Yeah Cain can do if he doesn't let Brock get on top off him
cain trains at aka, hes a div 1 with bjj skills and hes fast so....who knows
Cain V can definitely beat Brock. He has a way better cardio than Shane, he is good on the ground and he can also bang with the best of them.
If his cardio is better than Sapp's Brock will have another nightmare.
NO, NOPE, NAH, NO WAY JOSE
I don't care for Brock too much, but if he can avoid submissions against Mir like in their 2nd fight and can take punches from Shane Carwin, Cain doesn't stand much of a chance.
I don't know who would win that fight but I definetly hope there is a rematch of Carwin and Lesnor as i feel Lesnor was lucky to win and Carwin unlucky to wait on the ref stoppage in round 1. Look at brendan vs Chris fight they waited a couple of seconds when the heat was on and stopped the fight and they lesnar take half a round of abuse with no stoppage and to the demise Carwins precious cardio stash. Carwin is a brock beater in my books and I hope he gets a rematch soon enough.
Mir can't wrestle. Wrestling + BJJ = better chance than Mir
Cain dosn't hit harder the Carwin, Nor is he a better Wrestler, and giving up abouut 50 pounds of weight. I don't see Cain winning this fight.
better wrestler? Carwin didnt even trap Brocks leg on his back, which is mma basics. Anyone who trains mma learns that. Brock may be able to bull doze Cain and get g n p victory, but its only his size that gets him win. If they were equally matched in size Brock would lose badly as he has little skill. Last night showed what a load of BS all this hype around these two guys really is.
I can't believe so many can't see how in terms of mma skill both are majorly lacking. Carwin will probably beat Brock next time around if he learns from this but they both have lots to learn about mma from last nights performances, maybe they will in tiime, but as demonstrated both are very beatable.
LOL ANOTHER TARD THAT DOESNT WATCH MMA JUST LIKES TO RUN HIS LITTLE MOUTH.
Cain suprised me how he has controled huge guys in the ring. when you see his fights you will realize his wrestling is superior.
I actually agree with that statement. Even in the win by Brock, I thought it pointed out a lot of holes in both fighter's games. No I'm not saying both fighters are horrible. I know how everyone likes to read into these comments. Brock looked like he could be overwhelmed on the feet which I didn't really think was possible before last night. His shot isn't that fast. With Carwin, he wasn't smart in picking his shots which was probably due to inexperience. Before the Lesnar supporters start attacking read the other comments. I gave him his respect. He fought a good fight.
If cain can keep it up! or take him down yes! Cain's Cardio is the best at Heavyweight
honestly no, Cain is one of my fav fighters and I thought he could but after tonite I doubt he can, size alone matters and idk how Cain will be able to get Lesnar off him when Carwin couldn't and Lesnar has a great chin so I don't see him getting Ko'd if Carwin couldn't do it Cain doesn't have a better chance
Carwin was gassed. Cain won't be.
I'm sure he could, but Cain has a big weight disadvantage, I hope he doesn't get screwed by it....
Well One thing is For sure . Cain has 5x more stamina than Brock so ya his got a good chance
Lesnar was exposed, I have a hard time thinking of how he could beat the likes of fighters like Overeem and Fedor
i actually laughed when i read your comment you are right brock was exposed we saw that his chin was exposed and found to be granite his heart was exposed and found to be strong and we exposed his evolving mma game by seeing a sub i am a huge fedor fan but if i was to be honest i would give fedor about a 20% chance to beat brock as far as overeem is concernd with high quality victories over such top talent as fujita buenetello and rogers it is really hard to see how anyone could beat him
one punch and lesnar curled up into foetal position. If Carwin had not rushed the job he'd have finished him easy. Imagine what Fedor would do!!! Yes his chin is good, but his all round mma isn't and neither was carwins.
If anything last night is PROOF that UFC HW division isn't everything DW wants us to believe it is. Clumsy meathead who rely purely on size and power, but are lacking any real depth of skill, even struggling with the basics.
honestly as much as i like velasquez, no i dont give him any chance...hes not a better wrestler than lesnar this much we know, but after tonight we also know that lesnar has a savage chin and if he can withstand an entire round of carwin beating on his face, then the skys the limit really...i honestly believe lesna will beat cain and jds and his next challenge will come when carwin gets another pop at him
oh heeeeell no!!!
if cain puts on 50 pounds of muscle and lose some fat ya he can..... but if not brock is gunna poll a frank mir on his ass
Totally. Cain is smaller, but his cardo is famous and his newer stand up game is great. If Couture could bully Lesnar there's no reason to think someone else can't based on size.
I think we can rule out the "glass jaw" factor on Lesnar though ...
Wear him down with peppering shots from the outside and see where it goes in the later rounds would be my advice.
cain definately has better standup... but lesnar is just way too explosive and big for him... i think jds and carwin, when he gets the rematch, hav the best chances in the ufc
Brock Lesnar has improved alot
He submitted Shane which i thought was really surprizing.
Well if Cain can defend takedowns for 5 rounds and outbox Lesnar for a decision. Thats the only outcome i see so far.
Diggin the blue thunder article picture.
Yes and I'm not just saying that. Cain will be relentless and fight at a pace to fast for Brock. I'm never counting Brock out again though. But the question was CAN he win. Yes Cain can win.
I think Cain can keep it standing. I have seen nothing impressive about Lesner's wrestling. When he faces other wrestlers he has problems. Randy and Carwin both out wrestled Lesner. Randy got caught and Carwin blew his load too early but the both negated Brock's wrestling. He is a decent wrestler but not amazing or even all that good. Cain is bigger than Randy, has better boxing than Randy and has WAY better stamina than Carwin. He can't hit as hard as Carwin but he can do it for five rounds. In Lesner V Cain I would have to bet on Cain winning via TKO. Remember people, even though Carwin hits harder, a punch on the ground gets partially absorbed by the ground and standing punches get absorbed by your body. Case in point, Cain V Congo looked a lot different than Cain V Big Nog.
I think Cain can keep it standing too but I don't think he will. I think Cain can get a lot of points by taking Brock down. I don't think he can keep Brock down but I still think Cain will take him down a lot. The fight last night proved Brocks shot isn't the greatest. I think Cain will be too fast in the early rounds and Brock won't be able to take him down early. I would be worried for Cain on the feet. Lesnar isn't the best striker but I think it would only take one hard shot from him to drop Cain. I think Cain's best option is to fight like Rashad did against Rampage and he is fully capable of doing that.
at 240 no chance in hell,like vince mchanon would say,hahahahaha
but cain has great cardio and a great chin,so u never know.
I see Cain doing exactly what Carwin did but will it be enough his striking is better than Carwin but Carwin is stronger than Cain and has more power. He's got a HUGE task ahead of him
Kudos to that ref 9 times out of 10 that fight get's stopped when guys just cover up like Brock did.
i like to seen Mir's face when he seen the fight HAHAHA
It depends Cain has the better stand up and is the more technical striker I think he has the advantage standing up but,Lesnar has big Power in those fist of his,wrestling wise they are both excellent and both are division 1 wrestlers but I would proably give it to Lesnar because of his size but then Cain has awesome cardio...But I think i'll lean towards Cain Velasquez due to his better striking :)
When has Lesner out wrestled a wrestler in the cage? Never.
His amatuer wrestling record is 106-5 i"m sure he can proably out wrestle Cain because of his pedigree and his superior size and strenght
NOWAY! Cain doesnt have anything for Brock. He will get man handled.
The only thing I can see cain winning by is a decision. Maybe he can finish if brock gases. Cain can't hit as hard as carwin and lesnar just proved tonight he has a chin. Cain is also giving up a lot of weight.
I'm confident his cardio is better than carwin's and brock's. His wrestling is excellent and he knows some bjj, but don't be fooled people. He is no where near as good as mir. Cain's a purple belt, mir is a black belt.
If they were to fight right now. I would be picking Brock by Submission (Smother) Round 1.
Very admirable and I agree. With all things considered, the Cain match will be a better opponent in certain ways. Carwin was an excellent test in terms of size and strength, but Lesnar is on another level athletically. With that said it goes right back to what people have been saying all along, Brock has the athleticism and agility of a lighter man. That is where Cain will come into play... He has better cardio and athleticism, BUT that is probably because he is smaller than Carwin... So Brock really just has that advantage that most other heavyweights have never had. Typically its one or the other, whereas Brock falls somewhere in between.
Brock didn't expend as much energy as Carwin so of course Carwin will look bad in the second round but look at the absolute dominant power and technique used by Carwin in the first which would have been stopped in 9 out of 10 fights. Carwin=unlucky, Lesnar=lucky.
Lesnar I thought was lucky but Carwin wasn't unlucky. He only has himself to blame for not finishing that fight. I thought the ref was going to stop it but he didn't because Carwin's ground and pound got softer and softer.
Nah you gotta give Brock some credit even tho you don't like the guy. He might of got his ass kicked in the first round, but he came in strong in the second and got the submission. I really didn't like him but now I see he is a lot more humble guy so ya I respect a lot more. As for Cain I don't see him beating Brock.
He didn't come in strong, Carwin came in whacked out. didnt even try to stop mount once on his back, he tried nothing whatsoever. Anyone could have subbed Carwin in that state.
Hell yea he can n he will stick n move,stick n move he'll end up catching him ask 'big nog'
Cain Valasquez just needs to go in and out stick and move pepper Brock for a round or two which he can do becuase of how technical he is and how good his footwork is. After that one of two things will happen, Brock will get tired and Cain will capitalize or Brock will get frustrated and rush in and Cain will catch him or get a takedown of his own.
Anything can happen! 25 lbs is a big difference in weight though/
as much as I want to see Brock lose, no.
Can he? yeah. Will he? who knows.
I like Cain but the size will be a big factor .imo
Why should Brock be Humble?
dont think cain has the power to knock lesnar out and if lesnar takes him down its over eather gp or submission. cain dont have the power that carwin does and brock showwed tonight that its going to take alot to knock him out
Yeah def. stands a legitimate chance
Its obvious that Brock CANT fight off his back... so Cain needs to get him down (easyer said then done) Standing is pointless your not gonna KO
him, maybe get a decision, but your not gonna be able to stand 5 rounds
and not get taken down by Brock.
If Brock gets on top, NOBODY on the planet is gonna get him off of them !
You see his wrestling skills WOW he keeps his chest planted on you
the whole time and give no space at all.
MIr 2 times really
When he is on top you cant get him off !
A fresh Carwin would have and was able to stuff him. Carwin got on top and Lesnar could not get up either even when Brock was fresh.
can cain beat brock?yes. do i think he would? no cains only real shot would be to out work brock and tire him down which is possible he just has to survive 3-4 rounds without taking serious damage
Cain will be champ!
Can he defeat Lesnar? Yes. Will he? Perhaps. Probably depends on the game plane.
The advantage to CV is that he doesn't carry the bulk that guys like BL and SC, do. He's probably got five rounds of cardio in him, where I don't think the other two really do; not in a high paced fight and CV is a high pace fighter.
The game plan for CV would be to hang in there with BL and gas him; wear him down and then start to (really) go after him. Had Carwin a larger gas tank or had he not punched himself out in the first round, he probably wins the fight; he owned BL in that first round; never been done, before.
I would think that the best way to defeat the man would be to tire him out, first. I'm sure it will be a good fight, I just hope it isn't lay and pray. I"d like to see BL dirty box up against the fence for a fight.
Either way - I look forward to the fight. I'm also looking forward to Lesnar / Carwin 2.
brock will win because he can obviously take a punch withouth getting knocked out. (shane carwin fight) and BJJ won't stop him because at lesnar vs mir 2 brock ground n pounded his ass plus brock is much bigger and heavier
Cain had tons of trouble with congos punches, who hits far softer than carwin. Congo also has NO groundgame at all, and brock can atleast get an opponent in the guard. I think it's fair to say brock is a better wrestler....
Yea, brock wins.
Cain and Overeem are the #1 and #2 most well rounded and technical mixed martial artists in the heavyweight division with enough size and strength to have a great chance at beating brock or shane. There are other good heavyweights like fedor and mir and jds and nelson but i think cain and overeem have the ability to beat brock they just need to prove it. And of course Shane has shown that he has a dam good chance.
I think he has a very good chance to beat em
Cain is the man for brock to fight. I think a good fight would be Bobby lashley vs.Brock lesner