yeah, josh is still an asshole i mean the guy tried to say that gsp hired this guy specially to push his buttons and make him look bad come on hes the one the started all this shit at the begining of the show he said that he was there to talk shit and push buttons so WTF now he cant take it, he didnt get mad at the comments tate made about his guys he got mad cause he called him on that fake knee to the head he faked on the paul daley fight.
to be fair tho, why is a nurse on the show mic'd? i cant think of anyone else in tuf history who has been and wasnt a fighter
he prolly wasnt mic'd to begin with
Look people this show is for entertainment, look at all the jerk offs before this guy even on the actual show.
Its to draw you more into the show, he talked sh*t, the producers and everyone saw taht and went "here put this mic on"
True Dan, I think we all know this is scripted but seriously what buisness does a fat guy who doesnt fight, have talking crap to a professional fighter? Ide school his ass as well.
Ok tough guy.
What fake knee? The only thing fake about it is the guys that refused to watch the recap at a different angle showing the knee strike. Kos was legit in that and was hit with a second knee attempt. Look we all want to hate this guy but I cannot stand to see them be falsely accused of cheating. Paul daley was the only retard in that fight.
well what about the anthony johnson knee then?
It wasn't a fake knee. It may have been exagerrated. It was unfair to have a knee thrown while not standing and the consequences of even a missed knee strike is often losing position witch kos would not want as in the flurry of strikes everyone knows one could get through. He shouldn't of had to react to it in the first place and if an oscar performance was needed to set it strait again well then who cares. He was fighting again in 10 seconds so fair.
Yeah, got pissed because the male nurse burned him real bad and also made fun of his boyfriend (Sevak). ...With all honesty, I think Sevak has a super gay crush on Koscheck.
I find it all pretty funny. But making fun of a guys accent is lowly. If thats all you gotta say then shut up. peoples voices cant really be changed with out acting. Thats just ignorant to mock.
Also you cant really take much of this to seriously its all edited and theyre trying to make an entertaining show. Reality shows are quite far from reality.
I disagree. As soon as you enter the verbal war the gloves are off. You can't make fun of a guy and expect him to be courteous and avoid touchy subjects. Sevak jumped in to the conflict by his own choice - he can take the consequences.
Yea he shouldn't have said anything.
With all honesty I think it's super gay when super gay super gays project their super gay tendencies onto other people.
:D people are making fun of being a male nurse and its one of the most highest paying job in america. They almost surpass our salary even though Im a surgeon, they do a lot of overtime. 112/hr i think is good enough salary to be a male nurse(head nurse) thinking they have 50k a month :D only top MMA fighters can can reach their level of payouts. cheers
Apologizing once doesn't make up for being a douche the rest of the time
112/hr? what hospital do you work at, nurses around where i live make in the 12-23/hr unless they are ER nurses or something specialized.
Its a respectable profession to me. Being a medical professional is something to proud of. I dont see any shame in it.
Yea. I don't care what hospital it is. No nurse makes that much an hour. Haha damn if thats the case, I'm switching jobs asap.
@a222g i cant mention the hospital but its in new york, and the position is i think head nurse or assistant chief nurse :)
this was the funniest thing ever.... Bro, youre a male nurse lol
Did anybody see the look in Tate's eyes, terrified. It doesn't matter if he ways 240 or what not, he's a male nurse. Kos would eat him up.
I didn't see what you saw haha. I guess it's because I can't stand Kos though.
He's just sitting there waiting for Kos, he's eyes are all moving side to side, funny. But all the weaks i got are awesome, thanks for your support.
Dont worry the old school guys here know what you mean
hahahaha i used to hate kosh but so far in this season im starting to like him, i know he is a douche but he makes the show funny will all the stupid shit he says and does and yeah tate would get ****ed up and dont know what about dane he got all pissed of like a little boy when he was the one who got in the middle, kosh could easly spank him like a little boy
why does being a male nurse still kick up thoughts of weak, homosexual losers, are we still living in 1950.
We are still living with testosterone thankfully.lol. Good proffession and respectable but not considered manly. This is 2010 and this is how men are.lol.
I couldn't be a nurse. It's a freaking hard job. You constantly deal with people that are in horrible moods because someone is sick or hurting. It would drive me insane.
Deal with serious trauma takes as much, if not more, guts and heart as stepping into the octogon. I know Id have a really hard time dealing with alot of things that are common place in an ER.
I hear you guys, I made a stupid comment and I should know a male nurse is a tough job since I had one for 2 weeks in hospital for a ruptured apendix. The stuff that guy did for me was disgusting and yet I am alive today and thankful he was there to look after me.
Well you didnt lie, many people still look at a male nurse as you said, not manly job, paramedic seems to get more respect that way though. I really dont see the need to apologize when your stating fact(what many people think even if its not reality.)
Kos isnt that bad he just got pissed off cuz that fool was making fun of the armenian guy
Koscheck said he went after the Tate, because of the remarks he made about one of his fighters - no he did not. He went after Tate because Tate was getting the better of him in the verbal battle and when he started making the faces, the remarks about the fake knee and JK being an actor (basically), that's when he got pissed off. It had nothing to do with the comments to his fighter.
Secondly - The Armenian guy. Does no one remember the baseball challenge, when GSP was batting? It was that guy that was running his mouth about how he was "not impressed" with GSP's performance; mocking GSP for his (francophone) accent, when speaking English; which (of course) is a second language to Rush.
Koscheck's Conspiracy Theory - to think that GSP set this up is ridiculous; The Champ has better things to do. What we saw here with JK, was a childish reaction to someone getting the better of him and at his own game.
Finally - what Koscheck did is an assault and I fail to see how Dana can just let that slide. What is the difference between what JK did to Tate and what Paul Dailey did to JK (in the Octagon)? Double standard, anyone?
Couldn't have said it better myself. Dana will more than likely be releasing a statement about that once people start comparing the "throat grab" to the left hook by Daley at the end of their fight.
Funny thing is; Josh is trying to get the viewers to side with him by using his team as the reason for his outburst. The real deal is, if you look at the comments on the TUF site , under this video, 99% of them all call it the other way; Kosh got made because he was called out on his faking shenanigans.
Can't wait for December. GSP's boxing training is going to make the world happy.
One would think - that the time to make a statement would have been Wednesday, after the show or fist thing Thursday. I hope you are right, because it does need to be addressed.
And please note - they have used the clip of the "assault" in the commercials to promote the show. What gives with that? JK is lucky he's not getting charged by the local cops - IMO.
And yes - I agree with your analysis. Koscheck is trying to "spin" it for support, but if you saw it you know what really happened.
Daley punched a guy after a fight in the octogon. That shit seriously sanctioned. What kos did was a on a TV show. huge difference.
Also, it would be considered assault if the tate were to press charges which it doesnt seem he wants to. He probably signed some sort of release to be part of the show.
There is no way in hell you're going to get an assault conviction for pushing someone's face.
You have to be joking.
I'm sorry. Is this some more UFC bull? I think so.
Couldn't agree more, although Koscheck does 'seem' like a good coach to his team, and we definitely seen a different side to him.
but yeah the basesball challenge, i remember hearing all of kos's boys givin GSP shit for that (A sport that isn't too poular in Canada)
IMO most of the shit talk on TUF is scripted (not all of it, but most of it)
so thats why i think he'll keep his job, in the comparison to Daley, but i see what u mean....
We always agree. We are of one mind. :-)
Great minds think alike my friend....
French is the first language of GSP and GSP is a strategist as we have seen and it makes perfectly good sense to have someone to battle Kos in the verbal department when you suck at it. No double standard here my man, Kos was suckerpunched and not engaged in any activity with Daley after a specific sound was made to declare a fight over. Tate was in activity with Kos and was not sucker punched but was putting himself in harms way. You really hate Kos? I think he is getting more biased attention than he needs. Look at the huys he hangs with, Fitch, Chuck Liddell, Jake Sheilds, and heavy champ Cain. These guys are all right with him so maybe he isn't too bad once you know him.
Are you positive they are OK with him? I honestly don't see Cain hanging out with him, especially the way Cain conducts himself. Fitch might have some shit to say secretly as well. But thats the thing with people, you just don't know who hates you.
I wonder the same thing. Other then fighting, what could The Heavy Weight Champ have in common with Koscheck. CV is a professional, a gentleman and a family man. Koscheck is just sad; an over inflated ego in constant search of positive re-enforcement; even if it has to come at the expense of others. He is, in short, a bully. And a childish one at that.
I doubt seriously that Koscheck is a close personal friend of Cain Velasquez.
I just don't see CV and JK spending a great deal of time with each other, in or out of the cage / club.
Sorry guys, I didn't mean close personal friend in CV case but they have trained together and Chuck(cool), Fitch(Cool) aren't bothered by him it seems. I actually find it strange to think Fitch gets along with a guy like Kos because they are so different.
Sure - it would make sense for GSP to have someone (Tate) do his trash talking for him. However, that has not been established. Rush is on tape saying he told these "guys" not to do it. Unless someone can prove empirically that Tate was doing this on behalf of GSP, as per his request, then it's nothing more then conjecture and BS. Which is exactly what I believe it to be.
Comparing Daley to Tate - Koscheck was suckered, but Tate wasn't? Whether or not you are punched or grabbed by the throat, it's an assault. As to activity - how was Tate, who was sitting on a separate bleacher, in any way "in activity" with Koscheck? As to "harms way" - how did Tate, the victim, put himself in harm's way? Do you believe Tate deserved the physical assault? Simply put, there is no legal defense for what Koscheck did; period.
"Specific Sound" - If your point is that a bell rang to signify the end of the fight and that Daley was punishable based on that, then I'd remind you of this...that Koscheck and Daley were in a ring and at the end of a prize fight. Yet it Tate's case, he did not have the benefit of a bell to "start" the fight and let him no that he was about to "be" in a fight. It was also not a sanction prize fight, but rather a tawdry no-rules brawl; something JK should be above. There was no Roger Huerta justification, here.
As to the people he hangs with, Koscheck has to speak for himself and he surely does not have the maturity of any of the people you've named.
I think Koscheck is a small minded and petty fellow. I think his reprimand should be equal to that of Paul Daley and if not, then Daley should be immediately reinstated.
Error...."Know" ...not "no"
I agree with the assult part but we have seen many of your assults in mma, do you want them all gone? Fact is tate stood his ground when he should have let off as he is outclassed physically and lawyers aside it would be the wise thing to do.
If you agree that it's an assault, then case closed.
As to other assaults in the UFC or MMA, I'd have no idea; we are only discussing this one.
Tate stood his ground - of course he stood his ground. What would you have him do? If someone grabbed you by the throat unexpectedly, what would you do? Thank him? Run away? Can't run away, he's got you by the throat. To rest responsibility or liability on or with someone, for defending themselves is not part of any legal tradition I am aware of.
As to the outcome of a fight - I don't know that Koscheck would win. Do you "know" Tate would lose? Of course, lets also keep in mind; this would be a "fight" not a "rules" fight. Tate knees him in the nuts or gouges him in the eye...bites him...picks up a bottle or bat...that's a fight Falcon. Personally speaking, I think its part of the problem when people start thinking that what's in the Octagon is "real" fighting. It was much more that "back-in-the-day" when the UFC first started. But even then it wasn't a "real" fight and that is my only point, on it. A guy gets you down and you can't do anything about it, but his arm is near your mouth, you are going to bite him; you'd be a fool not to, if that was your only option and you are getting or about to get seriously pummeled. Bruce Lee is on tape making the very point; when so confined or restrained within close quarter(s), you go to your smallest weapon - your teeth; there are no rules in a fight.
..There is fighting in an Octagon and then there is fighting outside the Octagon. If you fight outside the Octagon with Octagon rules - you will generally lose; badly and quickly. That is not my opinion that is a fact.
You have no Idea aboutclashes between Tito and Shamrock and Diaz brothers are not secret assult masters. A shove is an assult if you want a legal instance as much as a hold of the neck. Jake Sheilds would be gone for shoving Miller. I understand a real fight but fact is untrained unathletic people generally lose to trained and athletic people. Do you think the guys in the UFC let everything loose? They could kill you easily with the street defence situations they are taught in Karate, and other martial arts. Havn't you ever seen videos of guys getting the piss beat outta them because they picked a fight with a proffessional boxer or karate black belt unknowingly? Chuck, Tito, Jake, Diaz bros, Miller, Cerrone and many more would be gone long ago if they were as tit for tat as you want to be in this. Lighten up.
First - chill, man. I'm just giving you my opinion. I'm offering no offense.
I will simply leave it as this - my opinion is that it was an assault and that there is no difference between what Paul Daley did and what Koscheck did. If Daley was expendable as a result of that act, then so is Koscheck. Fair is fair.
Wing Chun, I agree about your opinion being it is an assult but not all assults are equal. If you assult somebody and there is no injury compared to an assult with injury to the other person will have you in different amounts of trouble. Holding someones neck in warning is different than punching someone behind their back. I am not yelling at you or anything if thats what it sounds like accross a keyboard but I am just giving my point of view. I agree with a lot of your blabber on here so don't take it personally as you more often than not make perfect sense but I feel this may have a bit to do with the hatred of the Kos persona which I understand but try to prevent myself from bias. GSP will most likely beat him up anyway in revenge.
I agree with most of your blabber, too. :-)
On the finer point of assault - you said if you assault someone and there's no injury vs. assaulting them and causing injury...in both instances you defined it as an assault.
What you are describing is the difference between assault and assault and battery; both are crimes.
Holding someone's neck as a warning - Falcon, you do not hold someone's neck as a warning. If someone came up to me after some verbal melee and "held" my throat as a warning, I guarantee you I would take grievous umbrage to it; indeed, I'd forcefully jut my extended fingers in your eyes; but that's just me. I don't like people grabbing me by the throat as some kind of a warning. To me that's not a warning, it's an "act".
I don't know about you Falcon, but I've never been in or seen a club where, during instruction, an instructor will have your opponent grab you by the throat and then say to you...."okay, if he does anything else...that's when we fight back." Generally, they will show you what to do when some thug comes up to you and "warns" you.
Respectfully as always,
I'm offended that you think my blabber is blabber. It is not. Is is refined blabber. Not that tawdry, run-of-the-mill blabber that you find contained within the posts of others. :-)
No offence intended just blabbering on my part there about your comments I just say blabber because i see us all doing it here from time to time and I respect some blabber in order to make sure the point is reached for all audiences. I do see your point of assult but i do beg to differ on the consequences of the type of assult. You can be charged for verbal assult these days as well and i wouldn't want to see that start happening in the UFC as well. I think we are both drawing on a fine line of the severity of the situation. Obviously it is close enough to the charges side of things for some to argue that point and arguably not quite enough to justify a dismissal to some others including the UFC. I agree with the fact about an instructor not telling you to wait until whats next but if you are an untrained unathletic individual your brain usually says submit to the guy more likely to devastate you or be prepared for the consequences. Reation is an important step in conflict avoidance.
Koscheck made a big deal about Tate being a "nurse". Okay, let's put it in the computer and do the computation:
After getting the worse of a verbal battle, the professional fighter was so upset as to get up from his seated position, cross a floor and grab a professional nurse by the throat; all based on nothing more then verbal provocation; which of course, is not a legal basis for a proactive assault on another human being.
My question is - are these the actions of a champion or a child? Is this the type of conduct that we expect and accept from a champion, particularly when the brand is working so hard to expand the brand and the sport?
I look at this event and I see a guy who is not fit, nor deserving, to wear the belt. He would be a lousy ambassador for the sport and the division. It would be particularly sad when you consider what he would be replacing; a consummate professional; a poster boy.
The upside, of course, is should Koscheck be lucky enough to land a right (his only hope in the fight) that he will not defend it or hold it long. I doubt, for example, that he'd beat (the new and improved) Diego Sanchez, he's not beating Jake Shields, Carlos Condit et al. No Koscheck is a one and done, if he wins; don't see it happening though. I think Rush really wants to prove a point on this guy. I'm almost tempted to say it's personal, but GSP is too smart to play into that game; at least to deeply.
...appreciated the chat.
He is definetly not a role model for the sport and I agree he is a child like man and would not be a good champ but I do not argue that. Kos is good enough in my opinion to beat Sanchez and Jake but I don't see him beating GSP.
Yeah, Koscheck couldn't hack it.
You forgot that JK constantly harasses GSP's boys.
I thought it was funny when the nurse brought up the fake knee thing
Dude! you a male nurse. Kos is funny, i like him.
I can't wait for Koscheck to get two KO's in Montreal. Once he ends GSP's streak of "Decision Title Defenses", He should go knock out that fat retard.
You'll be waiting forever...
I can't say I'm surprised that Kosh is sexist but its pretty stupid to be throwing that shit out on the air like that. I mean by saying that Tate is a loser because he is a nurse is saying that men are to good to be nurses and only woman should degrade themselves to being nurses. That is what he is saying with those comments.
Not to mention that nurses have one of the absolutely most important jobs in the world, and one of the hardest jobs to do. I know I couldn't do what they do and I had serious respect for people that save lives for a living.
The other thing I've learned about Kosh is that he is a bully, with that I mean that he is a very weak person that can only feel good about himself by putting others down. But when the tables are turned and someone returns the favor to him he can't handle it and just snaps.
There are no important jobs in the world. I prefer a janitor next to a doctor.
Trash talking a little is fine to an opponent your going to fight .. but Koscheck is just a bully in reality. He picks on people that are not even fighters.
If any of you have ever been in the military .. then you know just how important a job being a medic is .. Thats the last guy in your squad you want to take a bullet.
Don't like Kos even a little bit and looking very forward to the pounding he is going to receive.
Yup medics are a lifesaver ;)
Youd know best :) Always proud of service men. You guys do the real fighting.
...seems to be the general consensus, that Koscheck is a bully and a loud mouth. This show has done nothing for his reputation and fan base; if anything, it's killing it.
No, i like him more, and i'm starting to like GSP a bit less now.
GSP will shut his mouth!
GSP will beat him. Shut his mouth though...
Agreed - nothing is better than seeing a shit talker having his ass handed to him
UFC is trying to use Kosheck as a 'bad guy' to increase drama and revenue - which is why that footage never made the show. It reminds me of pro wresting. I hate Koshek and I think he's a ****. I guess I am just another victim of marketing.
This is all a bunch a bullshit. Kosh was mad becasuse he can't handle pressure and the jokes about taking fake knees. Kosh poked johnson twice in the eye in that fight on purpose. Now I can't wait to see GSP dismantloe him.
How can you say he poked on purpose? Unless you are Kos. The knee was not faked, first knee missed but second landed. Same with the eye poke few fights earlier he got a thumb. Re watch the tape if you must.
I know because Kosh is qouted as saying he was poked in the eye during the knee and the knee didn;t hurt him. Also I know a little about psychology and by judging kosh's reaction when Tate made fun of him about the fake knee he got upset showing a guilty conscious. Or I guess you think its a coincidence that kosk poked him in the eye twice after the fake knee?
Psychology is pretty out there you can interpret Kos reaction in so many ways to cover both spectrum's of the alleged 'fake' knee. Which it wasn't.
TV makes you think what they want... some people are stupid and believe it.
I watch to mutch real worl on MTV lol
Kos wants the people to think that he's just standing up for his boys, Team Koscheck but he's the kind of guy who is only out there for himself.
exactly. the guy is a fake. His ego was insulted by tate which is why he did what he did.
fat ass idiot nurse needed a slap .the cheeky cnut
Yeah Kos my man, you see here who he truly is: he's just playing a role of a bad guy to make you guys mad at him and wanting to see him get beat by GSP he's like a MMA martyr or rather UFC martyr he's sacrificing his persona, his soul for PPV sales, that's noble man.
About that "fake knee": no, the knee wasn't fake, that ****head Daley actually tried to knee Josh while he was down. Josh was probably in shock so he acted like he did, he was like "what the **** is this guy for real, he wants to knee my while I'm down?!" so it *looked like* he was faking a shot, but he was just in shock and totally horrified by his opponent's behaviour.
There was nothing *fake* about that knee, guys.
Answer me this: shouldn't opponent be penalized even for TRYING to deliver an illegal blow??! Daley didn't knee Kos while he was down, because HE MISSED, not because he played by the rules. In my book, that's 1 point off. The intention is what really counts here.
WOW! Such a long thread for such a useless topic! And I just added to it...