When Georges Safe-Pierre retires, he will be lucky to even be considered the second best martial artist ever.
Hes more complete then Anderson Silva.....Silva is very dangerous and has phenomenal stand up but GSP embodies MMA. Just because it goes to decision, doesnt make him any less complete.....
GSP has weak standup,his submission game is OK. Everyone knows it, My bad for responding to you but it needed to be said.
GSP is really good but really people his game is not the most complkete because if you are the most complete you will complete a finish against top tier fighters. How is making it to decision everytime completeing a fight? Yes GSP has decent standup but and great wrestling but he most certainly does not have the best of submissions and rarely has the power to complete a KO or even TKO for that matter. He is far away from being as complete as AS since AS has an answer to every aspect of MMA with finishing results in every aspect. GSP is the most equaly distributed in terms of his abilities with JJ and striking with a great wrestling ability to peak the other skills but AS is better than he is at JJ and striking by far and his wrestling weakness has been overshadowed by his ability to beat wrestlers anyway wether they take him down or not. I think thats a DaddyLongShot statement you make.
My bad for 'weaking' you, but it had to be done.
@Nemesis. Yeah, his stand up is so weak that he has out struck everyone he has fought including Thiago Alves.
What's up with being bloodied by shields then? Those rock-em sock-em robots sure can pack a whollop nowadays.
You can be a fan just for the love of honesty don't make things up and say things that don't even make any sense.Ie:GSP is the most unpredictable fighter in the UFC,GSP has great standup,GSP is invincible and can't be hurt etc,
I said he had decent stand up but not compared to AS. Also he beat alves for the single reason that alves was more worried about the TD.
Nemesis, hmmm yeah Chael Sonnen outstruck Silva? Does that make Silva not a good striker? No.....Silva has the best stand up in MMA. Silva has his rib excuse and GSP has his busted eye excuse. But at least people can witness Shields stabbing GSP's eye with his thumb on the internet.
I never said any of that. I also never claimed that Shields didn't shock every one who was paying attention by keeping pretty even with GSP in the stand up. What I did say and stand by is that GSP has out struck everyone he has fought. Serra got him once but we all saw the rematch.
Well, everyone that has enough sense to KNOW that steroids aren't cheating also knows that chael is the best striker in MMA, so enough about that.
There's the eyepoke, notice the ACTUAL INJURY was on the other eye.Can't fix stupid.
And people can also witness GSP trying to finish Hardy and unwilling to step up to koscheck for a finish when Koscheck wasn't even doing anything back.
His left eye is the eye that got injured and in that video its his left eye that gets poked.....
You are embarrassing yourself dude Lmao.
Looks like Nemesis is the new Lowkick Troll
Well ofcourse it had to be done, it's the only thing that CAN be done when you know you're wrong but you can't man up and admit it.
None of this matters because everyone knows that fedor is best and GSP is just weak substitute
There comes a point where you have to take risks in order to be considered the greatest ever, at anything! How can he even catch Anderson Silva, who uses Martial Arts in a dominant way, in every fight, and executes people with it? Like Pierre, Mayweather, is considered the best in many ways, hasn't been in a war because he doesn't want to engage, its fantastic to keep a beautiful record, but fans are fans because of excitement, not records. This will be another wrestling match, and Diaz isn't super on the ground :/
Really? Diaz not super on the ground? Perhaps not a great wrestler, but his BJJ is top notch.
I'm a fan of Diaz, when I said "super", I meant he be on his back, and yes his BJJ is good, but that's defense once down, Pierre doesn't care to truly progress once there, rather keep it safe and repeatedly earn take-down points.
You're going about it all the wrong way man. First of all, i don't consider wrestling a martial art per se.
Second, in order to have any chance of this happening without people smiling or making a confused face, you're actually going to need to fight someone as opposed to doing everything you can to keep them from fighting.
A legendary fighter is more than just ömg look at hiz record!" and that's what some dummies don't understand, you'll NEVER be a legend if all you do is hold people down, and keep them away with jabs when you can't do that.
LMAO...I always get a good laugh whenever I see Georges Safe-Pierre practice his striking.
Not only is wrestling a martial art; it's the oldest martial art known to man. Wrestling is the great negator. If done effectively it can cancel out any and all forms of martial arts. Just look at GSP lol.
Yea i know how easy it is to subdue someone, i was a wrestler myself but i still don't consider it a martial art
But that the thing. It's NOT easy to subdue someone. It takes a boatload of effort and energy trying to hold down a guy who wants nothing more than to get back to his feet and knock your block off. Wrestling is as much a martial art to, for example, Randy Couture as Karate is to Lyoto Machida. Just because wrestling doesn't have the mystifying Asian Gi-wearing black belt grand master who lives in a temple in the Himilayas teaching people to jump snap kick or reciting mantras, doesnt mean wrestling is any less of a martial art lol.
In my experience if you have the proper balance and position yourself, subdue someone is hella easy..REALLY easy. I don't consider wrestling a martial art any more than i consider streetfighting a martial art.
Martial arts are about mental and spiritual training as much as they are physical, lots of guys don't get that and that's why only a handful off MMA competitiors are actually real martial artists.
@Nemesis. Was Bruce Lee a martial artist? I ask because he trained with wrestlers, learned wrestling and considered it a vital part of being a complete martial artist.
Inclusion of wrestling in the quest to become a complete fighter is expected, just don't see wrestling ALONE as being a martial art in the same way having punching techniques alone doesn't make you a martial artist.
Doesn't mean that a real martial artist won't punch which is what it seemed like you were thinking i said.
That's cool. You should check out some San Shou Kuai Jiao. It might change your mind. It is a form of wrestling that uses throws and take downs specifically to cause injury.
@ Catch that post was a good laugh, cheers!
BEAT Spider Silva and you will be...
It's SAFER to wait until he's retired.
GSP= Broken record.
Before fight: I am da best fighterrr everrr and i will destroy Em.
After fight: Ohhh shit. My eyesss i cant siii
Then a week later we hear a report how gsp can't stay out of the gym and is training as if he didn't make us think he was going blind. Matt serra changed him. Now he fights for his legacy, and not for being known as the best p4p fighter ever. Give it up gsp your as clear as water.
As much as I respect GSP and the skills he posseses, we ALL know he has turned into a safe fighter fighting to win a decision. I mean cmon! Dan Hardy (Ko'd by Condit, subbed by LYTLE?!) could not be finished by GSP. I repeat, he was submitted by Lytle but could not be finished by GSP? After his loss to Serra, GSP vowed to never put himself at risk of losing a fight unneccessarily. Unfortunatelt that now includes a fighting style which uses range jabs and wrestling to grind out a win. Im a wrestler myself and can appreciate his dominant victories. And in GSP's defense, he is boring yes. But NO ONE has been able to stop him and his decisions. So put up or shut up. If you dont like GSP's style, find a way to beat him and take his belt. BUT, to aim to be the greatest MMA (or martial artist) to ever live when you got a guy (Silva) one wieght class up who is finishing people (as of late) in devestating form is a tall order. There is only ONE way GSP can prove this. How? FIGHT SILVA. Better yet, FINISH SILVA and then we we can discuss GSP being the all time best. I got nothing but love for GSP and his style, but this is the truth.
There is one big difference between the fight with GSP and Hardy and the fights with Condit and Lytle.
Hardy was actually attacking when he got KO'd against Condit and when he got subbed by Lytle.
Hardy threw less punches the GSP did in the fight and landed a smaller percentage. In the fight with GSP Hardy was playing it very safe and did not do what he said he would do before the fight, which was bring the fight to GSP. He was on the defensive very quickly in the fight even on his feet.
In the Condit fight Hardy landed one shot that he claimed gave him too much confidence. As a result he got coc.ky and got caught. In other words he was attacking which provides more opportunites for the opponent to make mistakes
In the fight with Lytle Hardy's undoing was when he tried to take Lytle down to score some last minute points. He would never have even attempted that against GSP. This gave Lytle a very easy choke. Again, he was attacking.
I am not saying that GSP's have been overly exciting as of late but to compare how other fighters have fared against past opponents of GSP without comparing how those opponents approached each fighter is not an accurate comparison.
Point taken. But do not forget GSP had Hardy in a full armbar at one point and still didn't finish. Was that sign of Hardy's determination not to tap?
What about Koscheck being an inch from death and still no finish? And how many times was hardy in a sub attempt with gsp and never gave up. We all asumed he would pass out before tapping to lytle but obviously dan will tap if it's done right. Even GSP said he didn't perform the subs properly.
Don't forget the nature of the sub: Lytle had him in a guillotine, cutting off this air supply and we all know, when you can't breathe, nothing else matters. GSP had some arm submissions which are a lot easier to fend off.
Condit was just more precise with his shot than Hardy was. If Hardy was a few inches sharper, I bet we would of seen a double KO.
But I will say it now. Condit will take GSP's belt. 27 wins, 26 finishes? The dude comes to take you out.
I agree ....if Diaz doesn't take him out , I would bet on Condit to do it. Carlos is very underated.
No way in he'll. He is so full of himself and surrounded by ass kissers that he doesn't see how bad he looks. Potential? Hell yes but he's a shell of what could be. He's the epitome of "gone Hollywood".
George: Take off the Underarmor unitard and start fighting again. You use to be fun to watch.
I like him for the hard working man that he is - and for the great fighting plans and psychological conditioning he does before each fight. That said, George is simply George. Who is 'the best' is a meaningless argument. If one is to be chosen it probably would not be him.
The best martial artist of all time depends on your definition of the best. However, he is not a dynamic finisher, with fight after fight going to decision.
GSP is currently the most dominating MMA fighter of all time. He has not lost a round during his current winning streak, and that is a feat that is unmatched in UFC history.
Anderson Silva is currently the most dynamic MMA fighter of all time. He is occasionally in bad positions (see his fights vs. Sonnen and Lutter) and has lost several rounds during his winning streak. However, he is a dynamic finisher, with the ability to finish the fight at any moment from almost any position.
Personally, I am torn in deciding which fighter is better. My heart says Silva, because I love to watch his fights because of the "holy sh1t" factor. GSP is not nearly as entertaining, but he seems more unbeatable because he is so dominating.
Objectively, I have to take unbeatable over dynamic and exciting, so I grudgingly cast my vote for GSP as the best.
As a minor correction, he lost two rounds against Shields. That streak is over.
In a fight though a finish is all that matters and if anyone can get a finish more often than not it would be AS by a long shot. So best ''Fighter'' would not be GSP. AS reall wins where as GSP just keeps the upper hand until someone breaks up the fight. I can't see a logical debate comparing decisions to finishes in a fight ability comparison.
Shields won two rounds according to two of those judges. I agree with the judge that scored it 50-45.
I had no idea that was how fight statistics worked. Okay, Leonard Garcia has now officially lost his last 8 fights in a row. Someone get on wikipedia and change his record to 12-11.
guys forget about fedor because he has lost 3 fights in a row!! the guy had a 26 fight winning streak and now isnt even considered on the discussion. ali also finished his career with big loses but is still considered the best.
you cant compare the streak of fedor with the streak of silva. not only he has 11 more wins but he has more wins over legendary fighters and never had boring fights like a couple of silvas fights with leites, cote and maia. and never won a fight after being destroyed like the sonnen fight.
the only way anderson is better is that he is more spectacular than fedor as a fighter. if the best of all time means the most spectacular ever then its silva if not it has to be fedor with out a doubt!!
if gsp wants to be considered the best ever he should first destroy anderson silva then he could get on the discussion...
another moron still stuck in the past. 26 wins, thats just a number, when you actually look at all those wins, and put in perspective where all those people he beat are ranked today, its actually not that impressive considering hes supposed to be "the greatest fighter ever". then when you look who hes lost to, 3 guys all not top 10 p4p, and one of those people anderson silva has already destroyed (henderson). yes fedor at one point in time was the best fighter, but that was years ago. no fighter in zuffa will ever get winning streak like that because it is way to competetive.
Don't worry. 10-20 years from now ESPN will be having Fedor marathons.
you idiot!!! didnt you read what i said about muhamed ali?? you cant judge a fighter because of his last days... when he destroyed everyone he was the most dominant fighter ever. and guys like crocop and big nog were top 5 p4p at that moment and nobody cant denie it. and thats something silva has never done. henderson wasnt a top 5 p4p when he fought him, obviously sonnen wasnt and belfort wasnt near to. also he fought silva after 17 months of ring rust.
also guys that had huge wars like big nog, crocop, fedor, wanderlei, chuck, etc start to lose at one point.
obviously the sport evolves you RETARD and fedor nowadays doesnt compare with silva. but in any sport when they say someone is the greatest of all time it doesnt matter if the guy played along time ago... it mattered how he was dominant on his time. pele, ali and jack nicklaus are considered the best of all time on their sports and you can compare them with the best guys of nowadays because they will get destroyed!!
so you now retard understand what the best of all times means??
i will give you an advice: you should stop beleiving everything your dana boy says!! and start thinking by yourself
for me silva is now the best p4p of the world but i dont eat every word of dana. at his time fedor was way more dominant than silva. and fought better competition at their moment
also fedor was a small HW... silva is a huge MW.
he will never be like fedor and fight without the advantage unless he fights guys like james irwin or grifith!! comeonnn
Yeah, I think Silva is amazing and I really admire his skill but it is a great disappointment to me that he doesn't move to LHW. I personally think he could make Jon Jones look very, very bad but he doesn't seem interested.
Fedor did fight guys bigger than him but all the best heavyweights were the small ones anyway because the really big ones sucked. Crocop, Nog, Dan Henderson and others all fought guys bigger than them and yet it had no bearing on Henderson losing to AS. AS is just far better than anyone they have fought even though there was a size difference.
well you have the potential and your still young so keep improving!
its not an easy achievement to get since its the most prestigious title someone could get in MMA
Stand Up needs work! a few years with high level strikers
maybe Pat Barry and Anthony Pettis would be great
Finish fights then please
the fact that anyone is arguing this statement in anyway for any of the fighters mentioned is idiotic.. MMA is still in its infancy there are a few legends/pioneers of the sport but its clear non of them can be considered best ever.. and all the fighters that u are arguing are the best ever are still fighting so they still have fights left that can determine there place in MMA history. so that being said to ad to the cluster**** of stupidity already posted id have to say the best ever is probably in my professional opinion either phil "the new york bad ass" baroni or murilo "ninja" rua...