June Madness: Overeem vs. Werdum is still the biggest Heavyweight Fight of 2011

Agreed.

JDS needs to use technique and get Carwin tired so he can out-point him. But he'll probably not be able to avoid getting caught in round 1.



And Werdum just won't be given enough time to utilise his BJJ. Reem will smash him on the feet.

I'll be hard to lock up a triangle after a few UberKnees lol.

didnt jds ko werdum?

Thats the only problem I have with trying to rank these guys, JDS KO'd Werdum. I think Reem, and JDS will win. If Reem dosnt win the tournament, im taking Big Foot.

But JDS lost to Joaquim Ferreira, i'm just doing some MMA math here and obviously Ferreira is the better fighter.

Weak without any comprehensive argument, come on guys.

@asdf

fine, an argument. jds beat ferreira before he lost... also junior was subbed, he could easily just have been caught but since that fight, junior has won 7 straight, 6 in the ufc and finished all but 1 of those of those 7 fights.



Ferreira on the other hand, is 8-4, losing 4 straight and 3 of them were by ko/tko. 1 of those ko's was to a lightheavy weight, who had a stint in the ufc and did poorly, Sokoudjou



so need i say more?

Sarcasm is a bit hard online. I was pointing out the silly use of mma math against Werdum. Sure he lost to JDS but styles make match ups and at the time JDS wasn't all that well known. I mean Machida beat Rashad who beat Rampage whom beat Machida. I do think that if Werdum and JDS fought again the outcome would be different, Werdum is a well rounded while i JDS IMO isn't. I have yet to see Junior on the ground.

i was hoping that it was sarcasm, thats why i didnt reply untill your second post. i dont see how it is silly mma math seeing as jds, a striker ktfoed werdum and werdums next fight is against a k1 champ who should be a better striker then jds. werdums only main wins fedor and maybe bigfoot. i dont think that puts him in a top 5 place in the heavyweight division



i have already pointed out about what jds had done and being trained with the nogueira bros do you really think junior wont have a good ground game?

The fact alone as "mma math" is silly. Just because one guys beat one dude whom defeated other dudes does not make him better the the other dudes. So many dudes thrown into the argument that I'm thinking Lubowski will sue me. Until all the fighters fight each other it's hard to say who is the better "dude" thats all.

im not sure, i think Sergei Kharitonov might be the fighter to watch out for. hes 1-1 with overeem and has some serious power. big foot was dropped by mike kyle, a lightheavy weight so being on the same side of the bracket as overeem will be interesting. i just wish the ufc would do a tournament like this......

Overeem and dos santos will win.



I think werdum is overrated though. He got knocked down by fedor within 20 seconds, and fedor was a bit overzealous. If they fought again fedor would beat him in my opinion. He did outpoint bigfoot though, which was a good win.



And alistair is clearly on steroids, so even though he could very well beat every heavyweight in the world, i find it hard to rank him in the top until he's had proper long term drug testing done. He has had one fight in the united states since november 2007, and its not that hard avoiding one test if you do your cycles right.



But i agree the fight may actually be bigger than dos santos vs carwin.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/20283/federal-prosecutor-ties-ufcs-shane-carwin-to-steroid-distribution-ring.mma

I knew about shane carwins previous steroid use, but he doesnt still use it, unlike overoids.

It has never been proven that Alistair has taken steroids and yet you are acting like it's a fact. What the Shane Carwin situation proves is that if you do take the stuff, the truth will eventually come out about it. It has been years and still not one authority, organization or even a single person has come forward with any proof about Alistair Overeem taking anything, like what happened to Shane Carwin.



Alistair Overeem is innocent until someone proves him guilty! Some guys don't need enhancements to build a great deal of muscle mass while other guys cannot gain a pound without it.



Honestly the way some guys here assume things like they are facts kind of reminds me of the way people used to get hunted down by witch hunt mobs because someone wasn't normal to their standards.

First of all, the shane carwin thing only proves he used it, it doesnt in any way shape or form prrove that if you "take the stuff, the truth will eventually come out about it". As if that magically happens if you use steroids.





Secondly, i say it like its a fact simply because it is. I would bet my house on it. The reason he has never been caught is because he has only been tested ONCE! So the "It has been years and still not one authority, organization or even a single person has come forward with any proof about Alistair Overeem taking anything" - argument, weighs less than a fart.



People who have never been in an environment where steroids have been taken simply dont comprehend how easy it is to pass the tests. Simply time your cycle right, and you wont be busted. Its as easy as passing a marijuana test, just dont smoke ten days before you take the test, and you'll be fine.

i think junior dos santos has the best credentials. 6 fight win streak in the ufc, 5 ko's, and his first one was werdum. who is overrated just because he submitted fedor who would definatly win the rematch. i cant remember when overeem last fought a top 10 guy by the way.

Overeem beat Rogers when he was ranked at #7.

i dont agree that rogers was ever a true top 10 heavyweight. hes so one dimensional

Overeem at 46 mma fights vs JDS's 13 mma fight. I think Overeem has the better resume.

aside from getting beat by arona, shogun (twice), liddell, lil nog (twice).

since hes moved up to heavyweight he has fought some really tough guys (hunt, fujita) but the only true top 10 fighter at the time would probably be cro cop (who was just starting his slide out of greatness)

How would Alistairs's win over Werdum be a bigger achievement than JDS beating Carwin? JDS knocked out Werdum silly with an upper cut back in UFC 90 and has also proved his not afraid to trade with great BJJ practicians like Gonzaga. If anything, this would be a huge accomplishment for JDS since we haven't seen him fight anyone with the same power and boxing skills as Carwin.

I would like to see Fabricio beat Overeem. And Velasquez.

it would be a cool story, the odds are stacked against him

For some reason, people seem to forget that Werdum already beat Overeem by submission before. Werdum is obviously being underestimated. However, I doubt he'd beat JDS (already got KO'd by him), Carwin, or Velasquez.

I would say Carwin, and JDS is a pickem fight, Reem should beat Werdum, as long as he dosnt follow Werdum to the ground.

personally Velasquez vs Dos Santos is the biggest and best heavyweight fight that could ever be!!!

Overeem and JDS should win, and are the favorites.



Alistair is the most well rounded HW in the division right now, and he has massive KO power and plenty of athleticism to go along with his size and power. Did anyone see his flying knee? He almost cleared over the head of his opponent.



JDS does not possess more KO power than Carwin but JDS appears to have the stamina edge compared to Shane at this point (considering JDS has past the first round several times), and his boxing is a bit more technical.

I am not so certain that JDS will defeat Carwin. I like JDS's boxing better, but Carwin hits like a tank. Carwin also has decent wresting and GnP. I have to think Carwin has addressed stamina issues, he's a pretty smart guy.



When I look at this fight, I see it as pretty evenly balanced on the odds.



Werdum might pull off a flying triangle early, but unless he works a miracle, he will be pounded by Overeem. Overeem has a huge confidence in his striking and his knees, and justifiably so.

The combined experience on Cain/Carwin/JDS is still below Overeem's.

how so ? do you mean fujita, duffee, buentello,rogers or getting ko'ed while running scared with his back turned by kharitoniv (in all fairness he does have a tko victory over kharitoniv as well)

lol, sorry your post made me laugh, not in a bad way. I never said the "quality of fighters" but EXPERIENCE. And if you are going to argue experience then go ahead lets see it.

i dont think you can really make the arguement that werdum and allistar are more accomplished hw's than mir,carwin,cain,jds or even brock. werdum has only got two wins against decent opponents in last couple years(fedor/silva) and allistar while he holds two belts has never even faced a top five HW in his life

On the same token, Carwin only beat Mir, Cain beat Nog and Brock. Junior has yet to face a top 10. Werdum beat the number #1/2 heavyweight, and he also defeated Big Foot whom was in the top 10. Although i do agree Overeem isn't at the top because of his recent HW fights but the combined career of his is far more impressive then Mir/Cain/Brock/Carwin individually, maybe not together, but compared Overeem to individual fighter he's got the better resume. The only reason we are discussing this is because they are in the UFC which obviously makes the the best...that was sarcasm if you didn't catch it.

you probaly didnt realize i am talking about overeems HW carreer not his overall. you would be hard pressed to say the reem has a more extensive HW record than any of the mentioned above

I concur on the HW side. But to ignore his 'whole' career is too selective.

this article is stupid. it sais overeem beating wurdum would be a bigger accomplishment than dossantos beating carwin, which i disagree with, but i think everyone is forgetting that dossantos already destroyed wurdum, easily, and wurdum hasnt changed at all since then. what little standup we saw of his in the fedor fight was atrotious. the only thing thats changed is wurdum has a huge name now just because he beat fedor. overeem will beat wurdum with relative ease, i gaurantee that.