The fight was too close not to reward BJ with a rematch.
I think Penn would have to re-earn it via climbing the ladder again...just like GSP did when he lost to Hughes (the first time) then to Serra....plus Dana is got to be thinking money during Penn's return
it has to be bj, when gsp was destroyed by serra they gave him an immediate rematch to prove himself, bj deserves the same...
after gsp lost to serra he had to fight kos then hughes before he a rematch please know what your talking about before you post
my bad, serras first title defence was against gsp doh, and the question is who should get the first title shot, so my point stands
Well seeing that GSP wasnt the champ when Hugues beat him that would make no sense and GSP only had like 2 fights to get back to the top of the WW division, plus alot of people think BJ won and one of them is me i think he deserves the first shot but if he doesnt get it Maynard better because he has beatin him and hes undefeated
Climing the ladder? Did he really get his ass kicked by Edgar?
What do you think BJ has done in the last 5 years at LW?
Dude, listen, the fight was too close to call he needs an immediate re-match just like Machida-Shogun.
There is a BIG difference between BJ now and GSP when he first lost to Huges, BJ was Champion and DOMINATED the LW division. It was not his 1st or second fight in the UFC,
If you don’t want to see BJ dominate and finish fools via beautiful subs, TKO’s, etc.. Who would you like to see? Frankie Edgar, Mayner, Sherk? LOL! Those cats are stellar Athletes but their game is not as polishes and exiting as Penn’s! If Penn defeats Edgar in LW come August, he will most likely vacate the title and move up to WW. That is the way I think it will go down.
I got my money on BJ on the re-match.
To close to call?
You're either an idiot or a BJ sicophant.
I have to grow up to voice my own opinion? WTF??
At the end of the day you don't pay my bills so quite frankly, I really don't give a shit what you call me or think of me. PERIOD.
It was too close to call. I had Penn ahead by one round. That is my take on it.
Relax, it's the internet.
Yes, you sound like a child, hence the "grow up" comment.
It still stands, however, I'll edit it to say "grow up and relax." Better?
I have no doubt that Penn deserves a rematch - but I think 2 things could be in play 1 - Dana is going to want to generate some profit - and most likely to get his number 1 LW to fight to reclaim the title match(so he's gonna promote the sh*t out of that). 2 Dana might want to milk Edgar's championship - if you think about it Edgar is the only person that beat Penn - that is HUGE.
Since you've mentioned Machida/Rua fight - I remember the mood of that win was in questionable state - Machida looked beat up and Rua was still fresh and energized. Just looking at older post you'll see the threads of people saying Rua was robbed and Machida fans are saying you have to beat the champ to be the champ. In this fight, however, in my opinion, was not that close of a fight - I thought Edgar scored his points by pushing the pace/fight, control, and takedowns.
Edgar stuck to his game plan - BJ didn't adjust his. I would like to see a rematch right away but after the Silva fiasco I think Dana is going to try to re-capture some fans and make money.
Doesn't matter, BJ was not near as close to winning as Shogun was. However, both of them lost fair in square, and the judging was great in these fights. Maybe you just have to be older and more docile to be completely unbiased in judgment, because that is what it takes. All of your arguments are praising your choice fighter, and not focusing on the facts. Facts are truths. So BJ should by all rights have to fight at least one top contender before a title fight, end of story.
The difference is that GSP lost to those guys and he was not a long time champion. He lost to Hughes before he even became a champion and Serra knocked him out. Penn in my eyes didn't even lose and imo in a close fight the champ should always win, and if they still lose its should be an automatic rematch.
Then again Rampage didn't get a rematch even thou I believe he won that fight with Forrest and Forrest sure has hell didn't take the belt.
In short thou, Penn HAS to get an immediate rematch.
But both times GSP lost he was destroyed as apposed to BJ who lost a REALLY close decision.
The shot should go to Grey or the winner of Grey and Florian. just to recap: GSP's first loss to Hughes was when he was the challenger so the point is useless. Also, GSP's loss to Serra didn't give him an immediate rematch!!! GSP had to fight hughes for a 3rd time at 79 for the contender spot bc Serra was injured and was scheduled to fight Hughes, GSP winning that fight gave him the rematch at 83.
I LOVE BJ, but he definitely didn't win that fight, he didn't take a lot of damage but took more shots and got taken down TWICE! BJ should fight one time at LW b4 they give him another title shot, or let Edgar defend it once and then give BJ the shot. btw BJ's record is getting pretty ugly... 15-6...
jackthedrinker89, GSP wasn't the champ but it was a title fight against Hughes, so good point.
BJ should have to beat the next top contender before a title fight, either Florian or Sotiropoulus, and Maynard should get the first shot at Edgar.
Gray Maynard deserves it - he is the only one to beat Edgar and he is also undefeated and has names on his victories.
I don't really like Maynard but he should fight for the title so Frankie can avenge his only loss.
rematch with penn, fight was really close could hve gone either way
Florian and Maynard should fight and the winner should get the shot.
I would enjoy any of those fights. I think George Sotiropoulos should be in the mix too. He just dominated Joe Stevenson, his record is 12-2, he is on a six fight winning streak, undefeated in the UFC and the two losses are a DQ for hitting Aoki in the groin and a split decision loss to Kyle Noke 5 years ago.
He didnt dominate Joe Daddy he get knocked out by the up kick they just didnt stop it u dont sit ur head on someones cup for 5 seconds on purpose but i do like him he should be in the mix atleast.
I don't remember that part but if he was unconscious that almost makes it a more dominant performance. Either way Stevenson couldn't do a thing with him. I'm glad someone else knows who he is. Despite a great career and his last fight he doesn't seem too well known.
bj penn should earn a rematch, he was unbeatable in 8 years and now he loses... i think he is really the one who deserves not to be send down the ladder
look it like this, why shogun gets a rematch with machida (true it was a superclose fight and a wrong decision for letting machida win) but he didnt get send down the ladder and tbh shogun didnt achieved that much in his carreer like bj penn did..
shogun was the youngest ever pride gp champion
I personally had BJ winning 48-47
Rematch like Machida vs Shogun
i wouldn't mind seeing bj fight a couple of fights before he get's another shot. i would like to see him fight tyson griffin and nate diaz for entertainment. both of those fighters never have boring fights. plus, i think nate beat maynard again just like he did on the show. maynard is better now, but he had nothing for diaz.
And yet, what did Diaz do to win the fight? I gave it to Maynard but really, it was a lackluster fight and could have gone either way without raising too many eyebrows.
Maynerd won the rematch dumbass.
its mayNARD. not mayNERD DUMBASS!
Maynard and Nate was a lackluster fight but hes my boy ever since TUF. hes got good heart and he aint gunna give up. In the nate diaz fight he didnt play his game with the show boatin. He wanted to be Gray and fight his own fight not Nates. Thats whats gunna make the fight good when Gray and Edgar fight. He beat him once just hopin he can do it again.
Come on guys, BJ lost already and it wasn't close enough for him to earn a rematch immediately, like the Machida/Shogun fight.
Maynard hasn't finished anybody in a long time... I think Kenflo would be perfect for Edgard !!
BJ has beat most of the ppl in the division hes earnt the right for a rematch!!!!!
Hasnt someone else done that, oh yea kenny florian
I thought the debate was immediate rematch......I dont think anyone is questioning that he should get a rematch EVENTUALLY, but there is no reason he cant go thru a couple guys first.
Kenny lost 2 straight then beat Gomi which i loved, didnt wana c no jap win in the ufc. but kenny hasnt earned it enough this time around. Gray is the one good fighter left, maybe not the most exciting but it seems alot of fighters are goin down that road.
bj is the best lightweight in that division in terms of talent n edgar fought a good fight to beat him...but even so i think bj should have to earn his rematch like other people who lose the title...maynard is unbeaten so i think he is the obvious choice, and then bj should fight florien and the winner of that, which proabbaly is bj, goes on to fight the winner of edgar v maynard.
I think Maynard deserves a shot, based on having beat Edgar, even though Kenny would be a more interesting fight.
I'd have BJ and Kenny go at it and give the winner a shot at the belt.
The only time the UFC gives an immediate rematch is when the original decision was an obvious error, as in Machida/Rua.
BJ lost his title in a decision that was close, no question. But it was not an obvious error in judgment. Even BJ didn't complain, and he usually complains after every loss.
I think Maynard is a no brainer. The fact that this is in question just once again confuses me when it comes to how UFC handles championship contention. As far as people saying they think BJ Penn won.....I dont wanna hurt your feelings but you clearly do not understand MMA, nor do you understand what is important as far as scoring points! Either that or maybe you are such big fans of Penn that you were unable to watch the fight without bias. I am just trying to figure out why you could even possibly think that Penn won? Its clear he didnt and there are 3 licensed judges who agree with me!
damn hows it taste now nuthuggers
maynard deserves the shot
i'd like to say florian v edgar
and maynard v bj
but that wouldn't be fair to maynard
i'd say florian v bj, but we just saw that and there's no point
you could say bj v gomi, but i don' think that'd even be close
i do think bj needs 1-2 fights before he deserves another shot against edgar though
BJ lost and doesnt deserve an immediate rematch... sorry charlie
It might just be me because i am a big fan of Kenny Florian and the way he fights, but i would say regardless of Frankie beating BJ Penn, Kenny Florian is the best light weight under BJ Penn. I think Kenny should get another shot at the title against Frankie, mean while BJ is climbing back up the ladder. Late next year BJ fights Kenny for the belt, because i think Kenny is the most well rounded of all the light weighhts and it would be a different fight if kenny was defending the belt. Ever since he lost to BJ at 101, he has looked way more sharp and is on a whole different level then he was back in August. I mean completely dominating Clay Guida was his first test, and you saw the great striking and submission of KenFLo. I think Gomi was a big test to determine where he stood in the lightweights, and kenny passed with flying colors i would say.
Edgar v Ken-Flo
Penn v Maynard
winner gets title shot.
only because Maynard needs to get his ass whooped already.
Regardless of the title picture I would like to see BJ vs Maynard. Feels like a fight that needs to happen just for the sports sake.
whats more is BJ was Gray's coach on TUF
Top contender should get the title shot. Probably Maynard. Penn should face Florian and the winner of that should get the next title shot.
As a rule - I am not in favor of immediate rematches. I certainly see no point for this one; Edgar won the fight, he out worked and out pointed Penn.
The way I see this is that people are upset with a legitimate victory; so what. Penn lost, big deal; it happens; he'll be back. Let him have one or two fights against some of the contenders and give him another shot. My guess would be that Frankie will lose to Maynard; I look for this title to shift hand a few times in the next number of defenses.
It is my opinion that another fight with FE right now, with Penn, would end up in the same result. And with that, those that are unhappy with whatever that decision would be, will once again say..."I want an immediate rematch, the judges got it wrong"...and we'll be off again...Penn V Edgar 3 UFC 117; it's ridiculous and it's unfair to all the fighters who are in line. It's like all the talk about GSP v Silva...screw that...his next fight is supposed to be against Sonnen, so let it happen; the man earned the fight, was told he'd get it...so, give it to him and stop playing all these games with the fight orders and that goes for Maynard v Edgar - GM has earned it, so give it to him and let the cards fall where they may.
Get over it, BJ lost - now lets move on; he will be back and I'm sure he will be champ again @ 155.
As a side note - maybe this finally puts an end to his dreams of going up to 170; he'd get killed by any of the big fish in that division.
Maynard should fight Florian, winner fights Edgar.
BJ got his ass beat badly and i do not think he deserves a shot just yet.
I think Frankie should fight Gray
what fight were u watching???? he didnt get beat badly at all, im not saying Edgar shouldnt have won, cuz that decision was okay, but it was not an ass kicking. I agree with the guy above. Maynard vs Florian and winner gets Edgar.
Why should someone coming off a loss get a title shot? This fight was not a controversy like Machida Rua, Edgar won fair and square. Gray deserves his shot. BJ will probably take the belt back, but he should have to wait.
lol are u saying machida didnt win fair adn square? its not like he paid off the judges.. The judges know what their doing.. The Machida Rua fight was THAT close that it got its rematch not becuz it wasnt a fair scored fight. I dont agree that Maynard deserves a title shot anyway.. His last win was against Diaz. Put him up against another contender, Maynard vs Kenflo and winner gets title shot
Penn should get a re-match ASAP... If he want's it, or just go MW
Maynard lost to Diaz twice (dont care what you think).... and is just a bore to watch.
Ken flow is prob at home begging god for this shot at the belt... he cant beat BJ, but im sure Kenny can beat Franky, K-flo is a beast.
i gotta disagree with you man, the way kenflo's been improving.. id watch out if I was Bj