BJ Penn: same old penn, same old problems.

Posted on August 4, 2010, 09:39 PM by bluntsandbeers
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UFC 118 is the most important card to the LW divison in recent memory. After the nearly unbeatable BJ penn lost a questionable descion to number one contender Frankie Edgar, there has been alot of buzz in the MMA world. was the win legit? Has Bj penn been exposed? is edgar the future of the LW divison? all these questions will be answered after august 28th. but i think the real discussion here is wether or not we will see  diffrent fighters on august 28th.

 

It is no shock or suprise to hardcore fans that BJ Penn has always struggled with commitment, work ethic, and cardio. But these questions were of no concern before Abu Dhabi, Penn was reborn under intense training of legend Marv Marinovich( formally known for his NFL work with Steelers D.back Troy polamalu). But after the fight  these questions were ALL brought back into discussion. Was penns loss a result of bad training habits and underestimating his opponent frankie edgar? the truth is nobody knows, of course Bj or his camp wont admit it but there had to have been something that contributed to his performance in Abu Dhabi. Or was it that penn was simply outclassed by the grinding machine that is Edgar? and finally will the prodigy come back and re claim his rightful place at the top of the heap? or will he suffer the first back to back losses in the LW divison?

 

Whatever the case maybe i will be at the Garden on the 28th and i cannot wait to find out. this will sure be one explosive rematch that will eventually decide the fate of the UFC's 155 lb divison and BJ penns legacy.


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  • David Saucier
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    I believe Penn will reclaim his title, and avenge this loss. BJ wouldnt admit and use it as an excuse publicly but he had a sinus infection, and knee problems going into that fight.

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  • ChasePhoney
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    if bj had an excuse, he WOULD use it. He has just learned to keep his mouth shut after all the GSP talk he did. ( before and after the fight)

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  • UrHype
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    I agree, down deep, BJ is a prick no matter what anyone says.

    Comes from growing up a spoiled rich kid living on the beach in Hawaii

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    geeze man what did penn ever do to you lol

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  • BCLionz81
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    I'm a fan of the prodigy but, I just though BJ Penn looked out of place that night in Abu Dhabi not making excuses for him, that's just straight up. But I could be wrong and maybe Frankie Edgar just too quick and slick.



    can't wait for this fight, BJ must be grinding his teeth to get back in the cage with edgar.Bj getting his gold back!!

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    i cant agree with you guys anymore deffntly glad to see you support my man bj. i just didnt want to make a biased article. i dont like edgar or his style and he didnt look like himself at all hes the greatest LW of all time, not to mention the descion was very questionable, i think the pride style judging made so much for sense. the cards in the UFC clearly favor the wrestler. all and all im glad you guys read my article and i cant wait for UFC 118.

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    penn didnt look like himself at all***

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  • ston3pony
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    How exactly do they favor wrestlers? IMO BJ did lose that fight. He coasts on genetic gifts, when things are tough for him he refuses to even stand up off the stool...

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    that was one of the most ignorant things ive ever heard. lmao doesnt get off the stool?? the man has fought machida, st. pierre(2), hughes(2), sanchez, gomi, florian, sherk, and serra. he has been in there with the very best.





    and it really does favor the wrestler man im very sorry your not informed of this lol. everybody who participates in MMA agrees that pride judging made alot more sense. edgar and penn was the perfect example he won 2 rounds because of 2 take downs that literally acomplished nothing. no gnp no advance in position no sub attempts, no nothing. but it was still given a significant amount of points. judges need to take damage, agression, activity, control and technique into question just like the pride judges did. it makes more sense for MMA rules its ridiculous that takedowns are worth more then striking for the most part.

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    and ik the ufc says they take agression, control and sub attempts into consideration but they dont lol they see takedowns and knockdowns... its sickening

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  • WingChun
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    I watched the fight - he lost. He got out worked by Edgar, plain and simple. The best argument that anyone can make is that Penn won two of five. I personally had him losing all five rounds; with the first being close. Even with that, he still loses 4 rounds to 1.



    Frankie Edgar earned that victory - period. I don't know why BJ gets the "special" treatment and is granted an immediate re-match, but so-be-it. The second fight is going to be an exact replay of the first. Edgar will once again out work and out point Penn. BJ's ground game will never be an issue, because he'll never get FE down, let alone keep him there; Frankie is just too good a wrestler; superior to BJ.



    If you liked the first fight (which I did...I picked FE) then you'll like this one. If you hated the first fight, then you're won't like this one either; the outcome is going to be the same.



    FE - Decision Victory (49 - 46)

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    special treatment?? lmaoo dude its called respect. its been happenin in combat sports forever,if you have a extremely dominant champion that looses he gets a shot at his title to legitimize the loss. and bj does not have the time to go and beat anybbody up in the LW divison, and even then who do you want him to fight, who can hang with bj besides edgar. NOBODY. and seriously man the judging favors the wrestler, its been talked about in mma sense the start of the sport, so idk what your sayin

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  • WingChun
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    @ blunt



    ...so what you're saying, is that it's really best two out of three and that the first fight only counts if the champ wins, otherwise it's a complete waste of time. Or perhaps another way of putting it is this - that the champ should never have to risk his title and if he does, then he gets a chance to get it right back, as if the first fight never happened and meant nothing.



    That's pretty cool - does Vegas know about this?



    ...Tonight...in the Octagon...in what could be the first of two or three fights, stretched out over the next half year or more....stands the challenger...5 feet 8 inches tall and weighed in @ 155 Lbs.... if he wins, he will have to re-prove the victory against the Champ...who if he wins....just wins.



    You call it respect. I call it bullshit, favoritism and coddling.

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    thats a very good point man i cant deny that. but to say that BJ doesnt deserve another title shot means that you dont go by logic you goby "fairness" lol. bj penn is 31 and doesnt have any time to go waste and fight anybody besides edgar in the LW divison, he is the best LW to ever live and has proved it many times. and only him and couture have won 2 belts in 2 diffrent weight classes and he was in the conversation for pest p4p in the world.



    if you think he shouldnt get a automatic rematch let me ask you this, who should he fight if not edgar? florian and maynard are fighting the same night. and i literally cannot think of anyother contender

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  • WingChun
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    @ blunt



    Two thngs:



    1. 155 is a stacked division, we can find a fight for him; trust me. Here's a few names to mention - George Sotiropoulos, Melvin Guillard, Nate Diaz, Jeremey Stephens, Sam Stout et. al.



    My point on this - the UFC could find BJ a fight. These are all good fighters; some coming off wins, some coming off losses (just like BJ), none of these fights would be insults; I'd imagine they'd all be entertaining.



    It might also be advisable to give Penn a tune-up fight, before having another shot at the title or number 1 contender. Which brings me to my second point....



    2. What if BJ loses? Then what? He'll have two back to back loses, to the same fighter - the champ. And as much as Penn fans want to think that Edgar is an easy day at the office for BJ - he is not. Penn is going to have his hands full and this time - Edgar is the champ. So, if there's any of that "you have to beat the champ" attitude with the judges, then your boy will be further in the hole. Who knows, with judges?



    All I'm saying on this point - is that it might be better advised for Penn's career, rather then his ego, to fight a lesser opponent and get a camp and win under his belt before he tries to climb the mountain, again. And lets face facts, nobody is going to say BJ has to have five or six fights, before he gets another title shot; one, maybe two; the second being against the #1 contender.



    Concluding - this is a big career fight for Penn; there's a lot of pressure. If he loses to Edgar again and I believe Frankie has his number, then it's a whole new world for Penn and it just might be 5 or 6 fights, before he gets another shot at the title. For then, he surely will have to work his way back. And then...he's going to have to fight all those guys on that list.



    And BJ being 31 - has nothig to do with anything. BJ has lots of fighting years left, if he wishes.

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    really man? thats the argument you came up with. you think anybody would want to see penn vs sotiropulous. your taking everything away from BJ penn from 1 desicion loss dude seriously. you just named a few decent fighters, but BJ would eat them up. you need to realize were talking about the best boxer in MMA(freddie roach said it not me) and arguably the most naturally gifted fighter in MMA. his list of accomplishments makes frank edgar look like a little novice. and it really shows how nieve you are that you think after 1 loss guys like sotropilous, stephens, stout, gullard, and diaz can hang with penn. your on drugs. the sad thing is your understimating BJ after one loss which is just absolutely ridiculous. im sorry frankie edgar is not going to descion his way into the record books. im dead ass man im going to write on your wall when i get home on the 28th lol. youll see the real penn man, cause clearly you have been ill informed.





    p.s its called a bad showing. edgar does not have anybodies number

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  • WingChun
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    @ blunt



    I thank you for your continued interest in my posts (long or short) and I encourage you to keep reading them; as, apparently, you do.



    Cheers,



    Wing Chun

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  • azzkika
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    BJ is not the most naturally gifted fighter in mma. Jon Jones probably fits that bill. In terms of outright talent GSP is far superior. In terms of rematch, Penn will take Edgar alot more seriously this time, but I don't think it will be enough. Frankie has great footwork, great stand up and great cardio and is only going to get better. I expect BJ to start strong but Frankie to work him down over the 5 rounds.

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    and ill send you a postcard from boston after penn wins via sub round 3 (:

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  • DKMcGrath
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    BJ gets special treatment cause he never lost in lightweight division since his loss to Pulver if anyone desrved a rematch it was BJ nobody has done what hes done in the lightweight division and to belittle his accomplishments makes you look ignorant.Frankie is a better wrestler?Are you drunk? Put them in a submission wrestling tournament like sub-league Frankie would be dominated by BJ.Do you have any idea how good Penns jiujitsu is?This is ridiculous your nothing but a MMA internet TROLL.And go ahead and watch Edgar try to in by points again hell be looking like Sanchez or Stevensen...

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  • WingChun
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    @ DKM



    I'm sorry, were you trying to make a point, here? Wow, the vitriol thrown my way for having an opinion.



    As to me being an "MMA Internet Troll" - is that the best that you can do? Listen, wash the spunk of your keyboard and mouse and try to do a little bit better (will ya), because that's not very good. It's rather juvenile; it speaks to your lack of intellect and creative writing skills.



    I appreciate you taking the time to read my opinion and the fact that it has caused your sycophant little self so much upset...well, to be honest, it makes me smile. I've upset you and I wasn't even trying - ha ha. How small and pathetic are you, if an incidental post (of mine) can cause you such grief and turmoil. Clearly I have won a great victory over you; one that I was blissfully unaware (of) that I was even in pursuit, of - good for me; outstanding for me.



    Concluding - I once again thank you for your reading (of) my post and I encourage you to continue doing so. I don't know if you have 24/7 access to the Internet in your mom's basement or if you are on dial-up and have to wait for the line to be "free", but either way, I encourage you to continue following my work, as it is obvious that it has an extremely cathartic effect on you.



    Cheers,





    Wing Chun

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    noone wants to read your novel of insults, keep it short and sweet cheif :p

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  • WingChun
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    @ blunt



    In terms of you telling me to keep it short and sweet - Or what, sport? What will you do?



    As to the length of the post, it is/was neither longer nor shorter, then that which was required to make the point. I'd also add, that when your eye scans a post and your "brain" determines it to be....... "t-o-o... l-o-n-g", then why do you read it and then comment on it? It makes no sense.



    As to my insults - when insulted, I insult back; generally better then I got.



    Concluding - I thank you for your continued interest in my posts (long or short) and I encourage you to keep reading them; as, apparently, you do.



    Cheers,



    Wing Chun

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    i didnt read it i scanned over it, but you did get me to read this slush of nonsense. so you win this round. you are now my arch rival wingchun. ahahahaa

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  • WingChun
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    @ blunt



    I thank you for your continued interest in my posts (long or short) and I encourage you to keep reading them; as, apparently, you do.



    Cheers,



    Wing Chun

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  • UrHype
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    I take it this thread and your views are very bias. Done.

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  • bluntsandbeers
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    the thread is 0% biased lol go read it, but my opinon is clearly biased im bj penn fan mann i cant help it hes my favorite fighter



    but im glad you read my article i appreciate it lol i take all constructive critism

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  • griffin
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    Penn always comes back better after a loss

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  • DKMcGrath
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    It was a close fight Edgar was hit and running, notice after a takedown he evaded Penn?Anyway thats Edgar's game plan the "Mayweather Point System"WIN BY POINTS!BJ will come back and finish Edgar and it will be devestating as usual.In my opinion Edgar didn't do enough to win it was too close.Penn was landing harder punches while Edgar was landing fluff shots.His takedowns though excellent ended up accomplishing nothing niether led to a or any dominant positions.Edgar better count the days tell there next fight,cause thats as long as he was champion.

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  • falcon4917
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    Bj will probably win the second match. BJ is naturally gifted at fighting like Anderson Silva, Fedor, Urijah Faber, Jose Aldo etc, etc. These guys are different from other fighters like GSP, Fitch,Carwin, Nate Marquat etc, etc who are not so gifted but work hard to win even with this disadvantage. BJ will actually train hard now because of his loss and the experience of how well he did against Diego when he was in shape even in the latter rounds. BJ is a bit of a whiner but he has a good shot at taking this back.

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  • azzkika
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    GSP is gifted and works hard. BJ is gifted and sometimes works hard. Carwin can't work for more than 1 round. Edgar wins rematch more convincingly than 1st fight. Penn will be finished afterwards as ruling LW for so long then losing twice to same guy dont leave him nowhere to go other than downwards.

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  • fluffybuns
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    Every time I think read about this rematch I start wondering again why BJ seemed to take the loss so easily. No sprinting out of the ring, no whining about the judging at the end of the fight. For any other fighter I wouldn't be worried about it, but it seems so out of character for Penn. Has he lost his fire? Was he so out of it (someone above said sinus infection/knee injury) that he just wanted to take his punishment and humiliation and go home? What??!!! I'm a huge fan and not saying his actions or non-actions are right or wrong, it's just freaky for him to be so quiet.

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