Daily Poll May 22nd: Do you consider Josh Koscheck a "dirty fighter"?

Posted on May 22, 2010, 04:21 PM by Anton Gurevich
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  1. 1. Yes
  2. 2. No
  3. 3. I don't care, as long as he's winning

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  • Rory Kernaghan
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    I think that his tactics are questionable, and I think he is quite a skilled wrestler but a bit boring in the Daley fight, phantom knee or not

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  • grapplure
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    @rottenpunch just say it he fights dirty and hes also a bad actor

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  • David Saucier
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    Posting to see if my new picture shows up.

    And i don't think Kos is a dirty fighter, Wes Simms is a dirty fighter, as far as i know Kos dosen't intentionally use illegal moves. such as head stomps, and eye gouging.

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  • Spyridon
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    You say as far as you know Kos doesnt know illegal moves such as eye gouging? Funny you mention that.



    You must not have seen Koscheck vs Rumble Johnson.... where he not only faked an eye poke but did 2 eye pokes himself following it.



    The messed up part? Both of his eye pokes he opened his fist up mid-punch and poked his eye with his fingers.



    Anyone who actually trained before KNOWS that they TRAIN you not to open your fists up mid punch because you can not only harm the other person but u could possibily harm yourself!



    That makes it obvious that they were at least somewhat intentional. You wouldnt repeat the same thing you are reguarly trained NOT to do, twice in a row.

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  • NikMegamanHulstein
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    Hell yah hes a dirty fighter after that BS @ UFC113

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  • ksooner76
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    i agree.....watching the fight it looks like it completely missed but think

    it grazed him and he tryed to win an Oscar witch makes himlook like a biitch and that he needed that to get the upper hand shows he was lil scared...he'll never be champlike that

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  • HugeCleavage
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    KOscheck didnt fake in the daley fight he might overreacted a bit. but you can see in his post fight interviews that he has a cut on his forehead. even if hes faking its still an illegal knee. and still dont think he faked the eyepoke in the johson fight.

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  • grapplure
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    yes it still was an illegal knee and as a professional fight daley should have known the rules..but kos reminds me of a soccer player always exaggerating small stuff

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  • kamaka
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    ARE YOU BLIND!!!!!He did NOT get hit with a knee....even dana white said it...i used to like kos but i hope the fight with GSP is a stand up fight(doubt it though)and GSP whoops his ass

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  • ston3pony
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    Notice all your WEAKs, but no responses to refute what you said. Wasting your time. The people calling him a dirty fighter, aren't basing it on anything. They just don't like him, and because they're children they allow that emotion to dictate everything that they will pretend to believe.



    He didn't just have the cut from the knee. His eyes were pretty mangled, and none of it was from any kind of striking, other than illegal striking. Daley the turd was frustrated about being manhandled so easily, so he was cheating his ass off. The grease wasn't helping, so he tried to thumb him in the eyes to encourage a stand-up.



    Also, you're right about the Johnson fight. There were many many range-finding jabs, and a lot of open-palm reaching that came very close to eye-gouges the entire fight. Anthony is a respectable intelligent fighter, he's not doing it intentionally, it's just the nature of open-gloves. It's always going to happen, the only way to help prevent people from losing eyes is to take points and give warnings whenever it appears to be necessary. Koscheck could have taken the DQ win, he got eye-poked... Same as with Daley. And Koscheck if he really wanted to be a big faker, could have said "I can't see, I win". He did the honorable thing (with Daley and Anthony), showing respect to his opponent, and continued the fight. He could have just taken the wins. People don't give the guy enough credit. He might be a douche in his personal life, I don't know if that's true either, but I couldn't care less. In the octagon he's a wildly talented and skilled and professional MMA fighter.



    http://tinyurl.com/29kvek8



    The crowd was booing because the knee missed, hit his arm. Koscheck wasn't clutching his eye in pain pretend to have been kneed. He got eye-poked after the knee. In fact, he may have been poked in both eyes. A thumb comes close while Anthony is setting up the knee. Then after the knee he's reaching with his fingers extended again. It's just going to happen, fighters have to learn to keep their hands closed.



    In that video, go to 5:55. Most people just completely missed it because they were looking for the knew. And because most of the slow-motions replay were starting AFTER the poke, because they were looking at the knee. Koscheck wasn't effected by the knee, and wasn't pretending to be. You can see Johnson reaching with his rand hand, fingers spread, and his thumb goes right in to Koshckeck's left eye. Then after the knee, he got poked in the right eye by Johnson's pinky. He got poked in both eyes, and if he was a cheater, a faker, he would have taken the win.



    If Koscheck were faking these two incidents, for an advantage in the fight, wouldn't he just declare himself the winner? That's his choice right? He had the option, both times, to say that he could not continue. If he's cheating, by faking, why doesn't he take these wins? He chooses to keep fighting, in a fight where he was behind in the scores at the time.



    Anthony is a standup guy and his were accidents (he just always does that, open hand reaching), but he did poke him in both eyes. And Daley was cheating from beginning to end, and after the end.



    No excuse to call Koscheck anything but a resilient professional.

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  • 51JD51
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    First of all @Spyridon

    That's a bunch of BS saying just b/c his fist slipped open mid-punch it was intentional and then you go on trying to make it sound all technical by relating it to training. There's a dozen other factors that could've caused that which you didn't consider so don't try to belittle people with that if you trained you would understand line that is so over used on mma forums (not that it's not true in some cases).



    As for whether or not he is dirty - I think he's a questionable fighter at this point. There's no conclusive evidence on both the Johnson and Daley knees on the damage they did. The Daley knee clearly left that cut and the Johnson (havent watched the video in a bit) looked like it could've pushed Kos' own arm into his eye. Fact is we just don't know what he really felt

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  • terra2805
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    I couldn't have put it better myself my friend...........

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  • SHAKEZULA
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    The eyes poke and all we know but u said he does not use illegal blows either..he also kicked anthonyin the balls in the fight. That can be more accidental but still, just seemed like in that fight he was tryin extra ard o get the upperhand in the fight.

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  • ston3pony
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    knew... knee

    *typing too fast*

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  • Spyridon
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    How could you say hes an honorable fighter, when in hte Rumble incident, he straight up ignored the ref when he was asking what was wrong and if he was okay? Kos kept asking what like he didnt understand him and being belligerent.



    He continued saying he couldnt see until the point was deducted. As soon as the point was deducted, he opened his eye and he was fine. The doctor didnt even have to check him.



    That's not honorable, that's obvious milking the situation.

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  • SDFC
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    to long did not read

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  • HugeCleavage
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    @ston3pony



    wow finnaly somone with a brain,all stuff you just say was i about too say but thanks god you where one step closer. I gotta give you a DAMN sharp :P

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  • BlueClearSky
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    As a fans here express his own feeling and opinion about the fight or analyzed the fight with all your choice, but someone here is Rude and contradiction as well retarded.imo

    I lived in Kos neighborhood once, it doesn’t mean I like the guy for what it is,Kos is Asshole Cocky ! but call him Dirty fighter and called him played dirty trick and faked, I don’t think so !

    Daley try to knee to opponent head while is Kos down ,maybe he try to blocked by his arms,hands, fingers ,gloves or knee barely touch his eyes and happened so quickly and his eyes sore and tears blocked his vision ,he has right reacted to that call . I called Daley dirty fighter. I experienced while played basketball and practicing martial art, it is happened to me and so quickly.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    Yea I felt the same way, but you obviously havent seen the new replay circulating. The one we watched during the PPV didnt go back far enough. That big knee did not land, but its well known now that the right knee, a lil bit before that one, did in fact hit Kocsheck.

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  • ston3pony
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    It's quite clear yes. And he did get eye-poked accidentally in the Johnson fight. And he was obviously getting thumbed a lot while it was on the ground, look at the post fight and his eyes are messed up. Not from striking though.

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  • falcon4917
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    he was at a serious disadvantage in that position of reacting to a knee that should have never come. He may have been finished by 3 or 4 shots after the knee. I don't like him much but if he played on a rub that could have caused him his fight I don't blame him. Daley though is worse in that he not only instigated the whole situation but then failed to control his battered ego with a gay soccer style pussy mans punch.

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  • ston3pony
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    The right knee landed pretty clean IMHO. There wasn't much on it, but it landed hard enough to cut Koscheck. He didn't get that cut from a punch, clearly.



    If he wanted to cheat, he would have said he couldn't continue. He would get the win.

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  • amscatt
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    I don' think he fights dirty. All the techniques he uses are legal and sound. (god it hurt to say that) He's just a phuqing baby and a liar. He's not trying to sneak in eye gouges or anything, he's just being a drama queen. I think calling him dirty gives him too much credit. He's dishonest in a way that strips him of the ability to call himself a man. A capable athlete? Maybe, but not a man.

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  • ston3pony
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    He did get kneed, he was getting eye-gouged, and Daley probably was greased. Does giving an oscar-worthy performance like a soccer player fishing for a penalty make him a "dirty fighter"? If it didn't happen, yes. If he's lying, yes. He clearly got hit hard by that right knee. Daley was the cheater, not only did he get away with the illegal cheap-shot, he got rest-break out of it too. Koscheck dominated the cheater, fair and square.



    Daley saying he didn't knee him, is the dirty fighter move. Anyone who calls Koscheck dirty, based on his last fight anyway, is delusional and refuses to think it through.

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  • amscatt
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    Yeah... Daley I would call a dirty fighter. But did you see the slow motion replays that show the knee not even touching Kos? And the greasing thing needs to be put to rest... they have been watching out for that shit like hawks ever since greasegate.



    Daley lost fair and square. He tarnished the sport by being a sore looser and got kicked out of the UFC. Kos tarnished the sport by being flagrantly dishonest. In summation.... they're both a couple of phuqtards.

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  • thealex
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    it doesnt matter to me if hes a dirty fighter or not, i think thats cos im a kos fan. but the same thing happened in the johnson fight so i dunno what to think

    they should be asking if daley is a dirty fighter.. greased and cheap shot. dirty.

    i hope he (kos) goes on to win the ww title

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  • griffin
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    Koscheck does what he needs to win, its not like he's thorwing low blows. Its funny to watch though cuz the replays always show how full of shit he is

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  • lionkill
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    i wouldn't say "dirty", i would prefer the term "opportunistic". he isn't throwing illegal blows etc.. he is simply exaggerating close calls, like the "eye poke" and the "knee to the head of a downed opponent" tho he wouldn't have the chance to play the drama queen if his opponets didn't give him the chance.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    Anyone who has not seen the new replay that goes back further than the slow motion one they were showing during the PPV should search for it or find the one posted in 2.0 It shows that YES the big left knee did miss, but a little bit before he thru that one, he hit him with a sneaky right knee, which landed and drew blood......

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  • 1RyuTTFU
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    "no" .... rofl

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  • UrHype
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    Not really dirty, but he is a drama queen, swindler, and cry baby.

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  • hondata79
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    If it's LEGAL and cheap, i would do it to win a fight, whatever....

    KOS Beat his ass for 3 rounds, end of story,



    Getting the TUF coaching job was a BIG deal and he played it safe.





    If your not 1st your last..... Ricky Bobby

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  • Joey Santosus
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    I just watched that movie on cable a couple hrs ago...... Funny u said that. Did u just watch it on tv?

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  • UrHype
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    FIRE!!!!!!!

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  • BlueClearSky
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    Kos is not a dirty fighter ,the fight not aggressive as he get used to be ,but he controlled the fight and maybe Daley try to fly knee to his head barely touched his eyes or forehead and reacted to that call.

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  • SHAKEZULA
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    He pokes anthony int he eye!!!!! During the replay when i watched it u see him throwing his hands out WITH HIS FINGERS out which alot of fighters do...they should learn that if they dont do that then HEY maybe they wont poke em in the eye....Well in the replay he throws his hands out once more than likely gagein the range and then goes straight out and pokes him in the eye. that in my mind was on purpose. idk bout the knees but im sure he wanted to even out the scores after he got a point away. wont like it was bad enought hat he kicked him in the balls right before that.

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  • BigNog22
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    dirty i don't know,but he's sure is a bloody asshole,XD

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  • UrHype
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    Thats a specific example when NOT to use the word "bloody" in consession to a noun.

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  • terra2805
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    do you mean "concession"...lol....

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  • TDraGon
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    boring fighter but i'll keep rootin for him. Hes a though guy that no one gives him credit but has many wins in the UFC only losing to top guys

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  • Alvin
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    I don't consider Koscheck at all.

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  • UrHype
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    Then you probably prefer women......my guess

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  • capjo
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    Some of you should take the time to read and watch clips before shooting off lies and nonsense from the mouth.



    Koscheck was hit with a knee. He was hit with a RIGHT knee that the camera at regular speed doesn't pick up. Here's a slowmo .gif;





    DALEY'S ILLEGAL KNEE CLIP: http://i39.tinypic.com/10o38jt.jpg





    All the crying in world wont take away from the fact that it was DALEY who threw not one but TWO illegal knees. Plus some credence has to be given to Kos for stating that Daley was eye gouging.



    Koscheck's eyes were JACKED and nothing on regular film suggest any reason why they should be so jacked up but hidden eye gouges.



    ...just more whining and b*tching here like we get from most of the Brit b*tch fighters. damn limp-wristed fruitcakes!

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  • terra2805
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    wtf! you are a complete and utter clueless idiot, your saying he was hit with a RIGHT knee, and StickinUrChick, who claims to have analysed the fight says he was hit with a LEFT knee......WHICH IS IT?? i'll tell you....NEITHER OF THEM. Kos IS a bitch and only like minded bitches would try and back him up in the face of such clear evidence, go and get an education you clueless armchair MMA fan of a fool......

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  • falcon4917
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    terra2805 and others like him are bent on Koscheck cheating. I thought he was a cheater too but this vid clearly shows Daley getting exposed. Koscheck was right to call it out because as I said before even if he missed it puts him at a dissadvantage just ahving to defend an illegal attempt that could be followed up by fight ending strikes. I actually have a little bit of respect for Kos now and I have all but lost all respect for Daley. Kos may be annoying but he did not cheat and he never backs down from fights.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    Hey ummmm u should read my posts again..... I said he was hit the right knee in every one of them.

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  • SikBoi
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    He's just pissed cause he knows his boy couldn't win even by cheating. Kos was hit w the right knee. Anyone w half a brain who has viewed the new footage can see it, its obvious.

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  • falcon4917
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    terra2805 must be useless to argue with as he sees only what he wants to believe. He probably watches the suckerpunch in slow mo to try and show that Kos headbutted Daleys fist after the fight.

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  • BigGayToeHold
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    Not Dirty-----Just a Douche bag...... And by the way----HE DID NOT GET HIT WITH THAT KNEE!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF are u guys lookin' at????? The knee grazed him and he looked at the ref and started floppin around like a dead fish......put ur glasses on and watch it Barbara.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    He supplied a link to what everyone is looking at....... It is now common knowledge that he got hit with a right knee before the big left one that missed. Anyone who is still woofin about the left knee from the PPV is uninformed and needs to keep up with the topic if they plan on commenting.



    Also, I am not Capjo's biggest fan either, but anyone who uses the term "Turd-Burglar" has the mentality of a 10 year.

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  • computerjiujitsubb
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    kos is a walking talking dirty sanchez!!! tomorrows poll should be which fighter do you think will come out of the closet first.... Josh Koschek or Nick Ring?

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  • UrHype
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    No hes not, hes a Pooty Pirate!

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  • BigGayToeHold
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    We checked the link Nancy..What ****in' knee?????? Where is this phantom knee u keep hollerin' about????? Ur probaly on ur computer right now, on ur couch, wearin a banana colored thong-smearin' lipstick on ur lips while lookin' at www.joshkoscheck.com.....Now how did I guess that????? Kook.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    Ok my friend..... Dont be so stupid man. Are u serious? Like I said its common knowledge now. Why do I care to explain it to u? If you care more about being right on some message board than knowing what really happened then thats up to you. Anyone who matters in MMA has seen the new footage. So ur arguing with the wrong ppl man. Who is "we" anyway? Grow up man with "turd burglar" and "bandanna thongs?" Ur maybe 12 or 13 for sure. Seriously I am not even trying to insult you, its just clearly true. When u guys see it finally you will feel stupid. Either that or you have seen it and you are childishly denying it. I am just telling you fact, if it were my opinion I might be angry and argumentative, but its not an opinion. You act like a little kid man.

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  • BigGayToeHold
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    Anybody proclaiming they're name as "StickinUrChick" probaly has never actually Stuck any chicks.....Actually--that sounds like 12 or 13 to me.........whatta clown.

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  • Joey Santosus
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    Yea whatta clown!! Came from a song moron

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  • TheGoocH
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    kos isnt a dirty fighter but he will fake being hurt from time to time to win fights. so basically hes a cheater more than a dirty fighter and to the guy above we all saw what happend. these guys are defending kos becuase.. well idk why tbh..

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    It is dirty to a degree yes but it's more pathetic than anything else imo. I have analysed, very closely i might add, both the Anthony Johnson fight and the Paul daley fight, in the AJ fight Kos was faking for sure 100%, no doubt, as for the Daley fight, at no point in that fight whatsoever did either of Daleys knees touch Koschecks face. In the press conference after the event Kos was saying it was an eye poke that got him just before Daley threw that knee, not the phantom knee itself, but that was just him trying to wriggle out of it after seeing the replay and feeling like the fool he is imo. Kos is a talented fighter for sure but he definately really needs to stop them oscar winning performances in the cage because it takes away from him as a fighter, he hasn't got much credibilty as it is and his fanbase is only getting smaller..........

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  • Zombiepower
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    Expect a fake Groin shot in GSP fight

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    ear cleaning stick

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