Five Conclusions from UFC 125: Edgar vs. Maynard

I would have given the first round to Edgar for showing pure heart annd coming back the rest of the rounds. But really though I thought Edgar landed more strikes AND takedowns....I really don't know what these judges are seeing.

@friendlyfoe

how could you possible have given the 1st round to edgar? he got compleatly dominated. no two ways around it. it was easily a 10-8 to maynard. i had the fight as a draw also with edgar winning round 2,4 and 5. how you can possibly blaim the judges here shows you dont know what your taking about.

Good thing you're not a judge buddy.

notsurifsrs

friendlyfoe, are you really Cecil Peoples?

you are sick! even if you dont like maynard you dont have to say things like that and lying.

@ rflynn



Relax dude. Clearly you are upset about the fight, but you look at the second part of the first sentence of my post you will realize that I acknowledge that Edgar CAME back after that beat down from Maynard. It was merely to point out the awesome survival skill/iron chin of Edgar. But as far the next FOUR rounds, I felt that it was pretty much Edgar landing MORE strikes and taking Maynard down. So again, relax its the new year.

if a guy doesn't even land a punch. or only lands one when he gets hit with 50 or more. in my opinion, that kind of scoring would be a 10-0, 10-1, 10-2. something really low like that. and 10-9's, would be razor close rounds. I don't see the point of having a ten point system if you only at the most go 2 points below 10. that's retarded. then you could start scoring fights more accurately, accounting for damage and effectiveness, when deciding how high or low of numbers to score to each fighter. then this would be even less likely to happen. Big John and some people he know also have a very good idea for a half point system that's supposed to eliminate draws as well.

Im thinking you dont know how the scoring works... If u give someone a 10-1 or 10-2 round (lmfao) then u have to end the fight right then. There is no way for an opponent to recover from that kind of first round scoring.

@friendlyfoe

i am relaxed. i wanted edgar to win the fight but i am not bias with my posts. i still dont understand your point on how you gave edgar the 1st round. you cannot give a fighter a round on the mear fact that he showed heart.



edgar doesnt have an iron chin and that was shown, he was dropped at least 3 times in the 1st round, the 1st being from a left hook off maynards left hard (the weaker punching hand due to the hard being forward). this shows he doesnt have 'an iron chin as maynard has only finished 2 opponents by strikes.



if you look at fightmetric, you can clearly see that the strikes were even for the fight. (fightmetric stats are in the 'latest news' section) so as far as that statment goes it wrong. you need to watch the fight again. i felt that a draw was the right outcome

Dude... SPELLCHECK. That is all.

I think he was just playing guys. He said but really though haha.

it sucks for pettis alright but i think it's bs that edgar is still regarded the champion. it was a draw, which means edgar didn't defend his belt and maynard didn't beat him, so clearly they should rematch. pettis was promised a title shot against the winner of the fight but there was no winner so they have to fight again to decide who the champ is and who should be fighting pettis.

To be the champ you have to beat the champ right? Frankie didn't get beat but I can see why Dana would want to see the rematch.

Ya Pettis is the only real loser....he is going to either hve to wait like a 6-7 months to fight or will hve to fight someone else not getting teh title shot....I would not hve mind if UFC decided to do Edgar vs Pettis n Maynard fights the winner of that.....as for Thiago Silva, the dude is sick, I love how even when hes beating the crap out of someone he is still pissed off

and to be the champ you have to defend the belt and edgar didn't do that.

In a draw the belt always stays with the champ.

yeah i'm not saying maynard won, but i think that a rematch is sufficient to decide who the champ really is. i appreciate that things are the way they are and edgar is still the champ, i just don't think he should be because he didn't beat the challenger.

Well, the challenger didn't beat the champ so...what are you trying to say? Edgar should stripped of his belt? In retrospect he did "defend" the belt by not losing, he may not have won but he didn't lose, his territory has been defending and he's the respectful owner of the belt.

That's so what I've been trying to say haha. It's all good though... I guess. Maynard and Edgar was very entertaining but I definitely would rather see Pettis get his shot.

Just one point. After beating Grispi so decisively, shouldn't Poirier get the next shot at Aldo? That would make sense to me.

I would have to agree with that but that isn't how the UFC always does things.

Next FW title shot needs to go to Omigawa vs Mendez....they deserve it more then anyone else in the UFC

Yea that kid looked really sharp out there. Many ppl may not be familiar with Grispi, but he is a solid, well-rounded fighter and for Poirier to out-class him like that was very impressive. I think he and Aldo would make for an entertaining fight for sure.

As per Leben, I agree 1000%, you can't have a long career in MMA if you plan use face for defense.

I thought the main even was boring,after the 1st round I could tell nothing exciting was going to happen and it was going to the judges, For a fight that went the distance Diaz vs Kim was way more exciting.

*cough* edgar's slam on maynard *cough*

If its not a mean to an end, I dont get geeked up about it. Just like people getting geeked up over pettis. I am more concerned about his ablity to finish fights. He had a guy in a vunerable position and couldn;t capitilize on it.

I initially thought a draw was a fair result.



Anyone who thought Maynard won it though needs to watch it back a couple of times like I have. Edgar was robbed.



Maynard won the first round 10 - 8 or even 10 - 7 if you like. Edgar wins the last 4 rounds.



For those who think he won the 3rd watch it from the start of the round. Edgar lands plenty for 3 minutes without taking a single shot. It is only towards the end Maynard lands a couple of clean powerful shots, but no way did he win the round, Edgar landed 3 maybe 4 times as many shots. Same with the 5th, Maynard comes forward a bit more and throws more leather but watch the whole round and again Edgar landed at least twice the amount of clean shots if not more, most of what Maynard threw missed.



Rounds 2 and 4 were clearly Edgars, Rounds 3 and 5 please watch them back and you will see they were clearly Edgars also. That makes it 48 - 46 or 47 - 46 to Edgar regardless how you scored the 1st round.

@azzkika that's exactly what I was thinking when they said it was a draw too. edgar landed more shots on the last four rounds

Agreed. I don't know what the judges were looking at. A Split Decision would have probably been more acceptable, but Edgar won the rest of the rounds

I can understand the judges scoring on all accounts. before the decision I hadn't a clue which way they were gonna call it and was happy when they called it a draw. It was only after scrutinising each round on playback did it become apparent edgar should have won. There's a good case for Maynard having it won in the first though, as at one point he put Edgar out with 2 sharp uppercuts but then the way he recovered the ref was right not to stop it so on balance I think a draw is fair.

5 conclusions....



1. Grispi is a "fluke".

2. Leben is the worst good fighter I've ever seen.

3. Jeremy Stephens is the real deal.

4. Vera still sucks.

5. Edgar/Maynard went exactly as expected. I only wish there was a winner because the thought of them fighting again makes me ill.

edgar maynard was a sick fight man, whats wrong with you?

Yeah, I don't get how anyone can accuse Edgar of being boring or think the fight last night was. IMHO, Frankie Edgar is one of the most interesting fighters to watch and the fight last night was incredible. I hope the UFC can squeeze the rematch into the Toronto card because I cannot wait for Edgar V Maynard III.

I think Edgar is one of the best MMA fighters on the planet top p4p material in my book.

dude was that really gray maynard, i was expecting some good old fashioned lay n gay

I was glad to see Thiago Silva win--as I believe he is very deserving. He almost had Rashad knocked out--and with better conditioning and no back trouble, he probably would have done it.



But Silva definitely was enamoured with striking to the exclusion of other aspects of MMA. To see him in the clinch and getting takedowns makes me reevaluate his chances of rising to the top.



You did not mention Guida, but I thought his submission was sweet. I actually believe Guida has improved his game. It was refreshing not to see him use his face as a shield. I am not certain his frenetic strategy of movement would work in a 5 round contest.



I concur with your observations about Leben leading with his chin. No matter how tough you are, this is a bad strategy in the long run. But Stann deserves his props too. I am excited that the MW division has someone new and interesting in the mix. Stann needs to improve his wrestling dramatically if he as title aspirations, but so far, so good.



Finally, Antonio McKee ran his mouth off, but when the chips were down--he is no GSP.

I think Guida could do that for 20 rounds if he had to.

Sharp? It was meant to be funny. I really only think Guida could do that for 10 or 15 roundsLOL

He was outclassed not just beaten.

Very best event so far for me.... The fight war... Im so happy with draw can't wait for another fight... It should be alot better...

The only problem I have with this article is how Frankie Edgar gets all the credit and respect in the world for surviving that 1st round, but Maynard gets none for almost knocking out the LW champ.



"Frankie Edgar showed tremendous heart"



So what? Maynard showed a tremendous left hook and right uppercut. Does Edgar deserve some respect for surviving? Yes. However, Maynard also deserves respect for almost finishing him. The way this is written, you'd almost think Edgar actually won the fight.

They are both worthy of credit, no doubt. But don't begrudge Edgar credit for such a recovery and refocus after such a brutal 1st round. Very few fighters could have done that. I'm glad the fight went down the way it did because both of them will now get more respect than they were getting before. Edgar still hasn't had full recognition for just how good his domination of BJ Penn was and last night showed he not only has the skills of a champion, he has the heart also.

PS: If the judges had scored the fight accurately, Edgar would have won, he won the last four rounds.

Once again, all I see in your post is Edgar, Edgar, Edgar. No mention of Maynard at all except the word "both". I already said Edgar deserves SOME credit, but so does Maynard.



"Very few fighters could have done that"



Very few fighters could have done to Edgar what Maynard did to him in that first round. Where is the love?



BTW, the judges DID score the fight accurately. Personally, I had Maynard winning rounds 1 and 3, while Edgar won 2, 4, and 5. However, the 1st round was a 10-8 in my view and that gives a score of 47-47. I don't like the judges most of the time, but this was a fair decision.

Maynard gets credit for NOT finishing the fight when he had Frankie fighting for his life in the first. Haha ok just playing. Seriously Gray already beat Frankie so he should have done it again to shut the haters up. I think Edgar is getting all the credit because he showed a lot more in that fight than Gray did.

How can Maynard win round 3? Edgar punches and kicks him for over 3 minutes before Maynard lands anything back. Don't tell me he won due to a takedown from which Edgar had a submission attempt.



Fair point about Maynard deserving more credit, but Serra caught GSP but GSP is still the better fighter. Maynard caught Edgar, but 20 minutes out of 25 of outclassing him suggests Edgar is now the better fighter. I think that's why he is getting more credit.

A lot more what?

skill.

Well riddle me this; If he showed more skill, why didn't he win the fight? He has fought Maynard twice and still hasn't beat him. Clearly Maynard did more damage than Edgar in that fight.

I thought they looked equally busted up in the press conference. Seems pretty even to me. the fact he outclassed him for 4 out of 5 rounds suggests more skill. he lacks power and strength in a major way compared to maynard. If they were equal in skill Maynard would wipe the floor with him.

1 conclusion:



Chris Leben is an idiot

A very good fight the young edgar and maynard displayed. Great heart from the champ. Totally agree with the draw. Both were well deserving but, I think Maynard should fight Pettis and winner takes on edgar

edward would've won that night if it wasn't for the first round...

The most important conclusion is that Clay Guida has invented a new martial art- King Kong Style.

You know what else is funny? If you're into kung fu movies, there is a dub of Iron Monkey where the villain uses "King Kong Fist" style.



I kid you not.

Iron Monkey is an awesome movie btw.

For me the Highlight of UFC125 is Frankie Edgar. I mean this dude took a lot of punishment in that first round only if a few more Maynard punches found it's mark while Frankie was on the ground, Then I'm sure the fight would have been stopped. But credit to Edgar for weathering the storm..

One conclusion is that Gray will win the next fight for sure.

One conclusion is that the majority of pre****tors saying it would be a Maynard lay n pray snoozefest were completely wrong.



Maynard could KO Edgar if he catches him. He has shown his power puts him bang in trouble when he connects clean. Edgar has shown he can dominate over Maynard at times also. Nothing is certain, though I personally think Edgar will be more impressive next time around, just as he was against BJ 2nd time.

...is definite chamption material. That doesnt mean i think he could beat any LHW right now, but i think you're right with the right opponents he could establish himself as a contender, and over the next year or two get to the top.



I think he is well rounded enough to be a problem for any opponent - no glaring weaknesses, and the most intimidating characteristic of all - His aggression. So many fighters lack it and even with all the focus on technicality and respect within MMA, you have to admit theres a certain charm of seeing a stalker beeline to the centre of the octagon like that



And the neck-cutting motion at the end is pretty cool...