Joe Rogan slams Phan vs. Garcia Decision; FightMetric report indicates the judges were blind

That's all I have to say

man that was a bullshit call i mean what the hell were they watching, it is impossible even for a guy that has never seen a mma match to think that garcia won that fight, and the wost part is that that was the best fight of the night and was ruined by this ****suckers

It's cause Cecil Peoples was a judge....

One Word..........LAME. With all your @!%#'n $$$ you cant fix this problem mr president........that decision made judges look dumb as hell....Dana, you should be embarrassed bro......hands down.

as a mma fan it drives me crazy to here fans boo any fighter after a fight

most of the time these guy train there ass off and work really hard

and it isnt his or her fault for the judging Garcia has never came out and not gave 110% dude is a fun guy to watch and felt so bad for him cause

the fans would even let him talk and he was saying how Phan had won

its great to have a humble guy like that in mma and to boo him was a complete disrespect to him fighters shouldnt be booed for the most part they give there heart to it and is so disrespectful true fans wouldnt

boo the fighters,....boo the fight but not the fighter they should of let him talk applauded him for what he said

Tony Weeks and Adelay Byrd were the two stooges. If Cecil was there then we'd have the complete trio. How scary would that have been to see? UD for Garcia lmao

I'm getting so sick of these moronic comments. Cecil Peoples WAS NOT a judge in this fight. It was Adalaide Byrd, Tony Weeks and Junichiro Kamijo. Of which the latter was the judge that scored it for Phan.



Cecil is a crappy judge, but don't blame every bad decision in MMA on him.

peoples actually was there. i remember i was like oh no wonder they ****ed up, 2 judges were women, 1 was peoples

its absolutely sickoning when a fighter gets robbed of a decision. especially after Nam fought hard for 15 minutes for his spot in the promotion. its ridiculous... every Judge should have to have a certified MMA judging license of some sort, you cant just take boxing judges or idiots of the street and send them into one of the biggest promotions and judge fights. its ridiculous, no other sport has a problem of this magnitude.. its really hurting MMA's image.

literally robbing him. screws him of a win bonus.

From what I understand at this point Dana went ahead and awarded him the win bonus anyway. Very nice thing to do considering the circumstances.

Nam Phan beat Garcia for sure (IMO)



Last show we had the missing 7 seconds of a fight .. that has still gone un-explained. Now we get the same Nevada Athletic Fight Fixers that ruined boxing.



Sanctioned = Fixed in Vegas



There is an old saying "If you can bet on it in Vegas .. Its fixed".

Prime example would be the NBA ref that was doing it for 10yrs. During that period the NBA swore their games were not fixed ...ooops!



The UFC does not and will not ever control the N.A.C. .. but i bet i know who does and always has. The crook in charge (frontman) Kizer deny's there is even a problem though millions of viewers can see it.

You know what control the UFC has? is picking where they hold events. They should have more events in places where there is more responsible sanctioning. Less work for these sanctioning bodies might be the pressure they need to be more accountable.

I think you are 100% right. The "Uneducated" judges excuse is wearing very thin with fans. The guys making these calls know exactly what they are doing. I mean the fight wasn't even close. Stupidity does not cover this one - Sorry Joe, this result was corrupt as f**k.

Actually, the clock issued was explained. It turned out that the on screen clock was wrong. Which I guess is the clock synced up with the hammer guy... So there was actually no time taken away from the bout.

theres a video on youtube where a guy times the fight. His timing shows the round to be 7 secs short.

I was robbed on my lowkick picks because I picked Phan via decision.



Hey Anton, I get -5 for picking phan but it was a split decision. I think that I should get some points or at least 0 because Im 30% right.



And whats with getting points for decision wins when people picked KO. Sure you picked the right fighter but 30 points seems excessive to me?!

awww do you need a tissue???

not as much as your moms gonna when im done with her

You hit women?

Ive been known to "unload" on them from time to time

Then your a coward

your not getting a joke

Sorry bud, but its based on a multiplier similar to betting odds. Thats just the way it works : )

I dont know what "based on a multiplier" means?



If i was betting with a friend and he bets me that somebody get knocked out in the first round and then the fight goes to decision I wouldnt say he won . And if he bet on a decision but the fight goes to split the other way. Id still say he lost but it was close. Id certainly give him more credit for that.



Guess im more confused by getting so many points for calling the fight the wrong way. Seems to me if dont think the spilt decision things right you should think the KO/decision thing is wrong as well.

I hope Dana gives Nam the win bonus he deserves.

He gas given Phan the win bonus. Its official

has**

I think it was one of the most bull decisions ever called. Nam won definitely won 2 if not all 3 rounds. Terrible call. I know its not the UFC that is corrupt but I think they really need to get some new judges in there that actually know what is happening and actually trains and or has trained in some type of MMA. The UFC did give Nam and Garcia 30k bonuses for the fight. So at least they a recognizing that it was a terrible call

nam won that fight hands down.. like machida losing to rampage was a poor call 2..

i dunno why ur getting weaked that makes alot of sense lol....its bad enough the judges overvalued certain aspects of the game like agression and octogon control, now they are just plain inconsistent and ignorant. This proves that its not the scoring system that is flawed, it is the judges. (although i think the scoring system could use some tweaks)

No with the Rampage fight Rampage pinned Machida against the cage the majority of the time and actually struck him. Also Machida was back pedaling the entire time, which is his style though..... Garcia and Phan each were getting each other to back pedal (cant say who was back pedaling more since i cant remember the entire fight) but Garcia was getting outstruck regardless. The two fights are different

T666 gets weaked because he is an absolute idiot

OMG conspiracy theory! Why hate on Dana White!???

Thats a possibility, many old school commissions favor boxing, and their covering MMA is a necessary evil to them.

yep! the ufc got to do sum thing be4 every 1 eles gets screwed!

I had it slightly closer than fightmetric but still, Phan clearly won. Garcia threw A LOT of punches that only hit air. I know that they only hit air because I have eyes and their was so much power on those punches that if they landed Phan would have gone to sleep after just a few.

I am glad that Joe Rogan got angry and said the things he said. There is a website, I wont name names because of the position I am in, but they decided to write within an article that Joe Rogan's "rant" was unprofessional and that he should be punished. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, about as stupid as people saying that the UFC is corrupt. They're soooo corrupt, yet they do not cut people who would have otherwise been cut if the UFC had agreed with the decision. They're soooo corrupt that they paid Nam Phan his win bonus even tho they "secretly fixed the fight!" Nothing worse then conspiracy theorists in MMA.

i agree. you should have commented on that article and shine some light on that nimrod. i would want to have rogan tell it how it is and be honest rather then have him ignore it and act like it didn't happen and completely disrespect the viewers intelligence.. It showed how much he cares for the fighters and this sport and EVERY WORD was true. i would like to see him argue either of those points

Agree, and my response to the article on that "website" is , why should a commentator be proffesional to people who act tottaly unprofessional against the fighters and the viewers/fans?

whats wrong with you?

hes probably ugly, small has little penis and runs away from a fight.

Know what I'd like to see? Every time Cecil Peoples is going to judge, punch him in the face and have Joe Rogan do it instead.

Funny thing is that fightmetric backed up machida too, yet people get hated on in here for saying it's the same thing.

Even though I disagree with many of the things that Joe says from time to times , I can't have anything but respect for a guy who speaks his mind, and this time was right on the button with his comment.



Congrats Joe Rogan!!!

i reviewed the fight again today..

round 1

it could be scored either way

i had garcia.. cause he was a bit more

agressiv and nam didn't do any significant damage

but like i sayed could be scored either way!

round 2

garcia won the first 2 minutes and got a takedown

then nam rocked him bad and dominated him on the ground

but maybe the didn't scored it for nam cause he did not enough

to finish the fight or he was not able to..

i had this round for nam!

round 3

like the first round depends on what you score!

i think i could give it to garcia..

he was more agressive and had better octagon controle...

and nam did no damage.. but im no judge!!



i have it 29-28 garcia



strange thing is how can 2 judges have it 29-28 garcia

and 1 judge have it 30-27 nam??? thats strange.. that

means they dont realy know how to score fights!!



i like garcias fighting style!!! :-D

its entertaining.. i love all of his fights!!

he goes in there to win and brings the fight!!

he is not one of these fighters who fights

only not to lose!!!

why not just use these computer judging systems like fightmetric and compustrike, thus leaving out the room for human error? the judges are only human and will end up making mistakes that cost a guy a fight.

but if there's such a huge discrepancy between the amount of strikes landed than i think the person who's done the most damage should win

Well the good thing about the controversy for Nam is that he will most likely get another go at the UFC.

Big John McCarthy said it years ago "They got the wrong people judging the fights"



I think Rogan has it right; flood the commission with emails demanding an overhaul to the judging system. It's long over due!

I like Joe Rogan for being honest, not everyone will take a stand behind the UFC and still stay in the game so to speak.

Nam won, anyone that says otherwise is just trying to be different and difficult.

Garcia punched a while lotta air in that fight. Nam connected with hit after hit almost knocking garcia out and Nam did a great job in that fight.

Just because Garcia charges punches like he is playing super smash and shakes his head alot when he throw doesn't mean he did good. It must be an illusion cuz some people have fallen for it.

i watched the fight 4 times and i had garcia winning 1st and 3rd, so i dont no but i cant see why its such a issue, garcia was the busiest fighter clearly, since when is looking tired and swinging wildly losing the fight, Phan fought in spurts, garcia land more punches, leg kicks, knees and takedowns, i think cause he looked tired most of the fight, people had him losing, winning and losing fights is not decided on ur posture and how u look people ye are all wrong on dis

I don't know why we need a commission, to be honest.



The commission (any commission) is supposed to provide a good number of things including "legitimacy" and ensure that the fights and fighters, are clean. Based on that, could anyone argue that these commissions have done their job(s)?



If there is genuine concern outside of the MMA community that the sport is rigged, issues dubious decisions or is shoddy, in terms of its oversight (in regard to steroids and tainted fighters), then IMO, the commission has failed in its primary objective(s) and is, perhaps, more of a problem, then a solution.



And other then simply providing "regulation", which is what the politicians required in order for the sport to be licensed, which is nothing more then a set of "standing" rules, which the sport would need to adopt, anyway, what exactly has this commission or any other, done for the sport and The UFC? I'd say, precious little.



And lets face two ugly facts: First, commissions became fashionable as a result of corruption and collusion in "other" sports; not MMA. Since its inception with the Gracies, I have never heard of a single accusation of a rigged fight; not one. Concordantly, commissions themselves have a long and storied history of corruption and bribe taking; as have had government officials, who might pass or deny legislation on such matters.



Based on the above, I see no reason why The UFC needs to or should be, under the boot-heel of this type of incompetence. I see no reason why The UFC cannot and should not govern itself; surely it would do a better job. The UFC has the money and power to hire its own expert judges and to institute stringent drug (testing) policies. What else is left to cover? The UFC, as any business, is held accountable by its customer base, for the quality or their product. If they were freed of the albatross of commissions, they could and would, provide a better product. As it stands right now, rightly or wrongly, they get to stand or hide behind the tag line of..."it's the commission's fault". Okay, then do something about it Dana.



A quick solution and (a) shot across the commission's bow - would be for The UFC to impanel its own set of judges and have them score the fight(s) and post those scores. If nothing else, it might embarrass the commission(s) into doing something about the problem and give us, the fans, a little piece of mind. And given that it's an international sport that moves around, I see no reason as to why The UFC shouldn't have a set of judges at every fight, in every country, simply for the purposes of consistency.



For the record, I scored the fight 29 - 28 Nam. I had picked Garcia, to win.

I miss stated my score of that fight and actually scored it 30 - 27, Nam; just keeping myself honest.

Again with the essays wing chung.....if you actaully want people to read what you have to say (other than when you are writing your essays in response to insults, or your other essays that are negative rigth from the get go and provoke members of thsi community to retort) than i suggest you keep it concise.....



Yours truly, your #1 Troll, AhOu :)

@ Ah



Another little dog on LowKick...yap, yap, yap.



Funny - you commented on the fact that I made a comment, but said nothing in regard to what was actually written. That makes you a joke; someone with no credibility. If (only) you had attacked the content and trashed that, you'd (still) have some credibility; tisk, tisk.



Concise - Why do you read it if it's too long? Why not just pass it by, as so many must have? Why do you take the time out of your precious day to comment? Seems a tad schizophrenic. On the one hand you find it too long to bother with, but on the other hand, you have to comment on it; again, its schizophrenic. And if you didn't read it and commented on it, then how sad, pathetic and lonely you must be.



Provoking Members - My opinion provokes members? Is there a list? Can you prove this to me (for whatever it's worth) or to the community, at large? No, this is just you babbling bullshit, again; as is your MO. However, to answer the accusation directly, let me say this...I don't give a #### who I provoke with my opinion(s). Perhaps this type of mindset is an alien concept to an amorphous type, such as yourself.



Interesting - I don't read anything you post, nor do I comment on it; other then my replies to your other proactive and obnoxious posts, to me. There is nothing that you have to say that would be of interest to me. You don't know what you believe or why you believe it. Your opinions shift like the tidal sludge that oozes from the bowls of New York's sewers.



Concluding - I appreciate you being a "fan" of mine and the fact that you read "all" of my posts. I take all of the unimaginative drivel that you post as triumph and trophy, over you; it is demonstrative of your intellectual subservience, to me. With every post you infer (upon me) and build the case, that I am your better. And the more base and angry those posts are or may get, the more you demonstrate that I am, indeed, your better. I, on the other hand, have no interest in you and have never proactively addressed you; and you should draw a negative conclusion from that. Again, though, I appreciate your interest in my posts, though. Every audience has its heckler. I guess your just the heckler in my audience. However, the operative word in that sentence is "audience"; your part of :my: audience; not me, yours. :-)



Cheers and thanks for being my #1 Troll; at least you know what you are.



Wing Chun

Yes wingchung, that is how it all works. You are much better me. Why? Are you a happier person than me? Are you smarter than me? Did I waste more time posting to you than you posted to me? I must say it is very sad the point you have come to in your pathetic life. Where online forums define who you are. Thats why you must respond to EVERYTHING people say to you. I hope things pick up for u bud, would be a shame if the world lost ya.

@ Dray12



Running two profiles, are you Dray? I deduct that you are also the AhOu profile, as well; how slimy.



Thank you for acknowledging that I am your better; cheers, to that.



To answer your questions in order - Yes. Yes. Yes.



Your passive aggressive writing style needs both psychological and literary assistance.



Cheers,



Wing Chun

@Joey_Santosus



Nobody said the UFC was corrupt that i read ..

the Nevada Athletic commission is.



The UFC has 0% control over the commission or the judges. The same commission of crooks that run boxing.



If having their own credited judges had been a UFC sticking point in the beginning .. it would have never been sanctioned at all.

If it can happen in the NBA, NFL, and Boxing it can happen in the UFC my friend ...

The on screen clock wasn't what interested me on this issue..



You here the guy give the 10 second to go warning and then the fight ends 3 seconds later ... So that on screen clock excuse won't hold water unless everyone was wrong but the guy who rang the bell to end the round..



On a side note .. Zuffa LLC has pulled evey copy i can find listed on google of that fight off the net.



Luckily i have my own.

THAT SYSTEM WAS ALWAYS SHIT ! NEVADA STATE WILL NOT CHANGE THAT SYSTEM! IT WILL BE UP TOO DANA WHITE AND THE FIGHTERS ! DANA CAN ONLY HELP BACK HIS FIGHTERS UP! FIGHTERS AND DANA CAN CHANGE FOR THE BETTER !

Pham won that fight easy

it was an easy 30-27