Dana White may not be interested in Ramapge vs. Machida rematch; BJ Penn vs. Jon Fitch, Sotiropoulos vs. Siver set for UFC 127 in Sydney

DREAM has mma rules right with more emphasis on how a fight ends.

They don't reward a coward running away for 10min thou.

what about jake shields tittle shot?

go look at his fight record. How about GSP last couple of fights or frankie the boring edgar.

Also BJ vs Fitch. I think BJ can keep it standing and TKO Fitch.

I dont no about that...Penn seems to only get motivated for big fights...so I hope he gets motivated for this one

Yeah I was building that as like an assumption. I'm hoping he considers this a big fight since GSP is the only guy to beat Fitch

BJ "not getting motivated for a fight" is just a stupid excuse that BJ fans use whenever he loses. I'm a big BJ fan but you can't just keep using that excuse. was he not motivated for the edgar rematch?

I get it. Whenever Penn gets outclassed or beat he is not motivated. When he wins he is. Yeah yeah same old BS. Penn proved he is still as devastating, and Edgar should get the credit he deserves for dominating such a good fighter.

Dana wants to get Rampage back to a title shot as quickly as possible because he is a Rampage fan and Rampage is a celebrity. He sells PPV's, is an awesome talker and comedian, and Dana on a personal level just likes him and knows he can sell fights. Plus the match-making and seniority in the UFC these days has been so out of whack, I'm starting to have a hard time seeing the UFC as anything but a bigger, better version of Strikeforce.



I don't know if I like this. Is Siver really a high enough ranked opponent to lead into a title shot? For the fight, as a fight, I'm stoked big time, I just don't know if rankings-wise it makes sense. If Sot wins this, that's eight victories in a row in the UFC, the first seven being completely dominant, assuming the eighth will be too. If he doesn't get a shot after this next fight against the winner of Henderson-Pettis/Edgar-Maynard, I'm going to stop watching the UFC.

I am really happy to hear there won't be a rematch between Machida and Rampage. Rampage won the fight and Machida needs to hurt for fighting that way. Drop him down to the undercard and make it clear he has to come to fight. If he fights like that again and loses I wouldn't mind seeing him cut from the UFC. I used to be a Machida fan but Shogun took something from him in that first fight.

completley agree machida was gun shy the whole fight

Rampage didn't think he won the fight. If it was scored over 15 miutes and not individual rounds then Machida won the fight easily. The first 2 rounds were close but Machida should have had a 10-8 round if the first 2 rounds were scored 10-9 as there was little in it apart from the 3rd.

Do u blame him tho lmfao, his confidence was probably shattered by that vicious KO loss to Shogun. I mean dont get me wrong, that was a terrible fight for Machida, running around and shit. Just simply saying I can see where that game plan came from seeing as Rampage has heavy hands as well

fixed:

I've never heard Joe Rogan so quiet about such a controversial decision before.....even Rampage was shocked.....raised Machida's hand right after....I gained a lot of respect for Rampage's honesty tonight, but Joe Rogan should have screamed at least as much as he did after the first Machida Rua fight. Why didn't he? I think Machida should try Strikeforce where he might get fairer treatment. Where Coker won't try to convince all the fans he's a boring fighter (like Dana and Rogan do) and pressure Machida into changing a style he's worked a lifetime to develop. If they had said the same thing about Royce in the early days of 30 minute guard fests where would mma be now?



I think there is something going on here. The UFC don't want Machida in the UFC for some reason. If Dana just wants brawls and that want the fans want too then really there is no hope for the evolution of MMA, and we can all just get our fight fix by tyoing in schoolyard fights into youtube seach and get it. But if we want real mastery level fights then somebody better tell Dana to lay off the Blackhouse fighters like Lyoto and Anderson. Boring? I think it depends on who you are pandering to: people who know how to fight and people don't. I think the fight was fixed from the top right down to Joe who has his marching orders as to who he hypes and who he is not allowed to hype. I think Machida needs to move to Strikeforce they would appreciate him more.

Tin Hats anyone?

You silly, silly man

complete nonsense and if anything the ufc has overhyped and bent over backwards for blackhouse fighters

That's complete b.s. Blackhouse has the best fighters. Overhyped? Who Aldo. Junior dos Santos. Anderson. Machida. You are a nuthugging rampage fan. He lost that fight. The whole card seemed fixed. That is the last PVV I will buy fir the ufc. Rampage himself felt he lost. The whole aggressive vs running away deal is a sham. I think you should gave to use "octagon control" to execute your plan. I think the third round said it all. That's when your gameplan matters. If you made it that far it's crunch time. The scoring of the ufc is an obvious problem. Machida won that fight without a doubt. I don't know how it could have been scored differently. There is an obvious bias by fans and the ufc to see brawlers come out and bang. It leaves something to be desired for people who know anything about fighting. Shogun machida was epic a tough call I think shogun won but at least it was close. That fight was not close just because he makes a better sale for the next fight or that he looked better than he has lately doesn't convince me he won at all. The fighter himself saying he lost speaks volumes. So does Dana scolding him for it like he has something to hide.

i have no idea what you where watching. the fight WAS close. i had rampage winning round 1 and 2, but my friend beside me had machida for the decision. rampage felt machida won due to him being on the bottom for the final round, the fight was close. ''the whole card seemed fixed''.. what are you talking about? name one fight (apart from rampage and machida) which you thought where fixed.

aldo - best fw

jds - 2nd best hw

a.silva - best mw

machida - top 5 lhw

big nog - one of the best of all time. not currently.

lil nog - OVERHYPED!

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/11/rampage-vs-machida-fightmetric-report.html



Oddly enough fightmetric was used to hate on anderson after he clearly won by stoppage...but no mention here. Just a bunch of anonymous posters claiming rampage did more damage based on nothing but ignorance.

Hughes Penn. Matt seemed pretty with it after being vishously ko d. The slow mo shows a pretty crappy shot towards the top of his head. They are also friends and soon to be training partners. Machida beat rampage with significant strikes by more than double. If you look at fightmetric and you consider how the fight ended and the number of whiffs rampage threw he lost. I am a machida fan but am more interested in seeing the sport evolve rather than become just a staged event. Dana was awfully quick to yell at rampage for saying machida won. Hmmm. No one I was with including rampage fans thought he won. We all take muay Thai and bjj together at the relson Gracie academy. Even our coach who fights in the wec though Lyoto was robbed.

I agree, something is not right. Looks like Rampage needed this victory to set up more lucrative PPV's. A rematch with Shogun would be a huge draw besides nobody wants to watch Shogun / Machida 3. Lets just face it no matter how good a fighter is, if they don't draw the fans they won't be headlining. A plan must be in place for a "bones" Jones/ Bader / Machida (gate keeper) fight.

The problem is the "Machida Era" is over. He did so well at first because noone could come up with anything to beat him, but the shock is over, Shogun showed a chink in the armor of Machida's style. He's too passive to win decisions and now hes too scared to push the pace/stand there and counter. In my opinion, Machida needs a new gameplan or he will be on a massive decline in the UFC. P.S. dont give me this "your a rampage nuthugger" bs cuz I am a Machida fan and hate to see it happening, but Im calling it like i see it

So why on earth did Shields get the BS decision over kampmann? He has to be the 1st fighter ever to win without actually landing any telling strikes or any submission attempts. I don't really buy the conspiracy theory to the judging. I just think the judging is awful and inconsistent.

You're not a machida fan...i hate how guys come in here and completely bash a fighter then they claim to be fans...especially when they are always "coincidentally" travelling wherever the bandwagon goes.



Bet penn is awesome now too huh?

lmfao u...are...an idiot.. There's a difference between a nuthugger and a fan. A fan realizes that their fighter has flaws and are not dumb to argue them but point them out. I am a fan of a ton of fighters but just cuz i'm a fan of them, it doesnt make me a moron and think they are invincible and have no flaws. I see flaws I call them. It's called realism. So sorry I dont follow your theme of nuthugger blind love of fighters. When Machida has a good fight, I'll say Good fight machida. When he has a shitty one im not gonna say "good fight machida". if me saying a fighter fights bad means im not a fan of them, then im not a fan of any fighter.

And yes Penns FIGHT was awesome. He came out and fought great. In his last 2 fights? no he fought terribly.

Heres a nice little tip for you: A fighter is only as good as his last fight. It shows their progression. And if u cant respect that then YOU ARE NOT A MMA FAN

once again complete nonsense i am a keith jardine fan but i could easily write a essay on the mistakes he has made and where he needs to improve

I guess you should write a fan hand book so all fans can get on board. Machida looked good to me. Looks like he won by fightmetrics point of view too. Rampage looked better than ever but that being said he still didnt win but then again he knows that doesn't he.

Guys like you jump ship constantly whenever you think it's suitable. I keep saying alot of MMA fans are unintelligent for that reason, while real fans are consistant. Is rampage a machida nuthugger because he thought machida won? Yea retard that's what i thought.



A fighter is only as good as his last fight? No retard, performance isn't the same thing as ability. It just shows lack of intellect to say "omg he suxx now!" one fight and jump on the exact same guys tip the very next fight.



But that's the bandwagon for you.

Machida only needs to change his style if the UFC continues with it's BS judging system. I suspect the powers that be want slugfests and pander to the blood hungry portion of fans. If you watch the fight as a 15 minute fight and not 3 5 minute fights, machida clearly won. Rampage clearly thought machida won so that speaks volumes. Machida don't need to change, it is the BS judging and scoring system that does.

im just saying its incorrect to not call me a fan of a fighter jsut for pointing out what i see as a flaw, thats pretty ignorant if u think ur fighter is perfect.

Everyone I've ta;lked to about the fight thinks Rampage won, Id like someone to tell me how machida won that fight, I saw nothing in the first two rounds that would have given Machida the round

The first 2 rounds were close. I personally gave Machida the first and Rampage the second. However, the simple reason I thought Machida won was over the 15 minutes he landed far better strikes, even rampage thought so too.



if the first 2 rounds were 10-9 rounds when there was little to choose between them, then the 3rd round should have been a 10-8 round as machida totally bossed rampage in that one.



I can understand how the judges awarded rampage with the current system and lack of differentiating between a close round and a dominant round, but that isn't machida's fault and if i had to put my money on who won that fight overall it would be Machida every time, just not by the UFC judging that's all.

Ummm i had the fight scored the same way as the judges, actually I was thinking Unanimous for Rampage, I'm sure Joe Rogan thought the same as Dana White and myself, so it's not as controversial as all the Machida fans think. Machida did nothing until the third round, cuz I'm sorry but throwing like 3 leg kicks in the first round doesnt mean you win it. Look at point scoring schematic. Rampage had octagon control and Machida was almost always moving backwards, that doesnt score points. Open your eyes, take away your bias and score the fight before you try and start this big Fixing Fight Conspiracy

Take a look at how many mire significant strikes machida had. He finished the 3rd a lot stronger and if there was a fourth it was pretty obvious what was going to happen. By the end of the second he was turning it on and starting to beat rampage. I think rampage being aggressive is not a way to score I'd he wasn't able to connect. He had to gearshift the whole fight. Not great fir a boxer. It's funny how machida du poorly in your eyes but it was a close decision victory. Why did rampage do so good then? Are you saying he is a crap fighter and that was his best performance?

I don't think if there was a fourth that it's an obvious win for machida at all. Rampage could have been completely restored by the next bell. What if round 1 was 10 minutes? What if round 2 was non-exsistant?

It was a close fight. Alot closer than Machida vs Rua 1 in my opinion. But a win is a win and Machida is deservedly 16-2.

I do think there should be 10-10 rounds, and I wish that was a 5 rounder.

I wish all fights were 5 rounders.

I dunno. I dont rele remember the shogun Machida fight that well but I do remember thinking, how the hell can you call that fight. This one I found myself thinking "Rampage won that one" so for me it wasnt THAT close, but had machida pushed a little harder in the opening round then he couldve won

I was at the fight! I saw Shogun a the judges table!

Winner of Fitch - BJ gets a shot at the title? BJ already been murdered by GSP, he better off at LW.

i hope if bj wins he gets shot at LW title

sooo the winner of fitch vs bj gets a title shot? did sheilds disappear or did i miss something?

I hope shields has disappeared lol

There are no such things as fixed fights. This is not pro wrestling. No fighter would let a guy beat him up.

No one was talking about it being a fixed FIGHT - they were talking about it being a fixed RESULT.



Also, I'm pretty sure someone logged into a few different accounts and refreshed his IP to weak my comment as much as possible because that was ridiculous - I echoed the sentiments of everyone in here yet no one got half the flack? Rampage nuthuggers, **** yourselves. What was there to disagree with? He's a bigger PPV draw. He's a better personality. George Sot should face higher competition than Siver because he's two seconds from a title shot and Siver is still coming up. Those are all facts.

Dude stfu lmfao u got weaked cuz ur a tard, that was not fixed results. If you know the point scoring system you would understand rather than judging a fight on the last minute of it. You must be a mainstream MMA fan that has no real idea about the judging. Also Denis Siver vs George Sot is great idea, both guys are heading towards a title shot, especially the way Siver handled Winner. Personally I'd give the fight to Sot unless Siver clips him. But I see Sot in the title fight relatively soon

Handled Winner with a CroCop style crap RNC? Didn't even cinch on the bicep, Winner should have been able to get out of that. Sot is on a seven-fight streak with seven impressive victories. It doesn't make sense for rankings, I'm sorry but Siver needs at least two or three more wins before he's in contention. Sot should be put up against someone who is at his seniority, someone with whom a number one contender's fight makes sense.



And I didn't say the result was fixed, I thought Rampage did take rounds 1 and 2 and Machida got the third. I said OTHER people were going on about it, I was correcting what that guy thought.



Trust me pal, I've been watching MMA for years, I play jiu jitsu and have cornered friends in amateur fights many, many times. Don't tell me I don't know what scoring is about. Read my comment and understand it before running your mouth, retard.

Fightmetric. Rampage didn't win x

Read the article posted here about 5 things we learned from UFC 123 and specifically the section on what's next for Sotiropoulous for something that exactly echoes my sentiments.

Siver? you serious Dana? 7-0 in the UFC, 14-2 career with 1 split decision loss, 1 DQ to Aoki (top 5), and now you are throwing him Siver who isn't even top 15? Meaningless fight.

EXACTLY THANK YOU!

When the hell did Siver become some top-five title contender??



Go Leafs Go.

how the **** would penn get a title shot, he just lost 2 in a row to a guy smaller than him and a lighter weight class, i know fitch is top ranked but holy **** dana white loves to **** ride these fighters who have been around this long, wow, how about showing some love to some new comers like shields or condit, even with a win over fitch penn does not deserve a title shot. especially losing to GSP twice already.

Shields lost his debut IMO and I will only watch another Shields fight if it is against GSP so i can see him get whooped. It is a sad day for MMA when a guy can land no telling strikes or submissions beats a guy who lands dozens of good punches, knees and elbows along with several submission attempts. Nothing personal against Shields, it is the system I hate.

all im gonna say is that if fitch beats bj, he better get his damn title shot, he already got screwed over after he beat alves, and thats bs how bj goes straight to the top of the division jus cause he beat hughes, the ww division isnt wat it used to be and bj will learn that fast

BJ Penn vs. Jon Fitch this should be main event... Omg cant wait....

how much longer will we keep having these debates? UFC if you want to be the best there is why do you have the worst scoring system and crap judges?