Frank Mir stakes his claim as best HW submission fighter in the UFC

i wanna see mir vs werdum that would be for best hw sumbmission fighter

Why? Hes not in the UFC

So because he isn't in the UFC that means it wouldn't be a good fight?

It would be hard to refute Mir's argument. He has subbed some really tough fighters- and subbing Nog was a huge feather in his cap. I'm not sure if there would be any other HW in the UFC with his subbing credentials. Even more impressive is the fact that he came back after his motorcycle accident after being told that an athletic career was no longer in the cards.

I agree, been sayin it, but the off button mounted on his chin seems to be the issue.

If you look strictly at UFC careers in the HW Division then yes I'd agree that Frank Mir is thee best submission fighter in the UFC...

Sub Wins:

Armbar on Roberto Traven

Inside shoulder lock on Pete Williams

Toe hold on Tank Abbott

Armbar on Tim Sylvia

Kimura on Antoni Hardonk

Kneebar on Brock Lesnar

Guilotine on Cheick Kongo

Kimura on Big Nog

that shoulder lock on Pete Williams was nasty.

Yeah, I remember watching that shoulder lock and feeling the pain in MY OWN shoulder, lol. The beautiful part of the toe hold on Tank was how he combined it with an oma plata to hold him in place! His striking has become a force to reckon with too! He dominated Congo and Crocop standing, and TKO'd Nog. Very impressive!

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"Of course there are fighters who’ve done a lot more than I have in SUBMISSION-ONLY fights, but purely IN the UFC, I think I am right up there, yes.” - Mir

Okay awesome so what does this mean now?? He's not getting the belt back. He cant beat Brock, he won't beat Cain and he certainly wont beat JDS. I like Mir and he's still good for some intriguing matchups with guys like Congo, Mitrione and Carwin but he won't contend for the title again.

And how is this relevant to the current topic how ?

That sub will go down in history with most hardcore fans, that round was MMA at it's finest. As much as the UFC like to make everything about the title there are some fights you just enjoy regardless of the implications moving forward

he can beat Cain

and he beat Brock already, WTF are you on??

I say that UFC gives him Werdum next.

i think after that fight with Nogueira, he could make that claim.

Werdum and Barnett are other names i can think of in the HW division that are top in submission skills

Mir vs. Barnett is a sick matchup.

Agreed, would love to see Mir fight either of those two. Although I feel Werdum would be the only competitive fight of the two because I don't see Mir letting it hit the ground against Barnett and just lighting him up on the feet.

best HW submission fighter or not, Mir neverever will be a champ...

yeh man u forgot about him beating silvia to become the champ, june 19th 2004 lol

Pretty sure he has the record for most times someones been KO'd in the UFC. :)

Mir only has 5 losses in his whole career, there are guys who have been ko'd that much in ufc alone.

pretty sure you're wrong

Well I think for those of us that understand a bit more about bjj then just that it says "win by submission" realize that Mir used what is called a "strong man move" to submit Big Nog, meaning its not a skill based technique but just brute strength.

Chocolat.. Overeem alone has been stopped 6 times.

Krogan.. "Well I think for those of us that understand a bit more about bjj"

that statement clearly doesn't include you.. The way Mir executed that kimura was beautiful especially when he hit the sweep with it. Plenty of technique with his weight distribution and positioning.Nog defended and Mir adjusted. You dont know what your talking about you silly bitch.

There was more technique in his kimura sweep than many BJJ fighters display in their entire careers. Keeping the momentum going on Nog's escape to reverse it and maintain the sub was also technique based. It wasn't a strongman maneuver, but Frank Mir is a strong man. Why choose between technique and strength when you can have both?

Dammit Nog you had this guy out on his feet!

Hate to say it but YES...I beleive he earned that spot indeed.

WORD!

my first comment was ment for warheadchief not chocolat.. my bad

actually you meant Krogan by the look of the replies

me thinks mir shouldnt stand toe to toe with anyone, he should just get the damn fight to the ground.

Tell that to Cro Cop.

@mindkintrolle He beat Brock when Brock had no clue what he was doing on the ground. And he was in big trouble in that fight. Then Brock absolutely dominated him in the second fight. The third fight won't be close.

First fight: Frank Mir exploited a huge skill deficit.

Second fight: Brock exploited a huge physical deficit.



In those two fights,both of them exposed large holes in the other's game and both of them have taken steps to fix them. Brock's taken BJJ to give him more technique and submission defense on the ground, Mir started working out.



However, I'd have to give the edge to Frank Mir. Brock's standup is nowhere near as technical as Frank, and he hates getting hit in the face. Tagging Lesnar in the nose is as good as a knockout, it just makes you feel more dirty when you pound on a man in the fetal position. On the ground, Lesnar can't immobilize Mir anymore, which means he has to deal with his BJJ, something he wants NO PART of.



So Brock is left with the options of swinging and hoping he knocks Mir out, or attempting to Couture his way to a decision. Unless Lesnar has improved his skill set a lot since his last fight, I don't think he'll win.

Franks starting to turn that weight he gained into muscle, we'll see what happens next.

Well, he's got 'biggest douchebag" all locked up, so why not go for best submission fighter.

If you think he's the biggest douchebag at Heavyweight, you've never heard of Gilbert Yvel.

or the Diaz Bros; Junie Browning, King Mo, or anything related to bleacherreport.com