currently, unbeaten in the ufc with a record 12 straight win and with a record 7 consecutive title defenses, and unified the Pride and UFC middleweight belts. he not only dominates his division, but went up a weight and literally walked through a former champion and top 10 fighter in forrest griffin and has won either FOTN, SOTN or Ko.OTN awards 7 times in his last 12 fights.

Why not list everyone else's minor, and paper championships, at least be fair with the options.

Had to vote for Couture....he was UFC champion years before the decade began and is still chalenging the top guys at LHW.

Maybe once he retires from the UFC he will have one last fight against Fedor

As soon as you see the record, and the skewed list of achievements, you can really tell who the list is biased towards. Without that BS i would have picked Fedor but remembering what the site was like before he lost...makes me want to vote someone else.

"skewed list of achievements" You mean what actually happened? lol

Wait wait wait wait. You want to deny Fedor's achievements this last decade and vote for someone else just to spite this site?

cool.

Yea kinosis, like the wamma belt being formed as if just to have another belt..and then suddenly disappearing into thin air. Then there's the rings thing who's rules were specialized from the rest of MMA, which is significant because if not for that Arona would have won a decision over Fedor....but we all know kohsaka won later anyways so.....

Man just for that reason i would pick Fedor. I dont think anyone has been undefeated for that long even in Boxing.....

may be ytou are right but i think that anderson silva have the great respect to take that and george stpierre

Mayweather...?

Floyd Mayweather is still undefeated

Bernard Hopkins was ruled the MW div for 10 years, 20 title defences, Joe Calzaghe was undefeated for 11 years, Joe Louis for just under 11, and of course the likes of Marciano and the great one, Ali!

Rochfort it's not to deny it, but i find that when a bunch of people who dont know what theya re talking about agree on something, they always seem to be wrong.



And now that i think about it, it's the first 5 years where Fedor was most impressive, since crocop not as much.

fedor. his place in the rankings at the moment is arguable but imo there is no way he can't be fighter of the decade, heck he's the greatest of all time. he beat nog, cro cop, coleman, randleman, arlovski, sylvia, schilt, herring. these guys were all at the top and most were in their prime when he didn't just beat them, but dominate them all.



and the fact that he went unbeaten for ten years from 2000-2010 makes him the perfect choice for this award.

totaly agree

Fedor has fought 8 times in the last 5 years. His best years were 2000, 2001, 2003. Anderson has fought 14 times in his last 5 years. Georges St. Pierre fought 11 times in his last 5 years.

Tough vote but its like boxing. Stealing the round at the end. Fedor hasnt fought anyone that was good in 5 years. Arlovski threw it to him and he was cut from the ufc cause he wasnt good enough.

A decade is 10 years

Right exactly, and you need to fight all 10 years. He hasnt done anything in 5 years. Im just asking, because I couldnt find the answer, but how many mma fighter of the year awards has Fedor won?

"He hasnt done anything in 5 years" Fail.

*facepalm*

Amen. The answer HAS to be Anderson Silva without a doubt.

AS got submitted twice and lost a UD in his first 5 years, mang.

you are so wrong its not even funny. A silva has only beaten 2 elite fighters his whole career. not sure how you could rank his decade better than fedor, wand, or even randy ...... A silva has got to the most overrated fighter with the most zuffa zombie nutthuggers. Just cause dana thinks hes the best doesnt mean shit!

cowboy, you hit the nail on the head right there my friend!

Finally someone else sees it.

Anderson Silva only fought 2 elite fighters?

Carlos Newton, Jeremy Horn, Chael Sonnen, Damien Maia, Thales Leites, Patrick Côté, Dan Henderson, Rich Franklin.... These are all elite fighters in thier time. Newton was tough not elite. Most of these were in the last 4 years heading towords the end of his mma career.

So yes I would pick him over Fedor who has fought NO ONE worth mentiioning in the last 6 years. He is only 34. Silva is 35 fighting top tier

With this being said anyone who voted for Fedor I cant say its a bad pick because his record speaks for itself. For me personally I like to see people going out of thier career just like they came in, beating that ass!

@overhand right. yeah thats the point with fedor he beat those guys when they were their best, especially in the case of beating nog,herring coleman and cro cop, the way he came back from getting hurt really badly by fujita but the people who are only ufc fans just dont see it or dont want to accept a non ufc fighter can be that good. Id love to see him in the ufc but i dont think it will ever happen.

Ck1, what do you mean they dont see it? I bring up all of Fedors comebacks anytime someone hates on silva for sonnen.



Plus, i'm pretty sure cain, shane, brock etc etc would smash through coleman,randleman,herring, arlovski,silvia etc etc.



It's not that i can't accept a non-UFC fighter, it's that i can't accept such false arguments. I actually look and judge fairly.

@madness.lots of people on here say that fedor was or is not good and dont respect who he fought or how good that guy was. i can admit that recently not looked as good or fought enough but saying that brock, cain, shane etc would smash those fighters, that he did, does that mean they would have beaten them when fedor did or now? and as for brock dont even start me on him. fedor would have walked through him, he doesnt even deserve to be in this conversation and what names exactly has shane fought to be in the conversation aswell? We are talkng about the best guys over the last 10 years. Proper names in the sport. none you mentioned are anywhere near that level yet including cain, And i like cain!!

I dont even care about the HW division at all, but if you could see randleman,coleman,goodridge,kohsaka beating any top HW today at any point in his career then you better make sure you're never in a casino.

There's the arguments i used to see. OK Fedor is the most skilled heavyweight, but alot of heavyweights don't rely ont echnique to win. Of all those fighters you just listed, alot of them could be ran over by today HW's at any point in their career save nog.



Also, in alot of those matches Fedor pulled a comeback which means he dominate them. A win is a win but it just seems like you're not remembering the actual matches and i feel the need to clear the air.

It's Chuck Liddell, because during this decade MMA was still just a growing sport and he made it famous. I don't really think that Fedor made a big impact for making the sport more known like Liddell did. If there wasn't a Chuck Liddell, we might not even know who Anderson, Fedor, GSP or Wanderlei is. He was an icon of the sport. I was actually shocked to see Fedor winning by landslide. In fact I didn't even know who Fedor was until I reached about 3 months as an mma fan.

I respect him for overcoming adversity many times, however to say that Fedor is the fighter of the decade is the biggest joke I've ever heard. Fedor's best years are in 2003 - 2004 - 2005 up to when he fought Cro Cop. His fans are either in denial or too blinded by his meaningless wins over some of the weakest opponents you could ever imagine. That said, he had almost 28 wins in row, which is very impressive however, a lot of them were against no name fighters.

Yup. There is no argument for anyone else. You have to vote Fedor on this one.

yes sir, Im with you

i'd have Matt Hughes at number 2, and here's why:



most ufc wins (18)

most ufc fights (24)

9 title fight wins

5 consecutive title defenses

2nd most ufc fights (12)

record of 45-8

beat penn, st pierre, gracie, sherk



and oh yeah, the greatest welterweight of all time :)

I think that is a strong arguement and I have him 3rd for those reasons. Like I said I can mix up the way I have it ranked a bit and still be happy with the outcome. I have AS at 2nd spot based on how well he has fought and his streak of title defenses and wins within UFC. Also how AS has won fights is in my mind when I score as well since he takes risks and could very well have an even better record if he played safe. I see your point on Matt Hughes though.

I might agree but I can't because of the way he got the title in the first place. It was a double finish. He KOd Newton BUT he was choked out at the same time and the ref didn't see it. It should have been a NO CONTEST. That has always rubbed me the wrong way, especially with the way he showboated afterwards. He may have never gotten the chance to achieve what he has if the ref had just been paying attention. Plus, "Matt Hughes is a ****"(echo, echo)!

Man I really would like to have Wand 2nd but he kind of leveled out when he got to the UFC. He used to be the scariest man on the planet.

@japanegro .wand 2nd, no way.

@madnesstill. yes, of course a lot of those guys are over the hill and some are considered mere shadows of their former selves but what matter is that fedor beat them when they were in their prime and highly ranked and regarded.



nogueira was ranked number 1 and 2 on all 3 times fedor fought him, he stood in nog's guard (one of the best in history) and pounded his face into the mat.



cro cop, another greatest of all time was at the height of his striking prowess when he fought fedor and fedor still bested him on the feet.



he dominated the greatest hws of all time when they were in their prime. true he has slacked a bit in his frequency of fighting and fighting the best out there in recent years but his legacy from pride and affliction alone is enough to make him number one imo. had he have gone to the ufc one could only imagine what he could have achieved.

Overhand you didnt read what i said. I said that at ANY point, those fighters would have been free for any decent HW now. Look at just say...coleman randleman or arlovski, at ANY point. You think they could beat cain,shane or brock? Nog is the only guy who would give them all trouble in his prime.



Imo he was the best for the first part of the decade and anderson has been the best of the second part. Couture has all out fought the ahrdest competition but his record suffers as a result, just goes to show you

no but can you name one heavyweight that beat cain, shane or brock? no. fedor didn't always fight the absolute best but he did while he was in pride, and was unbeaten for the 3 years after that against decent competition. so until someone comes along that can beat as many top opponents as fedor and stay unbeaten for a very long time i don't see how he isn't number 1 let alone best of all time.



silva and gsp would have to fight and the winner would have to either defend their belt for another 2 years or so or remain extremely competitive right up to the time they retire to take the top spot from fedor as the greatest fighter of all time.

I dont understand your question. Name a HW that beat shane cain or brock? Those are WAAAAAYYY harder competition than coleman randleman etc...those guys were never all that. Therefore someone who beat all three of them would have to be ranked higher.



Fedor is the king of the first 5 years like i said, after that not so much

Dude, Brock Lesner is just a Mark Coleman who can't take a punch. The top HWs today are no different or better than those of yesterday. Your argument is ridiculous.

Ichoke you're the reason it's hard not to insult anyone. Yea..like mark coleman could take the equivalent of what brock did from shane? Oh yeah and randleman would look sooo good up against todays top heavyweights, and heath herring? Kohsaka? Hunt?



Yea we've kinda seen how those guys look outside of japan. Just because you have a veritable army behind you saying dumb things, doesn't mean those things are any less dumb.

Look, you have showed everyone you are a moron, we get it. You make fun of coleman and those guys, go back and watch coleman in 2000, that guy would kill Lesnar. You take a coleman in his 40s, look at lesnar in his early 30s, the guy already sucks. He was champ for almost 2 years and he wasn't even fighting 1 of those years. And who is Carwin? Some guy who knocked out Mir, Brandon Vera did that in 1/4 the time it took Carwin so get off the guys nuts, he hasn't done anything in MMA.

You are the reason... blahblahblahblahblah. Any of those guys in their prime stack up nicely with any of today's HWs. Nothing has changed in the HW division. Coleman (in his prime) V Lesner would be the perfect example. Coleman was just a big. strong wrestler who got on top of people and beat them up. Lesner is the same thing. Randlemanin his prime would look fine against todays HWs. The guy saying the dumb sh^t is you. It's as thought you look at these guys as they perform today and think that because they can't compete with today's HW's that the new guys are better than they were in their prime. It is a foolish stance to take. You probably think there is a huge difference between JDS and an in his prime Cro Cop. I reiterate, there is no difference between the HW division today and that of 5 years ago.

quick everyone vote for fedor (not) wouldnt give him my vote if he waz only fighter on list ANDERSON SILVA OR BABY J

No one listened to your not haha! A lot of people here have watched MMA here longer than a month or yesterday whenever you started.

PEOPLE ON THIS REALLY NEED TO PULL DARE HEAD OUT OF FEDORS ARSE

Go watch all of Fedor's fights. There is no way anyone else did what he did in the last ten years.

You need to get your head out of your arse. You're probably one of those people who dislikes Fedor for the sake of disliking Fedor. The facts are there. He beat some of the best in their prime. Yes, he hasn't fought Brock Lesnar, but that is irrelevant in the scope of this poll.

@steven. people like you need to know more about mma than the ufc and the last few years. if you have been a fan of mma for a long time then there is no way you could not accept that fedor is near the top of the list, defo top 3.

Fedor ONLY beat 2 great fighters his whole career.



1. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira

2. Cro Cop



And lost to a good fighter ( Fabricio Werdum )

People can vote Fedor...but the reasons they give for doing it are tempting me to vote for someone else. Sure, there's the undefeated thing, but alot of other people(not even only UFC HW's) could have beat alot of people on that list too if you're being fair.



Also there's this talk of domination...anyone who actually watched all of those fights know that Fedor wasn't dominating, he overcame adversity and won. Alot of people don't like to be honest when they talk about him.

fedor went 10 years unbeaten enough said

did he do it in ufc

He beat a few UFC fighters that were Champs and Contenders in the UFC. UFC had the a lousy Hevy division when Fedor was crushing the worlds best. I will say however that the fight against Arona was probably a loss and Aronas best fight.

no he did it in pride fc which was better than ufc back then, where ure idol anderson silva got his ass handed to him back then

Anwar, save nog none of that list is actually impressive at all. Be honest don't just spew hate with doublestandards attached.

Bad troll is bad.

@stevenl7 exactly you are a ufc lover. fedor was destroying all the best that pride had, when they were their best. you think mir did well beating nog now, fedor smashed him when he was at his best.

Guys, lets not be too mean to Steven. I am guessing his screen name is an indicator of his age. If so, then he is probably just getting into MMA. Lets school him not scold him.

Fedor didnt smash nog. It went to a decision both times.

@ichoke. yeah maybe and anyway this site is for everyone to come on and give their view, so its that what steven thinks then ok. i dont agree but so be it. I also think its a little un fair to asses a fighter who was fighting the big shows 10 years ago to a fighter who is been in the big shows for the past 3 years cos the sport is always evolving and people will constantly look back at fighters who were considered great and say, well where they that great, look at who they fought.

I agree man. I just think we could all be a little less hostile on here.

1. Fedor 2. Anderson Silva 3. Matt Hughes 4. Chuck Liddell 5. Dan Henderson 6. Wanderlei Silva 7. GSP 8. BJ Penn 9. Shogun.



All IMO had their day when they were the best but Fedor is no doubt the king of the decade with AS following him. Matt Hughes had an unreal record and Chuck looked to be the most dominant fighter ever in his day. Dan Henderson was one of the toughest ever defeating one of the most destructive champs in Wanderlei Silva. GSP is amazing and as dominant as anyone has ever been but I only place him lower on this list due to his constant rematches and his inability to prove a finisher, otherwise unreal in his day which is right now. BJ in my opinion could have been higher if he did what was required to always be ready but he simply didn't. Shogun was awesome in his day and may be on a rebound to find that glory he had once again. I wouldn't be surprised if others had different ranks at all since I could change it up a bit and still be satisfied with the results.

10. Randy Couture, IMO he is not a greatest fighter of decade candidate but the fact he is still fighting and Chuck isn't says something about the man. Randy would fall behind these other guys at their prime vs his prime. I do find it a bit insulting to leave out guys like Urijah Faber, Torres and Dominick Cruz as they have been in the game a while and been very dominant too. It's easy to forget these guys because they were in WEC but they are worthy of amazing status.

i like fador but he fights the ufc fighters after there peak if he wants my respect then go to ufc were the prime fighters are at there peak. great fighter but not the #1 GSP/Couture/Dan/Chuck/Matt/Fador

Yeah, past their peak like Arlovski being ranked #2 and coming off a big winning streak. You're a troll or really ignorant.

Kinosis, no way arlovski would have been destroyed by quite a few HW's at any point in his career huh Is it possible these people really arent as good and placed well by default?

It's possible, ufc fighters are always overrated, just like lesnar, carwin, and Cain are now. Regardless, he was ranked #2 by the guys like you in 2009.

You're the kind of genius that thinks brock is a joke and yet cain is a monster for beating a joke. If UFC fighters are always overrated i wonder why we would bother ranking a guy higher because he beat EX UFC fighters who couldn't cut it against current UFC HW's.



Guys like me wouldn't have cared about the HW division back then, guys like you rank people highly just because they are involved with fedor.

your thinking too recently. Fedor definetly for the decade and AS next in line.

You clearly have only been watching MMA for like a year or two. He has beaten current and past UFC fighters when they were in their prime.

why doest he go ufc nd beat dem now yu fool

Its because Fedor is waiting for your spelling and grammar to improve.

falcon silva #2? are you serious? you must be silvas biggest fan. For real.

I am Chucks biggest fan as has always been on my status. I used to hate AS and was mad that he won the award for worlds most dangerous man with Chuck as nominee but I swallowed my pride and had to be serious when all AS did was show me why he is the best. AS is an amazing fighter and has earned me as a fan after many victories and not from the beginning. The guy has nearly out classed everyone he fights and although Fedor is surely the top of this heap AS is my definite 2nd and hate him or not Matt Hughes had an amazing reign. My favourite is at 4th because of his domination run that seemed unstoppable and it may have to do with my bias in that case a bit as well.

Madness is easily Silva's biggest fan. Not falcon.

falcon - I think ppl have to take into account that its a decade award, and not a popularity contest. Im not implying you have done so. but I think Fedor definitely trumps the No.1 spot. then Id have probably Hughes, Wand, Chuck, GSP, as my top five. It is hard to define the order, but as Ive stated Fedor deserves top spot. Silva would be around 6th or 7th.

I agree oon the most imporatant point in this whole debate and that is Fedor without a doubt has earned that spot. I feel AS is well above GSP, Chuck and Wand for the decade also being considered p4p king for the longest time. GSP has had p4p status for about a year, Chuck my favourite was never considered p4p and wand wasn't either. But seriously what about the lighter divisions like 145,135 and Urijah Fabers and Miguel Torres?

falcon- the most important thing is that it's a decade award. I dont think Anderson surpasses wand or chuck. id say between gsp and silva is even though. because if their accomplishments in the past few years.



Who had even heard of anderson pre ufc? and thats when fighters like wand, chuck, fedor etc were at there best and the most recognised in the sport. anderson never done much in Pride.. he was known as the guy who got subbed by that amazing flying heel hook.



I would say he'd have a strong case for the last 4/5 years and I think people are basing their votes on that and not the actual decade.



about the lighter divisions - Faber, Torres etc are still today relatively unknown to many, and I believe that's why they're not in contention, the lighter divisions have really only came to fruition these past couple of years. But I do agree some of the lighter guys deserve a mention.

Well he was in Cage rage as well and there are some decent names in there too. Jeremy horn was an unstoppable man at one point but AS defeated him in his prime too. I am basing his success mostly on his last 5 or 6 years yes but that is part of a decade. Just like I don't count Fedors latest 3 years for much or Matt Hughes latest years for much or Chucks or Wands. GSP has a shorter list of acheivements and his acheivements are more of a safe sporting standard than AS who is exciting and risky at times because he can afford to do such things thanks to his amazing skills. AS has fought more and has fought more variety than GSP who has been fighting rematches against guys he has already been proven to beat. Just my opinion on the matter but all these guys are worth top 10 of decade except maybe Randy respectfully although he too was a great champ I would put him a little lower than all these guys.

falcon - yes I know that its part of the decade, but look at it, from an overall perspective. He also lost four times in that span. Wand was on a 22 fight winning streak over that period and accomplished more than anderson. even though silva beat hendo, id say hendo accomplished more in the last 10 years, he was a champion in Pride at multiple weights. that in itself is a bigger accomplishment over the span of the decade.



also, how can you say anderson has a longer list of accomplishments? they're both champion in their divisions. silva has the unbeaten streak.. but if you really look at it, its the ufc's weakest division and there aren't really many fighters worth talking about. Silva has strayed away from his flashy style as of late. reason being; he's trying not to lose rather than going for the finish... like he used to. he does have skills i'll give him that, but if your honest you'll know he hasn't been using them lately. the fact that GSP has beaten most of his opponents twice... further cements his dominance, rather than the fighters anderson has faced that have later been cut by the UFC.



Couture definitely deserves a mention, he's a hall of famer and a legend in the sport. It would of been a crime to MMA not to have mentioned him.

Couture was another guy that has won titles in 2 different weight classes. And is a five time Champion. that alone is a bigger accomplishment than anything anderson has done.... or ever will do. He has the losses but he was fighting the best the UFC had, consistently in two different weight classes! Can't say the same for Anderson or too many others. really.

I am pretty sure AS would beat most of his opponent twice as well but he is constantly getting new fighters making him test completely different attributes to his game where as GSP did the same thing in many cases all in a row because of the style he had facing him repeatedly. As good as Wanderlei Silvas resume is I think AS would beat him now or back in his day and is a better fighter at his best than Wand was at his best. I think AS is the best fighter in all MMA history but Fedor is the one who deserves the spotlight on fighter of the decade for his length of reign and his overacheiving outcomes.

the fact of the matter is falcon, that the guys anderson was fighting weren't good enough to even hold their spot on the roster. whereas the guys GSP have fought are, and I dont agree with you saying that silva was constantly testing new attributes of his game. GSP faced opponents twice and beat them soundly on each occassion, and each team he rematched was against guys who had gotten better after their first meeting, and GSP still shut them down and dominated them.



Yeah Anderson would beat Wand now... of course, wand is well out of his prime. Wand would of demolished him back in the day, cus back then anderson was fighting at WW and he really is a LHW. Truth is Falcon anderson is a big fish in a small pond. and that's it.



I stand by my original statement: that you are silva's biggest fan. you further proved that by saying you think he's the best fighter in MMA history. I don't even know what to say to that... I just disagree, respectively.

thing is he only defended once in one division and twice in the other. He was unlikely to be able to take title back from Chuck in his prime and the heavies were by far the weakest division back in Randys' day. He is a legend and a true banner of what MMA is about but he is not in this mix.

I know he didn't have the longest title reigns but he did beat Chuck in his prime. I know Liddell then beat him twice after, but still he beat him. I also don't think your respecting Randy's achievements. I will say again he's a five time UFC Champion; and done it between two different weights, you also need to take into account the age of Couture when he achieved this. look a t Chuck he retired just recently at 39. Couture is 47 and is still managing to put together win streaks. I think Randy is way more deserving of his spot than many others.

I actually don't think age should be included as a factor only who was the best in their day and Randys day happened to be when he was older than most. I already gave props for him being in the game while chuck retires much younger but Chucks reign was more spectacular than Randys IMO. I actually still think Chuck could out fight Randy and most of the UFC greats including current champ but I feel his chin is now too suspect.

You think it's not a popularity contest? Well i guess i'll just say water is dry and match that remark.

These delusional Fedor fans will probably still vote for him for fighter of the decade in 2021 even if he retires in 2013. I would not be surprised if they did that too.

Underdog, I actually think Fedor might lose to AS now and p4p is better than Fedor ever was but I think Fedor has been the most successful fighter in history and has had the style to suit most attackers. I think if it was AS instead of Arlovski that the KO wouldn't have happened and the fight would have ended up as a decision victory for AS. This isn't who is considered the best p4p of the decade but who did the best and I would have to say Fedor as he came back from the worst scenarios like a Chael sonnen vs AS moment more often and showed the world what it takes to win against adversity. Arona was his first real loss in my mind though.

@UnderdogGreatness fair play man yr not a fool lik da rest of dem

I think Fedor does deserve this award, reason being; his MMA career started in 2000, and since then he has only been beaten once, and went on a ****ing tear in Pride FC. Beating everyone they could throw at him. This was definitely Fedor's decade.

why isn't James Toney up there, but seriously i cannot decide fedor was incredible but from about 2006 he was fighting a lot of past their prime fighters but before he was fighting incredible competition so im stumped

Look at their records and what they have done, it's without question Fedor.

i'd put much more importance on shooto+cagerage compared to rings+wamma

and pride?

wamma arnt even around anymor fedor has a make believe belt wont eva ave a ufc one

Who even comes close to Fedor's 2000-2010 accomplishments?

What! No Brock?



Fedor for sure. Every person up there deserves to go down in history.

give props to bj penn also, he never backed down from a fight. He even fought machida. Win or lose, hes still my idol. But Fedor is surely number 1.

Wanderlei Silva should be at least top 3

if this is a least about who has done the best in the ring or cage then fedor wins.



but if its about who has helped the sport into the mainstream then it would be chuck.

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Yea it would have to go to Fedor for the decade. No question. Love the guy. Hope he wins the SF HW tournament.

Same. As a fan I sorta want him to win the GP then retire on top, that would make me happy.

Fedors obviously a stand out (32-2). however, its hard to ignore the accomplishments and presence of randy or Hughes champion reign. Then theres a story like penns with ups and downs and so many accomplishments(ufc wise). Andersons reign is hard to ignore to.



Tho these guys all have a few low points over the decade.



To be fair tho, I think I have to widen my definition of "Fighter of the year" and not just look at the record. But look at; who they are, what theyve done, their accomplishments (in and outside the ring), and what theyre future looks like.



When I look back and look for fighters who really captured my attention Wanderlei is a stand out. He really dominated over in pride. I always thought he was such a beast. and he started way back in 1996. Hes what id call a true fighter never backing away from a fight always going in there and giving it his all. Hes ended the decade on a high note with a redeeming win after a bad run of losses. Youve been able to see him evolve from a ruthless killer to humble vetern. He runs one of the more successful gyms in vegas. and doesnt really show signs of slowing down.



Couture has much the same story but the decade was a constant struggle. That may tho be the deciding factor for me. His ability to come back time and time again. to over come adversity and reach his goals. hes a face of the sport and a class one at that.

Coutures decade was a constant struggle because he REALLY does put himself up against the best. Not guys who were champions at one point, but would get tossed around as Free wins by alot of top HW's today, regardless of what state they were in.



When you're against the hardest possible matches, you're record won't look as pretty as when you take an easier road. If it's not a popularity contest lets see someone argue against that

So people are voting for the best sportsmanship in MMA? I agree Randy is a class act in MMA and is always game but he lost to Chuck 2wice and because Chuck could read him. Both were in their prime at that stage and although I favour Randy right now I actually still think it would only be Chucks chin that would decide that since I still think Chuck looks great in the cage and can fight like the best out there if it wasn't for the chin. I love Randy but he is outclassed in this company even though I wouldn't count him out in a fight with any of them.

exactly, people always bash randy's record but he always fought the top guys in his division e.g. belfort, liddell, ortiz, sylvia etc. etc.



even know he only wants to fight either machida (former lhw champ and top 5 opponent) or shogun (the champ). couture is the epitimy of a champion, a guy who always looks to test himself against the best and get better.

That's the kind of achievement that should be up there, not LOL WAMMA belt.

Yeah. Honestly, if Randy had only fought at HW and hadn't let his first divorce screw his head up so bad, people might hold him in the same awe that we hold Fedor in. I kind of do just because of how OLD he is and him still being able to compete at the level he does.

As much as I don't like Randy, he did always fight the top fighters out there. Mad Props to the old man.

yeah i mean he's not too far off 50 and he's still winning fights and now in a position to get another title shot. the man is quite literally my hero.

FEDOR!!!!!

decade is 2000 to start of 2010... Poll Fail

There is no year 0, which makes the end of 2010 the actual end of the decade.... Comment Fail.

I have two words....Anderson Silva.

Shogun should be second or third, he has faced the best competetion out of everyone on there, won the Pride GP and the UFC belt, PLUS he finished most of his fights viciously. I would say Fedor, Shogun, Anderson

I guess when I made my case I wasn't thinking of soccer kicks as legit ways of winning which required much skill. I am stuck with his latest results on my table and they all kinda sucked except for his Lyoto win. I feel his soccer kicks were his salvation in Pride. I accept Shogun in top 3 for some people but stillfeel AS is better than him.

I would definitely say that the Forrest and Coleman fights are the ones that keep people from considering him a top 3 fighter of the decade. I think if you know Shogun you know those two performances are not indicative of how great he is (Not to mention his questionable health). The same way you know Andersons lackluster fights with Cote, Leites and Maia are not indicitive of how great he is. For both fighters though, you can safely say that, when the level of oppenent was high, and there was something to be proved, they showed up and put on great fights. Shogun is also a relatively small 205'er which I believe adds more value to his legacy. Not to mention he won the Pride GP (which was a murderers row of fighters) and the UFC LHW belt, at the age of 28 (should have been 27 cause we all know he beat Machida the first time), AND that include a 2 year layoff because of an injury.

His win over Coleman was almost heading to a loss and his win over chuck was chucks loose chin. Chuck was slightly ahead in their battle up until the KO. I think it's ironic that in pride 31 it was called unbreakable and Coleman broke Shoguns arm. Shogun is stylistically favoured with the strikers in the UFC and without his soccer kicks he hasn't fared well with grapplers and even against some strikers he has looked off. The difference between Cote, Leites and Maia is that AS totally outclassed them where as Shogun barely scraped the win off of Coleman and was likely to lose a decision and against Forrest he just didn't have the answer to the groundgame and with Chuck he was doing no better up until the final 30 seconds of their bout. I agree he beat Machida both times but I think stylistically he was the number for machida.

every1 on dis can go f**k dem selves iv seen fedor nd i seen his every1s comments about him dare head is so far up his arse i dnt like fedor so wat HES GONNA GET KO'D BY OVEREEM so anyone who weakd me go tear da balls off yer selves to a fedor picture ye rehabs

Dude, you are even typing like you're sobbing. Calm down, It's just an internet site. When you make ridiculous comments (and sometimes legitimate comments) people hit the weak button. It isn't a big deal.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Overeem is amazing and very well might KO Fedor if they end up fighting. That doesn't change the fact that Fedor had the greatest accomplishments of the 2000-2010 decade.

i couldnt care less if sum little bitch weakd me im not gonna lose any sleep ova it ar yu??

Fyodr all the way.



1. Please view the overall, 10 years, not just the last few years.

2. He did beat UFC champs when they were in their prime.

3. Come on.... Do I still need to go on? That's almost the same as stating Überreem is a juicehead and won't ever beat anyone from UFC rankings....



Frigging hilarious guys!

1: His last tough fight was crocop, that was a fairly long time ago



2:Anyone in recent contention for the UFC HW belt is better than alot of those guys(save nog) in their prime, plus the guys who weren't HW's obviously.



3: There's a reason all of you guys constantly recycle the same weak arguments, it might be because you don't actually know anything about the fighter or the fights.



4: Where is this wamma belt now? Is werdum the new champ? I don't really acknowledge it

Recycling of weak arguments... LoLz...



The only recycling I can see here, is ignorant UFC fanboy, unwilling to see that the title reads LAST DECADE, not LAST MONTHS TITLE EXCHANGE WINNER. ;)

@dutch



yea what has fedor really done since 05? if you don't argue like a complete idiot on the side of people who don't know what they are talking about, maybe you wont have to create so many fake accounts.

rehab

If you consider Fedors recent accomplishments as they happened, then its hard to deny that they are not noteworthy. I'm sure you've heard this before so I wont go into detail, but beating Arlovski at the time did help his legacy, and doing what he did to Tim Sylvia at the time did help his legacy. Sure after he beat them their careers took a turn for the worse, but how can you blame that on Fedor (unless you are saying he devastated them so badly they never recovered). Five of the guys Anderson Silva beat are no longer in the UFC, but I don't hold that against him. You have to evaluate each performance for what its truly worth, and each fighter for what they are worth.

Fake accounts? Once again weak arguementation.



Quit you're UFC nuthugging and just appreciate MMA. Yes, UFC is the biggest organization; yes, I do enjoy watching, but who was the man to beat this last decade?



Don't start naming names other than Fedor, 'cause than you yourself know will be lying.

Tim Sylvia, Andre Arlovski and Brett Rogers were all ranked top ten and all got destroyed be Fedor AFTER 2005. You can argue all you want about there skill level (I myself have never considered Sylvia or Rogers to be overly skilled) but the truth is, when you look at the skill level in general at HW they were legit top ten guys. You know it's funny how all of you UFC ONLY fans talk about Roy Nelson like he is the next big thing and trash Arlovski considering how Arlovski demolished him. BTW, It was not an early stoppage. Big Country was stiff as he fell. He regained conciousness as soon as he hit the canvas and could have kept fighting but he got KOd and had a swollen brain. Good Stoppage.

Yea you created your account 2 days ago. Everytime fedorretards are in trouble either trying to bash someone who threatens his legacy, or trying to make him seem better than he really is, suddenly accounts pop up out of nowhere that ahvent been in any other discussion.



And NONE of you have fresh arguments. All it is is " omg look at his record!!!" over and over and over.

Ah yeah, that's going so smart... "Ooh, this guy just started an account two days ago."



Just goes to show what kinda idiot you are, mister smarty pants. Just resorting to what some could type as name calling.



But let's just recap:

The UFC HW roster is broader that StrikeForce. This by no means implies that the UFC HW roster is the best the world has to offer.

Guys like Rogers will even smash some faces in the UFC roster.

Arlovski, and Barnett, don't know for sure, but they might still be great for undercards.



Fedor, Werdum and Overeem are contenders in the UFC. Barnett, might be able to come back to that point, might he be able to shake of ring rust etc. Bigfoot become one to, but this depends on the way he will dominate his next fight.



Overall, StrikeForce might have a better quality of contenders roster wise.



Ah, and Fedor nuthugging:

As you might read from my name, Dutch Threat, I would rather have Overeem be number 1 p4p of the last decade, but he's only been peaking the last 4 years.

So what if his account is 2 days old????

-that don't erase the fact that you are dumbass!!!

No need for "fresh" arguments when there is the truth.

Gilles argues like he was born 2 days ago himself. Seriously, if you all weren't prone to saying so many stupid things, you wouldn't need to create fakes just so that you have people backing you up.

gud one haha

Sorry saying 5 guys Anderson beat ect. is a little dishonest cause that includes Henderson who is a VERY good fighter, and one of AS most impressive wins, but I think you get what I'm sayin.

usually people just say they are ex champions bla bla, but fact is that most notable UFC HW's would demolish silvia or arlovski right now..ive said that a few times. It says something when the biggest title defense is only 2.



Then you could look at Fedors list of who he's fought and those HW's would also beat them down to buffer their record, that's why people rpetty much don't actually look at it.

That still does not help your argument when you try to say Fedor is not the best fighter of the decade. At the time he fought the guys he fought, they were legit. And these new HW's in the UFC weren't around for the majority of the decade. And what makes you so certain that all the notable UFC HW's wouuld demoish Silva and Arlovski RIGHT NOW, and again, how does that help your argument??? Most Hw's in the ufc have proven very little.

Who you do consider most notable UFC HW's?????

-There's only 3 HW's in UFC worth to mention: JDS, Cain and Carwin(with scooter tank :D )



-If you think that UFC guys are so much better than A.Arlovski go and watch his last two fights before he's fighting Fedor.-He crushed Rothwell(KO), and destroy Roy Nelson(KO)-both of them are now in UFC, not to mention that JDS was not able to finish Nelson.



-So pull you head out of D.W.'s ass and stop talking shit!!!!

I disagree. Arlovski comes in two flavours; composed and psyched out. A composed Arlovski did what JDS could not in beating Nelson. I think if you put a composed Arlovski against JDS (the UFC #1 contender) not only would it be a good fight but Arlovski might have a slight edge.

A large number of the wins Silva has are against oppenents that most top middleweights would demolish.

Yea. Like..chael sonnen beat nate, but he was beat by maia, who was beat by nate..who i just said lost to chael.



See how they all counter each other? That's what SHOULD happen. Meanwhile brock cain shane could all defeat 10 or more of the guys fedor has fought, only difference is that they didn't fight them.



And i actually know who Fedor has fought, so i actually know that.

Sure, but u still have not provided a good reason as to why Fedor is not the top fighter of the decade or why AS is.



Fedor beat Nog, who beat Cro cop and Werdum, Fedor beat cro cop, Werdum beat Fedor, fedor beat hunt, who beat cro cop, cro cop beat Barnett who tested positive for steroids, arlovski beat werdum, ko'ed big coutry, but he lost to Sylvia! But wait, fedor beat both of them, BUT he lost to Werdum :(. But even before he lost to Werdum I'm sure you would make the same argument.



Best figther of the decade = Fedor, closely behind him is Silva and Shogun IMO

There's no clear fighter buddy. Fedor was stronger 2000-2005, since then not so much. AS has been stronger the last 5 years. Matt hughes was stronger the first 6 years...so i guess you could say matt was the strongest the greatest number of years.



Fedor beat all those guys, but crocop wouldnt really have a good shot against alot of current top HW's imo. Nog would, brnett would, but barnett and fedor never fought.



Alot of UFC HW's could probably beat werdum too.

They can beat Werdum maybe, but they can't do that on the ground and that exactly what Fedor are trying to do.-His mistake :(



-Considering CRO COP

I'm from Croatia as you may know, and He is very popular right here.But He's not training properly since 2006.PRIDE GP(He said so on national TV-and I believe Him) because of his BACK problems.And we all see that He is not the same fighter who fight Fedor, Coleman, Barnett etc.-HE has back surgery after Mir fight, and he say that he now train properly first time after 2006.

-And He even say that Brock Lesnar was a joke because he was running away when was hit and that Cain is great fighter with big heart but without skills(besides wrestling) etc.......

frist of all croatia is a shithole

2nd cain has no skills yu might wanna stop havin s*x with yr sheep and watch a Vasquez fight yu muppet

I don't get why you would bring up Hughes??? He has gotten demolished the past couple years, and that counts towards fighter of the decade. Its not my fault the decade goes 2000-2010, and not 1998-2008 or 1996-2006. But anyways I personally think its Fedor, but I can understand if some people think its Anderson for sure. I just don't get why you are trying to discredit Fedor.

Ooo the past couple years? how long is a decade? Not my fault it goes 2000-2010, and sorry, for 6 of those years he was really really good. I'm not trying to discredit fedor at all, if it werent for all the stupid arguments people make for him, i'd probably vote for him.



BUT, when people can only say "omg look at his record" without actually looking at who he foguth, or they say "omg UFC champion!" as if those guys are seriously that uber, something has to be said. Same as when people can't count and they talk about wandys imaginary 22 winstreak without a loss, wtf.

yu really lik wankin to fedors pictures and videos haha yu fool and hughes isnt in da hall of fame 4notin

That my point exactly, the decade is 2000-2010. Anderson has been very strong all the way through, being especially strong lately. Fedor has been strong all the way through, but especially strong in his Pride days. Yet, both of them haven't been beaten up the way Hughes has at all in those 10 years.



I agree there are alot of people on here who like Fedor but can't properly defend his legacy. By the end of this year, I think we will know who is the greatest fighter of all time though. Considering how Fedor is going to be in such a good HW tournament and how Andy is going to fight Vitor, Okami, and possible rematch with Sonnen or super fight with GSP.



And yea Wandys streak was actually a 20 fight unbeaten streak in Pride only. It ended with a controvsial loss to Mark Hunt, but in that span he did lose to Ortiz, and drawed twice. Still though, he falls around the same place as Hughes does IMO on the list, probably 1 spot above because his weight disadvantages alot of the time.

Andersons best years are 2005 to current. Fedors best years are 2000-2005. Hughes best years go to about 06. Hughes is freaking 37 years old. Fedor is younger an dpeople were saying he's too old when they wanted excuses, and he doesnt fight as much as the other two and certainly does not have harder matches.



Wnady i think only made it to 16 actual wins, and thats without examining everyone he fought, dont know where people got 22. Atleast you're trying to argue intelligently though rather than saying something dumb and relying on numbers to back you, that's cool

Yea not everyone is going to agree and almost nobody can be completely objective, and this is definitely an argument worth having if carried out properly. As for the Wandy thing thats true, some gusy he beat were random Japanese fighters with losing records, whereas Hughes has some good names on his resume, but the guys he beat outside the UFC (15-20 of em) were mostly garbage.

BTW I am well aware that the fighters coming up these days are mostly superior to past competetion, as is the case with most sports. But its all relative and if guys are beating top competetion at the time than that only helps their legacy.

How comes James Toney is not on the list ?

If he'd have fought tim sylvia or arlovski maybe he could have bettered his record abit.

WTF???

-you are trolling about James Toney???-you must be kidding me.

"UFC=Best fight best 3 times a year"-by DW



-Now explain me where is James Toney in that story of Best fights Best

That's called sarcasm oh slow one. But being that one of your awesome credit wins to fedor(silvia) got KO'd by a 48 year old retired boxer, wouldn't be surprised in james toney did it.



That's how awesome those guys are, so it's definitely impressive that Fedor beat them.

And it's impressive how Randy barely defeat Tim Silvia, and after that Brock Lesnar barely defeat Randy.

-And most impressive of all is that that he become "one of the greatest p4p fighters" after barely beaten old Randy

James Toney=Epic Fail

i was tinkin da same ting

Fedor Emelianenko

Decade Record: 32-2

Achievements: RINGS Openweight Champion, Rings Heavyweight Champion, RINGS Absolute Tournament Champion, PRIDE Heavyweight Champion (2 Defenses), 2004 PRIDE Heavyweight GP Winner, WAMMA Heavyweight Champion (2 Defenses)



That's all you need to know. Facts > zuffa zombies

Maybe ZUFFA should just create an imaginary belt too?

WAMMA Heavyweight Championship MAKE BELIEVE BELT,IMAGINARY,DOSENT EXSIT GET YR FACTS RIGHT

Maybe ZUFFA should CO-PROMOTE with Strikeforce and let they HW's to be beaten by Overeem or Fedor or some other guy.

Why would that happen? Because the UFC couldn't handle a monster like werdum who beat them both? Goodjob avoiding talking about the fake belt.

Looks more obvious to me, that UFC is protecting their brand, avoiding loss to other organizations.

Yes my friend, that's exactly what they're doing. PROTECT them selves.

-If any of UFC HW's goes outside UFC and fight Alistair(in my opinion the most dangerous fighter there is today) they will be smashed.

WHEREs JAMES TONY?!?!?!?!?!?! :p

I can see how many noobie fans there are in here based on how low Wanderlei is ranked on that list. I would put him second only to Fedor in terms of domination and being the baddest man on the planet. ****ing kids, go watch every Pride event he was in and watch a 22 fight win streak of complete and utter fight madness, devastation and fighting spirit.

Durrr whats he done in the last 5 years...wtf. ****king kids, dont you know a decade is TEN years? Pride hasnt even been around foryears.

Seriously dude? Who did more for a longer period in any span in that decade? No one dominated for the entire decade. The question is who dominated for the longest period in that decade, and like I said, other than Fedor, I can't think of anyone else.

Matt hughes had 6 years as opposed to fedors 2000-2005 when he was really active and impressive

He was in the UFC fighting cans for 6 years.

-Except BJ Penn and GSP who was not cans but they beat him.



-at that time best fighters was in Pride(in every division)

Damn you're smart. if only matt hughes had been fighting top tier guys like silvia who was KO'd in seconds by a retired 48 year old, arlovski with his bully beatdown fame, coleman with his massive gastank and diverse fighting style, hong man choi who was an impressive 1-0(undefeated!!!) because of fighting a comedian, or fighting crocop to a draw who's been passed around abit ever since he got to UFC.



THEN hughes 6 years would be recognized, but in the meantime he only fought penn, sherk, GSP, Gracie..i mean since when were any of those guys as awesome as the people i just mentioned? They can't even eek out decision wins against japanese cans.

Hahahaha, cool to see you're slapping the decade thing here. ;)

i bigfoot beats fedor just so all these fedor bj'ers will lose there boners

I will still have a HUGE Fedor boner. Ask you mom.

i got a boner 4yr milf of a mother @ICHOKEMYKNOB

If bigfoot beat Fedor they`d just hate on other fighters, like they already do.

YU DA MAN HAHAHA

Well, if Bigfoot beats Fedor, this just shows the end of an era.

Yeah because I spend so much time hating on fighters. The only fighter I consistently hate on is Lesner because he was a joke and conducts himself like a A-Hole.

i font think Fador is the best P4P in the world....

but i really doubt that A silva will beat Fador.....



A silva is going donw....via KO.....

Dude, stop trolling.

its down not donw learn how to spell yu fool im gonna weak yu jus for dat

He got beat up for 23 minutes and still won

If there was a 2005-2015 decade Silva would probably win. Unfortunately from 2000-2010 he didn't do enough IMO. Still, great point. That was an EPIC comeback.

If a decade was 2000-2005 Fedor should win, but in the last 5 years he hasnt done enough. He`ll probably win anyways though, lots of these people have no idea what they`re talking about and really the only crutch is that there are so many. Some people created there account just hours ago.

Pull your head out of DW's ass and stop talking shit!! :D:D:D

all these fedor haters are talking about how he hasnt beaten anyone top recently and that its about the entire decade and that A.Silva should be first but A.Silva didnt get the ufc MW belt until 2006. So the entire first half of the decade he wasnt on top.

So in other words silva is the second part of the decade and Feodr is the first. Just because you dont nuthug someone doesnt mean you hate them. Just because you dont hate them doesnt mean you`re nuthugging.

fedor has been dominant most of the decade silva for about 3-4 years

Pull your head out of DW's ass and stop talking shit!! :D:D:D

Fedor had a good first half of the decade, silva second half. Or you could even say matt hughes had it really good for about the first 6 years

but fedor also beat mostly former champs in the send half of the decade very few if any of anderson silva first half of the decade were ever considered top anything.

What if silva just went around other promotions collecting wins against former champs. I bet noone would be impressed.



Silva vs babalu? Silva vs cung le? Silva vs the guy who bat cung le? Silva vs his rematches? yea..noones interested.

man da best ting for yu is to go to the woods find a tree and hang yrself

Silva vs Gegard or JACARE Souza or Hendo rematch

-I think that they are better fighters than Sonnen the roider

Yea gegard is sewww impressive he recently beat a guy that's now 8-7. Hendo rematch? Maybe he can make it back to the UFC if he can compete in strikeforce.

WHY ON EARTH IN WANDERLEI SO LOW ON OUR LIST?!

how man years was he a champ in pride? 5 straight. what was his pride winstreak ? 20 fights. not to mention he didn't fight mass cans during this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlei_Silva



That doesnt add up to 20 or 22 wins before a loss. Someone on your side ought to learn how to count.

dare sum rehabs

fedor means so much for this sport for me is the ultimate icon like bruce lee or something, u know , something mythical, hes just 6 foot tall 230lbs, yet he dominated, quick as a lighweight and powerful like a heavyweight, he is the greatest

Don't see how wand is 2nd every1 has there own opinion i guess....

Funny that Chuck and Randy are so far a way from top. Both are legendary fighters.



Randy Couture held titles in HW and LHW and fought constantly against the best of the world. And jumped between weightclasses.



Chuck Liddell in the other hand made him self famous by knocking people out cold. I mean in his prime, Chuck had some serious power and he still has it. He just dont have the chin to stand with people any more.

Tons of respect for both fighters.

Pretty shocked to see guys like GSP and Anderson being 2nd and 3rd. I know most of the guys voting have only been watching MMA since 2009 but Hughes, Liddell, Wanderlei, those guys accomplished alot. Shogun is the greatest LHW of all time and he isn't getting any credit. Oh well, the rightful #1, Fedor, is winning by a landslide.

Why is he greatest of all time? Only the first half of the decade counts?? Not a surprise to see fedor winning you're right, before he lost no other fighter got any respect.

Shogun didn't even make his name until 2005, what are you talking about?

dats cause half of da people on dis dare head is up fedors arse and da other half ar wanking to vids and pics of him

sorry steven took to long to try understand you comment i just weaked you. please dont write like an uneducated 10 year old

this kame from Cain best fighter all time Fedor

couture all the way dudes still whooping ass and hes like the oldest in the buisness.

if your talking about the decade then it has to be fedor for those of you that might be confused a decade is ten years many people on this list were not even fighting profesionally in mma ten years ago some have only been fighting top competition for 2-3 years. all though they might not be the greatest fighters now the list should be shortend to fighters that have carreer's that actually span ten years. fedor ,hughes. couture, wand, hendo , and maybe bj . anderson gsp shogun have only been considered top fighters for less than five years that doesnt make a decade

I think it's Chuck Liddell, because during this decade, he made this sport famous himself. I can remember the time when I wasn't even an mma fan and knew absolutely nothing about the sport, but still, I knew who Chuck was. I mean Emelianenko is a great fighter and all but let's face it, Chuck made a much more bigger impact than him for the sport of mixed martial arts. I only even found out who Fedor was after about 3 months as fan of the sport.

Fedor

AS

Gsp

Liddell

Randy

Chuck Liddell was the icon of mma and he made it famous. Enough said. Even nowadays, alot of casual fans don't even know who Fedor is. Only the hardcore fans do. So I think it's definitely Chuck. He made the biggest influence on for the sport.

WHERE????????

-In America? YES

-But around the world the biggest influence has Fedor.

People in America know who Fedor is, right. Now go to Russia and ask some casual people who Chuck is???

-Not to mention Japan and Korea

Hard to say

My vote goes for Gaydor ! Because of his accomplishements. He stayed undefeated for 10 years ! Thats a lot. Even if he didnt fight the best , he deserves the award. He was clever enough to dont sign with the ufc to keep his record perfect.

Don't forget, he won the WAMMA belt from buddy anonymous and continues to defend it from anonymous challengers to this day!

RANDY COUTURE NO DOUBT HE WAS FIGHTING TOP FIGHTERS IN EVERY FIGHT

gsp all the way what a animal

Anyone that votes for anyone other than Fedor either ill-informed, or just a hater.