How can it be good for the sport, you're attempting to force fans to choose between different fights/fighters that both deserve our support.
its bad for the sport if one company goes under we have less MMA to enjoy that way, strikeforce should change the date at the last minute to the 18th
How can it be good for the sport to support co-promotion and a cheap organization that doesn't drug-test it's roid-users? This is the garbage that destroyed boxing, and you want the same for MMA.
Other sports don't have "co-promotion" do they? And it doesn't hurt them does it?
Couldnt be said any better 51j...where it may help the bigger organization to knock off competition, it hurts the sport, takes away from the fans, and at the end of the day keeps fans from both sides to miss out on seeing fighters who train their ass off to be seen on the main stage
This can be good for the sport in 2 different ways:
1) the more these 2 organizations compete, the more they try to give us great fight cards to beat the other organization.
2) If the competition between the 2 organizations ends with one organization being destroyed the better chance we have of seeing fighters from opposing organizations fighting each other, unifying the titles.
either way, we the fans get to see more fights and better fights.
co promotion will turn MMA into boxing and we all know how thats going dont we?
If you are a true fight fan. Then you should realize competition has more positives for the sport instead of negatives. I basically agree with AnAmerican and davies.
Do you cry and cry because the NFL doesn't co-promote with the Canadian Football League?
are you retarted? strikeforce drug tests... its a US thing. the ones who dont drug test are the japanese because they have never done anything like that. they dont drug test for jobs, they dont drug test for sports and they dont have drug cases clogging up their court system (not saying they dont have drug issues, there just not a big concern over here)
Why does the UFC feel the need to try to make another MMA organization try to fail if they suck and are not good for the sport? Competition is the best thing that can happen to any sport.
I know people want to see Strikeforce gain more popularity and fighters, but the reality is if the UFC would control the monopoly on MMA they would be able to distinguish who the best fighter in the world would be at any given weight class. The UFC makes the fightst that the fans want to see happen, they rarely have contract problems and are able to put on more cards than any other organization out there.
you fail nfl and cfl have diffrent rules
*duh* So did Pride and the UFC *duh* So your nonsense is a joke isn't it? *duh*
have you ever gotten a response that wasn't a weak?
yeh hows pride going? lol
Dont worry ston3 i sharped u. Alota the stuff you type is straight truth, i jus think only fedor fans weak u...
First of all I nobody outside America cares about NFL, better comparison is real Football what you call Soccer. In Europe you have leagues in every country, then once a year you have the Champions League where all the best teams from the best leagues fight for top honors. Then there is also the World Cup every 4 years where all the nations from all around the world compete.
In Ice hockey there is the world cup once a year and Olympics every 4 years but Ice hockey is also held back as a sport because of the NHL being so dominant.
The vast majority of sports do not co-promote. Co-promotion played a huge role in crushing Boxing. Whether you like the NFL doesn't matter in the slightest, unless you simply weren't able to grasp the analogy.
I agree ! **** NFL ! the real number one sport in the world is soccer !
Soccer is all about skills and tactics and NFL all about strengh.
Real football??? LMAO... so kicking around a soccer ball is more fun to watch than two teams full of brutes beating each other down to get to the end zone!
Are you a Britt???
F****** D Bag!!!
i agree and disagree. i think competition is good for the sport.
Farm teams are good for the sport, 2nd level organizations are good. Fighters need places to get their feet wet and make a name for themselves. But anyone who thinks that the UFC should be obligated to send their fighters off to fight in any random fringe organization, is simply a f'n idiot.
the competition is good for the sport , it pushes the teams or organization to make them better!
but as long as being the same date and time not!
so whatever you think about about strikeforce fighters skills and levels they deserve their day!
its 365 days a year and the UFC do more than 15 events a year
while strikeforce do only like 10
its unbelieble they want to run over strikeforce event! doing the same day an event!
they alredy ruin for us fans the chance to watch great fights when they buy and vanish PRIDE!
we as fans deserve to have an option to watch the organzation we want , DREAM , STRIKEFORCE , UFC or all of them
but if the big bully tries to run over and do and event the same day
then its leaving us fans with out much of a choice , while forcing us to watch just one on april
so is bad for the sport because the UFC isnt the entire sport!
so actions with bad intentions always are reward with bad results!
STRIKEFORCE all the way on april 17!!!
Strikeforce does not even come close to putting on ten cards a year.
Gayna's starting to feel the tip of the head of Strikeforce begining to penetrate him, and he's tightening up, good for you , you over achieving aerobics instructor!
LOL strikeforce has nothing on Dana, whether u like him or not. Sorry but Strikeforce, for the most part, is a FREAKING JOKE
if they were a joke, dana wouldn't be trying to do what he's doing. i hope it backfires on his ass cause his cards have been shitty. strikefore has had all solid main cards so far. the challengers series has had some boring shows, but there main shows are way better than the ufc. how can a guy in a main event like mark coleman, who dana hyped up for months so we would watch, then gets fired. from main event to fired.
Yes, Jokeforce is a joke. If you think their main events are better than UFC events, then you should go back to watching WWF nonsense.
please explain exactly which strikeforce cards have been better than any of the UFC's... the last strikeforce card I remember is the Fedor vs. Rogers, and that's only cuz it had strikeforce's pride and glory, Fedor.
Did u not watch Valesquez vs. Big Nog? Penn vs. Sanchez?
And Dana is counter-programming with FRANKLIN VS. LIDDELL. Doesn't sounds like he's too worried about strikeforce.
You are a real moron (or just a typical strikeforce/fedor nuthugger) if u really believe strikeforce has anything on the UFC.
Oh and if u wanna talk about joke matchups, please refer to Overeem's title defense against Brett Rogers.
All I've got to say is that the UFC wants a monopoly on MMA fans. All they care about is not having a competing organization in MMA and that's why they pull this sh*t.
That's a legitimate thing to care about. You think that the UFC should have to co-promote with the 20 joke organizations out there? Or, who picks which ones they should have to co-promote with? You? They should have to promote and offer time for their champions to go fight in some crap-hole bar in the middle of nowhere simply because some random fringe MMA organization has someone who they call a champion?
The UFC made 100million last year and some of the fighters they paid less then 5k a fight. MMA is about the fighters NOT about the UFC. I want strikeforce to last because it will be better for the fighters because it will take away some of the power the UFC has over them.
You have such a limited and narrow minded view its frightening.
ston3pony, you need to look up the difference of co promote and counterprogramming
Okay, so you respect Overoids and want to see belt holders who juice and never fight and there are never any real champions. In other words, you want to destroy MMA just like what happened to Boxing.
I'm an MMA fan, I'd rather the sport stick around. You feel free to watch joke fights with Lashley and Walker and "champions" who never fight if you want. It's not for me.
so you mean champions who never fight like Anderson Silva, and Brock lesnar. When was the last time that Silva defended his middleweight title?
not that i like brock or like disagree......but lesner had a serious illness, FYI THUR BUD
They only want to see that if he doesnt have to fight Fedor!!!
Then they are all f****** crybabies about it... Poor, poor, Fedor!!! WTFE
And you expect Strikeforce to treat their fighters any better? Dana may not me the most gracious guy, but his business wit is what got the UFC to near-mainstream status, which in turn nets MORE MONEY for everyone involved (including fighters). Even IF Strikeforce was, for some reason, more caring for their fighters, there promoting tactics suck balls.
And what you want is an idiotic organization to throw around money they can't afford and to fail as a result. It's better for the fighters to have a non-retard business model securing a venue for their sport.
How much did the fighters make in StankFarce last year???
They must have been pullin in some dough huh???
Dana always acts like he is doing things for the fans. At some point he has to realize people don't want to watch JUST the UFC. Organizations should try to find a way to work together and stop working against one another.
MORE MMA IS A GOOD THING WHAT THE F IS WRONG WITH U GUYS>>> RECORD ONE EVENT AND WATCH IS LATER
I think any competition is good. Forces the Promoters to put better fights together.The only downside I could see if (UFC) put another Promotion (Strikeforce) out of buisiness because of it then yea, it would be bad obviosily. And Im sure if you really wanted to see both you could. What do you think internet is for? Lots of sites post the fights up for free after the PPV is over
This is not a matter of whether UFC should co-promote or not. But running a legitimate organisation out of business because you're too greedy to have another organisation in the sport regardless of whether it hurts the sport or not is sad.
And counter-programming does not create more MMA its goal is to create less MMA by making sure there are less organisations putting MMA cards out there.
I for one hope Dana White keeps the well-being of the sport in mind and leaves the counter-programming at rumors.
There are plenty of interviews with Dana where he says he doesn't give a shit about MMA, its all about making money.
well said jasper, in counterprogramming both organizations suffer and neither make as much of a profit as they would if they had the night to their self, but the bigger organization is just lookin long term and will give up a lil profit when they know it hurts the smaller organization more and will eventually put them out
My main problem with it, is that in the long run the sport and its popularity suffer.
It is also better for the fighters if they have a choice where they want to fight, if a fighter has more than one option he has a better position to negotiate his contract.
I for one hope that he speeds up the inevitable and smashes Jokeforce so that we can see their 2-3 fighters fighting in the major leagues as opposed to fighting bums off the street.
Fighters who get screwed by DonaWhipe need somewhere to fight, and maybe they dont want to go to Japan.
All you do is hate on Strikeforce.
Are you working for them, if not, give it a rest after your 5 replies, I think we know who you nuthug clearly.
If what you say is true, it isn't, but I think you've lost touch with reality to the extend that you no longer care what is true or not, as long as it says "ufc = god" you believe it, anyway IF it is true, what is the problem with strikeforce existing?
Apparently in your world strikeforce poses no threat, and it allows up and coming fighters to show their worth before they join your precious UFC. If what you say is true then all the legitimate fighters will move on to the UFC anyway and they will come with the media attention and fans they've gained with strikeforce.
So even if what you say is true, you should be against counter-programming and strikeforce being run out of business
Counter programming isnt that bad when you have muliple orgs all competing for money, but it stands out as underhanded when there is only one major one and one semi-relevant other in the USA.
In this instance I say its not good.
We all know Dana only wants one for his utopian dream of all fighters in one org. to see whos the best.
This is the land of buisness and thats going to be hard to pull off, and if he was so aggressive with this idea, why doesnt he counter program Dream and some of the others over seas?
At the same time Dana is counter programming hes using their fighter pools to bring him the next big thing.......hes 2 faced as any ruthless buisness man I always say.
Strikeforce will get better & better in time, the first UFC's were a bit fugged up also.
The problem with Dana Whites Utopia is not that all fighters are in one organization...but that he cuts the fighters and he forces them to go to strikeforce. If you were in the EA game you will never fight in the UFC. You have starving fighters who are just trying to make a living. This guy should actually be sued for comments like these.
It can be good and bad for the sport but I don't really care because I will be watching both.
it is bad for the sport because competition is good and we all win when two organizations are going against each other to make good and better fights. when they cdounter each other this way, we miss out on a lot of one or the other. it causes bitterness between fighters and fans, when that happens we all lose.
If one organization pushes the other one until it´s gone, then they will pay whatever they want to figthers, some figthers will not have contracts and it would only be a monopoly, it is bad thing, it is good to have several options where fighters can go if they feel they are receiving what they are worth, in the specific case of the UFC, Dana and the Fertitia brothers make all the money that they want but I have not see them getting punch...
I'll tell you why it's good. "UFC 108", nuff said. If Strikeforce counter's any shows that UFC puts on. Then UFC wont be able to put on garbage lineups that we are so used to seeing nowadays. Only recently, do we have in the span of a couple of weeks, 4 belts on the line. But then we have this big lull where the UFC hypes a tonne of fights that just turn out to be crap fests.
Dana is never going to want to be shown up by strikeforce, and so his counter programming will always ensue a few epic fights on the same card. Instead of stretching them out over time.
It's good for the sport. UFC would re-air good fights to phase out some of the fans that wanted to tune in to watch Fedor & the Affliction cards and thats ok! Competition is good, and making fans choose between a good UFC card & a good Strikeforce card only allows more MMA fans in general to tune in to their favorite fighters.
There are too many "loyal" UFC fans that think everything Dana does is the best, but there is a lot of talent out there and you can always watch both cards at your leisure. Strikeforce coming up is good for the sports. McDonalds needs Burger King and vice versa