i agree. theyre giving too much credit to gsp striking. kos was the last one to get a (good) takedown on gsp, so we might see kos do a lay n pray on gsp.
on the feet i dont think gsp will win. and if he is successful, it wont save him from the double leg. if kos doesnt out grapple him, he will knock him senseless.
(i also have this theory that every champion will lose his belt this year. first machida, then penn. i think chael sonnen did enough to prove that he is no. 1, and i think we're gonna see cain ko brock. then obviously kos is gonna take the ww belt.) if that is not the case, then the 2 remaining champs will not win easily
GSP is the most dominant champion in the sport. You can never say he won't be beat, but he will never ever be dominated in a fight. Worst case scenario he gets caught (ko or sub) but then wins the immediate rematch. He is the best athlete in the sport by far and one of the best in the world regardless of the sport.
Kos will be the one trying to take it to the nground. are u kidding? GSP has much better striking in my opinion in terms of precision and speed, Kos does have power tho but id give it to GSP if it stays standing
i agree i think kos is just a wild striker with some ko power but i dont think he can catch gsp with that and gsp striking seems more crisp and dont forget we havent seen him fight since he was trining his hands with freddy roach so he might surprise us, and when it come to the ground game i think there is where it might be more evenly match but we'll have to wait and see
i hope st. pierre beats kos but pierre isnt a finisher anymore, all he will do is wrestle him down all 5 rounds show he the superior grappler and kos will prolly stopp running his mouth.
He is not a finisher all of the sudden? Its interesting to me when ppl say that. Just because his last two fights were against strikers? Why stand with guys who have zero ground game? Even so, he still tried to finish! Look at his last fight with Hardy! He was trying like hell to break his arm off! If it weren't for incorrect positioning that fight would have ended by submission...
You never no...kos might try and tell the ref that GSP knees him in the face while standin or pokes him in the eye or somethen to try and get GSP off him..Kos=Cryin baby!!!
very unlikely GSP can finish Koscheck...when is that last time he finished someone...serra...if anything this fight is going all 5 rounds unless Koscheck can finish by KO
BJ Penn couldn't hurt him on the ground...Thiago Alves couldn't touch GSP, on his feet. Those two fighters would be the best ground and stand-up fighters Rush has faced. Put their relative skill levels in a blender and compare them to Koscheck's...and this is what you get for JK's chances @ victory (IMO).
Remember though that neither of those fighters carry the pace of Koscheck and that is why GSP had a decent amount of trouble with Kos in their first fight. Koscheck is not very likable but he is definetly for real. This is not a normal feeding time for GSP, this meal will be hard worked for.
I agree with jack89 more so than wingchun in that I see GSP being dominant in this fight. But I do not at all see it as 0% chance on the ground and 10% standing for Kos. I see it maybe 25-30% chance for Kos on the ground and quite possibly 50-55% on the feet. Both these guys seem to excell in all areas but GSP for some reason with a striking background is a very good wrestler and Kos with a wrestling background is a very good striker. GSP will more than likely dominate the ground although not in the same way he does with others and Kos will probably have a slight edge on his feet as he has proved to be very fast and hard hitting and very good at mixing it up. It's like they both missed their respective callings when they started to train and are now getting revelation. I would say though that GSP's wrestling is more dominant than Koschecks slight edge in standup and this will be the factor. I am not saying GSP has bad standup either( I think he is good at stand up) but I feel Kos has found a new toy in his arsenal and he is doing quite well with it against all but the very best of seasoned strikers. GSP for the win and Kos for a loss but I sense it will be a tough win for GSP.
dont get me wrong, GSP is the better man no doubt and I wouldnt pick Kos if I made the bet with your money. It will be the same outcome as Edgar BJ 2, that being a worse beating in the second match.
Can't wait to see Koscheck's face when he tries to determine if GSP will stand him up or ground pound his ass again. Either way JK needs to be taught a lesson again.
the first fight wasnt anything but gsp taking him down the whole time he's gonna do that again and retain his belt(: no chance for a ko or sub by either guy.
We've all remember his recent history more than his distant history thats all. GSP says he always tries to finish and now the competition is too hard to finish or at least has been thus far in recent fights. Hopefully he can change that image by a few finishes soon.
he hasnt had a finish in his last two fights, big deal fitch hasnt finished antone in about 3 yrs FFS!!!
ppl seem to 4get he finished BJ b4 them 2 fights, fair enough BJ corner threw in the towel but still, BJ said he couldnt even remember the 3rd or 4th round
I see his last memorable finish being against serra which was 5 fights ago. Corner stoppages piss me off as most agree that BJ's corner is a waste of space. He has had 2 finishes in the last 7 fights and I don't think he'll finish koscheck as although he will beat kos he won't have a significant enough advantage to finish the fight. Lots of fighters who win their fights can't remember the fight so i don't think BJ's beating was the reason for that. If GSP doesn't finish Kos it will be creaping up on 3 years for a finish for GSP too. Fitch is getting long in the tooth for sure but his last fight he showed some decent standup against Alves which was interesting to watch. GSP barely tries that mode any more and it's not good if Fitch is pushing the action more than you.
haha this statement by GSP proves that Koscheck's been talking a lot of smack during TUF 12 - as expected. Can't wait to watch this season and especially teh fight.
I agree with Crippla 100%. BJ didn't come out for the 5th, so how isn't that a finish is beyond me. If Penn would have cme out in the 5th round, his career would have probably ended. If u go back and watch the fight, BJ's spirit was crushed standing in that corner after the 4th round. They kept asking him if he wanted to continue, and the look in his eyes was begging for his corner to throw in the towel. I don't blame that on his corner.
In his fight with Hardy, he about ripped his arm off 2 times, and 95% of ufc fighters would have tapped out to either one of the subs.
I don't understand how some people think that what GSP does is lay and pray? He is always improving his position, throwing elbows or punches, or he is trying to go for submissions. I haven't heard a ref tell him to work or they would stand the fight back up in I don't know how long. How do u define what he does as lay and pray? If u want to see someone lay and pray, go watch Kos vs. Daley or any of Jon Fitch's past few fights. Just because someone is fighting on the ground doesn't mean they are laying and praying. He tries to finish fights. End of story. If u dont believe me, go watch some of his past few fights that some of u claim he is laying and praying in and watch how much he tries to work to improve his position. The only time he isn't working is when he is getting instructions from his corner.
And I'll say this - in terms of ground fighting, GSP is the best ground fighter in the world (P4P). He is an outstanding wrestler, BJJ practitioner, is impossible to keep on his back or on the ground, has cardio to go and is brutally strong. Those six things are what you need to be dominant on the ground and GSP has them in spades. I will say this - no one beats GSP on the ground @ 170; certainly not Koscheck, who is the very definition of lay 'n pray; with the exception of his victory of Anthony Johnson.
...agreed, again. However, I hope he closes it on the ground, not standing. Kos has made a big deal about his wrestling and stand-up, I say....GSP should make an example of JK (a dominant wrestler) and take him down and kick the crap out of him. That's the show I want to see; GSP can show me his new stand-up in his next bout, but in this one, I want him to hand Koscheck his head - on the ground.
Both are improved since the last time they met, but GSP wins this standing or on the ground.
Kos will probably not make it to the 5th round as i expect GSP to finish him this time. Kinda like he finished Penn 2nd time, and Rua finished Machida 2nd time.
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cannot wait for this fight. Hopefully Koscheck can keep this fight on the feet and then things will get real interesting
lmao, Kos will get taken down faster than a fat girl at a big booty party.
i agree. theyre giving too much credit to gsp striking. kos was the last one to get a (good) takedown on gsp, so we might see kos do a lay n pray on gsp.
on the feet i dont think gsp will win. and if he is successful, it wont save him from the double leg. if kos doesnt out grapple him, he will knock him senseless.
(i also have this theory that every champion will lose his belt this year. first machida, then penn. i think chael sonnen did enough to prove that he is no. 1, and i think we're gonna see cain ko brock. then obviously kos is gonna take the ww belt.) if that is not the case, then the 2 remaining champs will not win easily
PLEASE!!!!!
Like GSP can't strike ,right?
Do you even watch fights for real!?
pretty wild imagination you've got there
GSP is the most dominant champion in the sport. You can never say he won't be beat, but he will never ever be dominated in a fight. Worst case scenario he gets caught (ko or sub) but then wins the immediate rematch. He is the best athlete in the sport by far and one of the best in the world regardless of the sport.
Kos will be the one trying to take it to the nground. are u kidding? GSP has much better striking in my opinion in terms of precision and speed, Kos does have power tho but id give it to GSP if it stays standing
i agree i think kos is just a wild striker with some ko power but i dont think he can catch gsp with that and gsp striking seems more crisp and dont forget we havent seen him fight since he was trining his hands with freddy roach so he might surprise us, and when it come to the ground game i think there is where it might be more evenly match but we'll have to wait and see
ground or standing ,st pierre will finish him
i hope st. pierre beats kos but pierre isnt a finisher anymore, all he will do is wrestle him down all 5 rounds show he the superior grappler and kos will prolly stopp running his mouth.
he plays it safe which as a champ u gotta be kinda defensive in that sense of lay and pray
He is not a finisher all of the sudden? Its interesting to me when ppl say that. Just because his last two fights were against strikers? Why stand with guys who have zero ground game? Even so, he still tried to finish! Look at his last fight with Hardy! He was trying like hell to break his arm off! If it weren't for incorrect positioning that fight would have ended by submission...
or Hardy's yoga practice.
The hardy fight was the only fight I saw him attempt a finish and that was probably because of pressure from fans
GSP all day long Kos doesnt have a chance
You never no...kos might try and tell the ref that GSP knees him in the face while standin or pokes him in the eye or somethen to try and get GSP off him..Kos=Cryin baby!!!
he's not the only one who wanna do that,:D
very unlikely GSP can finish Koscheck...when is that last time he finished someone...serra...if anything this fight is going all 5 rounds unless Koscheck can finish by KO
I would consider Penn not being able to come out of his corner a finish...IMO
Right, in his last six he has finished three... Its strategic and that is why he is the champ : )
Maybe that's more failure on Penn's part
BJ Penn couldn't hurt him on the ground...Thiago Alves couldn't touch GSP, on his feet. Those two fighters would be the best ground and stand-up fighters Rush has faced. Put their relative skill levels in a blender and compare them to Koscheck's...and this is what you get for JK's chances @ victory (IMO).
On the ground - 0%
Standing - 10%
Yea i see a Jon Fitch/GSP happening here, GSP will dominate the entire match but itll be by decsion...
Remember though that neither of those fighters carry the pace of Koscheck and that is why GSP had a decent amount of trouble with Kos in their first fight. Koscheck is not very likable but he is definetly for real. This is not a normal feeding time for GSP, this meal will be hard worked for.
PUHHLEASE!!!!!!
I agree with jack89 more so than wingchun in that I see GSP being dominant in this fight. But I do not at all see it as 0% chance on the ground and 10% standing for Kos. I see it maybe 25-30% chance for Kos on the ground and quite possibly 50-55% on the feet. Both these guys seem to excell in all areas but GSP for some reason with a striking background is a very good wrestler and Kos with a wrestling background is a very good striker. GSP will more than likely dominate the ground although not in the same way he does with others and Kos will probably have a slight edge on his feet as he has proved to be very fast and hard hitting and very good at mixing it up. It's like they both missed their respective callings when they started to train and are now getting revelation. I would say though that GSP's wrestling is more dominant than Koschecks slight edge in standup and this will be the factor. I am not saying GSP has bad standup either( I think he is good at stand up) but I feel Kos has found a new toy in his arsenal and he is doing quite well with it against all but the very best of seasoned strikers. GSP for the win and Kos for a loss but I sense it will be a tough win for GSP.
Lmao... GSP, he can't even trash talk, he tries, but it just doesnt have that intimidation factor in a French accent..."I yam gunna bit him up sevily"
I tweest ma nuggles un hes head" hahah
Kos will loose his american accent after his jaw gets demolished by GSP and he'll have worse than a french accent, trust me.
he doesnt need to trash talk, hes a champ not a chump.
Tell him that, I didnt say I was going to twist my knuckles on his head, yall go find someone else to vent on.....go join a gym or something lol
dont get me wrong, GSP is the better man no doubt and I wouldnt pick Kos if I made the bet with your money. It will be the same outcome as Edgar BJ 2, that being a worse beating in the second match.
and congrats with English being your second language.
Agree with ck420 100%
@ JPG23 (The Wise)
...always the voice of reason, JPG.
Can't wait to see Koscheck's face when he tries to determine if GSP will stand him up or ground pound his ass again. Either way JK needs to be taught a lesson again.
the first fight wasnt anything but gsp taking him down the whole time he's gonna do that again and retain his belt(: no chance for a ko or sub by either guy.
GSP by total domination, maybe a finish in the 3rd or 4th to silence all the haters!!!
LETS GO GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Havent seen a hater in this thread....
THANK YOU!
Someone with some sense...FINALLY!!
haters in general hype
saying he cant finish fights
r they retarded or something
have they not seen his fight history??????
We've all remember his recent history more than his distant history thats all. GSP says he always tries to finish and now the competition is too hard to finish or at least has been thus far in recent fights. Hopefully he can change that image by a few finishes soon.
not a big fan of gsp.. but i do respect wat he has done and is still doing..cant see koscheck wining dis fight..
he hasnt had a finish in his last two fights, big deal fitch hasnt finished antone in about 3 yrs FFS!!!
ppl seem to 4get he finished BJ b4 them 2 fights, fair enough BJ corner threw in the towel but still, BJ said he couldnt even remember the 3rd or 4th round
GSP f***ed him up
I see his last memorable finish being against serra which was 5 fights ago. Corner stoppages piss me off as most agree that BJ's corner is a waste of space. He has had 2 finishes in the last 7 fights and I don't think he'll finish koscheck as although he will beat kos he won't have a significant enough advantage to finish the fight. Lots of fighters who win their fights can't remember the fight so i don't think BJ's beating was the reason for that. If GSP doesn't finish Kos it will be creaping up on 3 years for a finish for GSP too. Fitch is getting long in the tooth for sure but his last fight he showed some decent standup against Alves which was interesting to watch. GSP barely tries that mode any more and it's not good if Fitch is pushing the action more than you.
Captain Falcon 4917 wing out.
he still finished BJ tho it was technically a knockout,
counts as a finish on his record,
it was scheduled as a 5round fight BJ only lasted 4,
if thats not a finish i dunno what is
haha this statement by GSP proves that Koscheck's been talking a lot of smack during TUF 12 - as expected. Can't wait to watch this season and especially teh fight.
GSP knows deep down he is not going to bang so I'm not sure why he would even say that.
GSP you neeeddd to finish this guy. silence all the haters.
He wants to give Kos a nuggie. He will lose his hand in that fro...
GSP is going to win this fight however he wants to
I agree with Crippla 100%. BJ didn't come out for the 5th, so how isn't that a finish is beyond me. If Penn would have cme out in the 5th round, his career would have probably ended. If u go back and watch the fight, BJ's spirit was crushed standing in that corner after the 4th round. They kept asking him if he wanted to continue, and the look in his eyes was begging for his corner to throw in the towel. I don't blame that on his corner.
In his fight with Hardy, he about ripped his arm off 2 times, and 95% of ufc fighters would have tapped out to either one of the subs.
I don't understand how some people think that what GSP does is lay and pray? He is always improving his position, throwing elbows or punches, or he is trying to go for submissions. I haven't heard a ref tell him to work or they would stand the fight back up in I don't know how long. How do u define what he does as lay and pray? If u want to see someone lay and pray, go watch Kos vs. Daley or any of Jon Fitch's past few fights. Just because someone is fighting on the ground doesn't mean they are laying and praying. He tries to finish fights. End of story. If u dont believe me, go watch some of his past few fights that some of u claim he is laying and praying in and watch how much he tries to work to improve his position. The only time he isn't working is when he is getting instructions from his corner.
@ GSPfan
...well, said. I agree 100%
And I'll say this - in terms of ground fighting, GSP is the best ground fighter in the world (P4P). He is an outstanding wrestler, BJJ practitioner, is impossible to keep on his back or on the ground, has cardio to go and is brutally strong. Those six things are what you need to be dominant on the ground and GSP has them in spades. I will say this - no one beats GSP on the ground @ 170; certainly not Koscheck, who is the very definition of lay 'n pray; with the exception of his victory of Anthony Johnson.
FTR, I hope he wires Kos' mouth shut. The guy is a douche and someone needs to shut him up. Hopefully it is GSP.
@ GSPfan
...agreed, again. However, I hope he closes it on the ground, not standing. Kos has made a big deal about his wrestling and stand-up, I say....GSP should make an example of JK (a dominant wrestler) and take him down and kick the crap out of him. That's the show I want to see; GSP can show me his new stand-up in his next bout, but in this one, I want him to hand Koscheck his head - on the ground.
It would be fitting; apropos, even.
Agree 100% !!!!!!!!!!!
Both are improved since the last time they met, but GSP wins this standing or on the ground.
Kos will probably not make it to the 5th round as i expect GSP to finish him this time. Kinda like he finished Penn 2nd time, and Rua finished Machida 2nd time.