Brock Lesnar: Myth Confirmed
Posted on July 4, 2010, 08:05 AM by Anton GurevichThe history says that the myths are either busted or approved (Discovery Channel©). Mixed Martial Arts (like any other sport) is full of myths, which differ from the ones on the Discovery Channel with one important detail: they have to be constantly approved.
Last week we witnessed a historic Mixed Martial Arts happening, when the 32-time confirmed myth of whether Fedor Emelianenko is unbeatable was finally busted by Fabricio Werdum’s triangle choke. Fedor’s loss sparked the UFC President Dana White to call Fedor “a fake, phony… “and many other fans to doubt the legacy of The Last Emperor. Fedor Emelianenko failed to approve his myth for the 33rd time, and that’s the price to pay when you fail in sports.
One week later, we witnessed a confirmation of a myth, when the UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar defeated Shane Carwin via the second round arm triangle choke, proving that he is the legit UFC Undisputed Heavyweight Champion. Brock Lesnar bounced back from a terrible illness more than six months ago, and managed to bounce back from almost a hopeless position in the first round against Shane Carwin. It takes a lot of heart, determination and a true mind of a Champion to get through situations like these.
Love him or hate him, but you have to admire the spirit of the South-Dakota native.
Lesnar is nowhere near Fedor Emelianenko when it comes to achievements, but he is a myth just like the Russian. And just like the Russian, Brock Lesnar will be defeated sooner or (than) later. Will it happen against Cain Velasquez? No one knows. Maybe in Lesnar’s case it is not smart to say that there’s always a bigger fish, but there's always a better fighter, that’s for sure.
The truth is always in the eye of the beholder. Josh Rosenthal could stop the fight during Carwin’s demonic onslaught, but decided to let the Champion an opportunity to survive. Many people could argue that Shane Carwin lost this fight, more than Brock Lesnar won it – and they would probably be right.
My personal opinion is that true strength of a sportsman determined by how he handles a defeat. And to tell you the truth, I would not be surprised if Brock Lesnar retired from MMA if Josh Rosenthal decided to award Shane Carwin a victory. Lesnar will have to suffer from that defeat, if he is about to establish his own legacy in Mixed Martial Arts. He will have to suffer from defeat, in order to prove everyone that he can bounce back from one.
For now, all we can do is to speculate about whether Josh Rosenthal did the right decision to let the fight continue, or if Cain Velasquez is the man to defeat Lesnar. But one thing is true, Lesnar’s myth is confirmed… for now.
Comments
I don't like Lesner
but i got to admit that that fight was pretty exiting
and he did just what he needed to do : survive round 1
if the ref was mazagatti , there would have been a new champ
i really think Shane beat lesnar in that fight, first round first g+p it shoulda been stopped, but props 2 lesnar 4 comig back
He got Knocked down. You think he can even go 10 fights without losing?
Wins mean little when you got little skill.
Judging from last nights performance I can safely say that THEY CANT BEAT FEDOR!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!! No matter what ufc fan boys think.
appearantly thats the only person that can beat brock lesnar. He did it before with Frank and Brock 1
I was a sceptic and thought that Brock could beat Fedor , LAST NIGHT PROVED ME WRONG.
Carwin might be able to land a punch and knock Fedor out but thats it. FEDOR IS JUST EXPLOSIVELY FAST!
whoever wrote the main editorial lowkick article ( not comments) above is so biased. Just because you pick Carwin on the PS3 or XBox & win dosen't mean shit in real life BOY.
hahaa but werdum already did it b,itch sooo
your a ****ing idiot u know how hard itis for any champion to win 10x in a row when they are fighting legitimate competition also if you are a real fan and watched most of Fedor's fights its not like he hasnt ever been rocked when a fighter gets rocked and comes back to win proves more than if they win a fight without being tested.
Now, if they started to suck, and got smashed and chased out of the UFC to find easier competition, then they could beat Fedor huh? Smart...
Fedor isn't a has been, he's a "never was"!! name any stiff comp he's faced that wasn't washed up?
Josh made the right call as Lesnar was able to get up to his feat before the round ended, had he truly been put out or overwhelmed he wouldn't have been able to get back up.
Let's not forget Junior Dos Santos (who trains with Shogun) is coming for the belt, boys...
ANTON actually its not confirmed its plausible
Dos Santos trains with Team Black House not Shogun and I'm a huge Dos Santos fan but idk how well he will do against Brock's wrestling, when fighters like Mir and Carwin got totally dominated on the ground I just don't no why that wouldn't happen to Dos Santos
He did show heart, but yeah, Carwin lost it more than Brock won it. In terms of ability they both showed massive holes in their game.
Most of the mythbusting has been done outside the cage imho. This Brock seems far removed from the jerk who rode Herring like a pony and actually comes across as dude wanting to embrace the spirit of MMA and humbled by his new life.
If this is the real Brock I don't mind giving the fanboys a bit of slack cause he's quite likeable and dare I say... worthy.
Exactly, neither of them are perfect fighters technically and if Fedor was built like either of them he really would be unbeatable, but Brock has now handled two top 5-7 (at least top 10) fighters in Mir and Carwin as well as Couture and he's only gonna keep getting better the more time he has to train.
Brock had heart last night and Carwin didn't. Carwin could have picked his shots on the ground like AS does but decided to swing wild which gassed him out. Props to Brock for weathering the storm and proving he is the champ.
Alsoproving Carwin can kick his ass if he holds back just a little.
that's not a lack of heart by Carwin just a lack of experience in fights lasting longer than a minute
@falcon
I definitely agree he could have won if he picked his shots.
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Both Carwin and Lesnar were dismal last night. Neither demonstrated an ounce of skill the hype deserved.
Brock hardly landed a single shot standing and had zero game from his back.
carwin although dominating the 1st round, failed to keep composed and pick his shots or mix it up, and had no cardio left for R2. What was worse he didn't even think to trap Brocks leg when on his back yet had plenty of time to, and would have prevented Brock from getting the sub. His game from his back was akin to Kimbo, as was Brocks.
If these two are truely the best the UFC HW division has to offer then Dana must be gven tons of credit for the hype machine he has working, as in terms of mma skill both these guys are majorly lacking. Carwin is a one trick pony and Lesnar was lucky not to get beat R1 and that his opponent had nothing, absolutely nothing in R2, it was the same as beating a teddy bear.
Now I'm sure all the Brock huggers would be hugging Carwin had the ref called it in R1 but it didn't so Brock's the one getting his nutz cuddled.
Neither fo these come top 50 in p4p rankings if you analyze how good their all round game is. Maybe not even top 100, as I'm pretty sure i could name 100 guys who at least have something to offer from their back and can last at least 2 rounds.
The saving grace for Brock in this was his chin got tested and he came through unrattled in R2 so credit where it's due, but if anyone thinks last nights fight was a great mma spectacle then you sadly victim of DW's hype machine, as if you look back properly you will both are 1 dimensional fighters with major holes in their game.
Agree!
They're's always someone somewhere that's gotta complain about anything and everything...........Look dude--How can u say u didn't see any ground game from these guys last night when Brock submitted Shane with an arm triangle???? Shane was on top of brock G-N-P'in for three min???? This is MMA-not the Mundial Championships in Brazil. These guy are american wrestlers (badass wrestlers at that), Not BJJ submission specialists, so for u to sit here and say the fights suck is funny to me. What kinda of fights do you like to watch???
The fight last night was great, One of the best HW matches I've seen in a long time. Shane was tearin' brock a new ass that 1st rd. And throwin punches wildly?? Dude --It's called trying to finish the fight idiot. And those punches aren't wild if he's looking right at u and aiming for your face-u ****in' clown......And who are these 100 guys u could name that are better than these guys???? Sure they're are probably a few out there--but 100??? U jus hatin' on your post for the sake of hatin'-it's funny and sad all at the same time.....Here's an idea-Next time you watch the event--Try takin' off your mini-skirt and high heels, wipe off your lipstick and watch it like a man..............Fruit cake.
For me this was the best ufc in absolutely ages. The brock carwin fight was briliant - due to the back and forth action. Initialy i just thought, "oh my god" brocks fighting like a girl and he's going to get smashed unconcious",as brock curled up during Cawin's standup attack. Then when they came out for the 2nd you just knew brock was going to take carwin down and nail him. It would take something special to beat brock as he's obviously difficult to KO and if he gets on top i cant think of anyone who could escape. Carwin is also a beast!
And I actually sharped ur comment.....
Thank you! You are 100% right Im sick and tired of people hating on everything UFC just to hate and be different. The UFC is the best org with the best fighters and the HW title fight last night between two BEASTS was great, look forward to more great HW fights in the future.
who's hating on everything ufc. DW runs his mouth about how great his HW's are and how awful all the rest are, but he's been found out saturday. exciting a fight as it was you must be kidding me if you think these are great fighters. 1 got no stand up, 1 cant fight 2 rounds and dont know mma basics off the back. these are facts not opinion. watch the fight again if you don't believe me. I like many fighters in ufc but ufc as a company is greedy and full of.
Why are so many people putting weak to the above comment? its TRUE .im a huge mma fan.,I loved pride, love the ufc, strikfeforce have had some good fights. ive watched cage rage live and i think i view fights fairly. I have to say that for all the fans who dislike fedor and believe he isnt as good as others say ,then from what i saw last night then i believe he would absolutely destroy both those heavyweights on show last night. Carwin can bang for sure but what about gassing in the 1st round, what about no game plan, what about knock out power with anyone he touches.? As for brock, well done for coming back and getting the win but when carwin started to unload on him, he looked amateur at best. he RAN away trying to cover up, it was shocking that the heavyweight champion defends like that. He looked very uncomfortable on his back aswell. He won cos carwin rushed for the finish and punched himself out. When can you honestly say that fedor would punch himself out. Fedor attacks with much more venom then carwin and can carry on like it for a whole for a whole fight. Last night proved that for all dana says about the division being stacked, there were many heavyweights last night who saw those 2 fight and laughed. How can a guy fighting for the heavyweight title be gassed after 4 mins of round 1! he claimed to be athletic,claimed to be able to finish anyone he connects with but last night he only showed he as some power. What else did he do? honestly. And brock showed no stand up at all cos he was so worried about being hit, his defence was terrible but he had more gas than carwin and he got the result. I think dos santos, cain, fedor will be smiling today cos they know they can beat both those guys. Ill get some weaks, maybe all but most of the people putting weak probably never watched pride and have only become mma fans whilst jumping on the ufc band wagon. They no nothing else and cant see past it. If fedor gets to the ufc then you will see who is the best heavyweight. It certainly is not brock.
As soon a you sterted crying about "weak clicks" you earned one....get it?
CK1, what do you think Fedor will do off his back with the 275lb + Brock on top of him? the fight last night was great entertainment ... Carwin laid it all on the table and Lesnar proved he has a chin and is evolving as an mma fighter. Azzkika, your above fail essay made me chuckle. You obviously have no clue whatsoever when it comes to mma.
Fedor will probably never fight brock so we'll never find out. Last nights fight just proved you're probably not going to knock brock out and if he wrestles you to the ground, particulary if early in the round, you can probably kiss your ass goodbye regardless of who you are or how good your standup or ground game is. Mir's ground defence is usually quite good but he too couldn't get up.
I guess the DW BS haze is preventing many from seeing things clearly. DW derides anything non UFC and bigs up his own fighters.
Well I've told it like it really is; it may be negative and appear anti UFC, but in fact I am trying te redress the imbalanced all of the hype and DW's BS machine has caused.
The fight had drama and excitement yes. It was enthralling. But to the mma eye it was majorly lacking of skill by both fighters in different parts of their game, and as many think they are the best there is I feel inclined to say NO they aren't. They have demonstrated they aren't. They may be some day, I'm not saying they will never be the best, but to call either of them two of the best after their performances is premature.
The HW scene is yet to sort itself out. Having seperate organisations will always make it impossible to truely determine who is best. But believing the hype is certainly not a logical way of going about it.
fedor is very good off his back. Of course its a huge weight to move but i dont think fedor would end up there. When fedor explodes on brock he will have no answer just as he didnt last night. Im sure you will agree that carwin gassing cost him that fight? brock looked so bad in round 1. he cannot stand with fedor and fedor does not gass after 4mins?no chance. I think brock has done brilliant for what he has achieved in so few fights, im not a hater of his. Like i said before im trying to be fair with what I SEE. but i cant stand talk of greatness when i see performances like that. We cant all agree.
slickrick. tell me your views on fedor vs brock, cain vs brock, dos santos vs brock, overeem vs brock, carwin re-match. who will win those fights?
Lesnar curling up and running away is evolving? Beating a gassed lump with zero defense evolving? Both were so bad in different ways i find it hard to take many positives out of last nights fight other than it totally disproved DW's BS and that Fedor and a few others would wipe the floor with Brock.
Brock out of them 5 fights would be 3-2 or 2-3 IMO.
Never ever voice your opinion again
Agree, well put!
I hate to admit it but your right, I;m not complaining i still think it was a great fight and I enjoyed watching it but it is sorta what i expected.... Two giant man cannot fight for long periods of time plain and simple mma is not like boxing you use every part of your body to the max....but i said it b4 and ill say it again in terms of being a mixed martial artist and an athlete at a heavyweight level what i have seen from cain valasquez is still the most impressive to me from a heavyweight
Eventhough Fedor just lost to a lucky triangle. Well so did Brock to Frank Mir and worst and ankle lock.
THEY CANT BEAT FEDOR WITH THAT SKILL THAT THEY SHOWED LAST NIGHT ,JUST CANT! Fedor would have finished Brock in the first round and better yet he would have knocked him out Clean.
AGREE
i assume the never post again was directed to me if i read the arrows right. Well sorry, someone's got to put right the damage from DW's greddy gob. His HW's DID PROVE last night they are way OVERRATED, and as entertaining as the fight was, both clearly lack many mma basic skills.
Now their size makes up for some of what they lack, but if anyone seriously thinks Brock is #1 after curling up and running away like that and fluking a victory cos his opponent gassed they very deluded.
What's more is most of you would be praising Carwin as great and the best had he won.
Watch it back, see their holes in their games even the basics, and ask yourself, do you really regard either of these as the best? Really ask yourself watching it back, and then maybe watch back some old UFC HW fights or some old Pride HW fights and ask if it was tthat much better? If it was better at all.
Lol.... Thats all. Lol.
I dotn wana write a book but it may happen just for fair warning. All fighters are not perfect. Carwin got gassed tryin to finish a fight...which most fighters would also do if they sat there and wailed away tryin to get a stoppage. Brock didnt have very good stand up at all!! And as far as the running thats called self preservation...if he sat there like anderson silva or leben and put his chin out there then there wud not have been a 2nd round to watch. But the good parts of the fight were Carwins standup which he used very accurately and Brocks takedown/ground game. Both fighters showed areas where they can inprove and areas where they excelled in...which goes for EVERY fighter in mma. As far as fedor goes....No one cares cause THE MYTH of is he the greatest, will never be tested, since he has not faught the best to earn that title.
Good article. I've been very opinionated on him from his show boating to his lack of MMA fighting credentials but this fight proved to me about what he is capable of, I'm very impressed with him and I hope the humility he showed was real and not something he was threatened to do by Dana. And I was very disappointed with Carwin's cardio, I expected more from someone who has as good of technique as him; if he had trained better he would have won in my opinion.
The fact is that had Carwin been cooler in the fight and picked his shots instead of flailing like a madman, there'd a major questionmark over Brock right now as he'd have lost and there wouldn't be a zillion Brock nut hugging articles over every mma site, and instead they'd be hugging Carwins.
Last night Brock answered a question about his chin undoubtedly, but both i feel raised alot more about their games. Brock had nothing to offer carwin standing, both have nothing on their back, Carwin especially awful as didn't even get the basics right.
Cardio was nowhere near the level required for 5 rounds by Carwin, (which surprised me, I thought Brock would gas 1st) and laying down and waiting for sub deceives many into thinking Brock is great when in fact it took him time to realise he was on top af a teddy bear and could do anything he pleased.
JUST BE QUITE!!! Im sure u are a nuthugger of the once godly Fedor...of that i think we have established. And to keep this from being one of the worst weeks of your life u wanted brock to lose...BADLY. therefore when he didnt and actually won......the bitchassness and crying came spewing out of your vagina directly at this site. It was a good FIGHT!!! Suprise suprise that it wont perfect i thought all fights were supposed to be sugar coated with gummy bears and suga pops. They're humans and they have flaws....congrats for feeling like your the only person who noticed that.
Don't read my posts, but I'm free to give an accurate assessment of what occured same as you.
I am actually quite happy btw. Fedor lost so what? he made silly mistake. But brock and carwin have demonstrated they are miles behind fedor and that the UFC HW champ has no stand up and won by default due to opponent gassing.
Im sorry that a person trying to finish the fight with many BIG shots couldnt do what you wanted to do to Lesnar and the fact that "Lesnar has terrible cardio" after a 285 pound man was whaling him with shots for 3 mins im sure youd be dead just saying, many people would be including your god Fedor we are sorry your least fav fighter ever won alright GET THE **** OVER IT, hes a mutha ****in beast that has the mutha ****in UFC HW title, and now since your boy Fedor fell off after getting beat by a UFC reject I have to say Brock is the number one HW in the World its true it happens, i dont see you complaining about other people making second round combacks after losing the first round, like Anderson Silva and Dan Henderson remeber that?? Forrest and Shogun remember Forrest coming out of his corner screaming then submitting him?? it Happens and i dont see you saying Hendo had bad cardio or Forrest so man stop complaining fighters you dont like win and lose but the better fighter you dont like won thats the only reason your complaining STFU.
You keep believing what DW says then. He is full of mate and you buying into it. You watched 2 meatheads who in mma p4p terms are awful touted as being the best 2 HW's today by DW, have a tear up and both were woeful in various aspects. there's no denying it because it's true. You welcome to ride DW's nuts all you want but I been watching from the days where you could only get mma on VHS and if you honestly think Brock and Carwin are the best you are seriously deluded. UFC HW's get too much kudos due to other divisions Brock came up well short in that fight even if he did scrape over the line in it. FACT
Myth confirmed that Fedor would beat Lesner without even punching him. That's why Dana avoids Lesner fighting Fedor and try call names all the time. But the reality is that Lesner would lose to Fedor.
I do actually give Fedor more of a shot against Brock after last night but Brock proved that if he gets on top it's over. That transition to full mount was beautiful. Brock could have pounded but chose the sub which I thought was very nice. Overall as far as Fedor goes I would give him a little more of a shot because I thought Brock could just overpower anyone but he really didn't do that to Shane. I would give Fedor a chance on the feet but thats it. If Fedor kept it standing he would have a shot but eventually Brock would smother him at some point. Who knows though because we will never see it!!!!!
how the **** was that beautiful? carwin had no gas...and i was yelling at the TV...lookout for the mount, MOUNT, lookout mount....that shit was ridiculously obvious but carwin had nothing left.
I was yelling hook the leg about ten times and then Brock realised his leg wasn't hooked and game over.
weaked 3 times? why? truth hurt does it?
no ur just an idiot. Nobody likes you, you should go make threads on Sherdog where all the other self proclaimed MMA geniuses roam
TRUE-TRUE-TRUE.
Sorry but I can't call "MYTH" a guy who has fought 4 or 5 times.
Brett Roger was a kind of "MYTH" too, with his "6 WINS by K.O. in the First round".... Now he's down.
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I understand all the excitement for that win of Brock and all the potential he has. But it's only his fifth (or sixt) fight...
Brett Rogers had more gas than Brock or Carwin. He wrestled and punch, unlike those two. Before this fight, I thought Carwin was a beast, but now, he showed his weakness. The same goes to Brock, he has no stand up and he could mount Carwin only because Carwin gased out and he became a training bag for Lesner. If Carwin had more gas, I don't think Brock could have submitted him.
I do give a credit to Brock's chin!
Brett Rogers also didnt have a 285 pound man pounding on him for 3 or 4 mins and everyone has holes in their game remember we just saw "the best HW in the world" not imo but in manys, lose in what 90 secs it happens no fighter is perfect!!!!
why do you keep sayin "4 OR 5" "5 OR 6" do u not kno that man that ur puttin down's record??
People are getting carried away with the Lesnar praise, but what he did last night was very impressive. Nobody has been able to withstand Carwin's power, but he took shot after shot and still answered the bell in the second round. That said the fight might have been stopped if it wasn't a title fight.
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Again, Lesnar prooved to have an incredible Chin. Let alone he blocked the majority of the onsloght with those huge arms! He was aware of the situation, totally focued on survival mode, using his legs and the way he got up, man, that dude is a freak of nature! John did a good job not stopping it.
Rogers was on top of Fedor for 10 seconds every ona was saying Fedors head was bouncing on the canvas wath about Lesnars head smashed for 3 and a half minutes.is no myth about Lesnar he got loss alwredy to Mir submition loss when he was standing on his feet
mokoko obviously you know jack about mma you clown.
Brock got tagged about 6 times on his back by my count in slow-mo. Blocked shots account for 90%. Carwin gassed and Lesnar capitalized; end of story.
How did Lesnar lose to a submission to Mir on his feet?
Puss, you have to go back to school and learn it speeling sum morr 4in youse post eere agin CLOWN!
Carwin won that fight! Lesnar could not defend himself, come on! We have seen this many times, if you can't defend yourself you loose. Carwin all the way. Same thing happened with Cybord and Fanney, Cyborg had the win already in the first round. Cain is gonna kill Lesnar and prove that Lesnar as an mma fighter still has a lot to learn. Just beacuse his big, doesn mean he is a better fighter.
If brock was unable to defend himself his arms would have dropped to the floor and carwin would have been left to land some of the hardest unanswered shots in MMA straight to brocks head. If this had happened brock would be back in hospital and he couldn't have won the fight..
Lesnar didnt deserve to win that fight, before he got knocked down, he was runing and covering from carwin (you dont called that a champion) and when he was on the ground he took a beating. That fight should be stoped right there. I m a huge UFC fan, but things like this, and cases like silva and maia makes the fans lose the interest for the sport!
Durrr if he couldnt defend himself from strikes...how could he win. \do you even know what a KO is? Wow kids....
During round 1 when shane was on top. Do you think it is safe enough to call Brock's unintentional strategy the ground-a-dope?
Already knew about brock's standup. Very impressed by Brock's chin and submission wrestling/bjj. Disappointed in Carwin's gas tank.
Great fight and the whole card was pretty damn good.
Carwin will be back, he should have won that fight minus his bad cardio, but he took a gamble and tried to finish.
I think next time will be very different. You can either strike like a madman or you cant and Lesnar will never hit as hard as Carwin. Carwin still never got that perfect shot, or this would have finished differently.
LMAO, seeing Lesnar run like a girl from Carwin was classic.
running was the best option...better then staying and getting tagged and knocked out, i would love to see you get in a fight cuz you would be crying like a girl instead of running like a girl.
Reading alota comments gave me a headache, comparing alota stuff to a man that jus lost to a weak heavy weight.
One guy said Carwin/Lesnar are one trick ponys.....yeah okay
kinda wish everyone would shut the ****k up and respect both figthers and not bash what they did. It was a really entertaining card was it not? Every main card fight was exciting and even the undercard rocked ass.
One thing about people who claim to be "MMA" fans always are anti-UFC, correct me if im wrong but the UFC holds the best fights, sorry Werdum and Fedor didn;t blow my dik like everyone else, so keep your opinions to the topics they belong to...
Id like to see any one of you skeptics take one BLOCKED punch from Carwin and watch you die from forced impact.
Internet nerds make me so angry!
PS. i dont like brock lesnar if that makes you see my point more clearly
Reading alota comments gave me a headache, comparing alota stuff to a man that jus lost to a weak heavy weight.
One guy said Carwin/Lesnar are one trick ponys.....yeah okay
kinda wish everyone would shut the ****k up and respect both figthers and not bash what they did. It was a really entertaining card was it not? Every main card fight was exciting and even the undercard rocked ass.
One thing about people who claim to be "MMA" fans always are anti-UFC, correct me if im wrong but the UFC holds the best fights, sorry Werdum and Fedor didn;t blow my dik like everyone else, so keep your opinions to the topics they belong to...
Id like to see any one of you skeptics take one BLOCKED punch from Carwin and watch you die from forced impact.
Internet nerds make me so angry!
PS. i dont like brock lesnar if that makes you see my point more clearly
After this fight I respect Lesnar a lot...
He surprise me with the sub at 2nd round.
Lesnar is from real!!!
How long you watching MMA how you ewer seen Fedor get beat up so badly Rogers hit him few times and was on top of him for 10 second Lesanr got completely manhadled. Lesnar was lucky just like Werdum Fedor was just about to kill him
I think last nights fight was great. I can't get all the haters talkn smack about brock and on fedors nuts. Just in case you didn't see fedor get chocked slash armbared out. By a UFC loser, who didn't even puch him. Then you say he's better than brock, Who only has 5 fights! What a joke. Fedor doesn't fight real HWs! Just overweight washed up 205rs.Give Brock his respect
Fedor hasnt gotten beat up so badly cuz he fights cans. Brett Rogers is the weaker version of Shane Carwin
Last night proved someone as good as fedor would easily destroy brock.
Aint about being on no ones nuts just watching the skills of one fighter against another and anyone will tell you Fedor is light years ahead. he made silly mistake in Werdum fight, but he doesn't curl up and run away when hit and looks for finish from back rather than covering up hoping ref dont stop it.
I respect Brock for how he accepted this win, and he seems to have a genuine humbleness, but If you seriously regard this fighter as the best, I suggest you watch somemore mma. Last nights performances from both were very poor for the most part. Brock awful R1, some refs would have stopped it, carwin was awful R2 and had nothing left in tank.
Now I'll get weaks like I been getting on all the rest of my posts, but I haven't yet seen 1 good post that disputes or disproves me, as i am stating facts.
jstep- fedor beat the top guys in their prime. FACT. recently he has not fought the best guys but he did and how from last nights show you can even compare them is so funny. I dont think you have much knowledge of the sport. fedor vs big nog in his prime. fedor vs cro cop in his prime. you know those fights?
fedor made a silly mistake in the werdum fight? He's been making that mistake his entire career and didn't see anyone dumbass complaining till now, cos he FINALLY got caught.
If Lesnar was the same weight as Fedor then i would say yeah Fedor would probably beat him. But Lesnar is much much more bigger. Lesnar's skill set is tailored to how big he is. His beast like power is best used for taking someone down and smashing their face or getting a choke. Fedor can throw submissions all day and has the ability to occasionally TKO people but he mostly subs people......Brock has meticulous submission defense and showed a great chin. Tell me how exactly Fedor would win again???
Actually fedor likes to beat his opponents at their strengths, what he done against werdum was sloppy and unnecessary, but he is proven quality, he don't have to prove much. last night carwin and lesnar were supposed to prove why they regarded as two of the best when in all honesty they both lack major parts required for an all round mma skill set.
weak me all you want but its facts and weaks dont disprove the facts
i just disproved ur dumb ass. suck it
where? he curls up from a punch and runs away barely defending himself. fedor would smash his big head into next week you fool.
Fedor doesnt have the knockout power Carwin has. Fedor can throw all the punches he wants Lesnar would take him down and Tko him all day fool. Fedor is a small heavyweight with a bunch of flab on his body while Brock is about 40-50 lbs heavier then Fedor with much much more strength. Brock would rip Fedor a new asshole. Brock doesnt have good stand up which is something we all knew but he more then makes up for it with his ground game. Chest to Chest and no subs can be done especially with Brocks superior wrestling. There you just got disproved. suck it again
Mir catch him when Lesnar was standing becose Lesnar is so slow
you, monkey, you speak stupid. speak like caveman. low iq. go farm ur land honky
SF HW devision is better right naw Lesnar and Carwin are not mach for Overeem or Fedor not stunding or on the ground they are better in any aspect.If lesnar or Carwin foght Overeem it gona be just like Rogers fight
this ends the brock>fedor bullshit....FEDOR>>>>>>>>>BROCK
Wow, check out the bias and denial that is this thread.... Its pathetic and disheartening.
I understand some people do not like it, but Lesnar was impressive and is learning at a rapid pace. I am happy for the guy, he is healthy and seems happy...
lesnar a myth,hahahahah that dude had 6 mma fights damn it.
I'm not gonna hang on his nuts thats quickly.
I don't get why brock would have to suffer a defeat? he already did, and he learned that no matter how well you are doing, that you should never underestimate your opponent and throw caution to the wind, fedor probably learned the same.
It's not that shane carwin lost the fight for himself, he did all he could do and...exactly how SHOULD he have fought if not to his greatest strength? Noone can answer that, because that's exactly what he should do, why would you limit your strengths in a fight?
Brock was just better.better strategy, better preparation, better resilience. And that's not to say anything bad about Carwin, he's phenomenal and like it was said, i can't see anyone else taking that kind of onslaught and surviving
I think we would all agree that Brock Lesnar we've seen against Mir is a completely different Brock Lesnar we see today. He has a different state of mind... I refer to him as a completely different fighter. Again, you are welcome to disagree.
thank god mazzigati wasnt ref
I think the UFC HW division must be very weak if a fighter with average stand up and pretty porr defense off his back is champ. You would never get it in any other UFC division. I've said it before, These guys are elevated beyond their actual ability on the back of the quality of other divisions. Plain and simple. Compare current champions in other weight classes to brock in terms of skill, they are light years ahead of him, yet he such a draw purely cos of size. Maybe he should be doing body building shows not mma.
All I have to say is STOP TRYING to compare Brock to Fedor cause there is no comparison. Fedor=Legend of MMA Brock=Work in progress(champ or no champ) Fedor=Super talented Brock=Super HW
Brock still hasn't fought all the big names HW in the UFC. If he gets past Cain and Santos, then you can start talking. If Overeem or Fedor gets in the mix at some point then you have to wait. I think Cain can give him some problems. Of course, Brock can give Cain alot of problems to. I just think an aggressive Mike Tyson of old, comes at Brock he will have problems. It looked like he has never been attacked like that, but when you have been in the WWE and it ain't real or scripted then I can see where he would run like he did.
Give Brock credit. He won. He survived that first round and I don't know how it wasn't stopped, but he got through. Then went after Carwin and got him in his world, the ground and choked him for the win. Good fighters can do that, but until he fights everyone then you can call him great.
Most of people toght Lesnar is the strongest man in the world this is not a strong man or bodybuilding competition this is MMA you see when you get hit you are not that strong any more dosen't mater who you fight or sise dosen't mater 5-1 one record dosen't mean anything total amator in any sport after 10 fights Lesnar gona look ewen weaker
you may be the dumbest kid i have ever encountered.....and thats saying something cuz i see kids post on Sherdog everyday
It was good reffing, stop making weak ass excuses. Shane doesn't make weak ass excuses. Lesnar stood up the second he got room, controlled the last minute of the fight, and if there were 5 more seconds he would have taken Shane down. If Lesnar were hurt during that attack, he wouldn't have simply stood up under Shane Carwin and kept fighting. If Shane had hurt him, he would have put him to sleep. None of the strikes effected Lesnar enough to drop him. Lesnar is not Gonzaga.
I agree the reffing was excellent. However, Brock should count himself lucky, as some other refs would have stopped it. But brock was never really out of it so credit to his chin if not much else.
Controlled the last minute of the first round that is. He was fine.
HAHAHA. Never doubt Lesnar.
lol what joke, Brock looked horrible the entire fight and dropped down to number 7 on my ranking after this fight.