GSP's move to Middleweight is "inevitable", says the manager

Posted on November 3, 2010, 07:57 AM by Anton Gurevich
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"I think it’s inevitable; I just think it’s a matter of when," Spencer said. "When and if Georges decides to move up, it will be a permanent move and I think that is what’s difficult to ascertain regarding the timing of the move."

Personally, GSP's potential fight against Anderson Silva reminds me of the Fedor vs. Couture or Fedor vs Lesnar dream match-ups back in the day. But the only difference, is that both fighters are in the UFC, and both fighters are interested to fight each other. Shari Spencer also discussed GSP's December bout against Josh Koscheck, speaking about trash talk and motivation of the French-Canadian.

Trash talk for UFC 124:

"From a fight perspective, yes I do think it’s a poor decision because it’s going to motivate him even more than it already would," Spencer said. "From a business standpoint it may also be a poor decision because—since Georges is such a popular guy—his opponents often lose fans for attacking him, so from a personal marketing perspective it’s not super wise to go against Georges."

Motivation to defeat Koscheck:

"I think the Matt Serra experience taught him a lot, and I see that even when he is a heavy favorite there is no change in the routine," Spencer said. "He takes everybody just as seriously. People get bored of him saying, ‘This is the toughest fight of my life’ in all of his interviews, but he really does believe that or he has to believe that to be motivated. In the future, I think there is a risk there, but I think there is enough discussion about him moving up in weight, and that would obviously create new challenges."

So what do you think LowKick'ers, if GSP defeats Koscheck, will it be the right time to move up and challenge Silva? And if Anderson Silva loses his title to Vitor Belfort, should Georges St. Pierre still move up to Middleweight? Don't be shy to voice your opinion.

Source: Tapology (via BloodyElbow.com) | Photo: Sherdog.com




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  • Condomdepot
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    im not sure i want gsp to be a middleweight. I dream like everyone to see the gsp-silva fight but i'm not sure it would happen. Gsp want the move to be permanent but at the same time, he already said that he got lots of friend at middleweight that he dont want to fight.

    And what would happen to the welterweight division. I love GSP there because basically, i think hes one of the only guys that can handle the BORING fight of fitch and shields.... Im not ready to see these guys champion and have to witstand 5 round of lay and pray from a champion. Apart for the dream fight with A.silva, i think moving to middleweight might be a mistake.

    hes a dominant welterweight why not stay there. If hes bored and want more challenge ok but welterweight is stacked and theres plenty of challenge left.

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  • grapplure
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    lay and pray

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  • David Saucier
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    I like it he needs to move after he fights KOS, on average he fights every 9 months if he has a few more fights at WW he may be out of his prime when he finally decides to win.

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  • Dabs
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    Fitch is a champion level fighter and is aggressive. Much more exciting than shields. He deserves a shot yesterday.

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  • garry_blackbelt
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    gsp got all the tools too wipe out silva. the only thing is if gsp goes too middle he does not want too cut too welter weight after his step up too middle. and the other problem is dana white! if gsp destroys silva we will not have silva a t champ!

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  • garry_blackbelt
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    i really do think gsp will stay a welterweight for at least a few more yrs! gsp does not want to move down any more in weight! he will go to middle weight sum day soon! but as of now dana knows he is a huge role model ! and he is the super man in that division!

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  • JoeFaceHood
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    I'd go to MW to avoid having to potentially fight Aldo if he moves up. Even if it meant losing to AS.

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  • azzkika
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    GSP would stand a great chance of beating either of them should he ever fight them. He is p4p #1 for a reason.

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  • falcon4917
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    GSP has a chance but I don't see GSP defeating Nate, Vitor or AS because they are very explosive and GSP would hardly fare better than Chael did. I respect people that think he is p4p but I don't see him dominating the MW division.

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  • fightfan7
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    lol gsp wold lose to aldo

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  • garry_blackbelt
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    gsp would stand a chance with nate the great! but you dont see gsp beating him! why u say that for! i think i may know! ur not sure if gsp could stand with marquardt with his kicks punches! i think he could ! gsp stood with penn and penn is a better boxer than maquardt! penn beat the crap out of gsp!

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  • azzkika
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    penn beat the crap out of GSP? Don't you mean GSP beat the crap out of Penn?

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  • falcon4917
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    I just think they are to much frame and skill combined for him thats all. I respect GSP but I don't see him winning these fights.

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  • azzkika
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    I'm not sure Nate, Vitor or Nate have ever fought anyone like GSP before. Serra showed GSP is vulnerable to powerful hands, but GSP is so improved, his all round game is second to none. I personally think he has greater challenges at WW than he does at MW so don't see the point him going up as there's less talent there IMO.

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  • falcon4917
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    Overall I agree but the the likes of Nate, Vitor and AS are my only concern for him. I think Chael would walk all over him style wise and I think AS would show up for a fight like that and Vitor is far more than Serra in an explosive strike fest.

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  • Ninja
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    GSP would most likely beat Silva and easily beat Aldo if he ever tries to move to WW for some reason...which i doubt

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  • xmattxdavisx
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    why the hell would gsp fight aldo? people are questioning weather or not he could be a force at lightweight and your assuming he would beat GSP? yeah right. im not a big fan of GSP and im definatley a fan for aldo but you have to think about the facts gsp cuts weight to make 170 and has literally cleard out the division. Aldo probably cuts from 160 to make 145 and has only had 2 title defences at 145. although i could never see aldo losing to another 145 pound guy and i also see him being a major force at lightweight. but to say GSP should avoid aldo by pretty much fighting the 185 pound version of aldo is foolish. besides i dont see how anybody could make a case for this fight to begin with.

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  • kalmander
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    aldo cuts from 170 to 145 so he wont fight in 170 if he bulks up his biggest weapon speed with power what he has in 145 and even 155 would be gone

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  • SilvaOfTheStreets
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    Aldo turned down the chance to move to 155 vs Kenflo right now obviously not feeling he could gain the weight properly yet. how would he ever gain enough weight to fight at 170 with guys who weigh anywhere from 180-195 b4 the cuts. he's a small guy and I think moving to 155 will be his best place

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  • Lowkickdodger
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    Gsp could defeat Anderson SIlva cause wrestling is a strength in georges's game and a big hole in Andersons. Now, i would like to see him go up and fight Vitor and Sonnen as well. Would be great fights !



    If gsp stays in WW he could get really bored like Fedor and loose due a lack of cautiousness.

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  • whitemare
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    Tha would be awesome if he did !! i think once he beats kos and sheilds and maybe fitch one more time he should move up theres tons of great match ups for him at that weight !

    I think he would kill anderson he would just take him to the ground and pound his face like chael did but better and Without Steroids



    GSP got the perfect style to beat anderson so it would be great



    BUT lets not forget he has to beat belfort first which considering his last fight it should be a good test for him to fight someone with some great stand up skills and some actual KNOCKOUT power

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  • falcon4917
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    I think AS would win this fight as I think he would be able to get back up like Alves was able to do a bit but i think AS would do much better and when he is up he will definetly outstrike GSP.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    I've always found this topic to be a bit puzzling... Why is there pressure put on a fighter to jump weight classes once he becomes a dominant champion? Thats basically saying, "Look you need to lose, so make it happen!" Of course when there is a great fight in the cards, such as the GSP-Silva match-up, then sure, but imo these type of "super fights" should always be at a catchweight and should not result in a permanent shift in divisions. If one of the fighters are unable to make the catchweight, then one should question whether this is a bout that even makes sense... I dunno, I guess what I am saying is that if a fighter is comfortable and dominant at a certain weight class, it should be the responsibility of the promotion to bring in new challengers.... Not up to the champion to forfeit his title in search of defeat.

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  • Lowkickdodger
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    I like your point, Catchweight is fair but i dont think anderson could drop further down, he would look too weak and this fight would not be competitive. Its easier for gsp to go up.



    And im pretty sure gsp thinks he can keep winning if he decides to go up. Gsp is a champion and a champion needs to challenge himself.

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  • falcon4917
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    I agree with your point. He is dominant and we can't blame him for that or tell him to fight AS or Vitor or Nate to prove his worth. I don't think he would dominate the MW division. I think he would be upper mid pack of that division and he is doing well for himself for now so keep it real for now. The fight could have happened already but it didn't and I think it was because Dana is sure AS would win. AS screwed up the superfight by putting on a performance that the fans didn't like so Dana did not want a hated fighter to beat a loved one. GSP was like oh sh*t! when he was watching maia vs AS in the first 3 rounds. They are saving GSP for a superfight that will be a win win situation.

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  • WingChun
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    @ JS



    Funny thing about the "move up" discussion for GSP, I personally think he'd beat Anderson; the blueprint has been laid by Henderson and Sonnen. He has all the cardio, wrestling and BJJ to deal with AS; he's also as smart as Anderson. I'd take Rush in that bout.



    With that said though, I think there are other fighters in the division that GSP would have a tough time with; Sonnen being the first on the list, Nate Marquardt being the second. There would be no guarantee that GSP would become or remain champ of 185.



    If I were GSP's management, I'd be looking at this strictly from a business point of view. Where are you better off as King of 170 or a prince @ 185? GSP wants to be a legend and he will be / is @ 170...@ 185? And how many losses could GSP's reputation take @ 185?



    ...the line goes - All Hail The King...not all hail the prince.

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  • rickjitsu
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    Thank God!...........Someone with some sense!!

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  • AskitsaS
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    i don't think that moving up will be a good think to do. i believe he should sty focused retaining his title because no one holds the champion's zone for ever!!

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  • japanegro23
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    I think if GSP wants the challenge, he should do it. I believe that he should only do it if HE wants to. If he moves up, I think he will do great there. His skill set is great in any weight class. He should still be one of the stronger guys in the MW division and as long as he keeps his speed, he will dominate there too. I'm ready to see it. If he moves that should put to rest who is the number 1 p4p fighter in the world.

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  • mrmanuelhung
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    here comes a load of weaks for me... but i honestly think the fight between GSP and AS will never happen. There will be a list of excuses from Ed Soares and the argument will go on for about a year then the whole thing will just up and vanish like a fart in the wind

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  • mmajunkie1
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    Sounds like something Fedor would do. I will sharp u

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  • Lowkickdodger
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    Like a fart in the wind lol sounds a song Elton john could sing.

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  • falcon4917
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    I think it will be hard for it to happen too. i don't think AS will have a problem doing it as he called out GSP in the first place and there was no answer.

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  • Michael Stephensen
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    It was a Kansas song actually

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  • movich
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    it's not looking for gsp to lose

    it's looking for a more intriguing matchup of equal talent. the best vs the best.



    however, it's one of those things.

    gsp has more to gain and a.silva more to lose.

    whoever wins/loses, you could argue it was due to size adv/disadvantage

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  • Azzer12
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    Only guys in the HW division can realistically make that excuse. Anyway people find excuses for everything, if not the weight advantage it would be somthing else. If you lose you lose.

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  • movich
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    exactly. don't take anything away from the winner by whining.



    i'm just saying idk how gsp's size and frame will stack up against say silva's or marquardts



    what if gsp is 195 going to 185 and fighting guys that are 215 cutting down, ya know?



    that's a valid point. gsp is a natural mw in my eyes, but in this sport/day & age, he's a natural ww.

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  • dray12
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    I'm not doubting GSP ability to perform at MW, but imo he does not have the frame for it. He definitely has the strength, and even the reach, but I'm curious as to what kind of effect moving up would have on other aspects of his game like explosiveness and speed and even cardio, cause to me he looks perfect as a WW fighter. I'd personally like to see some catch weight bouts for him if he really feels there are not enough challenges at WW. Crazy thing is he is only 29, and like someone already said above me, I don't see the Anderson Silva camp wanting this fight cause GSP is improving at an alarming rate and is in the prime of his career, Anderson just got dominated by a wrestler and by he time this fight would materialize Anderson would be 36-37 years old.



    Also, i see alot of people say that GSP HAS to move up in order to cement himself as the top p4p fighter, but i disagree. Anderson is tall, long, and lean, which makes it way easier for him to bounce around weight classes.

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  • MICKY!
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    I think gsp could beat anderson quite comfortably tbh,i think it would go something like the sonnen fight but he wouldn't be carless and get caught in a submission

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  • falcon4917
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    I don't think he could hold AS down and Chael is more likely to be able to do what he did to AS than GSP is. I say AS KO or TKO after getting up.

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    First - there are lots of fights for GSP @ 170, before we should even entertain that thought.



    Secondly - What is the Rush, here (no pun intended)? He's the #1 P4P fighter in the world, according to most and most of that is predicated on the fact that GSP is fighting at the right weight, maximum size and speed for his frame and in the appropriate division; biggest & fastest you can be, while being the lightest.



    It's seems, almost, as if The Champ is being penalized or criticized for being "too good" or "too dominant", for & of his division. Personally, I think he should remain at 170; period. And the question should become how many times can he defend it and how many years can he reign? And for the record, I'd say the same thing(s) about Anderson Silva.



    With that said, I'm all for "super fights". I'd have no problem with GSP going up to 185 to fight Silva or Sonnen or doing it at a catch-weight . However, "G" doesn't want to bounce up and down, so that probably won't happen (unless @ catch).



    Here's a reason to stay @ 170 - why not a super fight (in the future) with Jose Aldo? If Rush moves up that can't happen, but if he stays where he is - it could.



    Concluding - I am in no "Rush" to see "Rush" out of 170.

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  • Jamie Kennedy
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    @ Wing Chun AKA Wing Tzun



    I think Rush will eventually move up to middleweight, but yeah he still has unfinished business in the welterweight division, and a few fights I would like to see are (after he takes out the trash: Kos)



    GSP vs Carlos Condit

    GSP vs Diego Sanchez

    GSP vs Jake Shields

    GSP vs Fitch II



    and also now that BJ is at 170, providing he gets a few wins first, I would like to see BJ Penn vs GSP III - taking into account that I know Georges has everything to lose if it ever happens, im not saying it will but would still like to see it nonetheless



    Moving on to Middleweight



    Again if Georges goes up there's no going back and I think if he does it definitely will be permanent. Now obviously the fight that appeals to everyone is the GSP vs Anderson fight, which I think needs to happen soon otherwise it will never materialise, Silva is no spring chicken at this point in his career.... other than that there is an array of fights I would love to see Georges in at 185lb



    As you say Sonnen would prove a tough test, he won't fight Marquardt as they train together at Jackson's, Yushin Okami could provide an interesting bout with Georges. Vitor Belfort would be a dangerous opponent for him, Chris Leben the iron chin brawler could pull a Matt Serra.... the list goes on.....



    Concluding - I am also in no Rush for this to happen(I think it will eventually though) but for the sake of the super fight between Anderson & Georges it should happen sooner rather than later....



    P.S - forgot to mention Bisping ;)

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  • Shenanigans
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    First GSP needs to beat Koscheck. Then fight Sheilds because that is almost garenteed that GSP will TKO him, due to the fact GSP says he fights opponents in their weakest areas. Then I think the move should happen. Not really interested in a Fitch rematch, and I don't think Condit could beat him, so that gets rid of the other current contenders.

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  • griffin
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    if he beats koscheck and fitch in the rematch i will be satisfied. Screw shields, he wont be able to do anything to GSP

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  • Rindy
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    Vitor was washed out years ago a good fight then now below average GSP Rules!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • UrHype
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    Dont be shy to voice your opinion????

    This is LOWKICK Anton!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • TwA
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    gsp should have to beat shields before moving up and i don't think he can beat silva i think silva would catch him because gsp would be real nervous goin into a fight with silva like he was with hughes the first time.He talks alot about mental toughness and he would need it against silva but i just don't see him beating anderson

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  • TwA
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    and anyone who thinks gsp would destroy shields is crazy because gsp isn't knocking him out if hendo's punch didn't and shields ground game as far as bjj is the best in the ufc, when he rolled with fitch he made fitch look like an amateur and gsp didnt even do that .

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  • azzkika
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    Like Cain wasn't gonna knock Brock out cos Carwin couldnt? GSP will smash shields, Shields didnt even beat kampmann by my scoring and isnt worthy of a title shot, but at least . He is good at hugging and such but GSP is the p4p #1 by many peoples reckoning and Shields is nowhere near that level.ow he's getting one everyone will see how far from GSP's level Shields really is,

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  • DKMcGrath
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    I rather see him fight Maia then Silva,I think Maia's agressive jits would make an entetaining fight,maybe GSP would use his stand up for something besides setting up the takedown,GSP was more entertaining before he turned into a wrestler.

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