i hope he gets chased back to boxing, im a boxing fan, but stick to what you're good at
chuck is hard to take down toney should train wit him
He's just going to show up for a paycheck. He'll tap the first chance he gets.
dude he makes millions in his champ boxing fights, ufc is like working at McDonald's for him financially.
It all depends on who he fights, if in every fight he faces a grappler hes most likely to lose but if he fights people like kongo and Kimbo he could win
mustapha al turk is a pretty good wrestler, and Kongo dominated him
kimbo wud actually win this time cause he trianing 10 times harder now that he has to face tougher fighters and he learning ground game
Everyone is like a taperecorder, every thread involving Tooney has the exact same replies over & over & the same arguments.
We really need some new substance in future threads, its getting old FAST.
You're a condescending douche. If you think you're so smart, why don't you do something a little more productive than argue with everyone on this site?
Your on the recorder also
Im not contesting you Dance just stating the obvious.
this guy thinks he could fight in mma? for real let a wrestler or bjj guy take his ass down lets see how good he is there
your last 3 responses were
you seem to fit that description exactly thanks for clarifying why your here
u might wanna know what "trolling" actually means before u use it in a statement. ur last 3 comments = trolling. my last 3 = 1)calling u out, 2)expressing my lack of interest in fedor's happenings, and 3) not understanding someone else's comment
If they were lack of interest, I appologize, LTRZ be cool
So, your saying wrestlers should only wrestle, for ever and ever, and bjj guys should only do bjj? that's crazy man, it's nice that he wants to go for it, sure he's old and wont win alot of fights, but i like the fact that there is a good boxer in MMA. We got great bjj guys, great wrestlers, even great kick/thai boxers, but so far we have not had a great boxer.
Very true, we've not had a boxer of his caliber in UFC anyway!
It will be very interesting to see how he fairs out.
Anybody stupid enough to try stand with him would deserve to be KO'd & it will be the most likely result.
His hand speed will be 2nd to none in UFC & his power will be the same.
I can see what all the boxing fans will say when he wins, "We told you boxers are better, we told you", then when he loses, "you wouldn't stand with him & had to take him down like a pussy"
They don't understand MMA (well the majority).
I wish Toney well & I'm excited to see how he performs. I don't think he's dumb enough to come in to the UFC thinking he can KO everyone he steps in the octagon with.
I think Toney should fight at LHW. Plenty of crazy strikers in there & plenty of guys that would be willing to take the fight.
If he's paired up with a striker it will be seriously exciting, if he's paired with a grappler I suspect Dana is looking to shut him up & send a message out to the boxing world!
I want to see Anderson Silva Against this guy in LHW match up! would be great!
Dana see's there's money to be made in signing these over-aged athletes from other sports, he's gonna learn it's not a bright idea placing him in the cage with a top 10 or 20 HW. Give him a TUF cast-off then he may get a W
james toney will fight at LHW after one HW fight
Cant help but feel were goin down the "sideshow" road... Im thinkin a terrible show after a massive media build up all due to his ignorance. Tko within the first minute.... Any takers.???
depends on who is he fighting. if he fights for example Brock, he will be dead in seconds, if he fights an MMA low level stand-up guy like Mitrione, he will have a chance to shine. but its not boxing its mma, lets see what happen.
True. This can only be good for the sport. It's great to see other athletes from other disciplines entering the sport of MMA.
Not only does it show how big & how popular the sport is getting but it also shows the level of Athletes that want to try prove themselves.
MMA seems to be the best proving ground for toughness & conditioning. There's hardly another sport on the planet that demands so much dedication, education & massive physical conditioning.
Have a look at Toneys record & judge for yourself. He's a worthy opponent & a seriously dangerous one at that.
This should be fun to watch.
He'll end up with a Kimbo like career.... He'll be handed a couple of guys with no ground game, let him get his hands wet... then he'll get in there with someone who will break his arm or choke him the hell out, then get released.
he's gonna face a "nobody" with an okay stand-up,he probably gonna knock him out and joe rogan adn golberg gonna be all excite and shit
he's gonna face a nobody against,but with an ok stand-up, ground game and wrestling and he's gonna get destroy.
that dude never fought in a cage before and a suspect his cardio to be very bad.
hey dumb shiit.....since when did randy couture become a "nobody".....dumbass
So here's a guy with a fantastic boxing record. Has gone the distance many times (12 3 min rounds in case you didn't know), just because he's not lean & ripped doesn't mean he has no conditioning.
Boxers have long been one of the best conditioned athletes on the planet. Do you think he's going to walk into a cage without enough conditioning to last 3 5 min rounds.
One thing he'll have over all if not most fighter in the UFC is his ability to take huge punishment from strikes but I don't think he'll need that. If he's facing anyone with ground game they'll be looking to neutralize him & take him down as soon as the clock starts & don't blame anyone who does that either!
They'll struggle to find a current UFC fighter who'd lose to Toney. The Mercer KO of Silvia was s freak occurance on a guy who'd totally lost fighting ability. Much better examples can be seen in K1 fights, some did alright Botha beat Lebanner and did great against Bonjansky but most got owned often by kicks, especially leg kicks their rookie thighs couldn't take as well as punches they couldn't defend in anticipation of the kicks. And all these problems caused just by throwing legs into the mix. Now imagine all the extra complexities they'll face in the average MMA fighter. It would take an absolute freak of nature or years of training from a much younger age to adapt to this. So Toney has 2 chances of any kind of success the more honourable being getting a freak KO, the other being the UFC picks a total can worse than Herschel Walkers opponent to win against. I highly doubt the UFC would ever in a million years sink that low. So no! He'll do little other than get beat. And I don't think that'll make the UFC look bad because if such a high profile fighter is mouthing off in public as much as Toney did, he should step up and prove it and MMA can educate boxing a little on what it's all about.
I would like to see him fight Hardonk and get his legs ravaged. He has a tough jaw lets see how tough his legs are. It could be a good matchup if the UFC wants to give him primarly a striker.
I agree & disagree with some of that.
K1 is strictly stand up & Botha was never as good as the likes of Toney. Botha was tough & I totally respect the guy for his achievements & wins in K1.
MMA is much more multi dimensional & I believe it could actually work a little more (a little I said) in a boxers favour. The stand up in MMA in general (in general I said, not all) is not quiet as sharp as in Boxing or K1 etc. If a guy is looking to take Toney down but is having a bit of difficulty (maybe Toney has a little take down defense or a good sprawl) he's not going to have too many other options while standing.
I don't fancy anyones chances against the cage if Toney manages to open up or utilize a bit of dirty boxing. His uppercuts & close range shots will be savage & he'll do lots of damage in a short space of time.
I think it's a win-win situation for UFC & all of MMA. If Toney wins it's going to draw more people & possibly interest more top boxers in coming to MMA, if he loses it will send a message out to the boxing world that you can't just step in the ring & KO guys that can't box as good as you!
I hope Toney is not the later but we'll have to wait & find out.
I agree about Botha and I see the possible areas you said Toney could exploit. Certainly a close range gripless striking exchange would be very risky for most MMA fighters and it is possible a fighter could lose his head and be drawn into that game but I'm not sure how well he could utilise dirty boxing with a good MMA fighter, knees, elbows, grappling to take-down unless he can adapt very quick.
And it's good to get intelligent counter arguments for a change rather than some of the pointless 'you're a douche bag...lol' type comments I usually get. Thanks.
Well both our comments are our opinions & we have to respect that. It's better if we reply like this as it's much easier to accept any criticism from another. I'm not saying your wrong & I'm right, it's just my opinion.
I think you're right on the dirty boxing, he may not be able to use that.
The guys who slag everyone off are know it alls & normally tied to one organisation. They normally know very little about the sport & are completely bias.
I do however like to cut these people down as they normally try to insult others with stupid childish comments like you said ;o)
Yeah man. I know I can often be proven wrong when it goes down but that's what I love about MMA, you never know. So there are loads of ways of looking at it.
I'm the same with the small-minded ones, cut 'em down. They basically do it to themselves I just highlight the daftness in cuz it's fun to wind them up when I'm bored. And it makes me feel superior sort of like a bully, ha!
I'm thinking once in the ring there is no one more out of his comfort zone on the ground than Tooney. He's thinking he can KO anyone that shoots on him & he's wrong.
absolutly correct! first person to take him down is liable to win the fight.
Toney did a great job of talking himself up but the reality is that when the door closes whoever he is facing is just going to take him down and pass his guard. Ground and pound or submission.
Give him Heath Herring. He's at a point in his skill and career for this fight. That is if he's still on the roster.
If he goes in with the mind set that I am the best stand up guy around then he will lose them all. MMA isn't just boxing it is kickboxing. He might get ****y and go in for a jab or something and get cro-coped.
No doubt he will win some lose some, after a loss he will get fed a striker most likely, unless Dana wants him out of the UFC.
31 people saying he will become a top hw ?? wow! o_O
people got faith .. lol!!
keep hoping **** heads..
I think he's gonna hurt some people, as long as he trains take-down defense, and some jits
He won't stand like he does in the boxing ring. He is a boxer. Just a boxer. Why would real m.m.a fans think he could go far in this sport.BOXING THAT IT. THAT DONT CUT IT IN THE OCTAGON. takedowns, defending takedowns,head kicks,leg kicks. The game plan changes when you feel a high kick breeze by your head at 90 mph.
omg.....youre such a moron....of course hes not gonna stand like he does in a boxing ring....he has mma trainers transitioning his boxing to fit mma.....wrestlers, bjj dudes, and muay thai guys all did at one point when they joined mma.....all the great mixed martial artists had to master one martial art before moving to mma...
Moron? I been watching this sport for 2 decades have hung out with some of the best fighters on the planet been to ten u.f.c dating back to the 90s. That's was around the same time you were shitting in your diaper. Like I tell the Miss- informed. M.m.a was here way before spike TV partner. Boxing LOL. Even Tyson is laughing.
The problem with people who's skill set is soooooo specific, is that they have a tendency to throw their game plans right out the window as soon as the fight gets going. Boxing experts have noted that Toney never stuck to and regimen. He was just an incredibly talented boxer who depended on his talent alone to get him by. As soon as instinct takes over he's gonna leave that front leg out there and it's gonna get chopped down.
"any" regimen... not "and"...
Oh yeah, I totally agree.
Win some..lose some. There are easily less qualified fighters than him in the heavyweight division.
the man will mor ethan likely have a good stand up game goin on but the whole 1 dimensional fighter thing hes got goin on will def get him hurt in the future. Id like to see him fight a good fighter with stand up but is balanced on the ground like Gonz or just go balls to the wall and go with Mir cause Nog aint got the chin no more. He gunna be a fish out of water but hope he learns somthing in the ufc. Hate boxers who say they the best but we finally got one thats grown some balls and is gunna try and Back up the Shit He Talks
are you serious....."nog aint got the chin no more".....those were three hard shots he took before his body hit the floor....most guys wouldve been doing the harlem shake on the ground if they got ko'd that bad....at least he was semi conscious when the ref stopped the fight....fuccin fagget bandwagon jumper.....
Very true, he's the only top rate boxer (even though he's 41) to actually step up & say "I want in"
I respect him for it, I just hope he doesn't think he can walk in & KO everyone. I hope he's older & wiser therefore listening too & using excellent MMA coaches.
He will earn well deserved respect in the octagon if he shows more than just boxing skills, even if he loses!
i box and my boy was a 3 time all american wrestler and all that good stuff i got him by 100+ lbs and much stronger than him but he rolls me anytime we grapple so i see Toney getting played out there
This will be more and more common from now on. Boxing is spiraling down, due to bad management and the fact that MMA is simply the most interesting sport with more depth.
10 years ago the HW champ in boxing was a household name. But if you asked a hundred random people today who the champ is? You'd probably get a lot of shrugs and blank stares, and probably Lennox Lewis as the most common answer.
Kids getting in to sports today don't dream about becoming boxers anymore, they're learning JJ and wrestling and kick-boxing and karate. As boxing continues to dwindle, and MMA continues to grow, more and more boxers will try to switch because they miss the fame.
fame and MONEY
Well I think MMA needs to become a bit more unified. With possible match-ups between champions or fighters from different organisations. The money is still way off the payouts in Boxing.
I think Mayweather will be the last household name in boxing. He's pretty much hung up his gloves now 'cause there's nobody else to beat. I'd say we're the best part of 10 years away from MMA & boxing closing the gap on pay cheques.
Actually the average MMA fighter makes much more than the average boxer. You're right about the few super-stars left in boxing though. The few who constitute the only boxers that anybody can even name anymore. MMA super-fight paydays don't compare to boxing super-fight paydays, not anything remotely even close. But the average MMA fighter gets paid a lot more. Think about how many boxers there are on the professional level, versus how many fighters there are in the UFC.
I suppose on that level MMA might attract a lot more low level boxers if the money is better.
I was talking about pay cheques in the top echelons of the sport in MMA doesn't compare to the average PPV boxing payout. I should have been clearer ;o)
James Toney is a good boxer but he doesnt have the power i have and the speed i bring to a fight is amazing at my weight . I am a monster to be honest.