Broketober: Cain Velasquez robs Dana White of his Casino Chips

Caintober would have been a better choice of words

This first two paragraphs sounded like some random idiotic douche from Sherdog posted it but the rest was good. Good work Anton?? o_O

sorry but Dana isnt upset he is complete business man

Brock brought in PPV but Cain brings in more and is a good

champ there was a ton of other chit going on to make a UFC show

you have to multitask and at the post presser he didnt seem upset about anything......Cain will bring more money than Brock ever did

had most online sells ever...Dana will always talk great and back

his Champs.......ppl make sound like he was up set because a white guy lose and a latino won I dont get it?.....

and the UFC has been trying to figure out how to bring UFC to

mexico for a couple years

Um Anton Cain beating Lesnar is not Werdum beating Fedor by far! Cain actually had a chance people thalt he could win but idc what anyone say No one said Werdum was gonna win!

Dana gotta be pissed,but the UFC didn't cut lesnar, so the dude is still the biggest draw

Cut Lesnar? WTF are you even talking about?

oh dont worry brock uncle dana wiill give u a nother shot at it too get ur ass handed too u again. please lesnar go enjoy ur hunting trip in canada show the peeps that huge slice on your cheek. poor baby. lol

Im sure he would laugh at you if he knew who you were. Your the one who needs to watch him fight even though you hate him.

mir dropped his jar of hair gel when he heard lesnar lost his title. lol now i can get my title back.

It's horseshit, Dana has no need to be upset, now he's got the biggest draw AND 5 champions he can still promote, if anything Lesnar's comeback fights are going to make more money than champion fights.

thats it. If he wins its a big PPV cause hes champ but if he lost which he did we get to see his title run, and those fights might as well be a title match.

I could see Mir actually turning down the fight for now. He said himself going into the Cro Cop fight that if he couldn't impose his will there, he wasn't ready to do it against the likes of Cain, Shane, or Brock. He failed to take Cro Cop down over 3 rounds, so his wrestling isn't there yet. He wants to win, not get raped in the eyehole again.

bull shit son, after being dominated by Cain and almost knocked out by carwin, Lesnar has to beat more than a mir to get another title shot give me a break, i wanna see him beat nogueira and carwin or JDS before he gets another shot, he didnt even look like an MMA fighter against Cain.

The only guy i see taking Cain out is Carwin if he comes with good cardio. It would be a very interesting match because they are very similar, both good stand up and wrestling but Shane will have the size advantage. JDS has very good boxing but i see Cain taking him down, wearing him out and a TKO in the late rounds

Agreed, i dont see how Jds can beat Cain based on his very average perf aganst Roy. Roy might be tougher than i think but jds was really gassed round 5 and very slow and one dimensional. A bit unconvincing as Anton put it.

carwin does not have good stand up, what he has is power in his hands thats all, cains speed on his striking would take care of that and dos santos hads good take down defense on the nelson fight but that wont be good enugh against cain.

Let's also not forget the power in Cain's hands. I was surprised to hear those Sports Science results recently.

jds has pretty good bjjj though.

lmfao how in the world could you possibly know that unless you train with him

Any one of the UFC HWs can take the belt at any given time. Cain and Brock both have a total fight count of 13 combined.

They all got skills for sure, Brock having less imo but its gonna be about mental strength and preparation. I really looking forward to see how good is Cain in the champ's shoes, without the underdog's motivation.

Lol, exactly Hype (actually its 16 combined, but your point is still valid). Thing is, everyone is ready to call Cain the #1 Heavyweight with such few fights. Yet, Brock who only had one or two less fights then Velasquez, has clearly beaten better competition and many scoffed at the idea of calling him the #1 Heavyweight. The bias is thick...



As far as Dana White, I do not think it matters to much to him. I think that people like to think that somehow he loses in this situation, but Brock will continue to be a draw whether he is champ or not. Its far from the same thing as Werdum defeating Fedor in Strikeforce. That whole promotion was built around Fedor and his supposed invincibility... and I don't need to tell you that the UFC would do just as well if Brock retired today.

Lol, its funny cause i said in a post earlier, "Cain will beat Brock, then Dos Santos will beat Cain, then Carwin will beat Dos Santos....And i got WEAKED hard lol. I was saying it half cheekily have seriously, but now im startin to think that could very well happen.

However I also said before the Carwin Lesnar fight that I think the world of Cain and that he will go down as the best heavyweight of all time. I just don't like the Dos Santos matchup for him personally, and I think that may be the one bump in the road he faces, but who knows man there are so many great fighters out there at heavyweight now anything can happen its the craziest most unpredictable division.

HW division in mma has always been and always will be the weakest division.



honestly brocks demise just proves how bad all the HWs are.

They aren't bad. It's just that no one is way better than all the rest.

@sdsd

Your right the HW division has always been weaker than the rest but if anything Brock being champ exposed that considering how long he's been in the sport and limited skill set. I gotta disagree with this whole Dana will be pissed the Latino market is huge Cain will easily do 800k + for PPV as champ and Brock will do the same numbers without the belt so there's a balance there

I don't see how the champion losing the fight to someone who likewise has been kicking ass means everyone in the division can't fight.

not really, there are alot of solid heavyweights. Middleweight is probly the worst, other than having Anderson silva, vitor belfort, franklin and sonnen before the roids. Nothing more than that, akiyama bisping and leben are eh

Agree with you MMAfan.

disagree. lightweight has gotta be the weakest after penn and sanchez moving to WW. edgar v maynard cant even make the main event, not really much else apart from ken-flo in the division that i would class top quality. middleweight is still quite weak but who in their right mind would drop from lhw to mw when silva is sitting at the top?

You have gotta be kidding me surely. LW is crazily stacked. I suggest you take a closer look at their roster and stop being such an ignorant fool.

@ BigNog22: Why would former champ be cut after being defeated?

you can be sure dana is not pissed it was a win win situation for him. if brock won he would of kept his king. with cain he has the guy who beat lesnar and the first mexican american hw champ to help him break into the mexican market

@postmortem

That was I thinking Brock will still do 800k + PPV buys without the belt. As for Cain the UFC will not just get Mexico but the Latino market in general so in the end Brock buys might drop couple 100k but Cain will rise a couple 100k like you said a win win for the UFC.

Awesome article. Very good analysis of Brock.

I agree that Brock is a huge draw but Dana White is still laughing to the bank. Cain winning just opened up the possibility of having the next heavyweight title defense in Mexico. Then maybe a mexican TUF reality series and so on. The marketing opportunities are endless for the UFC. Dana is just shuffling his casino chips.

lets hope there isnt mexican stuff everywhere now and i pray to god that we wont have a mexican TUF.

that statement just shows how ignorant people can really be.

ur a funny guy.....

I was never a big Brock fan from the start. In fact, I would even root against him. But I quickly gained a lot of respect for the guy to the point where I became a Brock Lesnar fan. I am a big fan of Cain aswell, and I thought Cain was going to win the fight, but I am a little rattled that it went down the way it did. (I was hoping Lesnar would control it for 2 rounds then Cain would take over and win). But obviously as an MMA fan its impossible to always get the results that will make you happy. I just feel terrible for Brock Lesnar, more so then I have felt for any other fighter in defeat. I feel the UFC wronged him in the fact that they took advantage of him being a huge PPV draw and gave him the title shot so quickly. Sure feed him to the wolves but give him a steady diet of mid to top level guys ranging in skill level and style. They hyped him up large and I'm sure he beleived his own hype aswell. I'm not saying Brock is a bad fighter or anything, he's amazing, look at the guys he's beat in the time he has been in the sport. I just feel that if he didn't have the name and the image he had, and he took a normal route into the UFC, he would have had the potential to be one of the most dominant champs in MMA history (not to say he wont be in the future). Look at Cain, started his pro career in 2006, probably had to train a few years in MMA before he even got his pro debut and then he went 6-0 in the UFC against a progressively talented line up of guys. Basically to sum it up I just have a really bad feeling in my stomach in the aftermath of this fight because of how big a fall from grace Brock experienced. Everyone gets caught and I expect big things from him, but his image has changed drastically (I'm sure he does not care about this) after this fight and I don't think he deserved this fate. Again I'm not trying to diminish Brocks accomplishments and say "ahh man hes all hype and he got smahed and i knew it all along, he's done!", but fighting is just too intrinsically detailed of a sport for us to expect that a guy like Brock can consistently beat top level guys with 2 years of MMA training, and 6 fights of experiance.

True, i agree with u 100%!!!!!

I have actually detested Brock from the beginning, mainly because beause he got the title shot to soon. But i have to say that i got some respect ofr him for what he has accomplished with only 2 yrs training, that is impressive. Still not enough to get me to root for the guy though!!!!

I have been a huge boxing fanatic my whole life, but its politics and playing around with the rankings is what turned me off to boxing and got me more turned towards MMA.

I understand the PPV deal and why they gave Brock the shot but he didn't deserve it. You have to have to deserve to get a title shot, its would have been 1 thing if it was Fedor that they gave a title shot that fast but to someone without MMA experience. Come on, man....

Yes, the should have let him climb the ladder just as the rest have to do. There are plenty of guys out there that train their asses of every day to get that tilte shot, and for them to get bypassed by a guy with no actual MMA experience is a disgrace, and for that DW and the UFC should be ashamed. Its one thing to wait in line and be bypassed Fedor, Vitor or someone else who is a legend in this sport( i don't think that they like it but i think that they understand it), but to be bypassed by rookie with no MMA experience whatsoever is a disgrace.

And the critics of MMA is having a fieldday with this behaviour about MMA claiming to be a legitimate sport, that there are no true ranknings and how people get bypassed. Its a problem and they should fix it real fast, or even sooner.



Was happy with the result, Cain made my day when he smashed Brock face. Now Brock can go back and train, build himself up and maybe someday he will be one of the greatest of all time, but i doubt it.



Other

Wow, what a well written article. Several insightful and eloquent turns of the phrase. Nice work. Nice piece.



There is so much cheap internet reporting out there without depth or quality writing. Bravo.

I knew Cain would win but damn he did faster than i expected. Its funny how many people didnt even give Velasuez a shot people saying Brock is the better wrestler and Brocks too big and if Carwin couldnt do it how will Cain do it? hahahaha I knew Cain would stop Lesnar though i just hope people will stop calling Lesnar the best HW now

Awesome page... The Aztec Warrior destroyed The Viking man...

shoulda watched deadliest warrior and we would have all not been so suprised.

Love that show haha!

I watched all of that long ass post fight press conference and I didnt think dana was pissed about cain winning.

As big of a PPV as Mir vs Lesnar 3 would be, I wan't to see Brock face a guy who is known primarialy as a wrestler but has some standup game too. I don't know who that could be without a signifigant drop in competetion. Mike Russow maybe? I don't see that matchup being made or Brock deserving that low of competetion, but I'm intersted on who he will fight next.

dray 12 ''I wan't to see Brock face a guy who is known primarialy as a wrestler but has some standup game too.''



you just saw it in carwin and velasques, both were wrestlers who turned to mma. lesnar was exposed both times.



i would be shocked if lesnar fought russow next that would be pointless really. i could see lesnar facing someone like gonzaga but wuldnt be suprised if it was mir if dana has anything to do with it,

Lol ya i know, but those are the kinds of guys he is going to have to beat if he wants to be champion, so why avoid them? Thats why I am saying a midlevel guy with those characteristics, although thats hard to find and I doubt it would happen. We are probably going to see Mir vs Lesnar 3.

If the UFC is thinking long term, they will give him atleast 3 more fights until a top title shot, or even until a top contender spot. I hope he fights soon, knowing him he will want to get right back in there, but it may be best if he has time off and a long training camp.

I would just like to see the guy get a chance to develop into a fighter... He has a ton of potential and ability, the question is will he ever get a fair shot at becoming the best he can without getting further exploited.

Roy nelson could pose some challeges for brock. and if he beat nelson it would put him back on track to title contention. and it would be a hell of a lot better than.......mike russow?

Exploited? Didn't Brock ask to be thrown in at the deep end? He asked for this, and gets a nice bank balance for the honour too. I think Dana White actually believed his own hype regarding Brock and I agree he hasn't had the best route for development, but it isn't exploitation, he requested it.

He asked to fight in the UFC... Its not his fault he was able to win the title and defend as many times as anyone in the history of the UFC.

So everyone saying that want him to face easier competition? I do not get it I tought that´s what made him such a star from the begining.

Hey, if thats how you look at it then cool... One thing is proof positive tho, he was fighting tougher competition then any other Heavyweight in the world. So what does that say about the division?

As Bas Rutten would say it .... "Danga Da Danga Da DANG!"

As Fozzy Bear would say....Woka woka woka

Floka flame!!!!!!!!!

I think Brock will probably come back pretty strong. Losing actually opens up more fights for him which means more money for Dana. The day he gets ko'd by Roy Nelson though will probably be time for Brock to hang it up!!

"Velasquez ended the UFC's Cult of Personality for Brock Lesnar in an impressive fashion"



Ended? I wouldn't say that. You can argue that Lesnar was winning, until he got caught. I don't think this beating exposes Lesnar, it exposes it Cain. When he obliterates JDS, people will have to start taking seriously the idea that he's the greatest HW in MMA history.

I have to admit I admire the unconditional love you have for Brock. I've never seen that in a man (you wouldn't happen to have tits would you?). Other than that, I think only you could argue Lesnar was winning at any point in that match, just like only you would call Cain the greatest hw in mma history after 1 title defense. Next thing you'll be calling him an unprecedented athletic phenom... :D

I could swear I have seen similar posts from you ston3 on other threads, I think the difference was Brock was gonna be the greatest HW in history. get a life you fool.

Man, you love Brock! I used to argue with you, but it useless now.

Well I gues the only thing that is left for every Brock Lesnar fan is that he got beat by the best ever and that would make him number two in history... Whatever helps them sleep at night I´m cool with it...

brock lesnar ranked number 1 heavyweight in the world he got beat up by carwin and velasquez.... something that hasnt happen to fedor even he has lost

i think velasquez is number 1 if he beats dos santos he is for sure

What happened here doesn't surprise me at all, people seem to forget how incredibly badly Brock locked against Carwin, it wasn't that Brock did some amazing comeback but that Carwin just checked out after the first round.



The proof of this was shown us in this fight, Cain just ran right over Brock and honestly I think Cain would be Brock 10/10 times.



So how is that anything like Fedor getting caught in a submission but one of the best HW BJJ fighters of all time? It was a short fight but it started with Fedor taking the advantage then getting caught. I would still bet my money on Fedor in a rematch but you'd have to be crazy to put your money on Lesnar in a rematch with Cain.



Also how was that an "unconvincing" performance by JDS? Roy is a lot better then people think and without a doubt JDS is the hardest match up in UFC for Cain. When has JDS been taken down? Is JDS actually faster then Cain? If he goes down it will be the highest level BJJ fighter Cain has rolled with to date.

Sadly for the UFC what this fight means is that 3 out of the top 5 HW are not in the UFC.

I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing for the UFC. They used Brock to fill a void when the division was pretty thin with talent. It now has some decent fighters on its roster and it is better having a MMA fighter rather than a powerful wrestler who is like a fish out of water with good strikers as the champ. Lesnar was never a proper champ in my eyes, I like his attitude and have come to like him as a person of late, but all the while he was the apparent best the UFC had to offer, made a mockery of the HW division. People should have clued onto this after Carwin ragdolled him, but they have now seen how out of place Brock can be in the octagon.

How would this upset Dana? He just opened up a whole new market. A first ever Mexican champion is HUGE and it is going to bust the Latin American market wide open. Cain just made the UFC millions of dollars. And Brock will still net huge draws as everyone is going to want to watch his comeback. It's a win, win for Dana; the best thing that cold have happened for the company.

i dont understand people hating on Cain, he is way more well rounded than lesnar, he has dominated and handled his bigger opponents in UFC way better than Lesnar has handled his smaller opponents. Cain looks like he could make a drop to 205 and he dominated lesnar.



who really cares what upsets Dana White hes not cooking me dinner or sucking my... so why do i care about his mood

I hate hearing how brock is one of the best heavy weights... He's a cash cow for dana white and the ufc,White is going to keep pushing his fights. There are plenty of heavy weights that can beat brock. Lesnar has a big mouth and is a bad example for a champ. **** brock and **** Dana. I hope that hatchet wound on his cheek humbles him a bit