maybe 3rd option as "non of them can"
i'll say rampage since he has fought him before, but i do agree with u. none of them will be able to
You are right. But I gonna have to go with Mr T.
'none of them can'...the question was who has the better chance, so good lad on that one...
also shoguns strength is his unbelievable striking power, has no1 seen what machida and thiago silva did to rashad?also machida tried to take him down nd shogun got right back up, so that argument doesnt work for me, he would get KTFO....rampage has a better chin and so would have the best chance against shogun
NONE OF TE ABOVE! =)
I would say that Rampage has a better chance than Evans cause whoever fights Shogun they need great stand up skills which Evans lacks but Rampage doesn't
I second that. I couldn't even get myself to vote for either guy...
Why is everone on the shogun wagon now? He wont last. RAMPAGE!!!!
Agreed. None of em can. The beating Shogun gave Rampage was brutal and Rashad (or Forrest) are all TUF hype. Good for ratings and good fighters, but far from the best.
The best bet aside from Machida would be Little Nog in the old gen and Jon Jones as an outsider in the new gen. That's about how stacked the LHW division is once Joe Silva and Dana Dyke stops working their hype skills with the redneck ratings boosters.
Now way that Rashad would beat him, especially since Machida knocked him out. And IDK about Rampage tbh
I say Rashad because he's much more willing to take Shogun down and lay on him for five rounds. Shogun doesn't have much of a take down defense, but he is excellent at getting back to his feet.
Is that all it takes to hold Rua down? Just flop down and lay on him? I'm not sure why people cry about wrestling. They're like the drunk idiots in early UFC who would scream "gay!" every time the fight went to the ground. Fortunately the fans have gotten smarter and learned since then. There's really only the slow few still lagging behind.
Wrestling is becoming the standard foundation for an MMA skillset. It's one of the most practiced and perfected and thought out martial arts in the world.
A wrestler without BJJ experience is just a victim in MMA however, and while a very useful tool it is in no way more useful or important then BJJ, Maui Tai or boxing.
Wrestlers wouldn't be nearly as successful if they changed the rules so it didn't allow negative tactics. In PRIDE ground control wasn't a factor (as it wouldn't be in an actual fights) and damage was everything, so the wrestlers actually had to fight to win. Furthermore they had soccer kicks and knees to the head that would give both wrestlers and strikers a finishing edge in their respective trade. Negative, time consuming lay and pray tactics also got rewarded with the judges standing them up, which meant wrestlers had to open up for BJJ guys and submission attempts.
The wrestling lobby is strong in the UFC and a lot of what they do is built on the well beeing of their wrestlers (and wrestling fans), but it doesn't necessarily mean that wrestling is THE technique or that it would work in a actual fight - all it means is that the sport of wrestling is a big factor in the politics of UFC MMA.
plz for your own good stop posting on this site....
I disagree, and I think a lot of the experts do, along with the sheer evidence that you see in the fighters themselves. It is likely that nobody who can't wrestle their ass off, will ever beat Lesnar. His wrestling shut down the multiple time HW champion, the guy with maybe the most agile guard in the HW divisions. Super-world class BJJ, in an experienced MMA champion, versus a wrestler who just took up the sport on a whim. Francis was helpless like a toddler. So was Heath, and Heath is one of the biggest guys in MMA, very very experienced since Pride, against a rookie wrestler, and it was maybe the most lopsided beating in MMA history...
Rogan has said it many times actually, and he was one of the all-time-great TKD champions, and he's a smart guy who knows MMA better than you or me. MMA fighters are turning toward wrestling to tie the wrest of their skillset together. It's why wrestling is being introduced all over the world in countries that have never practiced it traditionally. MMA fighters from these countries are taking it home with them.
The difference between someone like Chuck, and someone like Paul Daley, is that Chuck is a fantastic wrestler. He knocks people out because nobody can take him down, and since the wrestlers always dictates whether the fight is standing or ground, they have no choice but to try and box with him. If he couldn't wrestle, Tito probably would have beaten him every time.
Very smart post.
interesting perspective on wrestling in mma , nice post
"A wrestler without BJJ experience is just a victim in MMA"
Did you just hear about MMA yesterday?...
That was one of the best comments of the week....
IWrestling only became a factor because of the UFC rules, Fedornutts is right, in Pride the damage deliver from a fighter to another was the decisive factor of a decision, here we see a guy getting someone to the ground punching the kidneys for 15 min. and he gets away with the victory, in Pride days they would stand them up and make them fight.
By the way, Rua has nasty BJJ and he has finish wrestlers like Kevin Randleman on the ground, I do not think that Wrestling alone will get Rua´s tittle.
Pride had some of the greatest fighters but the rules and organization was the worse... They suck @zz
man.. actually i don see either of them beating rua..
i think rashad would have the better chance of the two if he stuck to his main strenght wrestling(not saying he would win but imo he has the better chance of these two fighters)
anyway we wont be seeing that fight as Rampage will beat Rashad
I agree, most people are just thinking of who they think is the better fighter when styles makes fights.
I agree, Rashad is better suited to fight Shogun but Rampage is suited to defeat Rashad. I would actually say Forrest would maybe be a better fight for Shogun even though i think over all Shogun is better. I think Forrest (might) have the style and pressure to slow down Shogun even though I also believe Shogun potentially can defeat more of the division than Forrest. Forrest may have a good number on him.
I think Rampage will do better dealing with the pressure shogun would put on him.
If Rashad wants to win against him he gotta take him down.
Just like he did last time?
bad argument p4p, that was in pride
aslong as rampage avoids shoguns clinch...we all know what happend last time.
im gonna go with rashad, hes much faster and is a more well rounded fighter, i think entertainement wise rampage would be a better fight but for compettitve purposes im gonna go with rashad
Rua and Lyoto are both head and shoulders above the rest of the heap.
i repectfully disagree...completely
i have to say rashad's speed technique and takedowns would provide him with a better chance to beat rua i dont see it happening .rampage was pretty much destroyed by rua and honestly i dont think he has gotten any better although rua has
I agree with you. For some reason no one is giving Rashad a shot against Rampage. I'm a huge Rampage fan, but Rashad has a shot of beating him......Rashad has a better chance of beating Rua, than Rampage would.
ask wanderlei if rampage has gotten better
no wandy has just gotten older
so has everyone else, time does that to people...ill also point out that wand is the same age roughly as another silva...think his names anderson?? oh and den ders randy couture still winning fights, hendo being what 40 by now?the training wand does means that him being 3 years older than rampage doesnt really matter, rampage has improved a lot since pride where he lacked a good camp or proper training partners he said it himself...
I think Rampage has a much better chance. Look at what Lyoto did to Rashad. Rashad doesn't have a chance.
I kind of disagree with you a little bit because styles make fights...Just because The dragon destroyed Rashad and Rua beat The Dragon doesn't mean that Rua is going to destroy Rashad as well.
Only the combination of Rashad and Rampage united in the cage against Rua can be successful.
Rashad by lay and pray. Rampage lost before and would lose again.
That said, I think Rampage will beat Rashad
I think they both can beat Shogun, but I will give the edge to Rashad because He is quicker than Rampage and he MIGHT (Yes might)be able to take Shogun down a lot. That been said, I would love to see Shogun vs Rampage II. That's the fight I'm looking forward to seeing.
even if evans takes Shogun down I really doubt he will be able to control and damage Shogun on the ground, Shogun will just get back up and knock him out like he did against Machida
In my mind though Rashad will never fight Shogun, cause Rampage is gonna destroy him.
Well, that's what we're all want to happen lol Also don't forget that Rampage might have some Cage rust since he hasn't fought for some time now. Props to Shogun man...he's come a long way and has been training hard for that belt so he finally got it. Hard work and dedication always pay off.
Rashad has played mind games with Rampage, so mentally he is ahead of the game as Jackson is prone to be weak mentally.
Shogun has beat Rampage and i think mentally Rampage can't handle the pressure. It wasn't too long ago he was being arrested in the street after drinking too much 'red bull.' If Rampage loses against Rashad he will do his self destruct thing big time, his entire ego is on the line.
So i say Rashad has a better shot than Rampage at Shogun, i would like to see anyone decent fight Shogun, someone new.
Rampage b/c of his power
Non of them have any chance... Rashad didnt had any chance against Machida... Rampage was completly dominated by Rampage... The only man who can fight with rua maybe Bader, Jardine or some1 who have unortodox style
You know what If Arona is healthy there should puta rematch together, just like in the old days Chute box academy vs Brazil top team
The way Forrest beat Rampage with leg kicks & how Shogun demobilized Machida in there 1st fight the same way come to mind.
I went with Rashad.
People think just because rashad is faster he will stand a better chance against shogun,well thats bull because he couldnt handle even tito let and tito had machida in trouble. Rampage remembers he got his ass whupped by shogun and that factor and his lethal hands will determine the outcome if they ever meet again. Shogun has never been hit with a punch with delivery like rampage.He would use lots of kicks on rampage and knee's boxing rampage has the advantage.overall shogun has the advantage with kicks and submissions.
I think rampage would do well against shogun. He got beat bad in shoguns clinch in pride, the same thing happened twice to him vs Wanderlei. I think he's evolved a bit since then, he ko'd wandy in the first round, and I'm sure he could give shogun a good challengeas well.
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i didn't clik anything can samone tel me who is wining
Rampage by like 120
Why should one of them get the fight? Rampage is barely coming back and Rashad hasn't had any really IMPRESSIVE wins to deserve the next title shot.
Rashad technical skill with leg kick,wrestling,power punch combination mixed up and he fast to have more chance to deal with Shogun style than Rampage.imo
I just wanna see bones jones face one of these guys
i dont think either of them can beat shogun, rashad got koed by machida and shogun already stomped rampage
I'm sure no one will agree with me but I think both of them can. Rashad will have to use his wrestling non stop, if he were to stop as he did with Silva he will get knocked out. Rampage will be able to cover up most of Shogun's punches but will be ate up by leg and body kicks. The way to beat Shogun is a perfect gameplan that must be enforced at all time.
Since Rashad will be drinking out of a straw soon. I would have to go with Rampage but I doubt he can beat him either
i think they both have an equal chance at beating shogun...but as of now i can't see any of them beating him. Shogun ****ed rampage up once....he'll do it again especially now that Shogun is looking really good. and as for rashad....he would have to try and finish shogun, cuz if he doesn't i feel shogun would chase him and eventually knock him out. Sure rashad will probably be able to throw him around, but he's not going to be able to do it for 5 rounds and we saw him get gassed (and almost knocked out because of it) in 3 versus thiago.
Let's not forget Shogun has a pretty good chin (he's never been knocked out)
Neither stands a chance. Dana s giving him an easy title defence. I think Rashad should beat rampage pretty easy. He has spent too much time doing other stuff. Bader and jones have a better chance a few fights from now. After machida if machida comes back. He has the beat chance if he learns to keep his hands up inside and use more diversity in his inside fighting. People are comparing him to Gracie bit he already is a mma fighter not one dimensional. If he continues his ground gameplan he could beat shogun. He rook him down easily twice in the first round. If he blocks the punches he will win.
Machida has been exposed... he been doing karate and fighting that style for over 25 years.... Shogun owns him now... that's 2 times he found a weakness in machida
Rampage has a punchers chance... He has a stone chin but he may not be technical enough for shogun... Rashad has a terrible chin and he can easily be taken out of his game and that would be terrible for him because shogun has bricks for fist...
I truly don't think there's alot of people the know mma alot off people just know ufc so they stick to ufc but before ufc good realy good there was pride fc where do u think most of the champions and famous mms fighters came from shogun was killing people in japan people like rampage noguera ricardo arona & allister overeem twice he beat all this guys in the tournament they had called pride grand prix where he had to figh 3 time in one night to win the title no one got close to what he did & people just notice who rua is but less the a year ago nobody gave shogun a chance against chuck or machida now every ones on his nuts so that goes 2 show u that people just talk 2 talk I do think machida is the secon best 205 in the world but I honestly don't think he'll lose this belt 4 a long time take this 4 example