Dana White reveals his P4P Top 3: Anderson Silva, Frankie Edgar, Jose Aldo, but no GSP

top 3 are GSP, Fedor, Silva

So GSP is off because of a TKO loss, but Silva is still in there after a flying heel hook loss to a lightweight, and in his last fight he basically got his ass handed to him?

Top 3 are GSP Silva Aldo(Aldo and Silva interchangeable). Dana needs to realize we are not talking about a hybrid of GOAT and p4p. I could care less what happened to a fighter 3 (maybe 4 or more) fights ago. Cuz then thats just old news. Fighters get better and thats why p4p should be how good they are doing currently

This is nothing new. Dana White is Dana White, purely black and white and BIAS as f--k! I will say it again, his way is the only way. It is his style of selling. Dana: "are you f--g nuts!?", "Listen...", LOL! Anderson has not lost since 2006? Yeah he is bad ass BUT Fedor has only lost once in 10 years and he f---g sucks and has not fought nobody in Dana's book so obviously he is not in the top three. Frankie Edgar? Give me a break. He beat BJ Penn but was not a beating. It was not an exiting fight whatsoever BUT he is #2!?!? LMAO! Typical Dana White hyping his champions up! Let's see UFC challenge other ORGS out of the division? Dana took that gamble with Liddell and Belfort and look at what happened? I like Dana White but am not going to deny he is like a used car salesman, 20/80 rule, 20% truth, 80% bullshit.

^ Sharp

Everyone needs to remember that P4P is an opinion. That's his opinion. We all have our own. GET OVER IT

@ Jizzle

Your right but Edgar ahead of GSP is such a silly thing to suggest he did what GSP has already done and Edgar's loss to Maynard wasn't like 5 years ago.

@ mmauk



...here, here. I second, the comment.

@mmauk



He beat bj when bj stepped up to his weight, and even then he didnt want to stand with him because in the first fight he got busted up.

if gsp is out for a that tko against serra (ufc 69 was in 2007?)

so what the hell is doing silva there after a total ass kickin in his last fight.. i mean he got rocked on his feet and got his face beaten in on the ground!! and against maia he actet like a clown!! ok he is the best fighter hands down.. but come on.. what is that gsp argument????

and frankie nr 2????????? O.o WTF??? BJ lost cause he is a total idiot and should kick his cornermans face in for that strategy!!!! his team cost him his title twice!!

IMO A.Silva getting whooped for 5 rounds and still winning solidifies his spot at no.1 it's all well and good winning when your on top form but winning from a loosing position is a truer test of a champ i'd love it BJ Penn had that ability to win when chips are down. On the A.Silva loss v GSP loss one was in the UFC and the other wasn't. Dana uses this same logic to back up Silva's win streak but discredit Fedor's win streak before his loss.

@mmauk



Fedors streak wasnt in the UFC. It's much easier to get a ton of wins outside of the UFC where people aren't constantly cut for not being as elite as they can be

@Madnesstill

I know, that's why I personally didn't have him no.1 before his loss. The point i was trying to make is a loss in the UFC on a guys record is more relevant to Dana, not a loss years ago in Japan

nope its way easy in the ufc. harder evrywhere else!!!!!!!!! GSP never fought in pride, he can never be compared to silva, fedor, wanderlai or anybody else who was at PRIDE. **** the ultimate wrestle championship

What a joke Dana White is!

if it wasent for the Fertitas he would still be a freaking aerobics instructor!

He won a a great comeback victory, and his losses come from when he was fighting at a weight less than he is now, proving that even though he might be more vulnerable at different weights, he still dominates.



If GSP was off, it'd be more for the fact that he's more about safety and points now, and edgar is DEFINITELY not up there for me.

Anderson silva is #1. So he got his ass handed to him his last fight. Let's not forget he came into that fight with a rib injury while his opponent came juiced up. And he still managed to get a finish.

Yeah...Plus, GSP came back to defeat Matt Serra, and finish him with those viscous knees. I think you have to put him in the top before Aldo, just for the fact that he has dominated and beat every opponent since the loss, and has been champ longer then Aldo has. But, Aldo is still a beast and should be considered one of the best, P4P.

Got his ass handed to him?! What the F were you watching?? Silva cut him up with elbows from the bottom and subbed him while he was sweaty. He also had no damage by Chael, cracked ribs and was fighting an opponent on performance enhancing drugs. You are fooking stttuuuupid....weakest comment ever.

silva won his last fight. thats all that matters. i would rather be flying heel hooked than tko'd obviously

@ Rigo



He's the beneficiary of benefactors - period.

@rigo & wingchun



he took the ufc from what was basically a freak show to the massive success it is today...he brought mma events to different countries which is something dream strikeforce pride (aprt from when they were bout to go bust) or anyone else couldnt do...he brought mma to the mainstream with the TUF series which massively expanded its fan base aswell as giving COUNTLESS fighters a chance to impress....he holds the fan expos which gives fans a chance to meet their faveourite fighters...he attends these events himself and takes all sorts of questions, hes not afraid of being asked awkward questions....he attends EVERY ufc event and watches EVERY fight...he helped bring out a ufc game (despite being laughed at by ea, who as we all know have since brought out there own game) which has proved to be a massive success....I COULD KEEP GOING GUYS!



now lets compare him to scott coker...scott coker licked dan hendersons balls (who lets not forget left the ufc in a tantrum cos he had to wait 1 more fight for a title shit, despite the fact hed already gotten 2 and lost them both) and ignored one of the best fighters he had in jake shields...scott coker gives people title shots after a loss (aka mr. rogers)



my point is that yes your both right when u say he benefitted from others to get the business, but so what? look at what hes done for this sport we all love and the commitment he shows....i agree with people that sometimes hes an idiot and he says stupid things (ala his comments about fedor) but on the whole the good outweighs the bad imo

@ PartyBoy



I appreciate your spirited defense of Dana, but the point being made was not about what he's done, but rather what he hasn't done; plus the other stuff - language, conduct and dress code.



I think any MMA fan with some passion, financial backing and brains could have done what White did. That is my honest opinion. If you gave someone with a reasonable IQ and some reasonable business savvy, they would have pulled it off.



And a huge chunk of the reason the UFC is what it is today, is based on one thing - "first-to-market"; resulting in a recognizable brand name, that has allowed them to dominate the market. I can personally attest to the fact, that I'd never seen MMA until the early days of "Gracie" MMA bouts, as broadcast under the name UFC. I had never heard of it or seen it, before. To this day, a great many novices or casual fight fans, probably believe the sport is called - UFC; not appreciating that it's a brand-name, not the (actual) sport.



Concluding - other then building upon what was already laid (with several millions of dollars) and capitalizing on a market that is / was obvious (people love to watch exciting fights), and getting a show on a lesser network - what has DW done...that could not have been done (by almost anyone)? My answer is - not much. I personally, am not impressed with either his creative / out-of-the-box thinking or his business acumen.



This is my opinion of Dana White as a businessman, president of the UFC and public persona. I have formed it through observation. It is based on a decades worth of indicia.

sorry man, that just means you have never started up and marketed a business. Its very difficult. Sure he had the brand name, but howcome noone but dana bought the ufc? because noone saw the potential into making it a REAL sport. Noone but dana had the vision.



And the way he's grown it is impressive, and contrary to what some people say, he hasnt killed the sport, he made the sport.

@ MMAoracle



You know nothing of my business acumen or history. You have no idea as to what I do or have done in my life. You are "assuming" I have never started up or marketed a business. To that point - your assumption would be wrong.



And - you failed to qualify the question, in terms of it being a "successful" business. Anyone can start a business, few can start a successful one. To that point - I have.



Why did no one else by the UFC? And did anyone else see the "potential"?



Again you make declarative assumptions. Here are two possibilities that you fail to consider:



1. It assumes no one else wanted to buy the business. I assure you, that there were lots of people out there, including myself, that if they had the Fertitta's money would have bought it.



2. No one saw the potential - I don't know about you, but I and millions of other saw it - they're called "fans". They just don't have the millions to become owners; see point one.



If you put the two requirements together, money and analysis (the ability to see potential), you come up with the Fertittas, their poor, fight fan friend, Dana White and the opportunity of a lifetime.



Guy - I hate to tell you this, but had I or pretty much any poster on this site, known the Fertittas "back-in-the-day" - then we "all" could have been president of the UFC and the "all knowing genius" of MMA.



He's done a good job, not a great job. It could be a lot better - my only point. And I find him a "less then stellar" ambassador of MMA / UFC to the sports world and public, at large.



Cheers,



Wing Chun

as far as language, conduct and dress code go, your 100% he doesnt act like your typical president...but then again my opinion is that he isnt, hes a more down to earth person, which is evident from things like his twitter page and the almost giddy excitment he displays whenever mike tyson appears in his vlogs (some people said he was ass-kissing, but i for one dont know any combat sports fan who wouldnt do that if they met mike tyson!)



it probably sounds like im coming across as a big dana fan, and i suppose i am...he doesnt bullshit you, which is something i like, and one thing i think we all take for granted is just how much mma he supplies us with! regular ufc events with fight nights spaced between...take the ufc out of the market and what are we left with? not a whole lot....he employs a s***load of fighters too which again many people take for granted



i know u say that most people could have done aswell as dana has done, and you may be right (iv never started a business, or taken one over as in danas case) but i imagine its a lot tougher than you make it out to be, especially considering that:

A) it was a combat sport that was looked down upon by most people...i think it was john mccain who described it as 'human ****-fighting'

and B) he took it over when it had essentially no fan base in the us and was dealing with a much more popular variant (at the time) in boxing

it cant have been easy for him, especially considering that on top of expanding the business, he also had to remove the stigma from it...



having said all that i completely respect your opinion, its well founded and you make some good points, but id urge you to consider what scott coker has done in terms of running his business (giving title shots off a loss, throwing ridiculous money at a name (hendo) and ignoring talent (shields)) and compare it to how dana has done things, because strikeforce i believe is the next biggest mma promotion so if comparrisons can be made, they should be made between those two

@ Partyboy





Very thoughtful and well said. I don't believe I'd argue with anything that you've said.



My points are: I find him a bad ambassador for the sport; particularly to the layman. My other point is that I think he could be doing a great deal more and I've laid out some of those things.



And to the things you give him credit for - he's being given credit for doing what was necessary and with a significant budget. It was necessary to get it licensed and sanctioned, it was necessary to get it on TV, it was necessary to develop a web site, it was necessary to have fights and get them on PPV - it was necessary to build the brand. Had he not done these things we wouldn't be talking about the UFC. What I don't see is the really big vision. He just keeps talking about expanding into new markets. What is the point of expanding into a new market, when you might not have another fight there for a year or more? Example - how many fights will the UFC have in Australia, Germany, Ireland, England and Abu Dhabi in the next 2 years? Not many, would be my guess.



The point on that - when you "crack" a market, you go there and you stay; grind out a business, market, market, market. Outside of North America, right now, White's marketing strategy is only encouraging competition; is what I'd tell him. If he and the UFC can't commit to a market in the same way as they have to North America, then he shouldn't bother, because the UFC doesn't have the cash or size to "control the world" MMA market; quite literally.



On that particular issue - they should take and will need to take, the company "public". I'd buy shares; even with White as the president. :-)



Still - one of the biggest things I have against him or perhaps better put, irritates me about him, is his constant use of the F-bomb. It's like nails on a chalkboard, to me. I have no problem with the word; per se. It has it's place, but not every other word, every other sentence. It's disgusting. I view MMA as family entertainment, to be honest. And where I have no problem in allowing my kids to watch professional athletes to combat in an honorable fashion, I don't want them watching the president of the company talking like a common "thug"; F-bomb this, F-bomb that.



To be honest - I'm shocked that the Fertittas haven't spoken to him, about it.



...hey guy, you're the president of a major corporation (now), you need to clean up the language and be more presentable on camera.



Just my thoughts P-boy. I thank you for your insightful post.





Cheers,



Wing Chun

on the point of expanding the market into different countries i think you amke a very good point, and i hadnt really thought of it like that...an example would be that the ufc comes tro my own country (ireland) with ufc 93...it gets people excited and into an mma craze, but the ufc dont follow up on it which gives lots more attention to smaller mma orgs that may have been living in obscurity up to that point but now find themselves with a significant fan base? it makes sense, and probably causes loss of a lot of potential profits from the now mma-hungry fans...i suppose on the fiscal side of things, hosting a ufc event in another country might be more expensive? i dont really know, but i suppose given the much larger us audience their first priority is to get ufc events to as many different states as possible...id definitely like more events in europe though, i wouldnt have to stay up til 4 in the morning to watch them! ha

Ok, I have always wanted to lay my thoughts out on this... However, its going to be lengthy. Also, its fair to say I know a bit about Business/Marketing... Partyboy, you may not have had a formal education or any hands on experience, but you are correct in much of your assessments. Now, my intentions are not to "choose sides," so just hear me out. Contrary to what one might imagine, no one wanted the UFC, which is why they could not find the appropriate financial backing and had to sell it in the first place. There wasn't a capitalist, venture or otherwise that wanted to get involved with that mess outside of Dana and the Fertittas... Yes, I am sure as was stated, that there were fans who would have loved to buy it, but weren't wealthy. However, that is the exact point. Its easy to say that as a non-wealthy fan that you would have loved to have it, but when its your own millions that are being invested and you start analyzing the type of risks that were involved at the time, its not so easy to step up with that kind of money anymore. So you have to credit the Fertittas for being such ambitious adventure capitalists and as I said, who wants to deal with that mess? I will tell you who... Dana White. And lets thank God he did. If it weren't for the UFC, whose success ultimately bred competition within the market, we would not only be missing the UFC itself, but we wouldn't have any of the smaller promotions who look to the UFC as evidence of potential success in mixed martial arts. Could you imagine the impact it would have had on our sport if the UFC failed? If all the politics and negative stigma would have defeated it? People would have called Dana and the Fertittas incompetent and looked at the idea of a more modern combat sport as a pipe dream! As far as the UFC's plans for expansion, understand that these things take time. It might be one show a year in these regions now, but depending on the return it will gradually increase. As profits rise in these new market places, this will allow the UFC to hire more staff, bring in more talent, and put on those additional shows. Hence the new offices they have opened in Canada, the UK, and China... all on foreign soil. It would also seem that as they are currently expanding into Japan, they are consequently signing more Asian talent to suit that region. Just as they did with the U.K. Something that excites me personally. If that trend continues imagine the surplus and diversity in competitors!! Which will undoubtedly not only bring the UFC, but the sport as a whole, to unimaginable heights!! So even tho I do not always agree with Dana, I respect the hell out of all of those guys as business men.

@ Joey



Nature abhors a vacuum JS. If not the Fretittas, then it would have been someone else; if not back-in-the-day, then at some other point in time. The market was/ is there, always has been. The market must be served - Wealth of Nations.



I think you and I would both agree - that what failed with the Gracies was not a bad idea; it was a great idea. Why it failed was as a result of under capitalization, poor marketing and not playing the political "game".



When you say that there wasn't a capitalist alive...yet, there were the Fretittas; nature abhors a vacuum. Again someone would have gotten this done, if not then, then maybe a wealthy Mark Cuban, later. I think we're placing too much emphasis on the time line, here and not on whether or not it was going to get done - at some point; would be my point.



Fans that don't have money - you just described Dana; to a T. When you mention that fans would have bought it, until they were talking about their own money...again, Dana has or had (at least) no dog in this fight. If it went under, it wasn't going to be him on the hook for the cash. Again - it could have easily been your or I or any other reasonably bright MMA aficionado. Come on JS - don't you think you could do Dana's job? I bet you'd do it just fine, my man.



JS - I give them all the credit in the world for being the first to realize the value of the sport and brand, which the Gracies founded. Yet, to be honest, they could have started up with their own brand and saved the money. The UFC moniker was not known outside the MMA world and when expanding into a new audience, who would care if they had called it something else - The UCF - Ultimate Competitive Fighting (or something like that). My point on this - the UFC brand name, at the time of purchase, was nothing akin to purchasing a McDonalds (franchise), for example; where you lay out money for the name, because you know it will entice business.



My personal opinion on their EU strategy - it sucks. It's all over the place, it has no focus. It appears to be an ad hoc piecing together of strategy. It's a wonder StrikeForce doesn't pick up shop and base itself out of the UK, where they could have free reign on the EU market; more fights and fight cards, is the main answer here; there's a baseball, basketball etc. game every day, would be my point, here. It's why you need to expand the rosters. You need more fighters.



Short Term / Long Term - best thing the UFC could do for itself, right now, to solidify its position as the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB of MMA would be to take the company - public.



As always JS - I appreciate your thoughts and opinions on all things MMA; yours is always an educated postulate.



Cheers,



Wing Chun

Well sir, I do appreciate you taking the time to both read and consider my thoughts on the matter : )

@ JS



Joey_Santosus for UFC President. :-)

2drunk2crack1off - one of my followers; barking at my heels for attention

@ 2D2



Go back and read the thread. I never said going to Ireland was pointless.



If you're going to chime in with an actual comment 2D2 - then at least know what has been said and who is saying it; then comment.



Respectfully,



Wing Chun

2drunk2crack1off - one of my followers; barking at my heels for attention

i only read the first line...... then thought **** you, stop chatting shit. DANA WHITE is killing mma. so what if he took it mainstreem. he is killing mma as a SPORT and thats all that matters. give me pride fc anyday over the ufc

Who won the fight??? yea that particular GSP argument wasnt that strong.....

another thick twat. dont you realise that winning the fight is what counts, sonnen was a jucied up freak, he gave silva evrything he had and still didnt finish him. or survive the last round for that matter

The fact that he got his stomped for 5 rounds, by a juiced up sonnen, with a rib injury (not sure what was it excactly, but he sure wasn't at the prime of his standing game that fight) and still had the clear mind to pull out an heroic win is a positive point for him...it showed he also has heart and a the psychological strengh to revert what it seemed to be a hopeless situation, something we hadn't had the chance to see him doing

so because GSP lost at UFC 69 thats supposed to diminish his overall skills get the f*ck outta here dana u slime



Anderson Silva hasnt lost in the UFC, yea thats right but he hasnt 'performed SINCE he fought Dan Henderson, and from there he has been dismal, his only good performance after hendo was against forrest griffin, and forrest wasnt at it that night, he looked like he wanted out from the get go.



the UFC Hype Machine at it again..... no mention of shogun or fedor or anyone??



i agree Aldo should be on the list



Frankie Edgar is top 3 ?????

dont get me wrong i love frankie edgar but cmon, WTF, he deserves to be top 10 but not top 3..........



again more total bullshit from the mouth of Dana, trying to build Silva into this myth or legacy blah blah blah

wonder if silvas still on his 'list' after the Belfort fight ??? ha ha ha



what a f*ckin JOKE ha ha ha ha

@ Crippla - (AKA "The Prodigious / AKA Defender of the Faith / AKA "Mr. Green")



I hear ya, Mr. Green.



Now I know truly understand why you didn't want the Mr. White, moniker. :-)

@ Wing Chun (AKA Wing Tzun / AKA Yip Man / AKA Mr. Red)



you are spot on with your assessment :)



All The Best



Crippla

Edgar wouldn't have a big ppv draw compared to broke or shogun. And after GSPs last 2 fights I can see why he isn't in the top 3

Anderson Silva being the number 1 P4P king is a done deal IMO, Jose Aldo being at number 3 is not a bad call either, however I don't think Frankie should be ranked ahead of GSP

hands down Top 3 A.silva,gsp,aldo. fedor is pretty close but he dosent even fight the best guys in the world.

Dana, you are officially losing your mind now days.

@ Ur



I was torn on my (ranking) vote here, Ur. I obviated between sharp and funny; I decided on funny; but it is sharp.



White is an idiot.....Frank Edgar (and I'm a fan, called him in both his victories against Penn) is not top 3 - lol. I wonder what Dana will say when Maynard takes the belt?



...now I"m sorry I didn't vote sharp. Ur, you confound me.

Well.... Not quite my list, but just as I say to other fans, to each their own. At least his "logic" makes sense, which is more than I can say for some.

Frankie Edgar is not top 5...if there's such a thing as p4p



GSP based on his insane training along is top 3...he got caught once in his UFC career (not his only loss but only brutal shocking loss) meanwhile Frankie got beat by a better fighter who is now Number 2 contender...



Silva is obviously up there as is Fedor..Aldo is VERY close, if he gets 2-3 or imagine 5 more title defenses that don't go past the first few rounds and definitely don't go to decision he HAS to be considered up there ...

I think it's a Bold statement coming from him it's his true opinion because you gotta think he's on better terms with GSP then Silva so to rank him higher is showing wat I've said in the past it's not who you like you look past that for the skill they really have. on another note if 127 will really Be Silva Vitor AND Jon Jones vs Bader it's card of the year for me already!!!!!!! my 2 favorite fiGhters of all time Guarenteed wars!!!!!! true test for both of them and we'll see if Silva's cemented in the P4P spot and we'll see wat kinda show a younG star can put on aGaint another. this will really be a step toward the Belt for either of them

I always thought p4p debates were bullshit.

Once Jon jones beats every fighter in that stacked division, he will be the best p4p without debate possible imo. Until then that list is always really subjective and controversial.

I wud personally wait until Frankie beats Maynard and maybe defends against some upcomers like sotoropoulos before calling him p4P n2.

And BTW Edgar is on the number 2 spot according to dana white for a good reason. He wants to promote him and sell this potential boring fight with Maynard. This guy has an opinion about mma but its always about business.

P4P will always be just someone's opinion. It isn't a clear science. Edgar has more skill p4p than most fighters, but as he is smaller and lighter he can move faster. Silva I think is the most overrated fighter in MMA when he is touted as p4p #1. His performances aren't that great against opponents in one of the weaker divisions in the UFC. GSP would hand Silva's ass to him without even going up in weight which puts GSP miles ahead in p4p terms. Silva is an excellent fighter no doubt but nowhere near the #1 on my list. But it's all just opinion at the end of the day. DW has is and as usual I completely disagree with it, but he is entitled to one, same as anyone with a brain.

How can he say no gsp because his lost to serra has he ever seen anderson silvas fight when he lost in pride

frankie edgar what is ufc comming 2

anderson has takin out the worst division so hes nice right he is a good fighter but not number 1 p4p

how is edgar on that list when Shinya Aoki would sub him easy and eddie alvarez would knock him out.

haha the truth but if you remember UFC 118...there's no such thing as MMA...it's UFC or bust

Leaving GSP out of the top 3 p4p is crazy. He got caught by matt serra, and caught by matt hughes. Besides that he has dominated every second of every fight he has been in (with the possible exception of round 1 vs BJ penn). And to add to that, he brutalized the only 3 guys that gave him a problem. And unlike alot of the top p4p guys, he has fought a wide array of top level guys with different skill sets.

Keep in mind, if Dana could make any top 10 list involving MMA, we would only see UFC guys on them.

GSP #1 P4P!!!!

He's nuts. He's gonna give himself a heart attack. Makes ZERO sense to put Edgar in the top 3 and leave GSP out.



And so far as the "geek" comment, classic case of projection. I don't care how many f-bombs he drops, how much money he makes or how many medium size t shirts he wears, he's the epitomy of geekdom.

Way I see it... If Fedor lost some belly fat and was lean as a machine, he could fight at both middleweight, and LW (Silva walks around at about 215lbs, Fedor is 230). Losing that belly fat won't make him anyless of a fighter, it would only make him more agile if anything. I think he would be the same old Fedor at those 2 weight classes and would sweep them. So, considering that he could be the best at 3 different weight classes.... isn't that what a P4P is all about?

Also, I'm not hating on GSP or Silva, I ranked them ahead of Fedor because they have been fighting "higher" level competition for their respective weight classes... or maybe Dana White has me brain washed, Dan Hardy and some of the guys Silva have fought aren't anything special. A lot of GSP and Silva's opponents lose the fight before entering the cage.

LHW*****

guess he wants to see some finishers too LOL

DW ought to offer Silva monster bonuses to finish off his challengers

that might work for Edger & GSP too

I'm just really beginning to dislike White. He is such an ass and not, because of this stupidity; although it helps. I guess I'm just getting tired of the cumulative build-up of arrogance and attitude.



First - I'm tired of White's vocabulary. He seems to be incapable of carrying on a conversation (with anyone) without using gutter language; every other word is the F-bomb; it’s tedious. He's the president of the largest MMA organization in the world and the public face of the UFC, he should learn to conduct himself accordingly; in a more professional and less opprobrious, manner.



Secondly & furthering the same point - I'm tired of seeing White in loud t-shirts, jeans and unshaven and doing media. He is representing the sport and the brand when and to go on networks and shows, such as ESPN, TSN, MMA Connected etc. and always be dressed like the guy that works at the car wash, is to me, un-professional and undignified; it shows no class. It is pretty sad when so many of the fighters show up in suits for their fights and their media, yet, White, as the president of the company, can’t do the same.



Put the two together and what I see is a foul mouthed, low class, limited thinker who would look out of place sitting next to the heads of the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL or any major sport you could name; and that would include the ownership of any franchise that could be named. He would be, literally, the "odd executive" out...in that class photo. Who's the bald headed, unshaven guy, in the jeans and dirty t-shirt, sitting between Gary Bettman and Jerry Jones? It’s a funny image.



He acts and speaks without thinking: (an example) - the night he walked out on Anderson's fight and gave the belt to Silva’s corner and told them to “put it on him” (when it was over) - classless. The fight was crap, yes, but for the promoter to pull that type of a stunt in front of an audience, while the fight was in progress was - dubious, to say the least and for a myriad of reasons.



His comments about fighters (in & out of the UFC) and the UFC's competition – Fedor is the best, Fedor is overrated, Mir is great, Mir has no heart, Tito is a douchebag, Scott Coker and StrikeForce is this...Scott Coker and StrikeForce are that, blah, blah, blah…and on that note I'll say this, I look at guys like Coker and Bjorn Rebney and I see professionals; professionals with class. I don’t see that when I see Dana White.



I also think his promotion of the UFC is not what it could be. A better business man would increase the rosters of the UFC, put on more shows (monthly at least), put on Webcasts of lesser fight cards from and from smaller cities, increased the presence of the brand on TV (not just TUF), would have a more robust web site and developed their own UFC reporters, one’s culled from their own (UFC) fan base. There's lots that could be done that isn't being done. White is not the "all-knowing" genius that he lets on to be. The curtain is lifted and we can see the Wizard for what he is – average, at best.



The UFC needs a CEO intervention or makeover and one that includes a bar of soap for his mouth, because this guy is becoming an embarrassment to the brand and sport; I care not what his bogus P4P rankings are.

Hey, i can sit here and talk about how the MMA fans differ from fans of any other sport, and i think Dana white is just mirroring that difference. Maybe he just acts that way because he thinks that's what MMA fans want.



I mean hell, most MMA guys aren't anything like real martial artists, they can't respect the technicality of the combat so when there's too much thinking and strategy going on, usually they boo. They champion characters that show up out of nowhere to show completely unwarranted disrespect for absolutely anyone they see on a poster, whether or not that person can even come adjacent to the neighbourhood of validity



The sport needs to get classier, and then Dana will probably do the same. Till then, he'll just cater to the least intelligent fans, which is his biggest problem with anderson.

@ Wing Chun AKA Wing Tzun / AKA Yip Man / AKA Mr. Red



a very insightful take on Mr. White



i agree he needs to consuct himself more professionally - and not show up to such events dressed like a hillbilly fresh from the outback.......



all in all nicely done :)



All The Best



Crippla

@ Mad



I think we'd find that the fans who attend or watch the UFC, both men and women, would also attend or watch the NFL, NBA, MLB & NHL. I would see no difference between fans. They would be a cross section of society, in all sports for all sports.



And I'm not against "trash talk" or even unwarranted disrespect (actually), between fighters; it can be quite comical and entertaining as a build-up to the fight. I just don't think it's appropriate for the head of the organization to be acting like "one of the boys"; he's not. Dana is not a fighter and he's not 20 years old. He's a 41 year old professional businessman and fight promoter, he should start acting more like it; regardless of what anyone else is thinking or doing.



How sad when Don King dresses better and speaks better then - "your" guy. And Dana is "our" guy; sadly.



Cheers,



Wing Chun

1. GSP

2. Silva

3. Aldo



If you look at the names GSP has beaten compared to Silva's thats why he's above.



And how does Edgar earn #2 with a Dominate loss to Maynard?

If Edgar wins the rematch and actually finishes it, he'll be #5, but no higher.

Yeah nice call. hows a loss to maynard different then to serra.

dana you are bull shit!!!

I think Jose and Frankie should fall around the same spot on the p4p list. But maybe around 4 and 5. Just because naturally they are close the same weight Jose just cuts to get to 145 and Frankie barely cuts to get to 155. You can't fault Jose for fighting at 145 because thats where he belongs, but you have to give props to Frankie for fighting at 155 when he could fight at 145.

For a long time I have had Silva as my #1 but I don't think he could handle GSP's wrestling. He also doesn't have Aldo's ability to finish. Therefore he has slipped a bit. GSP doesn't finish like Aldo lately either and that is why he may too slip below Aldo in 2011.



1) GSP#1

2) Aldo

3) Silva

we all know that dana is on silva's nuts when it comes to p4p rankings,i'm not surprise gsp his not on his top 3. A lost,that he redeem, cannot putt him on the top 3, that BS!

GSP is gonna be pissssssed!

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Anderson has overcome adversity (coming back from being dominated)for you simple guys examples Lutter,Hendo,Sonnen,since in the UFC hes dominated impressive fighters over and over and hasnt lost since his UFC debut.GSP lost to Hughes and Serra and had a lucky judging in 1st fight with Penn.Big difference Anderson takes chances and finishes fights GSP plays it safe lays on guys until the fights over and then promises next time.A finisher compaired to a points champ.

Being a ground guy I thought you would appreciate the the ground game. Guess your not all that educated in the fight game.

GSP

Just goes to show that because your the head guy in a organization, doesn't mean that your always right or has the most knowledge. Frankly I think Dana is Bias against Canadians in general

Bruce lee

GSP

Silva

Thank you.

Fedor could win 100 fights in a row against all the best guys and Dana would still never say he's top 3. what a joke

Wow...Vana White's list is so gay. Top 4 P4P is:



Fedor

Anderson Silva

GSP

Aldo

What does p4p mean to you guys? I still don't understand why people hate on Fedor in this arguement. When a guy that constantly fights bigger opponents and wins, that should mean something or atleast count for something. Like the guy said way up there, its just an opinion so it doesn't matter much. But.... anyone want to explain what p4p means to them?

To me it means the most consistent fighter who has shown the top level of skill while beating the most top level opponents while having the fewest (or closest) losses.



I personally think P4P lists are a difficult thing to argue, never mind justify. There are just too many variables involved with not only the fighter being ranked, but all of his opponents, and their rankings. Based on what we've seen I definitely see Aldo in the top 3 of what we are considering "P4P" to be. I can also see there being arguments for Silva, Fedor, and GSP so who ends up at #4 is anybody's guess.

you sir, are a bellend

Silva has fought only a handful of meaningful fights (franklin and henderson) in the ufc and his loses in pride were embarrassing. That doesnt put him at the top of the list for me. He just hasnt fought many quality fighters and the ones he has fought weren't exactly in their prime. He has a notable career but i wouldnt say its been the most impressive run in mma history by a long shot.

I wish the UFC would hold open weight tournaments like the original UFC was. We'd see who has the balls like the old school fighters, and if any of the p4p rated fighters entered we'd possibly get to see them square off against each other. As it is now, unless one of the fighters has the balls of BJ Penn we'll never get to see it. Wouls Silva beat Jon Jones? Or GSP? Or Rua/Evans/Machida? I personally think he'd be lucky to win one of them 5 which is why I don't rate him in p4p terms very highly.

I think Dana should fight Fedor for p4p crown! or Coker..or Rebney...or me :) I'll take a fight with Dana Pinkberry White

In reality this is just a way of Dana puting his future and questioned fighters on the spot light, Franckie edgar=good p4p? no, ok his style works good with Bj ,...."with BJ" lets see how he handles the more agresive and stronger wrestler on maynard after that maybe on the top 10, Aldo is a beast i wont disagree but top 3? humm on his weight yeah but lets have in mind that he will go to the ufc to be a lightway, let;s see how he develops, i perosnally think he will whoop some ass on 155. Anderson silva i personally dont like his style.

Take a closer look at Edgars resume. He has beaten quite a few previously unbeaten fighters as well as being the only lightweight to dominate Penn like he did. His last fight was one of the best demonstrations of MMA you could wish to see. Penn looked bad only because of how good edgar was. Penn is still capable of whooping most other LW's bad style and I'm pretty sure in a year or two you will see I'm right. Edgar probably hasn't done enough to be where he is on DW's list, but he is certainly one of the most skilled fighters in MMA today. Edgar could easily fight at 145 and I'd love to see him take on Aldo in the next 2 years when they are both at their peak, but he fights in a division where he is one of the smallest fighters curtesy of the fact he don't cut much at all.

I kinda like Sotiropoulos as a dark horse in Frankie's division, he's showin some grand JJ and damn if he hasn't impressed lately ... yeah im an irishman who's lived in aussie for 20 years but come one peeps the boys showin some real talent.