Cesar Gracie puts the brakes on Condit vs. Diaz II discussion
Posted on February 8, 2012, 02:27 PM by Joey Santosus
Just hours after receiving confirmation that the newly crowned Interim Welterweight Champion Carlos Condit had accepted, it now appears that the rematch between he and Nick Diaz will not happen.
UFC President Dana White announced late Tuesday evening that Condit had, in fact, agreed to face Diaz in a rematch, revealing that the Jackson's MMA fighter would be headed to Las Vegas on Friday to finalize the bout.
However, contrary to such reports, Diaz's manager, Cesar Gracie, has already put the brakes on any possible negotiations. When reached for comment by MMAJunkie.com, Gracie said only "no" in response to whether or not there would be a rematch, but declined to offer any further explanation.
Controversy arouse surrounding the outcome of their first meeting, which headlined last Saturday's UFC 143 event at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada. Though heavily favored to defeat Condit and move on to challenge Georges St. Pierre for the undisputed Welterweight title, Diaz found his normally high-volume offense stifled by a patient, more strategic Condit.
Despite outstriking Diaz, landing 46 more significant shots than the former Strikeforce champ to sweep the judges' scorecards and win a unanimous decision, many fans, as well as the Cesar Gracie team, felt that the "Stockton Bad Boy's" forward movement and aggression should have earned him the nod.
While the debate has shown little signs of slowing in the days that have followed, with the possibility of a rematch now off the table, "The Natural Born Killer" will remain the interim champ and await the return of Georges St. Pierre.
Further Reading: Dana White: Carlos Condit has accepted the rematch with Nick Diaz
Photo: Scott Hirano
Comments
guess diaz came to the realization that he didn't win after all
Either Diaz is playing hard to get and trying to milk the situation (get a fat pay, as he's always complaining about being "underpaid) OR he's decided to retire from the sport. The UFC and the sport of MMA will move on with or without him. At his place, I would cease the opportunity of the rematch to show that he's the "most complete" and dominant MMA fight he claims to be...
Dana is not going to go for that crap with Diaz or Caesar Gracie. If they continue to think they are playing any cards, they will get passed up real quick. watch and see
Caesar Gracie is such a diva.
Nick can't match foot for foot with the welterweight long distance champion.
Fight reminded me both of demian maia versus silva, and the result reminded me of machida vs rampage.
Nick can't let himself get hit for free to that extent i guess, no point in having a rematch to prove that.
Diaz Smokes Blunts and Does Not Care
Well to me the best comparison was the BJ vs Edgar fights, but it definitely was more like the first fight then the second one.
I think Diaz refusing the rematch after claiming he won says more than any statistical analysis of the fight ever could.
I think he doesn't want to waste his time. It's awesome to read statistics and make dumbass assumptions from an armchair, but when you KNOW that a guy only hit you because you let him, and he had to literally turn around and run after you bullied him into the corner you really have nothing to prove.
If i were nick i'd just let condit fight GSP, get bodied or hugged or whatever, and then step up to the plate.
It was he right decision to decline a rematch. Either Diaz really doesn't want to fight in MMA anymore and Cesar Gracie couldn't convince him to fight again or Diaz wants to let Condit fight GSP because he earned the win even though it wasn't an exciting fight.
Why?why?
Caesar Gracie just tweeted that he was tired of hearing Nick's fans whine about how he should have won because he walked forward.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. JK B P
Rumours are abound that this has more to do with Diaz acting "stubborn" again, and not Gracie being opposed to a rematch.
Nothing confirmed, just read it.
It's one website's claim. Very vague and only a few days after the fight. Who knows if he even spoke to nick yet. Wait until Dana says something before jumping to conclusions.
What are u on super-retard denial mode? It's Nick's manager's statement, not a website's "claim." Cesar tweeted way before this whole shit storm about a rematch broke loose and said from the start it wouldn't happen. He said he would be explaining why soon, but wants to let MMAFighting break the story.
Yeah I am in super retarded denial mode because I have an opinion other than you. Maybe you should school me with a keyboard kimura. I read the mmafighting article and I understand how people like nick work. I hope you will be ready to eat your retarded words in a couple weeks.
didnt condits manager say no to a rematch hours before they said yes
cesar tweets the nick is a warrior and would rematch in a second moments after he says there will be no rematch. Im lost...
maybe nick is just tired of getting ****ed by cecil peoples
Lame....
I was cautious about a rematch happening because Diaz's camp hadn't been heard from. But I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about the fight not happening either.
It hasn't even been a week since the match Even if Diaz says he won't fight, the UFC will give him a month or so to think about it.
No rematch, please!
Is it me or are their more dumbasses here who have nothing to contribute but insults. This used to be one of the best mma sights but lately their have been a lot of keyboard tough guys. Or more than usual. Usually they have names like tapout..., or MMA...., or probably have affliction tattoos.
Don't make me put you in a interweb triangle dude. Put up or shut up! What, 209 baby!!
Quit crying you sensitive little girl.
I "weak"ed you 'cause there's no "baby'" button!!
I am not sensitive i just know mma and have a vocabulary so I don't need to dribble worthless nonsense into a discussion. I am sure there are WWE or Disney blogs you will feel more at home in.
You have a vocabulary? Seriously? In your last comment alone you used the wrong form of site, spelling it "sight," and then used "their" when the form you were looking for was "there." I'm not one to pick apart grammar, but if you're going to bring it up you might want to try proof reading.
They are called typos. Especially on an iPhone that changes words do you know the difference between vocabulary and typos? Can you explain yourself without insulting others if they disagree? Or is that pretty much standard for you?
Nice try. IPhone doesn't change 'there' to 'their' and neither does it change 'site' to 'sight.'
No but it finishes your words and when I in the car I press space to finish up he word. Now you are arguing semantics. Totally ignoring the point. Which is to try and debate technique rather than cowardly insult people overthe Internet.
lolll i was thinking the same thing, i get auto correct mistakes all the time, but i type in french on an english OS, makes sense in my case, what a tard that guy is lol.... busteddd
Not the interweb triangle. Tap
nice, lol, way to follow a progressive joke that goes no where.
Whether you like it or not hard/casual fans always a winner and without them is no entertaining no money no honey :)D
Just get over the fact that he got beat FAIR AND SQUARED! this is getting ridiculous,btw F%^&*@# you Dana!
That's completely debatable. Wether or not he won the judges score was way off. It was a hairline decision. Condit had a great gameplan but he ne'er really developed any kind of offenses that put Diaz in any kind of danger. Diaz put condit in danger with a takedown and back control.
That should be a split decision for either or a draw. Way to close to call. Condit out struck Diaz only with leg kicks. If condit had turned it up just slightly when he saw an opening I would agree with the decision but he played it to safe for a definitive winner. Diaz scored more body shots and head strikes. Condit never used those legkicks to pounce on Diaz when he should have been slowing down from the damage.
It's a debatable call. Condit had a great plan but I don't think he executed it all the way.
I just talked to Chuck Norris so I could show you it was not debateable but he just lowered one eye lid slightly into a squint and while I shat myself in fear the truth was made clear that what I had proposed was not fact but stupidity. I am thankful for my life now and also realize that the Diaz Condit fight is debatable to us mere mortals. He could have given me the answer but he doesn't like chreaters.
I dont blame Nick, i am only a fan and i feel deeply insulted, not only by the judges but by all the motherf...ers that said that running was a f...ing gameplan, by Dana Fu...ing White that said he thought Condit won by running. I would understand if Diaz doesnt want to make part of this bullsh..t. He trained everyday for the runner to run scared and people said he was brilliant, F..ck you everyone you are all p...ss..es. Im not watching any fight any longer i retire with Nick Diaz the only guy with courage enough not to be a yes men like all of you are.
I think that's the worst post I have ever seen
Bruce dont let hate or m1 see that they will be jealous.
"yes"
It's times like these I wish there was a "retard" option.
So you're a quitter is all your trying to say?
^^yes, please retire with Nick^^. What a brilliant comment....
How come the Diaz Douche Defenders are not bringing up the fact that Nick could not execute HIS 'strategy'?? All you hear is that "Condit ran like a punk", "Condit didn't fight". Its ridiculous that he is not getting credit for his great performance. Carlos' whole game plan was to do what he did, strike and evade. Diaz stuck to his game plan which was zombie stalk and hammer. His own pride made him lose that fight.
Nick could have, most likely, defeated Condit without much issue if he took it to the ground more than ONCE in 25 minutes. Either he was not confident in his BJJ, or he was too proud to not throw a million jabs that missed. Nick hates boring fights and I'm sure would hate it if he was ever accused of 'lay and pray'. It's own damn fault he lost the fight. Suck it up.
I have brought that up. Constantly. Diaz underperformed. Just not enough to loose like people in conduits corner say. The fight was not easy to score. I have it a draw. I have no problem with a hairline decision but the judges were way off. Conduit did very little damage and neither did Diaz. It was a draw IMO. Rematch.
This is exactly what i'm sayin.......how could you have had this 5 rounder a draw? Did something dramatic happen in one of the rounds that we missed? Cuz the only way it could have been a draw is if you scored a 10-8 for someone in one round and I see zero logic for that even happening....
It's a draw figuratively. According to the 10 point must I believe Diaz won. It's completely subjective because it was too close to call. I would want a rematch if Diaz won if that makes you feel better. The judges score was way off.
how can you score a 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 round fight a draw without any 10-8's or point deductions..
run forrest run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wn6EIyNYxs
run to the hilllllls.....
diaz will payed better than condit for alllllll time.....
course he is a real fighter and in this sport u can be the champ but never gone be The Peoples Champ!!!
look at the hall of famers all fighters
Greg F....ing Jackson : Run Carlos Run !!!
Marathon interim champion!!
Are you still here? I thought you retired.
Caesar Gracie advice... Cry, cry and cry some more. I wanted to see Nick win pretty badly, but he really did show his true colors here. It's a damn shame. Not that he lost, one of them had to lose, just the way he cries about EVERYTHING. I have no respect for people crying about stuff they had total control over. Nick was in the cage and did not execute a game plan at all. Took him down with 30 seconds left and attempted 4 illegitimate arm-bars and chokes.
Where u at Diaz ? you're scared homie !
Now thats one worthless post right there. ( " )( " )
In the countdown show diaz said try to kick and punch moving backwards and carlos did and how the hell u punch some more then they punch u if u running?
He didn't. The only thing Carlos outstruck nick at was leg kicks.
Ummm. The judges don't care about how many strikes are thrown. Just landed. Carlos Condit landed way more strikes with hands and feet. People need to take out there scratching pads and re-watch the fight. I agree, I don't think he did much damage at all to Diaz, but nor did Diaz to Condit and he LANDED far fewer strikes (Both hands and feet) than condit. Remember (Open hand slaps don't count as a landed hit in the judges eyes)
I watched it again .... And I can tell Diaz won that fight
First I was like condit won but fighting like a bitch
But after this with no commentary and a different point of view
This make me feel bad !!! U can hear almost ever hart punch of Diaz
From 1 2 3 all Diaz like organ said it
4 was clearly condit and 5 Diaz
This was a robbery ....
This needs to get watched and re-judged again
I understand Cesar is complaining there is no rematch needed Diaz won that shit ....
Evan now gsp said Diaz won it unquestionable
If you as a coach have any faith in your fighter at all. You encourage rematches and growth. You don't encourage whining, crying and then quitting. The worst part is. Gracie is going to give sooo much attention to Nick when Nick doesn't deserve or want it, when it should ALL be going to nate, until he follows in his brothers foot-steps on not being able to take a loss.
Nick says, he doesn't accept the loss. Had the judges gone the other way, would he have accepted the win? Definitely. I really hope Caesar does not teach this kind of follow through otherwise, he's gonna have quite a few fighters in trouble in 2012.
I'm sick and tired of this subject.rematch and not rematch. Things getting kind of girly
Besides all the jokes. This whole thing rubs me in a funny way. 1. I love MMA when guys for a finish, and there are so many ways of doing so, and i stand behind guys that try to "finish" their fights. 2. Particularly due to Condit vs Diaz, there was a sense that Condit won by strikes landed, but majority of strikes that he threw were leg kicks, and not like Shogun kicks, he was kicking while backing away, and scoring points, and i find that for MMA to be considred a sport decisions like this should be made in who landed more strikes. But ultimately what makes MMA so exciting is that fact that anything can happen, but sometimes it just doesn't, and that is O.K. But i'd like to see a rematch, I believe Diaz expected Condit to go for the kill but instead he fought "smart" by outpoint Diaz with more strikes. So i am torn, should out-striking somebody with minimal damage be above engaging in "trying" to finish a fight. I don't' know. But the judging system should continue to grow and evolve, and i hope it does. We need an ultimate consensus of judging. Truthfully i think working for points works more effective then the 10-9 rule. A take-down is worth so much points, standing up cost so and so, successful strike, attempted submission, escape, ring control, aggression etc.
so do you think the same when Aldo fights....very similar styles
The only thing is. Diaz didn't try to finish the fight. With 30 seconds left he ATTEMPTED a few things that he never even got close to getting off. That was all so he could say, "Look i took his back and yada yada yada." which is exactly what he did with that. If nick wanted to finish the fight or make it look like he wanted to, he should have attempted something other than raising his hands and shit talking for the first 4 and a half rounds.
Once again, I am a huge Diaz fight fan. But that doesn't mean he deserves more respect than the people who EARN their respect and can take a loss and come back stronger without crying every moment in between losses. That being said, it was JUST ONE poor showing for Diaz after like 20 great fights. Quitters make Failures not champions. All there is to it. Gracie doesn't train champions, he trains excuses...
???? Nothing even close to similar.
whoa there buddy slow down you went from mma being fake to the U.S. being nazi's in one paragraph
Don't like it here.....MOVE!!!!!!!!
That was for smashy by the way!!
My guess is somebody has been caught using PEDs. Either condit didn't cycle right. Or Diaz for marijuana.
marijuana isn't a PED you moron. not sure that you even know what the acronym stands for... goddamn people are stupid.
With Nicks mentality he's probably saying something like, he beat him already, he walked the guy down for 5 rounds, he was more aggressive, blah blah blah blah, why should i fight him again. If Nick doesn't take this opportunity of a re match, which i give Condit BIG props for agreeing to cos he didn't have to, then Diaz may as well retire imo, big loss to MMA or not. I think Condit may even have agreed to that re match against Jacksons wishes too, Greg would have wanted him to wait it out for GSP i'm sure. Oh well, the chance has come and gone now and no one can say now that Condit wasn't prepared to do it again and isn't a gamer......