Dana White will break the silence soon when Scott Coker F*** him in the "business" sense of the word.
quit your low paying job, and stick to mma news than, ****.
the fact is, strikeforce is putting on more exciting fights than the ufc. try and poke holes by saying "oh they're all mismatches" or whatever other excuse you can pull outta you ass, but the truth is that the ufc(though it has the best roster) simply isn't comparing in the entertainment area and is going to have to step it up if strikeforce's fanbase keeps growing.
Yes, but some people also watch for the sport aspect of MMA... Not just entertainment. However, I do agree, watching 3 people in a row get the bejesus knocked out of them is entertaining.
yes i agree, and i get excited for fights like gsp vs shields simply because it is such an important fight between two great fighters, even though it's unlikley it will win fight of the year. regardless, it will be a fight between 2 of the best in the sport.
my point is that from an entertainment point of view, strikeforce is currently doing a better job. this is due to a lot of things. maybe because strikeforce has mismatches, maybe because ufc fighters are afraid of getting cut. hard to say. i'm just going by what i see and in the last 2 months or so, strikeforce's fights have been more entertaining.
this is mainly bc all of the finishes in strikeforce. the ufc has some good fighters and fights but alot of boring fights too(no offense.) i think its the 2nd straight strikeforce card with all main card fight finishes. that is amazing. IMO,
if the ufc put on the kind of mismatches i seen at hendo vs. babalu, then, seeing as ufc are the only organisation actually making the effort to try and legalize the sport in places like new york etc, the negative image that mma is a barbaric sport would be further fuelled and the critics of mma would get just the evidence they were looking for to campaign against it's legalisation
sorry but strikeforces 9 shows a year some with as little as three fights on the card come on kudos to strikeforce for putting out a great product and working hard to improve it but the ufc has nothing to worry about when strikeforce starts selling ppv consistenly around the 500K mark then ufc might start to sweat. when you consider they couldnt even get 500k viewers on a free show with 3 title fights on a major network during prime time.
I don't like it when Dana refers Strikeforce as "the smaller league". Sure it's a little bit of a smaller league but guess what. They go better heavyweights than the UFC and are growing pretty fast and getting new fighters.
not true. at all. sorry. nothing against strikeforce at all, but they are totally smaller, and do not have better HW's. Think about it. Theres a reason Jake Sheilds left SF for the UFC. all of this IMO of course. lol
SF has a better HW division, some top level LHW's, a weak MW division besides Jacare, a weak WW division besides Nick and a few others, and a strong LW division especially when they have Dream fighters competing for them. Obviously Dana is threatened by them, most MMA fans that are more than casual are interested in fights SF is putting on.
with Finishit as your name I expected you to like SF lmao ironic arent you?
I think Miller is a decent MW if I may add.
it could be argued that strikeforce has better top hw's than the ufc but as a whole their hw is not as good. the reason i say this is because it is too small they actually had too bring people into the organization so they could have a 8 man tournament. yes i know fedor overeem werdum barnett silva arlovski are great but who else do they have no up and comers no mid level guys just freakshows like walker and lashley
@Post Absolutly but you know this will be entertaining. There was a fight the was on the exact same night ufc had one(just here reciently) I tivo the showtime and went to the bar to watch ufc. The UFC had a night of slow action, lil lay and pray. I got home bout 2 am and started watching strike force. Every stinking fight was a quick KO. It was entertaining. Bunch of guys I didnt know from adam but my got they threw it to it and had a great show. Strike does what they do. They may not be the best but they are entertaining.
It is entertaining, but they play more towards entertainment then sport, UFC has fighters that want to prove they are the best, knowing that they are maybe one or two losses (in a row or just rly bad) from getting cut. because the UFC has so many other fighters deserving a shot. Putting big names up against people who fight towards their strenghts is entertaing yes (especially when the underdog wins *cough*fedor*cough) but ultimatly the UFC is trying to stick more towards pure competition. Wrestlers may give boreing fights once in a while, but if u love the SPORT then its still entertaing to look at tech. and watch the intri. details, if u love the SHOW then quick KO's happening often in one sided fights is more the speed u need, i personally love both so ill watch both. But at the top of this thread the only thing i was suggesting is that SF is a smaller org. than UFC. Entertainment value has nothing to do with any of that.
idk about all this HW talk i mean my favorite HW is JDS and i think he is top 3 or 4 at least IMO and cain and nogiuera mir carwin big country they all reeally good all strkeforce has is Overeeem who is ah beast and very exciting but UFC just has more talented heavy's. oh and forgot Fedor, yeah he's actually pretty exciting to, UFC HW needs Overeem and Fedor and they'd be the best HW divison over any other companyt. IMO
yes, most hardcore fans are interested, SOMETIMES, at the fights SF puts on. But no one in their right mind gets more excited and anticipates the SF cards as much as a really good UFC card. There's no comparison. And I know I'm as hardcore as it gets. Doesn't really matter if people weak my comment or disagree. People are just jealous of the UFC's wealth and success. Yes, sometimes SF has some interesting fights. But they don't have anything like UFC 126. Really all they have are their heavyweights, which are definitely not just a given that they are the best.
Not to mention Lawler and Kung Le. Kung might not be top ten but he is a good fighter.
...ha, Kung Le would get destroyed in the UFC, trust me.
I don't think SF has a stronger HW division, the UFC HW division is getting better than ever...but yes, they've got the most impressive HW of all time (Fedor).
*I agree with Dana on this one, Frankie inspires you man.
Only by the top 5 or so guys. He has excellent take down defence and world class striking. that combo makes him dangerous to anyone.
i don't like it either but strikeforce is no where near as big as the ufc, that is just a fact, i live in england and most of the people i know haven't even heard of the ufc and the ones who have only know about it becuse of guys like brock lesnar and dana white, so it will be a very long time until the average person heres about strikeforce.
i dont know what cupboard you live in,but i live in WALES,UK and we're cut off from 'the real world' more than ENGLAND...UFC is huge over here,no matter where you go there are shops like jd sports selling t-shirts,gloves,hell,even ARGOS are selling UFC gear now.
admitidly,its not as big as america but they've had a few years head start on us and the kids there get wrestling and now different martial arts as their sports program whereas we get rugby,football and athletics in the summer.
our way of schooling is so backwards its unreal,but anyway...
you need to look around more,just because you and 2 other friends you know might be the only people in your area that are 'into' ufc/mma doesnt mean the rest of britain isnt.
bravo (which has now gone as a channel recently) and the extreme chanel have been showing UFC,STRIKEFORCE & k-1 for years,its just you have proberbly stumbled upon it the past 6 months...its a good thing,mma as a whole is awesome
**** football (soccer to usa/canadians)
mma is where its at
i'm not saying that there are no fans here, cause there are, but i have lived in many citys in britain and mma is not huge over here,i'm not saying it won't be. and yes i know there are shops selling shirts and gloves but i have seen about 5 people wearing a ufc shirt since the shops started selling them. and i know alot of people who watch mma but most of them are just casual fans who would be able to name about 5 guys in the ufc, bravo and extreme channel don't show ufc, channel five show ufc about once every 3 months (they had the main event from ufc 63 on sunday ) the extreme sports channel shows strikeforce every now and then and stuff like cage warriors at about 1am. the ufc has been on many different channels over the years but it only lasts about 6 months until it changes or just disapears. and i'm sorry i don't need you to tell me how "awesome" mma is, i still own the ufc 1 vhs tape that i recorded when it was on pay per view in 93, so don't try and tell me anyting about mma.
They have A better heavyweight, not a better Heavyweight division. This is the same division where THE best (at least when he came to the company) guy in the division hasn't even fought for the title yet, fought two middle of the road fighters, lost to one of them, and now you've got a tournament where half the guys are coming off a lose, two of them have been popped for steroids in the not so distant past, and at the end of the day no matter who wins, the guy with the title is still walking out with the title and some new Grand Prix title is being made, and for what? So you can have another tournament with the same exact guys in it at another event? And that's just talking about the heavyweight division, we're not even mentioning the LHW division, I don't even know who the champion in that division is, the MM division that was ruled by a Welterweight who had to leave before someone else got the title, a WW division where the number 1 contender has no ground skills, fighting against a BJJ black belt that just submitted a guy who shouldn't have even been fighting for the title, and a LW division that would probably be the shining light of the company if the majority of the good fights in the division actually fight for another promotion. So yeah they got their Showtime deal and good for them, I want to see them do good, but wanting to see them do good and saying they are doing good now is two completely different things. Strikeforce, for all the potential in the world that it has is the No.2 promotion in MMA, and the stretch between those two companies isn't even close, Sarah Palin has a better chance of seeing Russia from her backyard than Strikeforce has of being considered on par with UFC.
coker is going too make big off dana whites mistakes such as letting henderson go etc! strike force will get bigger and bigger! i think coker is a better business man than white! strike force does have a lot of good heavy weights ! strikeforce will just keep adding go threw every division making it better .
Ok so you say all that about the SF HW division, but what makes the UFC's better? And for me I value experiance highly so thats why I think the SF division is better. This isn't boxing where you look at a fighers record and say they are young, talented and have few losses, so their potential is great. Or that a fighter with alot of losses on his record thats still in their prime can't put it all together and be successful. I don't wan't to list names and stack the SF and UFC HW's up against each other, but the safe bet would be witht the SF guys.
The reason we all know the UFC is better in every division, is because SF is where fighters go when they get cut from the UFC. End of story. UFC drops someone, and SF is happy to pick them up, simply because they are still famous. And that's all SF can offer right now. "Hey, we aren't the best out there, but you've seen these fighters before and many are veterans of the sport." Don't get me wrong, I'm glad SF exists. I don't like how easily fighters get cut from the UFC sometimes. And it's great they still have a place to fight. And SF will get better with their quantity of quality fighters, but at the moment, they are definitely a smaller league, which seems to be what this argument is about.
Fighting and combat sports in general are a hole other ball game compared to regular sports. Dana White wants the UFC to be the NFL of MMA, but I doubt that will ever be possible (see boxing). If it were the NFL of MMA you would not have any guys outside of the organization that could realistically come to the UFC and compete for the belt. Of course its the smaller organization, makes less money, is watched by less ppl ect., but they do have great (and more importantly entertaining) fighters. It's not always as simple as the best fighters end up in the UFC. What if Cain Valasquez would have started his career a bit later? He may have been an up and comer and future champ in SF, not the UFC.
Many fighters that get cut evolve into much better fighters. Personally I think Hendo didnt like Dana at all and was happy to leave. Until you see Overeem or Fedor or....fight the top ranked UFC HWs you cant say shit.
of the guys fighting in the sf tourney, only 3 have ever fought for the ufc before, and both werdum and arlovski chose to leave, they were never cut. barnett got stripped of his ufc title for roiding.
You know what? I'm a fan of "MMA" not a fan of an "organization"...wish people would follow my perspective and enjoy fights, no matter what channel it is on.
...some people should take all their bitching to the WWE, not our sport.
I agree with that totally but oten eply to the guys who like to bash SF and hang from the UFCs underwear.
Ah, the Dana White trademarked "I haven't thought about it they're too small time" line. Why am I not surprised thats all he had to say about it?
Dana is probably serious strikeforce puts on entertaining match ups but there little league as of yet. Give them 5 years if there still around they might have a stronger contingency of fighters. They currently are fairly lucrative for a few top level guys lke Diaz, "Jacare", fedor, maybe Big Foot nobody else in SF is really top level exept maybe Semtex if he diddn't have that childish outburst and learned to use his words he would be in the UFC ware the big boys reside. These guys compete in SF because the'll always be making money and none of them will be cut because theres not enough credible opponents to put them on a losing skid in SF.
I forgot the Reem he's the exception he's just a free spirit and doesn't want to be locked down. He does a great job at staying relevant by moving from org to org to face stiffer comp weather it be K1 or MMA. Hes just a warrior.
Soooo how long have I heard about SF going bankrupt? Im genuinely happy to see them progressing. Just wait Dana, you are your own worst enemy.
A majority of the best fighters today in the UFC were from Pride.
Anderson Silva, Shogun Rua, Rampage ...etc
Dana is just a douche ..
When did Dana White bash Pride?
All the time before zuffa bought it, now it was awesome all along.
Nice to see Dana not talking trash about Strikeforce in 1 interview
As SF becomes a bigger threat to UFC, Dana will bash publically even less because it makes him look like a **** to all those who watch SF including me. This all started when he said months back that he doesnt give a crap about what people on the internet say or think.
Here in Canada we have a type of guy called a "hockey dad". This is a guy who can't see the game accurately because his son is playing. Everything the coach, referee or other team does to his son isn't fair or good enough. His son is the best kid on the ice and no one else comes close. Dana is like a hockey dad. WAY proud of what his "son" has grown into. All other competitors are crap. It's a type of psychosis really.
Nice metaphor fellow Canadian.
Maybe in the USA you have "baseball dads", in England - "Cricket Dads", in Ireland "Rugby Dads", in much of Europe "Soccer Dads" etc. BTW, sometimes the "Hockey Moms" are worse. Every year some get arrested for beating up referrees.
cricket maybe more popular in england than it is most other countries but compared to other sports over here it isn't popular at all, we only tend to follow it if we are doing well at it.
Lol, I don't know where in Canada your from, but from my experience the Italian-Canadian hockey parents are the craziest, especially west-end GTA ones, vaughan, woodbridge ect.
I agree except Dana couldn't give less shit about his fighters, his children are green little pieces of paper.
I swear, people want sooo badly for there to be some sort of drama. Dana actually didnt really talk trash about Strikeforce and people are still trying to make something out of it.
Why is everyone getting so caught up on calling SF a smaller org? We dont even know what context he meant that in. Does he mean in terms of cash flow? They are definitely smaller in that sense. Does he mean a lower amount of top fighters? They are definitely lacking in numbers of top contenders as well (even to a point that they dont really have contender matches or true rankings). They have some good fighters but they dont have enough in each weight class, so they often have trouble putting together title matches that are not 1-sided.
Not hating on SF, I reguarly watch every event from every MMA org I can, including Strikeforce. But to be so desperate for drama as to analyze Danas every word and try to look for something - anything offensive - is just silly and sorta pathetic.
Well I'd suggest you need to learn to read between the lines, by ignoring SF's HW tournament he is trying to legitimize it. To me all this interview shows is just how terrified Dana really is, usually you can't shut him up about how terrible SF is and how angry he is about someone outside UFC could be considered number 1 but obviously here is is scared enough that he is trying a different strategy.
did you mean "de-legitimize"?
There is such a thing as "reading between the lines too much".
The HW tournament is a cool idea for a fan because we have not seen any good tourneys in the US in awhile, but lets not fool ourselves. Theres no risk of UFC losing the place it has atm. What does the UFC have to be scared of?
SF has a long way to go before they dethrone UFC, and to do that they would need at least 3x the amount of top competition they have right now.
Like I said before, people try to find drama everywhere.
"and they end up at the end with sombody perceived as a top guy, I love that shit"
Here we see a war between Dana's cutthroat competitiveness which wants to belittle Strikeforce and marketing smarts that tell him if he slams Strikeforce too much, he might cause fan backlash.
It is refreshing to hear a reporter ask a question that Dana might not like.
it's a completely logical statement though, there's only 3 fights to win in an 8man tournament, yet many are hyping this tournament as the way to decide the #1 hw... in 3 fights... which is ridiculous if you took the tournament format out of the equation..
Dana seems nervious. I don't believe him when he said "I have not thought about it". SF GP was one of the reasons why he got Brock back into the title shoot. I think that SF is doing a good job, slowly, but they are becoming a competitive organization. HW division is better than in the UFC, but they need to get the rest of the divisions deeper. LHW is getting better, but not yet as good as the UFC.
If he hasn't thought about it then he isn't doing his job very well.
Is Dana White the guy talking or the guy off camera, holding the microphone?
I didn't think anything he said was particularly bad. I kept waiting for him to trash talk, what he surely must realize is a big event and something all MMA fans will be watching, but...he didn't. Good for him; I'll give him some points for being, shall we say, guarded and a little respectful.
Is SF a "smaller" league or promotion? Yes. That's a fair statement. Does it boast some of the best heavy weights in the world? Yes. That is also a fair statement.
What is disingenuous about his statement(s), is when he says he "honestly hasn't thought about it at all". If he has not or is not, then he's not doing his job as head of The UFC. Strictly speaking as a business matter, Dana should always be aware of what the competition is up to; let alone when they put on a huge tournament, featuring (at least) three of the best HW's in the world; come on.
Andrei Arlovski lost all three of his last fights(TKO,KO and Decision)
Brett Rogers got KO'ed,TKO'ed,and won his last fight by beating a guy with a
Josh Bannet is a scumbag steriod abuser 3x champion discrace
And to be honest I didnt know who Sergei Kharitonov was untill like a week ago
Well the fact that you didn't kno who Sergei was kind of shows how limited your knowledge of MMA is.
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only one way to resolve this ufc vs sf HW. lol. :)
fedor vs velasquez
reem vs dos santos
barnett vs carwin
and lesnar vs lashley for the wwe HW championship
and Werdum vs Mir in BJJ :D
I don't think I have ever seen Dana White this scared of Strikeforce before, I mean he is so frightened that he doesn't dare even speak his mind on the topic becuase he doesn't want to increase the hype around the event. And if Dana isn't worried about this tournament then Zuffa, you really need to find a new President for the UFC since Dana has obviously lost it.
Yeah, because this tournament alone is going to immediately dethrone UFC and make Strikeforce the #1 MMA company in the world. He should be prepared to cut his losses right now!
На сегодняшний день СФ в супертяжелом весе является лучшей организацией. Здесь даже спорить не надо. А вот в рекламе своих боёв СФ уступает UFC. У Даны хорошие спонсоры и менеджеры. У него бизнес поставлен на поток. Но в имении качественных и стоящих бойцов UFC не лучше других организаций ММА. А в некоторых позициях даже позади.
Я не знаю, что я хотел бы сказать UFC бойцы за другим в некоторых областях, но то, безусловно, гораздо меньше разница в мастерстве между основными орг чем то, что некоторые фанаты думают.
Согласен. Некоторые фанаты идут на поводу у рекламы. Они не анализируют ранее проведенные бои. Им сказали что ОНИ лучшие, так они и думают. Фактически реально бойца можно оценить по двум критериям: 1- с какими бойцами он встречался(уровень подготовленности , рейтинга и участия в боях);2-результаты боев(победа-проигрыш).
mr.white loves to bash the competition
Tournaments beat TUF every time.
LOVE ME SOME DANA TIERS....... MHUAHAHAHAHAHAHA -
At least strikeforce champs fight.
well Dana critisized Strikeforce for not being able to have their fighters fight with eachother. Now that Strikeforce is doing something about that and hold a Tournament, Dana has no reason to critisize Strikeforce for that. "Good for them" is somewhat showing praise.
I think this tournament will prove the number 1 HW in the world, contrary to what Dana said.