Five Reasons GSP is the Greatest Welterweight of All Time
Posted on December 1, 2010, 08:53 AM by Daniel CassidyIn ten days time, Georges St. Pierre steps into the cage against opposing Ultimate Fighter coach Josh Koscheck, with his Welterweight strap the prize. The man LowKick users currently have ranked as the Number 1 Pound for Pound fighter in the world will look to extend his current win streak to 8 straight wins, a career record for "Rush". Despite only being ages just 29. While already people mention GSP's name among legends such as Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture or Royce Gracie, I'd like to go one step further and declare St. Pierre the Greatest Mixed Martial Artist of all time, and present 5 reasons just why he is the best fighter to ever step into a fight.
1. Skills
As far as skill sets go, there are few as well rounded or as technically skilled as GSP. Despite many misconceptions due to the quality of his wrestling game, GSP only started wrestling AFTER he left college, something that surely makes one of the most feared double leg takedowns in the business even more impressive. His wrestling is so good, he has his sights set on a future spot on the Canadian Olympic Wrestling team. As well as this, he received his Black Belt in Jiu Jitsu in 2008, under Bruno Fernandes. Despite already proving himself to be a feared opponent, he also trains with Muay Thai legend Phil Nurse and Boxing phenom Freddie Roach, all the while basing himself under Greg Jackson's expert tutelage in New Mexico, surrounded by exceptional training partners, as his skills look set to evolve even further.
2. The level of opponents he has defeated
To really bring this point home, it's worth looking through the list of opponents GSP has gotten the better of inside the cage. Karo Parysian, Jay Heiron, Jason Miller, Sean Sherk, BJ Penn (x2), Matt Hughes (x2), Matt Serra, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves, Dan Hardy and already Josh Koscheck. It reads like a who's who's list of the top Welterweights. Perhaps however the most impressive thing about each win is how totally ordinary he made each fighter look during their encounter. Whether it was taking wrestling standouts Matt Hughes or Jon Fitch at will, or totally outstriking feared Knockout artist Thiago Alves, quite simply GSP dominates anyone he gets put in the cage against.
3. Return from defeat against Matt Serra
Currently holding a seriously impressive record of 20-2, GSP has tasted defeat just twice in his career, once early in his career to Hall of Famer Matt Hughes, and again in the complete shock upset against Matt Serra. The first fight against Hughes marked only GSP's 8th pro fight. The future champ was just 23 years old when he gave Hughes a serious run for his money, before succumbing to an arm bar with just a second left in the round. After his first career loss, he came back to win his next 6 fights before getting his rematch against Hughes, this time taking the belt from him. After he won the title, his bout against Serra followed. GSP admits he underestimated the New Yorker, who caught him with a fluke right hand felt the world over. As well as this, GSP later cited the death of a close cousin, as well as the serious illness of his father as a major distraction ahead of the fight. Immediately after the fight, he changed his training team, joining Greg Jackson. He would go on to win his next 7, with an eye on making it 8 in his next fight.
4. Personallity
It's much easier to start this off with a quote from the man himself:
"I am not a fighter, I am a Mixed Martial Artist"
Perhaps his best know quote, GSP is always known for his attitude and the respect he shows to all opponents. While some fighters may be known for getting into trouble outside of the cage, never once has any negative story about Rush broken to the press. The man exemplifies cool, seeming to only alternate between his training gear and his Armani suits. Not only this, but given how ell he carries himself in public, the guy is a role model for anyone. He is the perfect "poster boy" for the UFC, compared to guys like Brock Lesnar or Anderson Silva.
5. Dedication to the Sport
GSP is the very image of what a Mixed Martial Artist should be, and is a clear ambassador for the sport. Currently, GSP is the face of such huge brands like Gatorade, Under Armour and SportsCenter, taking MMA places it was previously unable to go. As a true ambassador to the sport, he represents MMA where ever he goes, showing his passion and dedication for the sport, as he helps it grow. Even most recently, GSP visited the Phillipines as a spokesman for the UFC, gving the company publicity they could only have previously dreamed of.
So when GSP and Koscheck finally do meet on December 11th, rest assured, this wont be a repeat of the Matt Hughes or Matt Serra fight, this will be a repeat of every other Georges St. Pierre fight, where he outclasses his opponent in every aspect of the game, proving once again that he is the #1 Pound for Pound fighter in the world.

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GSP is a great fighter with good manor personality .imo
Greatest of all time would be either Fedor, A Silva or GSP....Only reason I would say its GSP is because hes been looking so dominant and never is in trouble when it comes to fighting while Fedor and A Silva in there prime have been in trouble and have come close to losing
Dude I'm going to give you a weak vote because...
"I am not a fighter, I am a Mixed Martial Artist" -GSP
Part of that is because GSP fights guys that aren't even good like Dan Hardy, who is just UFC hype. Hardy's best win is a split decision over Gono and for a "feared striker" he never puts anyone away. Fedor and Shogun are both better than GSP, but GSP is good, just boring to watch a lot of the time because he plays it safe. I used to be a big fan until the Serra KO when he traded in MMA for wrestling.
GSP is wonderful ... buts lets be honest, he's not even the greatest of ALL TIME at 170. Matt Hughes takes that easily, look at his title defences and opponents.
As for the way he fights, GSP is smothering but not a famous finisher. In fact he has zero clean KOs on his record (he does have TKOs). Even hughes has a few ...
GSP also has the perfect body for 170 - he is HUGE for the division. It amazes me that Dana White says GSP is too small for 185, that's total BS. Re-watch KOS vs GSP Joe Rogan even comments on the size difference ... noting GSP as big for 170.
GSP is the "Greatest of all time: in the media before a fight he's in" but not in reality.
My post (above) may not be popular, but it is the truth ...
People don't like truth or facts, they like dana white's nuts in their face.
as for GSP being "a true ambassador to the sport" ... umm, watch the link below ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvk5kp7sRHw
Yeah, they were pouring the grease all over him. Wake the fook up.
Every fighter gets Vaseline rubbed all over him. Normally the commissioner wipes any excess away. It's a tactic to try keep or get as much on to the face as possible to avoid cuts etc.
Lots of other fighters are get their shoulders massaged by greasy hands & their chest rubbed as part of calming techniques.
You are falling off that train you jumped on because you're gullible.
I love it. Watch the video over & over all you want. He's not doing anything other fighters don't do.
BJ is a sore loser & the biggest waste of talent MMA has ever seen. He needs to man the fook up! You do too.
Dear "barochoc,"
I'm guessing you've never competed in MMA ... if you did you would know that it makes a HUGE difference in traction in the guard and in the clinch. You would also know (even if you fought a single round KB or boxing) that you CAN'T wipe grease off. It stays in the pours and needs to be removed with soap. It ends up on gloves and pads and need to be washed all the time.
I'll also point out that the UFC had to change the rules regarding grease after BJ vs GSP 2 ... if it didn't matter, why did they change the rules? Because BJ's a cry baby? Or because somebody bent the rules to their advantage.
How can you argue with Matt Hughes, Jason Miller, Sean Sherk, BJ Penn they all say GSP greases.
GSP is not the peoples champ and never will be.
Hahahahahhaha!
You are funny "kinosis79."
Dude if people don't want to be taken down all day they should stop the takedown from happening. Why shouldnt he utilize his wrestling? Yeah he hasnt finished a fight on a while but he's outclassed all his opponents
That's not the point. GSP used to fight to finish fights, now he "fights" to win decisions. I have no desire to watch that.
He's finished 3 out of 7 of his fights since losing to serra, and finished plenty before that. He didn't finish Jon Fitch, who is virtually unfinishable, he didn't finish koschek, but that was his first fight back, a 3 rounder, and he beat kos at his own game, he didn't finish alves, who he should have finished but and he might of if he didn't **** up his groin in round 3, and then hardy who he should have finished, any1else would have tapped.
Then don't watch. Nobody gives a sh*t about you anyway and obviously you are clueless.
Then don't watch? I mean it can't get simpler than that, I DON'T watch some guys fight that I do actually want to see, so it can't be that hard to miss a fight (or skip over a blog for that matter) if you don't care.
Apparently you care enough to get mad and have to respond. ;)
Entertaining the fans is #1. W. Silva still has a job because of that reason.
@ CageRage
Cage...you always sum it up so well and so succinctly.
please lets not compare the level of competition GSP faces with Fedor, Hardy is way better n a more established fighter than Rogers and Hong-Man Choi, GSP has fought the best in the world consistently like Penn, Hughes, Fitch, Serra, Alves etc
hardy hasn't done anything. Just because the UFC says he is good and top 10 doesn't mean he is. Go look at his record and tell me why he is so great.
we are talking all time though not current. Fedor has amassed wins over way more devestating and dominant fighters over the years please don't be blind to that. I gave Fedor the hardest time for a long time on this site because people thought he was undefeatable but I do not argue his all time stats.
Ninja, Cro Cop in prime, Nog in prime, Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Sylvia. Zuluzihno was 14-0 until fedor smashed his overgrown head in. Rogers was 10-0. fedor may have some not so great names on his resume, but overall it compares pretty well against anyone.
Right now I think fedor is the GOAT, though GSP is one of a few who have the potential to surpass his achievements, and is very close to Fedor whoever you think is the better of the two as there's not much to differentiate between them.
It has been mentioned about finishing, well Fedor is a fighter that always looks to finish if he can. GSP I believe tries to finish fights also, but takes less risk in doing so making it harder for himself. Silva doesn't always try to finish, and his resume isn't that outstanding IMO. Aldo or Edgar or Jon Jones or Cain or GSP could all end their careers as the perceived GOAT, with the way some fighters are emerging today with extremely well rounded skill sets I believe none of the names mentioned will be the GOAT by the time I'm a pensioner - the best is yet to come.
I agree hes not as good as the UFC makes him but hes still better and more accomplished then Rogers and Hong-Man Choi, GSP faces the toughest competitors imo
Nope, Rogers beat Arlovski who was ranked in the top 2-3 at the time in 20 seconds. That alone is better than everything Hardy has ever done.
2-3? even after Fedor KO'd him? idk about that, just look at GSP last five opponents, Hardy, Alves, Penn, Fitch and Serra compared that to Werdum, Rogers, Arolvski, Sylvia and Hong-Man Choi for Fedor and Sonnen, Maia, Griffin, Leites and Cote for Silva....GSP has faced way tougher competiion n looked unstoppable taking basically zero damage while Fedor lost to werdum looked ok against Rogers and was getting out struck by Arolvski until he went for that flying knee for some reason and Silva got dominated by Sonnen and his performances against Maia n Leites were some of the worst of his career
lol and we're supposed to take your opinion as educated but you're exaggerating the time it took for the fight to end. Biased much?
I agree with you on Silva, I think he is overrated and isn't the MMA fighter that GSP or Fedor is. That said, Hardy is nothing, Penn is a blown up lightweight, Serra is irrelevant except for the fact he KO'd GSP. Fitch and Alves were good fighters though and he beat him.
Fedor wasn't getting out struck by Arlovski either. Nothing even landed hardly except that push kick. And the fight only lasted 3 MINUTES! Give me a break. Arlovski and Freddie Roach can say what they want but I even saw a video before hand where they mentioned Arlovski doing flying knees, and he had done them before, it was part of their plan. It's not that a flying knee is so bad, it's just who the heck can pick a guy out of the air and KO him flat like Fedor did to him?
Both Fedor and GSP are well rounded. The difference is Fedor finishes fights and GSP is so afraid of getting KO'd again he just wrestles people to a decision. I'm not saying he isn't skilled, he is just boring and isn't a real fighter anymore.
Ok, hardy and serra aren't that good, and everyone knows that so why are you hyping them up? Penn stepped up in weight and is too small for that division, despite that, GSP refused to stand with any of them after he got put down by serra.
They are saying sonnen was roided up and fighting silva while he had a rib injury and wanted to go to the ground, despite that he took a beating for 25 minutes and then pulled out a jordan without even bleeding. He made a joke out of maia and leites, to the point where people like you no longer want to take them seriously as fighters,although they are FAR more impressive than either serra or hardy will ever be.
Griffin is one weight class above silva, and was champion of the MOST competitive division in MMA just the fight before, and silva still made him look like a joke. Cote is really the only person you have an argument for there, and even then you'd have to ignore silvas travels up and down multiple divisions while GSP stays solid at only one.
You need to watch the proper Arlovski v Fedor Fight. You must have been watching an EA Sports game or something. Fedor was being outstruck, he held Arlovski on the ropes for a minute. When they were split Arlovski was picking away at Fedor who only got lucky when Arlovski went in for the kill. Fedor is still a legend but don't talk crap!
Yeah, I saw how busted up Fedor was after that 3 minute fight from all the shots he took....oh wait.
Yup, you are clueless allright.
You say that as if St-Pierre can do anything about who the UFC decides is a worthy opponent. Remember the fight that was supposed to take place for contendership in the first place was canceled due to an injury, and for someone who thinks St-Pierre hasn't fought elite opponents, it's funny that you only mentioned ONE person.
I'm just stating reality, get dana **** out of your mouth and you might be able to see it also.
EA Sports Games is your reality. To say GSP is not a real fighter is lame. He doesn't address himself as a fighter anyway but a Mixed Martial Artist. What you're saying is that GSP should walk out into a barrage of haymakers, hooks, uppercuts etc to prove he's a real fighter!!!!!!
If you practice MMA I'm pretty sure I can imagine how messed up your face is & I reckon the slurred speech is being well disguised behind that keyboard. Now run back to your XBox or PS3 & watch some real fighters. Good boy!
Are you retarded? Yes of course you are because I never said anything like that. Trying to finish fights doesn't mean being a reckless brawler. You are an idiot.
Kinosis 79 hit the spot. Don't know why you guys hating on him hitting some much weak on his responds. If you follow the sport for awhile he's telling the truth lol. GSP lost his touch after getting KTFO by Serra, playing a safe by out wrestling everyone. He got all the skills, tools, and potential to become the all the time. But he claims he's a martial artist and not a fighter. Its a nice way of saying... I'm playing safe and don't wanna get knocked out. Come on George fight like you used to. If you guys don't believe it, watch his old fights compare to his new ones. FYI I hope BJ Penn will knock out him out one day cause hes a true fighter with lots of heart and great skills. Go BJ!
Sorry for the bad grammar forgot to proof read it lol
I really think that Fedor has a better set of skills, but he is no longer on his prime on the other hand, GSP knows how to make the fight go where he is at his best and the other fighter is weak or at least not as good as he is, GSP can stand up and beat you or take you down and kick the living hell out of you, but he always choses to go where he has the advantage and the ability to do it, is what makes him so great.
No Fedor doesn't flow as well GSP does. GSP has taken down amazing wrestlers in MMA and Fedor still remains pretty untested against a high-caliber wrestler.
What are the wrestlers going to do when they take him down. Get submitted? Wrestlers are overated only only have a good win percentage because the rules have been altered to favor them in the US. You don'y see wrestlers dominating DREAM or Sengoku or Brazil, or contential europe.
What are you talking about? Fedor has beat higher level wrestlers than GSP.
Well Mark Coleman was a decorated international wrestler while Kevin Randleman was a 2 time NCAA division 1 champion, so he has faced great wrestlers. Now my point was the difference between Fedor and GSP, on one hand Fedor can go to whatever the fight takes place and win, I mean, if it goes to the ground no matter if he is on top or bottom he will TKO, or sub amost anyone, instead GSP will chose where he wants the fight to take place, they are great, I love both of them, And Daniel brings some very valid points here in the article, I was pointing out the difference betwen them, I think so far Fedor is he greatest of all time but GSP is a close second, maybe time will make him be the best ever.
Thats right Coleman was the best MMA/ wrestler of his generation. I dont know what herrings wrestling credientials were but he got his face dismantled by Fedor. And at that time Herring was finishing top wrestlers like Kerr and Erikson, and ecan tanner.
@kinosis
Lol it's pretty easy to throw a statement out there and not back it up
@Jamz
Coleman was a good wrestler but he was always a guy susceptible to submission I'm talking about facing a true MMA guy with a wrestling background not a one-dimensional (kind of feel mean for saying this last part) old man
It's just a fact, Coleman is a vastly better wrestler than anyone GSP has faced. Look up his wrestling creds and compare them to anyone GSP has fought. You may not like it, but it's the truth.
You fail to see the point.
Coleman was a Wrestler.
That's it....
Get it?
@jizzle11 before you try to act like you know what you are talking about, try looking up his wrestling creds, then you will see how stupid your statement is.
@jizzle11 also, in you response to Jamz, again, what are you talking about? Coleman has only been submitted a handful of times. Fedor x2 and Big Nog, Then he had that fight everyone knows was a work and recently was submitted by Couture but he is washed up now.
Yeah COleman has good wrestling credentials but that's ALL he did. Wrestle his opponents down. Like I said earlier, I was talking about a true MMA guy with a wrestling background.
It's not a "fact" that he's better than any wrestler GSP has ever faced specially when you get into MMA, MMA wrestling is different. It was a big belief that Brock was going to completely outwrestle Cain but he couldn't hold him down and infact got taken down.
And yeah uhh if you watch his fights he is susceptible to submissions (not saying he lost all his fights by sub. but he leaves himself open) and you're forgetting his loss to Takada for another submission loss
I mentioned that one, when I said the fight everyone knows is a work.
He's also a Pimp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIa5hr4QZOc
Yeah final reason is because this guys sees more pussies than a toilet sink. Georges st pimp.
Gsp is among the few guys on this planet who can walk around wearing a purple hat and still get booty on a snap of his fingers :-ppp
P.S. Anyone else thinks he makes a good pair with Arianny?
P.S.2 I know... my manhood hit rock bottom with this post...
I never thought GSP was greatest of all time but definetly one of the greatest right now. I like AS more than Fedor but be honest nobody has faced what Fedor has faced in his lifetime and had anywhere near a perfect record. Fedor for all time and GSP, AS, Dominick Cruz, Aldo etc are current best fighters with Fedor possibly still being in the loop but I am not sure. GSP has a long way to go before he has ranked himself as best of all time.
This was probably the most intelligent comment on this entire thread!
I don't think Fedor is currently the p4p best currently, but there is no denying that he has achieved more than any other fighter in MMA history. I do feel GSP is the p4p best in MMA currently (just my opinion)... but he has a long way to go before being considered the best of all time.
GSP is great. Now it's time to take his career to another notch & move up in weight class.
I agree, you have to move up and make a statement before you can be considered the top guy as Anderson did at UFC 101
the only problem with that is that GSP has stated that if and when he moves up, he will never move back down in weight. so he doesn't wanna rush it and move up before it's time. he believes when you go up and down in weight classes, that it affects your timing and throws it off. he was using Roy Jones as an example. But GSP has also said if he moved up, and if doing so and winning made him believe he was really the best in the world, that he would quit fighting after that. Having no goals left to achieve. Who knows if he'd really retire if he beat Silva. But I do hope he stays at 170 for at least a few more fights, because there are still some big fights before it'll be proven that there's nothing left for him at 170.
Aside from Shields, i don't see any other big fights at 170.
Definitely one of the greatest of all time, but NOT the greatest of all time.
I want to see him fight better compition. close to 60% of his UFC fights are against 4 people which makes you 2nd point wrong. If he beats shields, diaz, and some of the top WW in Japan then you can say what you said.
To face those same people a few time, is better than to face them once and then fight a bunch of cans inbetween.
Sometimes styles make fights though in many cases and that is why we see champs being dethroned by guys that have been beaten repeatedly by fighters the champ has dominated.
if GSP beats Koshcheck and then Shields i think he'll move up to 185 to face off against silva
I want to see how he handles paulo thiago but it will probably never happen.
The Canadian Olympic wrestlng team actually asked him to try out. It is believed he is the best Canadian Wrestler at his weight. Tho im sure there a handful of wrestler whom would like to contest that.
GSP got nothing on Shields.Shields will destroy him easy.Koshchek is nobody Hardy is nobody and GSP was KO.d befor.GSP is just another UFC hype fiting nobodies
I forget who said this before on Lowkick. But Shields is like a poor man's GSP. haha, he's good, but he's got nothing to threaten GSP with. Never even really had Kampman in danger, and the 2 fights before were impressive to some people, since they got him in the UFC. But a lot of ppl, including me, think he's one of the most boring fighters out there. Anyone that thinks GSP lays n prays, would go to sleep watching Shields. He's just a blanket. But also, Mayhem had him in a rear naked, in round 5, and Shields was saved by the bell. And Shields was no where close to finishing Henderson, or Kampman. Kampman could maybe go the distance with GSP too, but if so I doubt he'd be getting up very much. Either way, Shields is a disappointment. Like Mayhem said before on the radio, "I feel bad for him, like i wonder how it must feel to get Boo'd after every win." But whatever, Shields may be able to grind out decisions over most of the 170's if he can get them on the ground. But he is no threat to GSP. And I don't even think GSP is the best in the world. In some ways maybe, great at following his game plans and being a smart fighter. But skillwise I say Jose Aldo. Has amazing strikes and jitz. But also no one can seem to even take him down. So wrestling is there too, unlike Anderson Silva.
I believe GSP's best known quote is "I am not impressed by your performance."
Reason #2 speaks the most good for GSP
i consider GSP as the top P4P king. He is a true practitioner of MMA and he uses it all in his fights
He's gonna be the G.O.A.T, at his weight class, there is no argument
P4P, some day yes is gonna be the G.O.A.T
I like GSP and have since he joined the UFC
but
really he has wins over 2 Hall of fame great fighters
and
wins of 4 or 5 career-so-far really good fighters
but has got to start finishing some of those just-DW's-latest-contender guys
to be called Greatest of All time
really,
he should have stopped Hardy (Condit made it look easy)
he should have stoppede Alves (why not?)
and a Greatest of All time would have stopped Fitch as well
I figure him for top 2 or 3 PPP and top WLT
but for all time?
not so sure until he stops a really good guy in a war
I think he's #2, yeah he beats guys at their weakness but Anderson beats guys at their strengths and can end the fight where ever he wants to whether on the feet or on the ground and GSP can't do that. If he can move up and take that belt then yeah I'll give it to him but I really doubt he'll come close. Anderson moved up and KO'd a former champ easily, I doubt GSP could move up and even make Franklin break a sweat. Look at the records they speak for themselves, Anderson 12-0 in the top organization and most title defenses and does stuff you only see in movies. GSP is a great guy and a great Mixed Martial Artist but as long as Anderson is still around he's #2
If you people dont know Jake Shields you better study because that guy has the sickest ground game I've ever seen in the sport and just might have GSP's kryptonite
i think the cat's out of the bag now since the sonnen fight that he has pretty mediocre wrestling and takedown defence. it's dangerous to sit in his guard, but he's not a complete mixed martial artist in the sense gsp is. also gsp has fought tougher competition than silva. middleweight division is one of the weakest in the ufc. only really top guys silva has beaten are griffin, henderson and franklin. if he can make belfort look like a fool then my mind might be changed.
I don't think there is any cat with AS. Other wise you might say the same trhing about St.Pierre having Dan Hardy on his back for 5 rounds who has next to nothing for a ground game and yet was unable to have his BJJ blackbelt get a submission. AS was not at his top game and everyone could see that the same way that everyone saw that hardy was tougher than expected. AS made barelye any attempts to get back to his feet. instead he attempted to get a triangle or armbar from his back the whole time. AS was not as quick as usual either and was complaining about a sore rib which turned out to be a cracked rib and even Sonnen acknowledged something was wrong with him in that fight. You forgot about Jeremy Horn, Lee Murray, Travis Lutter, Nate Marquardt and Damian Maia were on his win list too along with your mentioned Dan Henderson, Chael Sonnen and Rich Franklin who fell twice decisively to AS. GSP has BJ Penn, John Fitch, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck and Matt Serra and if you want a stretch Frank Trigg and Jason Miller to be on GSP's top wins list. Do you really think all those guys besides Hughes scores as higher competition than what AS has faced? Dan Hardy is a one trick pony and GSP never ventured near that area with him. I believe GSP is less well rounded than AS since AS beats guys at their own game even when forced into those positions and GSP simply stays on top of his fears(physically). He admits fighting safe. What did he do with Dan Hardy, BJ Penn, and Alves? He took them strait to the ground and any cherry picking couple of strikes was just to get it back to the mat. AS was forced to get down a few times and won there against his oponents strengths where GSP has admitted he avoids at all costs. When standing AS dominates almost everyone and although GSP has submission wins over 2 or three top guys AS also has sub wins over guys like Dan Henderson and Chael. AS makes his division look weak most times and that is just the problem. He made Forrest look weak too and Forrest managed Shogun and Rampage.
If you wanna talk beating them at their own game, look no further than the Fedor. GSPs game plan is always to fight his oppenent where they are weakest (which seems liek the logical thing to do, no?), and Silva has amazing standup and if that doesn't work for him he will sub you off his back. If Silva has a weakness, its his wrestling, but he can still beat wrestlers with subs. If GSP has a weakness it is probably his boxing, but he is techniqual enough, has a long reach, and uses his kicks effectively so he has no problem on the feat. Fedor just fights and wherever it goes he will finish you, alot like BJ Penn, but mixes it up better. Thats why I say Fedor = best of all time, then prolly Silva, then GSP, but that can all change very soon with GSPs fight against Kos, and AS's fight against a very tough Vitor, the first truly great standup test he has.
ask yourself who has lost the most rounds in the UFC GSP or SIlva? I think the last time GSP lost a round it was when Serra KO'd him. He is far more dominating than Silva, just he controls his opponents rather than trying to KO them. Silva is technically awesome standing, but overall way overrated when touted as p4p #1 and stuff. There's far more well rounded fighters in mma today.
That was a stupid analogy. last round lost? What about last fight lost? You are hyperhating on AS which is why you even have the audacity to leave him out of not only your p4p top 10 but also your middleweight top 10. Give me a break with your rediculous standings.
I have him in my MW top ten. p4p i don't rate him no. Skill set for skill set there's plenty of fighters I have ahead of Silva. Sonnen won every minute of that fight until he got triangled which was so predictable, he don't know how to defend it, but Silva got owned for nearly 25 minutes by a guy with Sonnen's record. He may look slick when he gets people who stand with him who aren't world class at standing, but skill sets there's plenty more well rounded with less chinks in their armour.
I am not hyper hating on Silva, I think his muay thai is second to none in mma. I just don't buy this p4p arguement as I think it's just new fans who haven't seen enough mma who have him as p4p #1 or those gullible who believe DW's every word.
Edgar has displayed way more skill than most mma fighters so far in his career and against top top competition yet hardly anyone gives him the credit he deserves. It is more about who is in the spotlight and Silva as MW champion has had a few tough fights and done very well with them, the rest have been against mediocre opposition and he hasn't always excelled. Aldo, Edgar, Cain, Fedor, GSP, BJ Penn, Rua are just a few who pound for pound have way more skill than Silva. You can call it hyper hating, but i think you'll agree I can justify my opinion quite well.
LOL, you obviously just changed your MW rankings then. I have been watching MMA since 1991 so I am not new to the sport. Silva has a great record and been in trouble very little in the UFC. You have Dan Henderson in top 10 p4p and he was beaten on the ground where he had the best chance and Chael as well. I don't think AS is unstoppable just like I never thought Fedor was but there is no doubt AS is top 10 p4p especially if GSP is or Cain or Edgar. I actually don't agree and most others will feel the same that even if you don't think AS is num 1 p4p he would still make the list.
That's all true and i appreciate an intelligent argument, but the thing is that Fedor is fighting at the least skilled weightclass, in a lesser skilled organization, and that's why he gets docked so many points.
GSP's fight against koscheck won't impress me at all, it's just going to be another takedown and laydown fest.
Remember AGAIN. This is an all time post not a current post. Fedor fought the best a few years ago and made them all lose. He has faced guys much bigger than himself which puts points towards him since GSP is amoung the biggest in his division.
I would say the picture of him on this thread is what really makes him number one!
I guess it's not enough that that he tops our p4p list every month, we need a thread about his greatness lol. I'll preface this by sayin I'm not a big fan of his anymore. Also his personality is why everyone loves him, but has nothing to do with his fighting talents.
He is a great fighter and a great winner imo because he is one of the most technically sound boxers and bjj practitioners (though he's not the best at either) , however his shot, takedowns and top controll are the best in mma. And no one mixes his striking and takedowns better. The most important aspect of his fighting is that he doesn't fight with his ego, he picks at opponents weakness and executes his gameplan to a tee.
These qualities also work against em imo. Here why I think he's not p4p king.
- People like to believe he evolved by leaps and bounds, but honestly he got ktfo and changed how he fights, he became a wrestler. He found something that works, and stuck with it. Not everyone can drastically change theirfighting style, it takes a special athelete, so props to him on that. Just don't get carried away by the myth of his evoloution.
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- His fights look that same,every fight since serra 2 ( 2008) has looked the same, its predictable, you know what to expect when you see gsp fight, not much more to say on that.
- He fights too safe, I've never seen a fighter so scared to come out of their comfort zone. He won't even try to stand with anyone who can strike. Other fighters try to match opponents strengths for challenge, they don't always get the w, but there's something to be said about having guts. I don't really get off on looking at fighters wins vs losses records anyhow, neither should gsp. You know, step up and take a chance once in a while? I could keep going but I'll stop there
I agree AJY, He found a way to get minimal damage and win almost without ever having to endanger himself which takes some skill allright but people are stating all the time that he outstrikes and out wrestles and out subs all his oponents but when he faced alves he quickly made it a game of trying to keep alves down after scoring a quick cherry picking strike or two and the same with BJ Penn and he now goes completely for the safe route. I hope Freddie Roach has changed his confidence in his striking so we can see more action. He definetly changed when he was stopped by Serra and although it is good for his career to stack up the wins it makes me feel he is not as confident in his well rounded game as his fans are. Still he has me sold on being top of his division but I credit almost all of it to his takedowns and top game.
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george st pierre one of the greatest technician fighter in the octagon my aplausee great person attitude and fighter exelent
It's probably too early to say if GSP is the best; IMO and he's my favorite fighter in MMA. It's also living "too much in the moment" and it discounts too easily, the tremendous accomplishments of Anderson and Fedor. And on that note, I'd like to say, that I thought Silva's fight against Sonnen was the greatest fight of his career; it is something that he should be proud of and it's the one fight that I'd send into space in a time capsule to say the aliens..."this is an MMA champ, man.". It was a glorious fight and the greatest fight I've ever seen, maybe the greatest fight of all time (if we get the metrics out on it) and one that GSP has no equal to; thank God. Anderson should boast of that victory; and I picked Sonnen, in the fight and I was right for 4 rounds & 3 minutes (roughly; no pun intended).
What I would say would be this; he's easily the greatest ground fighter in the world, right now. He has the cardio, wrestling, BJJ, G' n P and power, which any ground fighter could ever hope for; in spades. I see no fight where GSP would be pounded out, subbed, kept down or have someone stay / lay in his guard for a (single) round, fight or protracted period. There is no one that could roll with GSP on the ground @ 170; period and that includes Penn. And when he moves up and becomes bigger and more powerful, I see that advantage continuing.
Should he become the Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather or Alistair Overeem of stand-up, then I think we will be able to certifiably call him “the greatest of all time”; but the cake is still in the oven – IMO.
That was intel as it should be. Thankyou WingChun.
GSP is the best P4P fighter imo...Hes well rounded and is a very intelligent fighter. Hes the best therefor people are going to hate on him. At the end of the day hes going to keep winning and people are going to keep talking, The best fighter in the world is based on opinion and ive learned that opinions are like as.s holes, everyones got one.
LOL every opinion against GSP is weaked.
thats the real hate right there.lol.
GSP is best because he makes EVERYONE to fight his fight. as he says nobody can take away his Riddum
GSP is amoung the best in my opinion but not certifiably THE BEST. His riddum is very good and I don't see any trouble for him outside of Kos, Fitch and BJ but who knows we have had many surprises over the last 2 years.
I don't see any trouble for GSP from Kos, Fitch or BJ. Kos is improved, but I reckon he'll have made GSP intent on making a statement next weekend when they meet. Silly boy!!
Truthfully I get excited when GSP fights, not because it's Georges but his opponents. I appreciate all the skill that he has, but he doesn't make me bubbly on the inside.
Wow, this post sure got a ton of posts.
I have GSP at the top of my P4P rankings based on current form and quality of opposition, but that is also because the guys have lost or had sub-par performances. To really cement his place up at the top, he needs to give Kos the beating he deserves.
But I think that's what will happen. The 2nd time GSP fights guys, he DESTROYS them (Serra, Penn, Hughes).
Also, GSP has only fought once in the last year, and I think he's been taking that time to evolve his skill set. Think how much he's evolved since he started out, when he was basically a kick boxer. He's still only 29!
I think anyone who says GSP's fights are boring or he doesn't try to finish people are ignorant about MMA and/or have short memories. Having said that, if we are talking about being the greatest of all time, the bar is pretty high.
As good as GSP is, I think it's too soon to say "greatest of all time". Though he might be ahead of Silva and Fedor on current form, he still has some catching up to do in overall accomplishment.
But he's several year younger than both those guys, so the odds are in his favor. In a few years time, new names will have replaced Fedor and Silva in this debate, but GSP will still be a part of it.
If he either beats Silva in a superfight, or surpasses his record for title defenses, then maybe we can call him 'the greatest'.