I agree the eye played a huge role, at the end of the first round GSP was starting to look real aggressive and putting a lot into his punches then by the third round he looked tentative and unwilling to really go at Shields, it honestly looked like a casual sparring session those last few rounds.
The eye injury did played a big role on how the fight went.
i think GSP would have press the action more but i still dont think he would have finish Shields.
But it would have been a much more fun fight to watch that i do agree!
I know that the EYE makes a huge hugeeeee difference, but gsp has good punches like the overhand right that was still landing he just didnt comit!
he wasnt putting combinations together well, and when he did throw the over hand right is was sloppy and he kept lifting his back foot. the matt sera fight definitely changed him as a fighter
talk about commit where was Jake in this fight, for a guy that has
sure a great skill level and had a chance for the belt and just
would pull the trigger his skills are his ground game and would try to
get him down was a huge disappointment and if GSP wasnt so careful
because of the skill he is suppose to have think he would of pressed
harder.....and Jake was waving his hands like bring it but yet he didnt really do chit.....but yet 2 judges gave Jake 2 rounds....that is crazy
At the end of the day, this guy is the champion,not the challenger and not the aggressor. I rather watch a standup fight with gsp then a lay and prey yet ppl still find every reason to criticize him cause he doesnt finish fights or get off his gameplan... And of course add a eye injury to that as well.
Next time you go to the club to train - try wearing an eye-patch and see how you do?
Personally speaking - I think Jackson summed it up well, when he said the failure to finish was as a result of the eye and Shields being a far better fighter, particularly in his stand-up, that people give him credit for.
It is ridiculous - to think that the fight sucked, because Georges is some flawed, imperfect or gutless fighter. I believe he showed great heart last night and as I said on another thread, where is the criticism of Shields for not being able to finish or really even engage a significantly damaged and disadvantaged opponent.
I give Rush all the props in the world for it and the card, as a whole, was worth every penny of the PPV.
I completely agree with that statement - considering the advantage, Shields did very little in rounds 3-5. In my opinion, he deserves the bulk of any criticism, although I did expect GSP to put on somewhat of a more dominant performance overall. In my opinion, the fight went as well as Jake could have possibly hoped for, and he still came nowhere close to winning.
Shield's grappling and submissions were easily neutralized by GSP. Easily. Jake tried to clinch and perform takedowns in the first round, and realized instantly that he was unlikely to be successful at either. He then used a gameplan he was more or less destined to lose with - specifically, a standup battle - and although he scored a few shots, were it not for the lucky shot to the eye (as it was clearly unintentional), this fight would have been a literal recreation of Koscheck vs GSP.
That makes me think, do any of you know of any fighters who have sparred with an eye patch on in training to simulate a badly swollen eye or an injury like whatever happened to GSP.
I agree with your words and especially thought the example of putting on an eyepatch as a way to somehow bring home the palpable point to those who have never experienced such an injury just how seriously it affects every part of fighting.
Remember also--when you only have one eye left--if that one gets injured, the fight is over--so you not only have the difficulty of fighting your opponent less effectively, but you must ensure your good eye does not get damaged. Let's face it, if anyone gets their eye injured to the point of blindness in any sport--they stop playing right away--and go to a doctor.
When Koscheck got his orbital bone broken, he kept fighting bravely, but he was less effective after his eye went, and people blamed his tentativeness on his skill level, not his injury. Furthermore, these expert fans criticized GSP for not easily finishing an injured opponent. Now they criticize GSP for not easily finishing a healthy opponent while he was injured.
Excellent point - I hadn't even considered that; losing the other eye, that is.
I just finished watching the Aldo / Hominick fight, again and wow, Aldo's performance was more impressive, second time through. I had forgotten how hard he put Mark down (twice) in the fourth. And even in the fifth, Hominick's take-down was due to a reaction from a viscous upper-cut. The guy is a beast and it was easily fight of the night; with honorable mention to Rory MacDonald for his stomp-down of Nate Diaz.
My one negative comment on Aldo's performance - if this was the old days, when a fight just went on until it was finished, I think Mark might easily have won. He could easily of kept going; face, head, eye's and all. His heart and will were never damaged by Aldo and there was still tons of gas in that tank.
Aldo vs. Hominick 2 - I hope, is not a fight long in the making. I'm sure second time round would be an even better and more competitive fight; for Mark, that is. Although he was truly dominated by The Champ, he gave an excellent showing of himself and truly tested The Champ. I would love to see a re-match. I personally would vote "up" on an immediate re-match.
And on that note - who else is there? Kenny Florian? Aldo would / will crush Kenny. I firmly believe that; K-Flo doesn't have the tools or the power, to deal with Jose. I vote re-match; either immediately or 1 more fight; provided Hominick wins. That fight was great; and I picked Mark.
Chad Mendes is next for Aldo, and he is a very dangerous opponent. My gut tells me Mendes gives Aldo a lot of trouble, but I pray Aldo wins that fight because he is easily in my top 5 favorite fighters list. I don't care for team Alpha Male, but Mendes has all the tools to be a champion. As for Hominick I'm unsure of his place in the FW division. He's going to have a tough time with some of the elite grapplers and wrestlers on the rise. I'd like to see him face a young gun like Kock, Grispi, Poirer ect.
Jake proved he was worthy to fight Gsp. the eye was injured with a legit punch by sheilds,and changed gsp . so the fact that it may have caused gsp not to fight his best,is what happens in any fight when you get tagged.Sheilds was hurting him by the end and if he had a little better luck would have beat Gsp.Gsp was a bloody mess ,plus blind in one eye,so Sheilds punches must have been better than they looked. need a rematch ,bet sheilds would win the next one .also notice gsp was scared to get on the floor with him for long.
He fought intelligently and courageously, given the circumstances. With both eyes he would have continued to remain loose and open up (on the right occasions).
Everybodys a critic
Silva gets taken down repeatedly and punched in the head for 23 mins then pulls out a last submission against and people talk about his heart citing an injured rib.
GSP has vision out of only one eye for the majority of the fight completely negates the takedowns of one of if not the best grappler in mma and people criticize him.
The fight was a little underwhelming but most people would not have been happy unless he dropped Shields.
silva coming back and finishing his opponent is alot more impressive than gsp complaining about an eye injury that no one saw happen and use it as an excuse to lay back and let the clock run out.
i wouldnt even go as far as fighting try doing anything after your eye has been poked so bad you cant see it sucks both your eyes start to water it decreases vision in both eyes then you have to fight the strong natural instinct to cover it up with your hand
GSP was not poked in the eye. people criticize him because their instinct tells them there is some BS here.
Please go watch the youtube flick - as it clearly shows Sheilds going for an open palm strike and that his fingers clearly went into GSP's eye...
ok. please put up a link to this youtube flick.
I'm too lazy to look for the actual youtube link, here is the site that has it already.
yes, i stand corrected. thats a pretty blatant poke. thanks for the link.
You can see Shields's hands are completely open while GSP has a clenched fist. Intentionally/unintentionally Shields stand up is now factually horrible - with proof.
The eye injury is an excuse for a less than stellar performance. Its a fight and injuries are part of it. Shields landed a well place shot directly to GSP's eye which played a roll in the lack of performance but saying he didn't perform because of an injury is like saying I didn't win because my opponent knocked my ass out!!!
Who's making the excuse? GSP didn't mention getting poked in the eye....in fact he complimented Shields for having a better boxing than he expected.....BUT there is this video that clearly shows he got poked....
So poke yourself or have someone else poke you in the eye hard and let me know if it doesn't bother your day to day stuff.
no ****n way thats a load of bull shit eye or no eye ive seen way worst that that. his eye wasnt hurt. now im wondering if he really did tear his groin wit the alves fight. fukn jake shields just wouldnt give up and thats why he started rubbing his eye youll see it shields coudnt take him down so he tryed to strike and he was pressuring gsp .yes gsp was winning the exchanges but shields heart was way too big break and that deserves a rematch