Frank Mir's camp claim he is the man to knock out Brock Lesnar
Posted on July 8, 2010, 07:24 AM by Daniel CassidyWith Frank Mir's recent announcement of his plans to stay at Heavyweight to secure a rematch with current champ Brock Lesnar, a lot has changed for the former champ. A change in training camps recently could see a change in style for Mir, as he is now working with boxing legend Freddie Roache, who is currently Manny Pacquio's striking coach, Jimmy Glifford and Georges St. Pierre, a man who needs no introduction amongst Mixed Martial Arts circles.
This 4th of July, instead of celebrating, Mir spent his time watching Lesnar's win over Carwin, analyzing the fight. And despite weighing in at 264.5 and 265 in his last two fights, Glifford promises Mir will return to his natural weight of 240-245, speaking to the Las Vegas Sun, he said:
“Right now, he’s at 252 and his best fighting weight is between 240 and 245 pounds. He’s not going to stay at 265 to fight Brock again. Mir learned a lot over the last couple of fights, and I think the easiest thing to learn is you’re not going to move immovable objects. So we better find another way.”
He also Spoke about how all four memebers of "Team Mir" saw plenty of holes in Lesnar's game, and how they firmly beleive he will knockout the champ:
"We believe Mir is going to be the guy to knock out Brock Lesnar. Me, GSP, Freddie Roach — we all agreed Mir can do it. We see holes in his game we know we can expose. If you’re asking me who would Frank Mir want to fight right now, it’s Brock. He’d love to fight him. Realistically, that’s not going to happen so we want that Nog fight. Nog claims staph infection affected his chin in the last one. I don’t know how that happens, but I think if Mir gets a chance at Nogueira again, he’ll knock him out early and retire him.”
Glifford also spoke the intense animosity between Mir and Brock and added:
“I think he’s cooled down a little bit. It’s personal to an extent, but it’s more about business now. He wants to beat this guy. They don’t stand for the same things, that’s obvious, but I don’t know if it’s about good vs. evil. In Mir’s mind, it’s about martial arts vs. this big gorilla who really is just a big gorilla.”
Frank's next fight is anybody's guess currently, with the champ wrapped up with Valasquez, and Junior Dos Santos set to meet Roy Nelson next month, it doesn't leave many options outside of Noguiera, who is coming off a loss to Valasquez.
Source: Las Vegas Sun
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Training with Freedie Roach eh?.....thats interesting....and in result to that Mirs striking will bound to improve, and that makes him more dangerous.
i think id seen enough already. you have been knockout by carwin in the first round for god sake and now you say you can beat lesnar again. wow
Arlovski trained with Roach, and he got ktfo by fedor
yeah but arlovski also came closest to beating Fedor before Werdum
And ktfo by rogers and just lost a decision to big foot.
Roach is a boxing coach, and Arlovski was making the fight into a boxing match and winning until he threw that ridiculous flying knee- something that Roach would have certainly advised against. And Arlovski admitted after the fight that he went against his gameplan in doing so.
I believe Mir is an intelligent man, but what he needs to do is stay at 265 and believe it or not let brock take him down, sure he'll never be as strong as brock, but with added weight and strength he can use his bjj to reverse a tansition and/or lock in a submission faster and easier, otherwise its going to be the same result as their second fight.
Brock admitted to seeing stars after Mir caught him in their 2nd fight.
They are 1 - 1 so if Mir says he can beat Brock he has proof to back up that statement. But Brock can beat Mir also.
I think a rematch somewhere down the line is inevitable. It is one of the great grudge matches and they are 1 - 1.
I think Mir has looked a bit stiff in his last couple of fights, and needs to improve, but where's he's training now, I will surprised if he doesn't.
All this said, I did enjoy him getting pasted by Brock and hope Brock would paste him again as like Mir alot less than I like Brock.
I dont really get it. Striking is a thing but having the power to TKO is another. Carwin coudn't do it, How will mir do it at 240 and if he likes the idea of a 5 round battle victory, how will he escape Brock takedown?? He should work on his wrestling first.
Striking power is only partly due to size. Body mechanics and speed are also hugely important. Bruce Lee was only 130 lbs and hit like a HW because he had perfect coordination of his body from the feet up and incredible speed. Remember, E=SM. If Mir can work with Roach to improve his body mechanics (which are already pretty good) and his speed he can hit HARDER than Carwin who has decent mechanics but relies pretty heavily on size and muscle. The other thing to consider is that a lot more torque can be put into an opponent's head while standing than while on the ground. A lot of fighters have found bulking up to be a negative.
Wonder why people weaked that
I would like to see Frank get another crack at it ... if thats what he really wants!
Yeah I'll like to see Mir get "CrAcKeD" again and again.
He has no business at HW.
He's fought his entire career at HW. He's a big ass dude for real and cutting to LHW would just be unhealthy. Power vs Technique
He's never going to have a chance to beat Shane or Lesnar. Lesnar is never going to just hand him another toe-hold again.
Yeah, it's on Frank to figure out how to beat the bigger guys but that's what MMA is all about my friend.
I agree. But you could say the same thing if it was Betty White going to fight Brock Lesnar. It's on her to figure out how to win, that's what MMA is all about. Hidden chemical in her denture bond she can rub in to his eyes with her thumb when nobody is looking maybe.
IMO there are weight classes for a reason. Mir fighting Lesnar, is a waste of a fight for Mir and for Lesnar and for us.
You kinda went on a rant there didn't you guy, a little irrational and over the top. I stand by my first post.
mmmm moving back to 245? i love Mir but interesting to see how that will work, just coz he is 265 doesn't mean he has to shoot for takedowns, i think he might just get pancaked again by Lesnar unless he works explosiveness from his guard, he cant just rely on the KO, what happens if that doesn't work out for him? confusing situation
Brock has so many holes in his game is sicking to think he's the HW Champion. He won't be on top for much longer. The HW division has now seen how to beat Brock. Just don't let that ape of a man get on top of you. Thats it. Trade shots with him standing and defend the takedown.
Mir never used to weight train at 245 it wud be intresting to see if he keeps weighting training a lil bit this time round.. i think hes guna try to mimic anderson and use his striking to stop the takedowns and he defiently needs to be more explosive if brock does dump him which is most likely going to happen.. imo i think mir could KO brock coz his standup looked awful agenst carwin and he did not like gettin touched by carwin at all.. (who could blame him) and i think he looked quite scared agenst carwin and i hope he goes intot he velasquez fight thinking he is immortal coz i think cain will beat him for sum reason.. would make mir vs lesnar more likely
Mir must have brain damage from the last time he fought. I mean seriously I'm not a fan boy of Brock but the way he was able to take that punishment from Carwin is something that should be admired. If Brock can withstand that punishment from Carwin but Mir could not what will be different in this third installment of Frank Vs Brock?
If Shane Carwin couldn't even put Lesnar away I highly doubt that Mir could. His striking has improved drasticlly but he is still not at the level to say he will KO Lesnar. He has a LOT of work to do
I defenetly want to see another fight bettween them, they both have a victory over each other so a 3rd match, makes sense.
It will make sense if Mir starts to get wins again. Let him fight the winner of JDS vs Nelson and see if he can KO either of them, then talk about KOing BROCK.
That makes sense to me. He lost 2 times in a row didnt he?
Well he needs to work his way up through a few guys before he fights Brock again, unless Cain beats Brock then and Brock loses the fight after that.
His striking was already much better than lesnar's....lesnar didn't want to stand with him in the last fight...its his wrestling in takedown defence and getting back up to his feet that needs work..
Agreed 100%. Mir is light years ahead of Lesner in all aspects but one... WRESTLING. He should be working with top tier collegiate HW wrestlers every day. Unless he does that I don't see him winning. IF he does that I don't think Lesner has a prayer.
I like Frank but he lost pretty decisively to both Brock and Carwin, so it looks like he's a few fights away from title contention at heavyweight. Having said that, Brock vs Frank III would draw big as the grudge rubber match. If Frank can put together a couple of wins (against, say, Big Nog and the loser of JDS/Nelson) then it will probably happen.
I'm glad Frank has something to keep him motivated. Everyone talks about how Shane couldn't knock Brock out but if Frank can somehow keep the fight going into the later rounds its possible. That chin isn't as hard when you're tired.
Mir's problem is he has no heart or will to win. If the fights going ok for him he's fine, as soon as he's pressured he wilts.
I'm pretty confident Mir Vs. Lesnar 3 will end similar to the second fight.
couldnt agree more. He gives up, just like he did against carwin. sure that guy hits hard but he wasnt out and carwin didnt have full control of him but he just lay flat out on the canvas and said hit me. Mir can work with roach all he wants but it wont make him a great striker in that short time. I see brock getting him down and pounding his face in-again. Thats coming from someone who doesnt rate brock!
WTF! You really think he was playing possum against Carwin?!?! Idiot.
no you ****, watch the fight at the point he lays flat on his stomach. he is NOT out and carwin does NOT have control of him but he gives up. yeah ok ensoe. look for someone in the ufc with no heart- go watch nate quarry vs kalib starnes. prime example.That guy was running away cos he didnt want to exchange punches, and the crowd were booing. That guy has no heart. Just like mir.
your a for sure keyboard warrior nerd if u think anyone in the ufc doesnt have heart especially a former champ.
There's a mean guy in there somewhere. I never saw him move as fast as he did in that second fight when he had that short outburst against Lesnar and punched and knee'd him in the head , rocked him ,only to get taken down.
Mir will be on his back so fast.... besides I don't think he can hit hard enough to KO Brock.... sick of MUUUUUR
some bold statement right there,but frank is gonna need a truck to k.o that man "flush"
"They don’t stand for the same things" That angle is getting so tired... He is right tho, Brock stands for winning, whereas Mir stands for getting knocked out and losing. Yea, Lesnar has holes is in game, blah blah blah, thats not a secret, but no one has been able to capitalize on them thus far and Mir is just not the man to do it. I can respect a man not wanting to take his eye of the prize and keep gunning for the top spot, but that is not what Mir is doing. Instead, he is gunning for Lesnar. If Mir was even able to regain contendership, by then there is no way to know for sure Brock will still be champ.... Its just purely obsessive! He cannot take the fact that a guy just strolled into mma, something he has trained his entire life, and just manhandled him.
here is a nail and you've just hit hit it on the head.
In otherwords, he's butthurt
they are 1 - 1. have to say either have a 50 / 50 chance.
i guess anything i post will get weaked regardless of its content.
I think Mr. Mir is still just a little too obsessed with fighting Lesnar again, and he should be focusing on who his next real opponent might be. If and when they meet again, then Mir can show us all how he plans to knock him out.
I won't count mir out, but I also won't be betting on him...
I honestly don't see how he can do it unless brock makes a mistake on the ground from his lack of experience. He is going back to his natural weight and the longer he waits the more experience brock gains :S
One thing he is doing right though is hooking up with Freddie Roach. Dude is a beast in teaching people how to box.
I'm a little tired of hearing about how Mir is changing his training... I need to have great cardio so I can beat Lesnar- he gets TKO'd by Lesnar... I need to be stronger to compete with Lesnar and Carwin... He gets KO'd by Carwin... If anyone is going to KO Lesnar, they're going to need to keep the fight standing and get multiple knockdowns. Nobody, (except maybe Brock) has ground and pound anywhere near as powerful as Carwin and he couldn't pound him out. If he let him stand again and caught him with a couple more of those hooks- maybe a different story. I don't think Mir has the athletic ability to defend multiple Lesnar takedown attempts and he already hit Lesnar with some solid knees to the head in the last fight- with no perceptible effect. If anyone is the man to KO Lesnar, it's going to be JDS- by far the best striker in the heavyweight division, and just maybe quick enough to keep the fight standing.
Lmao that's what i love about frank mir, he's absolutely retarted. If getting absolutely destroyed by shane carwin makes him think he's a better striker, it just backs up all my mildly retarted suspicions before. Nog lost because he couldnt eat a week up to the event including the night of due to a bad case of hnamonia? however you spell it. He had no energy to fight but had to because of his contract. Mir is retarted and i will look forward to him getting knocked out by nog, stupid jewfro mother fuker. As for the brock thing, Shane Carwin was the only one who had a chance at knocking out brock... and although he was close, he didnt finish. Mir would get dummied for the 100th time.
Mir....I respect your skills but you have a handful of guys ahead of you in line that deserve a title shot. Plus you'll change your mind again about weight and fighting this guy and that guy. No focus.