Dana White: Frank Mir has no heart

i think dana is right, some time frank does talk to much and doesn't deliver that cro cop fight was atrocious

I think Dana is wrong, did his heart shrink when Brock nailed him in the first fight? No Mir subbed Brock, Did it shrink when he had a near fatal bike crash? No he came back to win the heavyweight belt. Dana is just sore that his promotion is churning out boring fights constantly. He has been cursed since UFC 100. Its karma for killing pride

I thought other than the Mir fight it was a good card. It is not fair to blame the other guys who had really, really good fights. Sherk-Dunham was awesome

Dana White is a DOUCHE BAG. The sooner fans realize that the better off MMA will be.

Dana has never fought a day in his life and wants nothing more than to be famous.

He claims he cares about fans, but that's just bullshit - its about money and his ego. Otherwise all fights would be free on Spike and they could just take ad revenue.

Also, what kind of a MAN is on Twitter offering free tickets to people who stroke him off at mall appearances? A LOSER aroebics instructor who got his job simply by knowing rich people.

If we really want to be critcal about how hard people work ... look at the line up for UFC 120 ... whoever put that pice of shit together should be fired!! that's Dana.

Mir's doing his job, Dana do yours! (Which seems to be giving hand jobs to rich people to get jobs you don't deserve).

Dana is worth 200 Million and still turns out a big crybaby when fightts don't go the way he wants them to go, LOl. Wtf is wrong with these people! Talking shit like that about his own fighters. They should sue the hell out of him for punitive damages! ****ing harrassement! WAR MIR!

Hey dipsh!t, joe silva makes the match ups not dana white. just becuz u were probably one of those moron that actually took dana serious and tried to stroke him for tickets, dont mean u gotta hate on the guy who helped make mma as mainstream as it is. Dana white is entitled to his opinion just like u or me. Did Mir get fired after that? no, dana just said his opinion. That being said do I agree Mir has no heart? not at all, pple have down days, and ufc 119 was mirs day. Oh and btw, UFC 120 is gonna be an exciting card, just cuz it doesnt have "elite" names on it doesnt mean anything. Get ur head outta ur a$$

Joe Silva does make all of the match-ups, Dana is simply the spokes person, if he says a certain fight is being put together, it's because Silva said it first. And it's interesting that you would say Dana doesn't care about the fans, then turn around and point out that he gives out free tickets over twitter and that somehow doesn't count as caring about the fans, but to you all the fights should be free, and I suppose ad revenue is supposed to pay the cost for setting up the Arena's, buying the Arena out for the week to set everything up, do the press conferences and all that stuff, and lets not forget pay the fighters as well, I'd think between looking out for his business and his fighters first and looking out for fans, of which people like you are unfortunately included in, he's pick the former.

if you look at Dana from the old days he was the little guy who nobody respected, when he took chuck to pride and chuck got destroyed by rampage.. I remember his voice was cracking like he was about to cry like a little boy.. Dana went from being someone people walked over to a arrogant egocentric idiot.

Then stop watching the UFC, seriously Stop Watching! bet you won't last 3 months.

pride fc



chuck also KOs overeem

Giving away tickets in person is EGO DRIVEN.

dude whatever. the ppv money goes right in his pocket. tell me how lawler and babalu both made over 100k fighting for what bitchass dana calls bush league on a wed night on a local event on showtime and how the f carwin makes only 40k for fighting for the hw belt in what was considered the biggest ufc of all time. everything dude said is true. mma will be much better off without dana getting his cut on everything. oh and the ea sports mma game is gonna make the crappy ufc game look like the crappy game it is. let me guess, ea sports doesn't think mma is a sport right?? get off dana's nuts the guy got more than enough for his efforts. use your damb head ea sports probably didn't wanna work with dana cause he's a douschebag. the Zuffa owned ufc model sucks. it does fans no favors. yet fanboys still line up to get crap stuffed down their throats. i missed ufc 119, only watched the mitrione fight and stayed up for dream cause i'm not a dumbs fanboy see i like the sport and want to see everyone get taken care of. jake shields signed to ufc for less money. good. strikeforce didn't even want him.

If DW's handing out free tickets it's only cos he aint sold them.

If you believe Joe Silva makes all the match ups - you're an IDIOT.

It's that simple.

You've been served "Warcrazed" ...

no obviously certain title matches are outta his hands, but yes joe silva is the man responsible for the match ups, and if thats your biggest rebuttle u got, i see im wasting my time even trying to talk some sense into you, lol big paragraph written and ur response is something that u have no factual support of and then to say ive been "served". I believe mommy's got a tissue for u thats calling your name

Stop crying.

Be a man - you were wrong - you admitted it, now move on.

You’ve been served two times now.

This is getting embracing for you ...

Do you know how to count, first of all... Served twice? Your first attempt was weak and this second attempt you speak of is none existent. If you would read above, other people have agreed with me that Joe Silva makes all the fights, so in fact its you who have been "served" countless times now. So please point out where I was wrong.

Second of all "This is getting embracing for you.." uhm are you trying to ask me for a hug, or is your use of the english language just pathetic?

You should probably scamper back into your fecal deficated room, turn on the WWE and jerk off to one of their "fighters"

I will be in my fecal deficated room,watching WWE jerking off to one of their "fighters" - so?

You are still wrong - Dana matches fights.

Eat a hot bowl of ****s!

You've been served 3 times now.

STAY DOWN.

WWE IS BOMB...or atleast WWF was

Man I would have to bet Dana has something to do with some matchups. It seems like he has his hand in everything.

Mohawk, I think the word you were looking for is embarassing. not embracing.

Oh and I thought it was pretty cool that Dana gave tickets away like that but I definitely think he is an attention whore.

UFC 116 was the shit!!! best event this jear!!!

but yes i miss the pride days!!!!

116 and 117 were pretty damn good events actually

117 was wild....

Agreed. Personally, there were only a couple events that I felt were sub-par. This one being the most so. However, I feel as tho fans have gotten very spoiled. I have nothing but the utmost respect for those guys getting out there and putting it all on the line.

HOW do u think that card was worse than 118? or even 114? sure there were a lot of decisions but i thought it was very exciting too...serra lytle, dunham sherk and even guilliard stephens had its moments

My intentions weren't to necessarily compare cards. Each event has its own ups and downs. My real intention was to say that even tho some are better than others, they are all pretty awesome. There was a time when these events were banned all together and watching one of any quality at all was a privilege. Now it seems like fans have gotten spoiled because the "market" has become a bit saturated. While we are still waiting for the next UFC type power promotion, we have Strikeforce, Bellator, Dream, K-1, MFC, Shark Fights, Moosin, KOC, etc etc etc... It just seems as if some people's expectations have become irrationally high.

@Joey_Santosus SEE THIS IS WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT!! The internet and the sport needs more ppl like you that have a damn brain b/w there ears and dont just say sh#t like they no what there talkin bout and everybody else thats just as dumb as them and click sharp. win you talk I feel like I dont have 2 lol.

i agree

agreed, we have never seen great fights like we did in pride..

that business is no different than any other, your only as good as your last fight. nothing personal its just business is the attitude that Dana takes

I think he might be right but I can't be sure since he repeatedly want's to step in with a guy who demolished him.

Excellent point falcon.

Frank Mir is the first one who feels disappointed by his perf. Bad night, it happens to every fighter. I dont hear Dana white talking like that to BJ Penn. Mirko is also to blame. He threw two miserable kicks and showed zero aggression. At least Mir got a KO and finished the fight.

My point exactly. on paper it was a KO finish. BJ vs Edgar went on 10 rounds in total and not 1 word from Dana. he is just shifting blame

Yeah atleast Mir didn't **** horse like Andersin threw 112....

that's a bit harsh.

i understand you had a shitty card dana,but its not all mir's fault.

Dana really ought to get in the ring these days. He's as bad as the super-ignorant mouthy idiot fans the sport caters too as far as omg you didn't win the right way!!"

well,i agree with you and i don't. I think its very hard to get a win in an exciting fashion every time when you fight on this level.if you get on the losing streak you are out of the UFC.thats some serious pressure.

but on the other hand,i don't really like fighter that play into rules too much,and do only what's enough not to lose the fight.and if i didn't see this fight,i would never put mir in that category.

personally i think mir was kinda surprised with that KO.That knee looked like natural thing to do when you are breaking apart from your opponent,and it happened to catch him the right way.I might be just talking rubbish,i dont really know that much about it...

I don't like Mir but Dana is showing his ass here ... again.

Yea it was not needed. He might of said it to motivate Frank...... but I doubt it.

I didn't think about that. You could be right.

I completely agree with Dana, as soon as a fight isn't going Frank's way he's done. If Mirko had just thrown a few kicks and was more active Frank would have broken.



Love him or hate him you see a guy like Lesnar who takes that beating to Carwin he gets up with a smile on his face and keeps fighting. Frank Mir gets hit two or three times and he folds up like a lawn chair.

for starters wat ever he says b4 a fight is irelevant. has nothing to do with the fight wats so ever. second frank said he highly respected cro cop and every one respects the kicks. for like 2 and a half rounds he netrulised cro cop to wat 1 kick and then finished with a knee :L can u ask for more? i understand it wasnt entertainment but its a sport if man utd win a cup final 1-0 in a boring performance the crowd who supports united are still happy.

word.

I think frank just didn't want to take any risk

In a way tho I think he's lost more by putting on a boring fight for 12 mins. If he wants to continue getting big pay checks hes gotta be more entertaining then that.

I think the bad fight was more franks fault then mirkos. Frank was taking the fight to the cage. Mirko could really defend against that. but franks wasnt really taking advantage of having mirko on the cage. So in that respect he failed. Id say the same thing about Mirko with his stand up. because he wasnt landing much. mirko wasnt directing the pace of the fight and frank was. Thats why I fell is more frank mirs fault.



I think Dana has a right to say that in regard to this fight. But we've seen a few good shows from frank he's clearly capable. But dana gave frank a big opportunity here to show off as a card headliner and frank didnt take advantage.

Dana has to come to the octagon himself and fight. We would see what shape his heart is. He has no heart.

Dana, so easy to judge his own fighters, but too much a pussy to step in the octagon.

And how many "legit" fights have you had? in a ring not on a street. if u answered none, then ur just as bad as dana.. if u have then fine lol talk all the smack u want

Like you would believe me anyways...the point IS "Im not bashing my fighter who just won his match" saying he has no heart. After some of Mir's beatings, I dont know how you can say that.

because mir talks so much, thats the reason...mir doesnt know what humility is...anytime you see 'respecting' a fighter its either because hes already beaten them and hes basically pointing out how good he is, or if hes been beaten so bad he has no choice but to say they did well (ala brock at 100)

lol all i was trying to say (and it wasnt directed personally at you UrHype) but its easy for anyone (myself included) to sit behind a keyboard and say "well why dont u try and step in that cage and fight" when half of the pple on these forums wouldnt even think about getting into that cage but will sit here and say "Ya this fighter has no heart" or "this fighter doesnt know what he's doing"

Ur -



The sense you make these days. To say I am impressed, would be an understatement.



Your point about Mir and the beatings, is on point. How can anyone question the man's heart. And on top of it, he'd take fights with the same two animals, again. If you told Mir he could fight Lesnar or Carwin, next month - he'd do it. I have no doubt; and probably take the same beating(s). How could that be criticized?



I think the Dana White has no heart.

@WingChun



No soul. He has no soul. Haha I kid.... but really...

Stand in front of one of the most feared strikers in the modern era and see if that doesn't affect you. Dana would soil himself if he was standing in front of CroCop.

@ Bruce Lee - (AKA "The Modified One" / AKA "Possibly Michale Bisping")



...And to think - I nearly couldn't stand you. Thank you for being so proficient, in your modification, Mr. Lee; change of undergarment, on that one.



Once again, you claim my "sharp" vote.

What's with all the cyber-dry-humping of certain members? You got 10 days to live or something?

Frank did what he thought was right. He stayed away when possible but when he closed the gap he neutralized his wrestling. It may not have been an exciting balls to the wall fight but theres alot of other fighters that do the same thing...Have an off night or a lack luster fight, BJ twice, A.S. multiple times, but kno shit talk to them. Idk i dnt like Mir but he deserves praise for actually wining the fight.

Okay, here is the issue. I was talking to this female customer at my job who was buying a tap out t-shirt for her son. I was very excited. Mostly because it is nice to find someone in real life who likes mma. We talked about several things, but one thing that popped up is that she dislikes how much mir talks. She likes a fighter whose actions speaks louder than their words.



Bottom line, mir came into this fight being the bad guy with very mild trash talk. Dana and company most likely wouldn't be so hard on him if this didn't occur, but this is just one of many factors as in why this situation is happening.

Dana should just shut his mouth

Im surprised he can talk at all being on Mike Tyson's nuts so much lately.

I agreed with the no KO bonus for Mir, but I think Dana White is taking this too far now. First of all, plenty of fighters have fights that are sort of boring once in a while (except Fedor and a few others). Second, it is pretty clear that Dana is just trying to shift blame to Mir for the main event. To be honest, I'm a huge Cro Cop fan, but I think it is also partially his fault. It is more Mir's fault for constantly bringing it to the boring cage clinch game and not doing anything with it, but CC also didn't do much when they were standing.



In addition, Frank Mir was the ONLY fighter on the main card to actually finish the fight!

@ Moots



When you say - Frank Mir was the ONLY fighter on the main card to actually finish the fight!



Are you referring to Mir's knockout? The one MMA Connected referred to as "What a knockout"? The only KO of the night? The one that could be easily referred to as "Knockout of the Night", (simply) because it was the only KO, that night? And you mean the card where no knockout bonus was given, correct?



If so - I agree with your raising that point. I (also) appreciate the fact that you capitalized ONLY and used an exclamation point at the end, indicating your excitement at recalling Mir's knocking out of Cro Cop .



I am, however, withholding your "writing" bonus, because I didn't really enjoy your post...until the end...of your post. :-) That last bit about Mir being the only guy to finish a fight that night, was amazing. It made sitting through the rest of it, worthwhile. I guess, sometimes, you have to wait to the very end of something to see if it was any good or exciting; lesson learned on my part.



All in all - excellent post Moots.

Nicely done!

@ Nun





Thank you, Nun. The comment is greatly appreciated.



WC

Bravo WingChun - I laughed at that. From some points of view, it may appear that I am being contradictory towards some of my other posts, however, the more astute reader will realize that I still stand by my previous statement that performances are bonused - I never disagreed that Mir KO'd Cro Cop. I think it is also clear that I am seeing this from both sides of the issue.

@ Moots - (AKA "Point")



Thank you Moots - it was meant to be tongue 'n cheek. I am glad it made you laugh; it was intended to.



And agreed - the more astute readers will be able to understand the dynamism of your statement; the ebb and flow of it (all). That is not to say that your statement(s) is / are capricious, though.



If I may though, Sir - what are the less astute readers to make of your posts; the less "gifted" ones? Are they to starve on the vine? Are they to go Moot-less?



May I suggest - two versions of your posts; one for the astute and one for the...shall we say, less astute or the "blue bus" crowd.



Concluding - Moots, I enjoy your posts and whether or not I (or maybe anyone else) can figure them out, is really a - Moot Point. :-)



Cheers,



Wing Chun

I guess only a select few will join in our revelries - like the intricacies of a science or the hidden meaning of a transcendent literal work, not everyone can enjoy.

@ Moots - (AKA "Point")



LOL!!



Excellent, Moots.



All your posts should so linguistically resplendent; if for no other reason, then to help me bare the burden of (not) being the only ###&&&& on this site, that writes this / that way.



Point, I shall reconsider your writing bonus - upon the authorship of your next Frank Mir post. If it's exciting...and from beginning to end...and is decisive...then you may entrust in my benediction; as assuredly as you may ascribe the word F**K, to Dana White.



Cheers,



Wing Chun

I'm glad you had fun. I look forward to our future deliberations.

How f**kin' cheesy are you two? lol

Bottom line is Mir still finished the fight. The fact that he could not take Cro-Cop down is a credit to Cro-Cop, not a discredit to Mir. I am not a big fan of Mir's, but give the guy a break, he's had some great fights and some great finishes against top opponents. White is just pissed that some of the fights were a little lackluster, and needs to point the finger at someone. With this level of competition it would be ridiculous to think that every fight will be extremely entertaining from the start and have a fantastic finish.

@ CageRage - (AKA "The Indefatigable)



I agree 100%, CR. This is just a bitch fest, because the card (overall) was boring (only 1 KO...Frank's) and now Mir is wearing it; simply because he was main card and last fight.



What about Guillard / Stephens? That fight was promoted by how much they hated each other...what a war it was going to be and it was a bust. Why doesn't Dana say something about that fight?



As to the talk - all fighters do it; most fighters don't deliver on it. That is my experience, with what I've seen and heard of "trash talk' and pre-fight rhetoric. Why is Mir so special, as to deserve centering out?



Dana White is a bonus withholding - bitch. One who has no honor.

The more I learn of DW - the more I find him to be a limited thinker and a guy who has (simply) benefited from the break given him, when his friends the Fertita brothers bought and handed him, the UFC. That truly does seem to be the big accomplishment of his life - beneficiary of benefactors. And lets face facts, it wasn't even his / their idea; it was a Gracie idea, first; no original thinking, there.



Take the Fritita brothers away from White - and he's just another MMA enthusiast and LowKick poster; screen name - Wanna-Be



And to Frank Mir, if he somehow sees this - Great knockout, Frank. What an exciting finish. To quote MMA Connected's description of it (on Sportsnet's web site) "What a knock out".

It's true that neither fighter had much drive in that fight, but Dana just wants to point his finger at someone else.

Styles make fights. When you really think about it Mir/Cro Cop was was a poor match-up. Cro Cop was nervous about throwing kicks at a guy that could twist him into a pretzel on the ground and Mir was smothering him up on the cage because he was nervous about being on the end of Crop's fist. I think Shirk/Dunnam made that whole card. Those guys did exactly what Shirk said they would do. Met head on in the center of the ring. What a GREAT fight that was. And a shout out for that submission of the night!!

I know you guys covered the hell out of the issue, and very well too. But count me in anyway. Dana is the most fickle boo bird fan out there with the only difference being he has the power (misplaced?) to punish fighters (i.e., no KO bonus, cut them etc.) on a whim and also that his bitchingness doesn't go to his buddies in the bar, it goes on that damn twitter account which then circles the globe 7 time in 2 seconds. How many fighters does/has Dana had beef with? And so many times it's not contract or business stuff, it seems like's he's out to make it personal every time. Either in a good way or a bad way.

The only thing I can say is with all the hugfests that have been going on, Dana should be glad that Frank actually finished the fight.

@ JPG23 - (AKA "The Wise" / AKA "The World's Most Interesting Man")



World's Most Interesting Man - truly you are not only wise, but profound, as well.

I must confess that one of the things I like most about Frank Mir is his calm demeanor - unflappable. He can be walking into the lion's den (Not the Ken Shamrock one but a real one) and look calm, cool and collected. I am sure he will care as much about Dana's comments as he does about a fart that slips out during a big bench press.

@ Bruce Lee - (AKA "The Modified One" / AKA "Possibly Michale Bisping")



...And to think - I nearly couldn't stand you. Thank you for being so proficient, in your modification, Mr. Lee; change of undergarment, on that one.



Once again, you claim my "sharp" vote.

you would think Dana White would understand that you can't just run through every opponent as if there tissue paper..... Frank was not trying to get hurt by a so-so old but still dangerous mirko crocop... Frank won by knockout without getting injured

what else could you have asked for

Dana White is a good business man but he's not a fighter.

He has done a lot for MMA and that should be appreciated but I hate it when he says stuff like "Frank has no heart" or "Kenny chokes".

Talk business Dana but not about what it takes to be a fighter it means as much as you criticizing a football player.

People complain when fights go to decision... People are now complaing when there's a knockout...



Come on! If you're in a fight and you respect the other fighter... you'd be a moron to go balls to the walls and put yourself in a compromising situation. They both needed the win and thats why it was a little slow starting... Mir still finished the fight!



I don't even like Mir... but you gotta give the guy some props!

I agree with Dana, getting in a lucky punch at the end of a very boring fight does not make up for it. And I don't agree that it was CroCop that made it a boring fight, Mir was the one who just wanted to hug against the cage for 12 min and unfortunately it was CroCop really going after Mir that got him caught.

I don't know if this relates, but didn't Aldo's muy thai right counter-knee to Manny's chin look familiar? That's because it's the same shot that Frank finally knocked Cro Cop out with. Since Aldo is now all the talk for P4P, and he's copying Mir, then I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to Dana, demanding an apology.

DW is an astute businessman. He is also an egocentic ****head who fails to engage the grey matter between his ears when his mouth works.

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