Chael Sonnen's license denied by CSAC, suspension upheld by 4-1 vote

To all the little kiddies growing up in the world Chael is setting a great example...cheats never win in the end. He is getting what he deserves for being an ignorant, arrogant cheat.

Yeah, but I sure do enjoy watching that ignorant, arrogant, cheat beat folks up. 2¢.

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This is my opinion (and notes form this thread of other people's views) of the overall situation.



- Chael cheated and in sport that is unforgivable.

- He brings in big bucks for a fight, so it shows the CSAC are doing this for the right reasons if they're losing money over it.

- While he is being used as a scapegoat for Wall Street scumbags, by the government, if every middle man was to scared to commit fraud, the top dogs would have no one to do their dirty work for them.

- In my view the CSAC while being out of their jurisdiction is making the right choice, they feel justice isn't being served and are taking it into their own hands.

- Chael may be retired in the prime of his career, like many other fighters have, not because of an injury or any other unfortunate reason but because he s a liar and a cheat and CHOSE to do the wrong thing.

- Other organizations would just get him to fit somewhere else (maybe overseas), but this is what makes the UFC the best, they do it by the book and aren't about to do anything dodgy.

- If it was me I would get 10x the conviction, so for every ordinary Joe out there, every extra thing they put on his punishment is a good thing and example.

- This punishment of a liar and cheat is good for MMA in the world.



There are many other reasons but I am in a rush and I feel they are the main points, sorry if I missed anything.

this huy is a joke kick him the F*** out!

done with cheal moving on..

sorry I think he is a douche but.....man has a right to earn he has paid his due....... and should be able to fight....just think we could find out king of douches Chael vs. Bisping

wow dabs, some hating going on. Most people seem to be saying he has had enough punishment and served his suspension. Id have to agree with you, at the start i liked his talk regarding anderson, it hyped the fight and he was funny but as it went on we saw he was actually a liar. issues including the lance armstrong thing,his scams through work and then testing positive and now lying about who he told. It seems he has some issues about telling lies.

sonnen didnt cheat no 1 . the guy has been put in this vag spot light for months . he is the only 1 that showed up on fight nite ready too go too war . and was the only 1 yet that beat silva s ass up .

I'll admit... I'd like to see him fight soon. It sucks for us fans, but there comes a point where we need to put the need to provide for relatively safe, fair, humane competition above our desire to be entertained.



Allowing him to fight would be unfair to the true, fair players of the sport. By lying to the commission earlier, Chael has shown that, even after getting caught, he will continue to try to cheat the system. It is right for him to be punished further like this. Otherwise, whoever he fights next would probably be facing a cheater at an unfair disadvantage the same way Anderson was. Chael obviously still has to learn not to be lying, cheating douche.

if you were in many other forms of employment and found to be cheating and then subsequently lying to confuse the situation you would do well to ever be employed again within the industry which you worked if it was a well known case. A bad doctor can get struck off and prevented from working. i don't see why MMA fighters or any other sportsperson should be subject to the same rules in their sport.



Sonnen and any other cheat is thoroughly deserving of a ban however long as they bring the sport into disrepute, regardless of how much we may want to see them fight, integrity and justice are far more important.

normally id agree he has a right to earn money, EXCEPT when that money is being earned by causing harm to other pple, extra harm he is causing by cheating. He is not earning it fairly. I think he has a right to earn his money..... working at a mcdonalds.

Dabs is 100% right lol hes a great example of what happens to a cheater. Not just once, but twice.

uggg i guess, but IMO hes bad for mma as a sport, especialy after the roid scandal. Oh and the other thing that happend...

Thank you jsnwht. (Jason White? Like the OU qb haha.) Anyways you're right. There are plenty of fighters to keep me entertained.

let him fight in Texas, they dont give a sht about crimes outside the fight world

...a penalty that was a joke.



If I were to be judged for the same crimes, you wouldn't hear from me for 10 years.

But it was all based on his testimony which has now been deemed false in both legal circumstances of roids and fraud. This guy will simply cheat again when opportunity knocks.

Olypmic cheats get banned for life. I don't think allowing cheats to prosper gives out a good message for up and comers to the sport. the harsher the better i think as far as Sonnen goes as he is a foul mouthed cheating lying fraudster who does MMA a great disservice.

Point is he's not special and should pay for his crimes in the same fashion you or I would be judged by.



It's because of men like him the economy collapsed and lots of innocent people suffered. What really makes him different from the assholes from Goldman Sachs?

This is a joke! the CSAC is not the supreme court!

wtf they care about things not related to Fighting?

he already made his 10month suspension and pay his fine!



The Oregon state justice system already judge Sonnen! for his felony!

Now isnt CSAC stands for California State ATHLETIC COMMISSION??



So now is up to Athletic commissions to judge for Felonys outside their state !!!



This is BS! just let him fight and give him another fine! after all im sure they want more money!

@ doomsdayapex. Billions of dollars.

the economy collapsed because its 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 dollars in debt, have you looked into how much money was involved in the Sonnen case??

HunterB: I am aware of amount, but a murder is still a murder.



I see no difference in the amount. Given the opportunity, Sonnen would probably steal billions just like the scumbags that ran this country down the drain. Justice must be implemented. I take no solace in Chael only taking thousands. $10,000-$16,000 would kill anyone financially in my family.



Edub: You make good points as well but just the fact that he lied to the faces of investigators twice indicates he's a sociopath. There's also traits in personality that he is a compulsive/pathological liar. How can we trust him a third time? No, scratch that. How can we not NOT trust him?

I can see your point but who is to say Chael didn't intend to go further? Even Serial Killers start off with minor crimes.



He might off screwed 'one' family but minimal numbers doesn't make the crime any less significant. He was well aware of what he was doing and he went along with it.



In addition, Sonnen was blackmailed out of office in his 30's. The guy's personality is filled with unscrupulous and unethical behavior.



That's my point. Sonnen was probably a middle man but that shouldn't excuse him. His employers will more than likely escape but we should send the message (in Sonnen) to those who wish to try it again that there will be no mercy or compassion for their acts.



I chose my major to make sure that those who committed these crimes will pay for them. This far from over.

such a sensitive topic. Although there is a wide array of views and ideas that support and go against what chael got.. at least we can say that if you weather to harsh or to light.. ruled based on the right or wrong things that should have been left decided by someone else and not carried over into a business place... if you dont want bad shit to happen to you.. dont to wrong shit to other people. Personally its Karma imo

Chael is sort of being made an example of. But whos to say if this was his first offense, or just the first time he got caught?

I think Keith Kizer had this all planned as there was a moment that Sonnen used his name to weasel out of something - in effect throwing Kizer under a bus (I'll have to find that article) and I believe Kizer replied back with something in the lines of making it 'harder' for Sonnen to reapply for his license....in essence, this may be a strike back from the man - kizer soze (The Usual Suspects villain)

haha nice Kizer Soze reference

That sucks, was looking forward to him coming bk.

Leave Chael alone! just leave him alone! he didnt do anything except failing a drug test and being convicted of money laundering...two minor Federal Offenses

Instant Karma's gonna get ya!

****ing bullshit. Chael was fined, he was suspended he did the crime and he paid the time what more do they want!? unbelievable..

I'm not sure why, but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for this guy.

Yea, I feel ya on that. But what some aren't understanding when they say he did his time for the suspension, is that he actually did not... Which is the main reason why he is right back in this situation.... When he attended the first hearing, he lied to them. Which is why his sentence was reduced from 1 year to 6 months in the first place. So yea, he did his six months, but once the CSAC learned from Nevada that Sonnen had lied, their reason for reducing his sentence was no longer a valid one. So now, they are putting that time back on, with extra time for lying. Its ugly... I do agree that his federal conviction should have little to no bearing tho, because whether someone agrees with the court's decision or not, he was given a plea deal and is handling that with the appropriate officials. The CSAS is an athletic commission and his crime has nothing to do with athletics.

In a thread before people were saying your job and personal life should have nothing to do with one another but almost every job that you can make a lot of money they do care what goes on in your personal life. Especially sports jobs. In football there have been many instances where the commissioner gets involved with a player because of run ins with the law. Funny thing is Dana really hasn't had much to say about Chael from what I've seen. When sports stars get in trouble with the law its always made a big deal.

it seems that politics have eaten sonnen, if you live by it youll stuck by it. likewise if you live by a gun youll die by the gun.

he did his time let him work assholes!

"Don't do the crime is you can't do the time".



Chael messed up, and I have no problem with him getting punished for it. You can't equate that with Wall Street scumbags who stole billions, but there's enough space in jail for both kinds of criminals.



But it seems to me this suspension is about if Chael committed perjury, trying to cover up illegal drug use. If he did, he' screwed.



And if so, it'd be ironic, because if he's just confessed and taken the 1 year suspension, he'd be able to fight again.



I don't respect the choices Chael made, or everything that comes out of his mouth, but the sport will be diminished without him.

if there was a post in this topic that should be sharped, it's yours.



The ironic statement sums this situation up perfectly.

well, the list of fighters who can kick anderson's ass has just shortened

Hence why I don't like the athletic commission.

mixed feeling about this. chael is a complete douche and i think its funny. on the other hand i would of liked to have seen him vs bisping for the next tuf.

this has nothing to do with the money laundering the money laundering just proved he cant be trusted.. he's being suspended because he lied about talking to kizer concerning Replacement therapy(that lie was what made his initial suspension relatively short) today, kizer testified that he never spoke to chael (perjury anyone??).. and even if the replacement therapy was valid chael would have gotten in touble anyways his testosterone level was FOUR TIMES i repeat FOUR TIMES higher than the level allowed for TRT(Testosterone replacement therapy).. his racist and ignorant banter has endeared him to some of you but all the wrestling persona is hiding is a liar, cheater, criminal, fake tapper!!.. good to know karma is still a B*ooootch and some bad people do get punished instead of rewarded

When Chael lied to get his sentence reduced he was 'playing the game'. The CSAC had little choice but to come down on him HARD for doing that. The fact is a lot of fighters can negotiate penalties by pulling cheap tricks like that and it's hard for them to find out so they need it to be high risk for a fighter to try that. Slapping on a premium for lying is the only way they can stop fighters thinking it's worth the risk to try to cheat the commission.

I dont know why everyone is focusing on his other legal problems in this case, when the primary reason his license was denied was because he lied in court in the first case.



So saying "he served his time" just isnt true. He didnt serve any time for lying in court the first time.

i'll be the first to say i honestly dislike sonnen, but what the commission is doing is wayyy out of hand, his other crimes he already paid his dues for has been settled in no way shape or form should the athlete commission should have anything to do with what happened outside the fight world, thats like double jeopardy his been punished for a crime that has already been ruled for and now use a loop hole and talk about how he lied and suspended him for another year, they over powering what they need to be judging which is the testosterone and dragging other issues already solved and ruled by an outside court where the crime was committed, if sonnen is in fact retiring he should take this matter to the supreme court and let them handle it, his been punished for the same crime 2x and using the bad drug test and lies or w/e as an excuse, they shouldt even be talking about his other crime judge him on the fight world issue not his outside of the fight world issues....any ways his done with the fined and suspension he should be done 100% he did what they demanded for his lies/testosterone problem, this was just to re apply for a fighters license which in any case his done with his penalty and should have been giving the license not a second hand court hiring and another punishment again....these ass holes are abusing their power, justice is justice he was suspended and fined,by the athlete commission thats done he was fined an i believe realtor license revoke for his other crime, they just trialled him again for the money laundering issue again which it wast the issue at all and shouldt be handle by athletic commission.....its a shame...some might say he deserved it but the fact is that Wether the money laundering issue was a light sentence or not he has already paid for it and handle by the court system.........this world is crazy

So it should be okay that he lied in the trial of his first case?

Karma is a bitch isn't it Chael you douche bag.

Maybe he refused to launder money for them...

if he really wants to fight i am sure the ufc can accomodate him the put on several shows overseas where the csac has absoulutley no control

Good because I was getting tired of Chael using MMA as a platform to talk out of his ass.

hahaha. That's what you get for being a cheater, a liar, a bullshiter and a thief. The only sad part of this all is that he won't get to fight a motivated, injury free Anderson Silva while not being on PED

Chael is in his prime and by unnecessarily cheating puts himself out of competition for at least the next year.

Brock Lesnar in his prime and in a important fight ad now missed chance in his career will maybe never fight again due to ilness.

Some things in life just aren't fair!

Viva La Sonnen!!!!!

what does he expect? he got what he deserved.

I think Chael Sonnen may be set up as the example to other fighters to fight clean and live legally.



I also think it is a message to the general public that this is a respectable sport.



Undoubtably Chael can fight. For the good of the sport he may never fight again.



I don't know Chael, or have all the facts/ information or the qualifications to judge his position.



If Chaels sacrifice prevents the next generation of the sport cheating, lying and living dishonest lives then the sacrifice for those of us who respect his ability may have been worth it.

Next stop, Japannnnn