5 Conclusions from GSP's beatdown of Josh Koscheck

Dana White is wrong, thats right, I don't know why he keeps being on silva nuts,after his last performance.



I remember koscheck sayin: " i'm gonna force him to stand-up with me k.o him", kosheck was overconfident the first time and again, his overconfidence cost him.

WIth a name much like Big Nog youdon't have much respect for what Silva did. Its the equivaling of Babe Ruth calling a homerun. Sonnen got choked out like he always does against bjj guys. end of story.

@Nog, I agree, I think GSP is number 1 because he's faced tougher compeittion recently then Silva and has looked unstoppable taking almost zero damage while Silva hasn't looked that great the Maia fight was one of the worst performances of his career n Sonnen fight he got dominated for the majority of it, thats wat I believe

If u look at their records next to eachother the competition pretty much equal IMO, the difference between GSP and AS to me is AS has had some very dominant wins along with some ugly ones, while GSP has kept his wins consistently dominant, but not at the same level of dominance as Silva's dominant wins. That's due to the striking vs wrestling approach, and also because GSP is more well rounded.

who cares what Dana thinks.

when u compared silva and gsp's oppenents u failed to mention silva beating nate marquadt, dan henderson, rich franklin, chael sonnen, forrest griffen don't just point out the tomato cans expect to make a point

He is the President of the UFC, to a lot of casual fans they will believe his word is gold. So you will get more people defending Silva without actually knowing that GSP has dominated his opponents while Silva has had tough times.

I also noticed that he also left out Hardy, Serra, Hughes, Sherk, Trigg, Mayhem and Parisyan.

And I think that those guys are tougher oponents than what gsp has faced other than BJ and Matt Hughes.

I meant to capitalize GSP so don't be mad at that. GSP is awesome but I think AS is a little better.

I also think GSP is not THE best wrestler in MMA as Kos actually in myopinion was the superior wrestler the other night. GSP is good but Kos may be the best or possibly Chael or Randy. Kos had no problem getting back up and when he took George down George couldn't get back up.

You say GSP couldnt get up but there was also only 10 seconds left in the round at the point when he was taken down, i doubt he wanted to waste a bunch of energy trying to get up with so little time left

Took less than ten for kos to get back up and he took gsp down twice and each time gsp had more trouble than kos.

Trigg lolololol

mayhem is a good fighter...and hughes? really considered to be or one of most dominant welterweights of all time cmon...

@bigNog22



what does ilva's last performance have to do withanything? He won by submission no? Is he going to loose credibility now over the Sonnen fight? That is ridiculous!



I do not understand why Dana White is throwing Frankiee Edgar in the mix? that's a freaking joke.



Also, I am still not impressed on GSP's stand up! The jab looked great but why the f*ck can't he ever knock people out!?!?!? He hits like a GIRL!



Dana is BIAS and over looks other organizations. UFC is his way and the only way.

Dana White never says what he really thinks. His "opinions" always have an ulterior motive. He is only saying this because he wants St. Pierre to go up in weight to Face Silva. Just like he didnt rate Fedor when he was looking to sign him. Same with Overeem. Come on guys you should know this already.

dana will all ways be wrong about the facts of mma! he is only a sales man for the sport! 1 more thing before i go ! KOSCHECK IS A CLASSY GUY! GSP IS STILL CHAMP AND I AM HAPPY FOR HIM! I 1 OF THE BEST WELTERWEIGHTS OF AL TIME! TILL YOUR NEXT CHALLENGE GSP! YOUR THE CHAMP!

To call Silva's weakness wrestlers is also very weak. Dan Henderson (who Silva tapped out) is among the most accomplished wrestlers to ever compete in the UFC, so is Chael.

I will add that in the Silva vs Sonnen fight Anderson is said to have carried a rather serious rib injury into the a match.

In addition Silva is (in MMA striking terms) an old man, to be so strong and fast in his mid to late 30s is remarkable in itself.

"Georges St. Pierre proved once again why he's #1 P4P Ranked Fighter in the World on LowKick.com, with one of the most technical performances ever seen inside the Octagon." WOW!



I guess you've never seen a fight get finished?



I have to say my Mom could have finished a one-eyed Kos in rounds 3, 4 & 5 ... GSP didn't even try!

true, he may have a weakness of having a wrestling ability but his bjj makes up for it as is always shown. Thing is, AS is not as good at gsp at wrestling but I bet everything his BJJ, Striking and innovation is a major upgrade to GSP's. It would have even looked worse for GSP the other day than it did for Kos if GSP tried to make up a gameplan in a strikefest. AS is too unpredictable and always using new angles. I do think GSP will be able to find a way down to the mat eventually but with trouble and when there he will have almost zero chance of a finish while he will have to start on the feet after each of the four first rounds which is a lot of time for AS to do something to someone smaller than him.

Again "Middleweight adventure could be a great challenge for St. Pierre, but I doubt that his incredible legacy is worth the risk."



Risk? This is fighting, it's about rising to the occasion and facing new challenges ... not protecting records ...

exactly what about BJ, AS, and even Frankie Edgar who is small in his division. Urijah Faber has been forced to fight above his weight and has a long championship record.

Obviously how you win or lose makes a HUGE difference. For example Fedor's loss didn't really effect his standing in the rankings much at all because he simply got caught. Sonnen proved he is better then Silva as he simply got caught after dominating for 23min.



Also Franky could easily fight at 135 if he wanted too, so obviously he should be ranked very high on the p4p.

you lose a little bit of credibility when the companies president declares you as the p4p best and your opponant comes in saying he'll take you down at will....and then does

Lol, other than defeating more opponents by fighting in different weight classes, changing divisions has absolutely nothing to do with what pound for pound is supposed to mean....

if thats not what p4p means i dont even know why its called "pound for pound". p4p is clearly a opinon based matter but i think its a fighters talent level distributed between each pound of his body. so a fighter who can move up and down in weight classes where he doesnt belong and still be sucessful is the only thing that makes sense to me, i dont see where the arguement is here, GSP is the best welterweight of all time no question.. but anderson has competed at several weightclasses and hasnt lost in 5 years, oh and he beats people who are on steroids :)..

I agree but I also believe having the ability to go up and down all the time sets you apart as a professional as well because it is hard to do and is a dissadvantage in your fights while others cannot be given those points if they cannot or will not attempt such challenges. It is always worth a few points to have such capabilities.

Dude, are you for real?

How much did Silva weigh when he fought at LHW? He weighed as a LHW so moving up or down is irrelevant. p4p is all about skill irrespective of size. Silva has some of the best stand up in mma, but his all round game does not compare to GSP. Penn acquitting himself against Machida like he did is an example of moving up and gaining p4p credit as he was undersize and underweight. Silva was neither when he fought at LHW.

Just keep in mind Silvas body type enables him to flunctuate weight easy. What 36 year old man alive is able to go from 220 pounds to 185 pounts in 12 weeks of a training camp while maintaining good strength, conditioning and reaction time? That is some god given genetics right there. GSP isn't as fortunate, his frame does not allow him to do what a tall and lean Silva does.

Yes, you have the right understanding of what it means, but somehow people get lost even after explaining the definition themselves. How much they weigh doesn't matter!! Changing weight classes doesn't change their actual SKILL! Thats what it is about man. It means weight aside, who has the better skill-set.... Does a fighter changing weight classes change their skill-set? No not at all. Well other than the affects of a bad cut lol, but that is irrelevant to the point. What I am saying here is, the reason it is called pound for pound is because they want you to ignore weight when comparing each fighters abilities to the next. Changing weight classes doesnt change their abilities. I feel like I am in the twilight zone with this. Why do people get confused and think gaining and losing weight has any impact on p4p? At the end of the day, Edgar could never fight Lesnar for example... So why would that be the intended meaning of pound for pound? That goes against the entire point.

you see nobody has ever actually explained it to me in that manner, now i see where the other side of the coin is and it makes sense to me but i still stick by my point. if thats what p4p means then i dont understand why it even exists. We have weightclasses for one simple reason, the bigger the fighter, the more of an advantage he has.. granted its not that simple but its a logical concept.



let me put it this way, you had a great point saying p4p is meant to ignore size, cause i completely agree. So Size aside, Anderson Silva is able to beat up on guys like Forrest Griffin because his skill set is more evolved despite him being smaller.. isnt that what pound for pound is all about? ignoring size and using your skill to overcome an opponenet? being bigger doesnt make you better but it gives you advantages in many areas

Yes, but at that point he has put on the weight to make it a more even fight in terms of size. So that point goes round and round, ya know? I wasn't coming at you btw, I was speaking in general. And your right, it is pretty pointless. I also would like to note, I was in no way picking a side in this debate. As you mentioned, it is somewhat meaningless and that is the way I look at it as well. Other than the fact that it would be fun to see, I dont really think that those two fighting is really necessary. I never did understand why people feel it is up to the fighter to find a way to lose. I mean, just because he has become dominant at his weight class, this means we should put pressure on that fighter to find a way to lose? Why should either guy, especially GSP, make unnatural adjustments to their weight? The pressure needs to be with the promotion to find more contenders and with the rest of the division to step up their games. This goes for any champion in any division.

It doesn't really go round and round Joey if a fighter has the ability. GSP has declared the difficulties of even going up a weight not just down and AS has displayed the ability to do such things all the time which is a very good skill showing that obstacles are over taken and still he finds success. You could look at AS as a 170, 185, or 205er in this ranking system since he has been to all of them and so could be looked at as a 170er who fought a 205er if GSP went down to 155 and fought a 185er he would have those same points it adds points based on the fact that the fighter can handle adverse complications. AS offered to fight at 170 but was denied with excuses. Overall p4p doesn't have anything to do with being able to shift weight but the fact someone can at will is a skill that shows quality of his ability to overcome and maintain dominance.

this is the hard part about the p4p arguement.. ik what your saying regardless silva weighs in at 205, but they dont weigh 205 on fight night. guys like matt hughes weigh like 180 when they fight at WW. silva is a big middle weight but the fact of the matter is hes a middleweight fighter, who can compete at lightheavyweight.. which isnt his natural weightclass but you cant tell because hes to busy whooping ass anyway. alll that says to me that he is the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. GSP is a close 2nd because of the simple fact that he is the most dominate and dynamic fighter in the game. i agree with your bj penn statement. but anderson silva is smaller then guys like forest griffin & jon jones, the LHW divison is big, and he can still dominate a good amount of the LHW elte.

AS fought at 170 as well though azzkika so that is the point. If it's so easy to move up a weight why wont GSP do it without emphasizing the difficulties of such things.

Silva is probably bigger than Griffin. Look at the reach advantage he had when they fought, and Griffin is no small LHW.

maybe you need to rewatch the begining of that fight wehere they post the stats of each fighter and you will see AS had no reach advantage or hight advantage and was smaller than forrest.

Yes AS was dwarfed by Forrest I rewatched it recently and you can see a soft looking AS vs a much bigger more toned Forrest.

Yeah, I thought the same thing too, but It seems like this guy just doesn't know what he is talking about.

you never ceases to amaze me with your skills as a writer as well as your knowledge in MMA.

people claiming AS p4p best fighter have no idea the meaning of the term. theres a reason why you are running a successful MMA website.



and you could not make a better example about how dominant GSP has been so dominant . only equal to Fedor in his Pride days as the champion.



and another point where GSP is just too small for middleweight , we are talking about guys average 6'1'' and over 200lbs fighting at Middleweight , GSP is not even the biggest WW, he look about the same size as Koscheck. hes always been a WW and he should end as one.

Why would you use BJ Penn as an example of GSP's massive accomplishments as p4p when BJ Penn is actually a natural 155er? All of a sudden GSP's major wins are looking much less impressive if you take out BJ.

As far as AS and GSP goes. There's only one way to find out and that's for them to match up XD

I agree with all of the above except for one thing. GSP is clearly NOT the #1 P4P fighter. The other contenders for that position all have something GSP does not. GSP is able to consistently beat top ten opponents. The other three contenders, AS, Jose Aldo and Fedor, all consistently finish top ten opponents. Anderson has had some lackluster fights against BJJ guys but he still has way more high caliber finishes than Georges and he has wins in multiple weight classes. I think that at best, GSP is #4 P4P and there is an argument for putting BJ Penn, Jake Shields and maybe a few other fighters who have been successful at multiple weights or who fight without cutting above him in the P4P rankings. That said, I have GSP at #4 P4P because he is just entering his prime and IMHO will BECOME a finisher because he is determined to do so.

finishing fights does not make you a better fighter winning does. nobody with the exception of fedor in his prime can do the things gsp can he dominates whether its standing or on the ground he is the true mma fighter he can do it all. the reason why dana pushes silva as p4p great is they need some attention at mw. it's the worst kept secret that mw is is the weakest div in the ufc and has been since its creation. even when the hw div in the ufc was horrible it was still better than mw. silva is a great champ and a awesome fighter but his opponents have been weak franklin and hendo are the only worth mentioning. even silvas fights at lhw were tailor made for him both were strikers who could only play to his strnghts and not exploit his weakness. go watch the silva vs irvin fight and tell me who looked to be the bigger fighter. the answer silva had iriwn on reach and height. silva has had the luxury of being a big fish in a small pond where gsp has been a shark in a ocean of predators

Not finishing fights does make you a lesser FIGHTER. Every second one does not finish a fight is a second that one is giving their opponent the opportunity to land that one BIG punch. For reference, see GSP V Serra I.

Hate to break it to you, but that punch isn't arriving if that opponent is on their back the whole time.

No, but a sub easily could. For reference see Anderson Silva V Chael Sonnen. You didn't think that out, did you.

If a sub could be "easily" landed on an experienced wrestler just because he's not finishing the fight while in top position, it wouldn't have taken Anderson Silva over 23 minutes to do it to Chael (meaning he would have been raped hard if it had been a 3 round fight). Not to mention Jon Fitch wouldn't have a career.

For reference see GSP v. Serra II.

did you spell Taliban wrong?

No, Jon Talbain is a werewolf from the fighting game "Darkstalkers".

well said

fedor consistently finishing top 10, fedor is still top 5 p4p IMO,but don't give that bullshit, he's finishing "top 10" guys nowadays.



the jose aldo argument can be right,that guy doesn't has a stacked devision like gsp, beating brown,faber and menvel is good. But his the division is too young.



OK AS look flashy and exciting with his finished,but he all know that he doesn't come gun blazing to finish his opponent. Good for him he can finish guy who go after him.



saying GSP is #4 P4P after winning with ease 30+ consecutive rounds,don't make sense to me. A 10 sec finish is great and all,but a guy who can tool his opponent for 25 min, who does that?

someone who is too cautious to go for a finish. That shit happens in boxing every week.

In his prime Fedor destroyed top ten guys and whether you like it or not, Silvia, Arlovski and Rogers were all in the top ten when Fedor fought them. Not only that but despite being mediocre fighters, they were all legit top ten HWs and Fedor could easily cut to LHW. In fact, if Fedor lost the spare tire he could probably make MW.

Also, according to your argument, that would put Chael Sonnen and Grey Maynard and a bunch of other guys in the top P4P rankings. I am not disparaging your view point (tone doesn't type) but I do not see your logic.

I guess you entilted to your opinion too just like everuone else, Dossn't make it it the truth. You can't decision your way to #1 P4P.

why not give me one valid reason you cant dominate for 30 straight rounds and not be p4p. just because you cant appreciate a technical performance isnt a good reason. go watch wwe if you want to see non stop highlight reel finishes

if gsp was winning split decision or suspect one, i would agree with u.



like i said,people think decisions are a decease of something.

or bum fights or some kimbo slice

@ Postmortem. I agree. GSP simply doesn't like the big looping punch. He is a technical straight puncher and in that style only the perfectly timed and placed punch will result in a KO. Much harder as long as he sticks to straight shooting.

A straight punch can be torqued at the end to give more KO power. Take your namesake's forward lead for example. The punch is delivered in a straight line but turns into a hook at the moment of impact. If GSP started utilizing techniques like this he could have the best of both worlds.

Whoever weaked that is a moron.

GSP wipes the mat with marquardts face wen they wrestle and his striking is much better. I believe its time for him to move up and let the WW division reboot. Shields has no chance in my opinion

gsp would beat silva. if sonnen can take him down, then gsp sure as hell can. and silva won't be able to pull any last minute triangles out of the bag against gsp, who also has a black belt in bjj.



and the fact that silva is undefeated isn't as great an achievement when he fights in the least talented division in the ufc. only credible opponents he's beaten are henderson and franklin and maybe sonnen.



gsp has dominated every fighter in possibly the most talent-filled division, he's a complete mixed martial artist who beats people at their strengths. how anyone can debate him not being the no.1 p4p is ridiculous to me.

instead of weaking me i'd rather see one of the silva fanboys put forward a legitimate argument?

thought so :)

No one is a Silva "fan boy" you are just an idiot. No one needs an legitament argument to prove you wrong. Wrestlers may be Silvas weak point. But he did submit Sonnen and Henderson (two solid wrestlers). St Pierre will have a reach advantage big time. Silva will be a bigger opponent in that fight. And besides, St Pierre has not fought at 185. He may come in like Shields against Kampman and look like garbage, you really can't tell for sure until it happens. -begin weakening my comment here-

he was able to submit henderson and sonnen, two guys that do NOT have black belts in jiu jitsu like gsp. wrestlers are silva's weak point and gsp doesn't have a weak point. he's beaten the best strikers (alves), wrestlers (fitch, kos, hughes) bjj experts (penn).



and the best fighter in the world doesn't dance around for 5 rounds, he doesn't run away from his opponents and he doesn't get dominated. if he's so much better than everyone else than he should show it and knock them out when he has the oppurtunity like he used to.



and if you knew anything you'd be aware that shields had fought many times at welterweight, the reason he was so drained against kampmann was because he couldn't cut weight by running due to an injury so he had to sweat it all out in saunas which is awful for you and he dropped over 20 pounds in one day. he was exhausted by the end of the first round and still managed to win. so no, i think you're the 'idiot' in this instance.

i am not really saying gsp would beat silva just saying he is the p4p number 1. in the end silva who is a average sized lhw and a huge mw would have just too much of a size advantage for a average sized ww like gsp. but thats what p4p means your not supposed to compare people in diffrent weight classes and say who would beat who. rampage would beat a hole in jose aldo should i rate him higher than aldo ? it about who is the most complete fighter what kind of competition he has faced and how dominate he has been in his division

oh, and incase you forgot, silva got rocked twice in the fight against sonnen, a guy who's striking is zilch compared to gsp's. so please explain to me why silva deserves to be called the best. or just go ahead and weak me as usual without giving a reason why.

You are an idiot. If Gsp is so good why doesn't he just knock out everyone as well? That is your logic and it is stupid. Thank you for proving to me and everyone else that you have no idea what you are talking about.

i was referring to the fact that silva has had plenty of oppurtunities to knock people out or tko them in his last few fights and he hasn't bothered, he just toys with them, doesn't engage, taunts them or dances around the cage. gsp doesn't have as good standup as silva, i accept that, but he's better in other areas and he continues to get better and take each opponent seriously. it's obvious silva is unmotivated and bored and far too ****y. until i see him make someone look like a fool again like he did to griffin or franklin, i'm not impressed.

And Anton Keep Damian Maia's name out of your mouth. You don't even have him on your top 10. He is one of thebest submission fighters in the world. He fared much better against Silva than the majority of opponents he faced including Sonnen! The Thale Liettes fight was a joke, but the dude is 18-4 and he would probably sub Sonnen too Also, Silva has been beating wrsestlers the majority of the time he has been in the UFC and he beat al of them. You don't need to wrestle when you can submit them from your back. It takes a submission fighter to beat Silva.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I couldnt agree more that you're both retarded. Fared better against silva ten sonnen? LOL you're talking about a guy that had silva on his back pounding on his face for 5 whole rounds, more than any fighter has done for less than a minute and lying on his back trying to grab his leg made maia fair better? You people are retarded. He's a phenominal bjj, some of the best in mma period but re-read your statements nerd

Anton why are you deleting my repies but not the doushe above. MMA Fan How many times did Sonnen pass Silva's gaurd. How did those rabbit punches helphim win the fight? What was the end result.

what you're saying is totaly irrelevent. When did maia ever pass silva's gard. When did maia ever have silva in any type of predicament ever? lmao you are to much kid...

Maia won the closing 2 rounds of the fight. Silva ran like a bitch anytime it got close to the ground. Sonnen had Silva exactly where he wanted him and couldn't finish the fight or win it. Maia might have been the 1st guy in a while to even win a round against Silva.

And LHW is the most stacked division in the UFC. Anybody else agree. WW is a joke. I mean come on either gain 10 lbs or lose 10 lbs. WW is probably the smallest division in any promotion. Why else would GSP have to 4 people 60% of the time. This is the worst article I have ever read on here. Your better off deleting it.

I would be interested to see if you could name 3 WW fighters that could fight Fitch, Alves, Kos and Hughes without dropping a round. I am sorry but I think your bias is clouding your judgement.

dont worry bro! ;D just like real life there are idiots all over the internet!

I think with the merger, LW will become the most stacked division simply because of the amount of fighters. There will obviously be a lot of fighting for a spot on the roster or possibly a lot of moving up or down a division. Because of this, it's almost like survival of the fittest or filtering out the great from the good...or possibly the bad...But whatever the case may be, the end result will be spectacular. A very promising lightweight division that deserves all the respect in the world. Looking forward to WEC VS UFC for the LW belt!!!

I was thinking the same thing. I actually think that the wt classes from most to least stacked now are LW, WW, LHW, a three way tie of FW, BW and MW, HW. BTW I accidentally weaked you. I meant to hit sharp.

BLAME GSP,for being A well-rounded MMartists and not a great striker, with good BJJ waiting for his opponent to commit.



Yep, GSP doesn't have the k.o power of carwin, the bjj of Maia and the "killer instinct" like chuck liddell had,but he's opponent have 25 mins to beat him up, 25 mins! BLAME GSP haters.

BLAME GSP,for being A well-rounded MMartists and not a great striker, with good BJJ waiting for his opponent to commit.



Yep, GSP doesn't have the k.o power of carwin, the bjj of Maia and the "killer instinct" like chuck liddell had,but he's opponent have 25 mins to beat him up, 25 mins! BLAME GSP haters.

I completely disagree with this article. I do think gsp is one of the best but p4p is not a definite #1 type of rating. It's absolutely impossible to be definitive about a rating like that. You guys are arguing apples and oranges. Anderson silva has the best striking in mma. I think he is so good he has become bored by his competition. GSP has great wrestling and his striking is improving. Why would you bother arguing about such nonsense it's like my dad can beat up your dad stuff. Can't y'all just watch a fight and actually have a clue what you are watching and comment on technique?

I agree 100%, gsp is great in all areas and is probly one of the best in mma, but using a good jab for 25 minutes doesnt make you the greatest p4p of all time, dont bash me but you just have to understand the superiority of anderson silva's striking ability, he would have laughed at both of them. GSP has beaten a phenominal list of welterweights but silva has made griffen, who has fought some of the best lightweights and made it close like rampage, shogun rua (CHAMPION) rashad evans and so on and made him look like hes fighting a child with downs. You honestly think throwing a jab or an overhand right at AS is going to do anything, let alone you're going to be successful with it for 25 minutes AS or fedor period, they only have freak losses to flying scissor heelhooks like 7 years ago and got triangled because they were trying to finish a guy they just rocked and they're all of a sudden dropped from the top p4p. Its his first loss in like 8 years lol. GSP is great but he has holes in his striking, they may be tiny but anderson silva would exploit them as if they were huge and finish him no doubt.

Silva has some of the best stand up in mma, but isn't carwins record standing better? But no one is calling Carwin p4p because he's a big HW and gassed bad against Lesnar. Silva does have some of the best stand up in mma but that is no arguement for him to be p4p #1. 1lb of GSP beats 1lb of any other fighter right now. No one is as well rounded. No one can formulate a gameplan as good as GSP and implement like he does. Most fighters usually come in with game plans but end up fighting a reactionary fight. GSP has the talent and discipline to stick to a gameplan like no other. he is the most evolved most adaptive fighter in MMA purely because he is the smartest with enough natural talent to utilise his brains. Silva does not come close to GSP in p4p terms. Aldo, Edgar and Fedor are probably closest in p4p terms, though with Fedor losing his next fight will determine if that was a fluke or if he really has lost some of his old magic.

Your definitely right, but I think you are putting more value in the talent Anderson has standing up then the talent GSP has in wrestling and in mixing everything up. P4P isn't necesarily about who is the most talented or most skilled fighter, its about if they were all the same size who would win. I think GSP would probably be able to beat AS if they were the same size. Fedor (top p4p best of all time in my books), BJ and Anderson are IMO the most talented fighters out there and the only reason BJ has so many more losses than Anderson is that he has faced way tougher guys and faced way more challenging style matchups. Common, I like Silva, but obviously everyone knows on paper that the matchup to give him trouble is a wrestler and the only great wrestlers he has faced are Chael and Hendo. The rest of the guys have been either unathletic weak BJJ guys or guys whose strong point is standup, and we all know Anderson is a beast standing up so the result is predictable. Although, Vitor will be a tough fight, AS better put his ego aside and not box with Vitor.

Smoke some more. AS is a terrible match up for gsp. 200 times the striker. Off his back he is dangerous and can take a whopping.

I agree GSP would get smashed by Silva if they ever fought. But GSPs natural weight is 190 whereas Anderson is about 215-220. After the Sonnen fight, I think alot of people would agree that if GSP had the same natural weight as Anderson he would have a good chance because he has more tools than Sonnen and better defense from top position on the ground.

Sorry I respectfully disagree. Silva has no problem with wrestlers. He has a boredom problem. He also doesn't walk around at 215 or 220. More like 200 205. Fighters can't cut 40 lbs every fight for 10 plus years and expect to have their organs function well. I train in muay Thai and bjj as a hobby. I can tell you from expierance cutting 20 lbs is terrible on your body never mind 40. You are talking two weightclasses. Silva has great takedown defense and would come in top shape for gsp. I love gsp he has an amazing attitude but he doesn't have the striking skill more the submission skill to stop silva. He has never even been in another weight class. Silva however can destroy people at 205. He is also a better boxer than Vito. Whoever says otherwise doesn't understand what they are watching. Punching hard and boxing are very different. He will out box Belford easily. Forest couldn't even hit him with his hands behind his back and got knocked out with a tap. Guys you need to focus your debates on technique not hype.

You seem to forget that Sonnen put |Silva on his nackside twice in the stand up from landing punches, yes Sonnen!!! Silva is slick and has some great KO's in his career from standing positions, but guys like Hendo, Lutter and Sonnen all caused Silva problems and exposed massive holes in Silva's game, far more massive than GSP getting caught by someone with heavy hands as that can happen to anyone. I aint ever seen GSP get tooled for 20+ minutes and GSP fights tougher opposition than Silva does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZtjH7JHfsI - skip to the 7:00 mark - he walks around at 225.



Saying that he has a boredom problem is based off of what? The fact that he didn't engage with Maei for half the fight? Or the fact that he wouldn't test himself inside Leites guard? Sounds to be about the same thing GSP does aginst guys who have standup advantages over him, only difference is its easier to finish a fight with standup than it is with wrestling. And if he does have a boredom problem what does that have to do with p4p debates? It is all a bit troubling and confusing to me, I hope he doesn't take his next oppenent lightly.



Silva has great takedown defense? I would say he has good takedown defense, not great. Sure he can stuff unathletic BJJ guys who he has a strength advantage over, but the only two high level wrestlers he faced took him down, PLUS even Lutter and Marquartd had him down at one point. He is good on the ground, but he does not have GREAT takedown defense.



Silva did destroy two guys at 205. Irvin, whose strength was stand up and that fight was set up to get him KO'ed. Then we have Forrest who is a top guy but not really GREAT at any single aspect of MMA, and he decides to strike with one of the deadliest stirkers on the planet. Kudos to AS, but also shame on Forrest for a stupid gameplan.



Anderson is a better boxer than Vitor (I think he is a better standup fighter, but not boxer)? Well, lets look at the evidence we have here. Vitor has never been touched on the feet, only time i remember was when Chuck knocked him down. Anderson was rocked on the feet against Chael, Maei was able to hit him with a good left or 2, and RIch even popped him a few times. Vitor puts guys away with his hands and his hands only, and it only takes 1 shot for him to put his opponents to sleep. Anderson uses kicks, knees, and punches to put his guys away, and I don't think I have seen him put any1 "to sleep" with his strikes like Vitor has. Vitor definitely has a power advantage, as for speed and accuracy, we will only know when they fight each other.

Your joking right? Have you ever taken martial arts, wrestling, or tried to cut weight? I highly doubt he is walking around at 225 and you all know the person who said so is shady to say the least. Maybe he is now but he will lose if he is. You can't cut that much weight on a regular basis. Dont take my word for it look it up. Anderson will whoop gsp has a better record and finished more fights. He got rocked? How do you know? How do you know he wasn't playing possum? He won those fights right? Was he dazed? Nope. Has he been tkod? Nope. He stuffs 80 percent of takedown attempts right on par with saint Pierre. Try using facts. Not shit from Ed soros or "beliefs" you have. And yes he can and will outbox Belford. Just because silva has better stand up and us more versatile doesn't mean he isn't a better boxer. He just has other skills to knock you out with. Or tko you. Like elbow strikes from the guard. Get a clue dude.

I don't see any reason why Ed Soares would lie about what weight one of his fighters walks around at. And my point is to try and establish that Anderson Silva's natural weight is much heavier than GSP, and that it is likely easier for Anderson to cut weight based on his body composition. I feel that you are not even considering and taking my points for what they are because you are to focused on defending Anderson. I'm just trying to bring up some points that are mostly based on facts that effect my opinion of him as a fighter. Did he get rocked against Chael? Well, it sure looked like it to me. And if he didn't. I still think it is safe to say that he was out boxed by Chael. At the same time though, facts to not always tell the same story. For example, you cited that his TD defense is on par with GSP's, and I trust that that is true. But that does not mean he has equal TD defense to GSP. You are making things more simple than they truly are when it is convient for you, then making things more complicated then they truly are when it is also convient for you. Like the way you claim he is a superior boxer to Belfort, what is that based on? Please explain to me.

Ok. It makes no sense to say Anderson has the same take down defense stats but gsp has better takedown defense. Ed sore ass would lie to make his fighter seem legendary or super human. It is obviously an advantage for a promoter to hype up his fighter. Anderson has never been tkod or kod. I actually don't like silva. I respect fighters who are humble like gsp. I don't let my opinion get in the way of facts. Look up stats records watch technique. He is a better boxer than Belford because of his record and stats as well as technique. I am looking at timing, angles, head movement, combinations, speed, footspeed, choice of strikes, and power. Fred roach himself said silva had a chance against Roy jones (yes I know he is past his prime). Facts are facts. Do I think Matt sera is a better boxer than gsp? No but he tkod gsp. Do I think Matt Hughes is a better submission artist? Yes but it's based on technique. The arm bar fail on hardy was a rookie mistake. Gsp is one of my favorites but he is no silva. Weight cutting. I will post a medical report if I need to but you can't cut 40 lbs your entire career and expect your liver, kidneys, and heart to work well.

Alrite, lets just scrap the hole weight cut thing, and focus on skill. If he does walk around at 220-230 which is rumoured, its likely because that is his "off-season" and he probably diets down to 200-210 before training his hardest. All I'll say is that I'm not convinced that he is the best p4p fighter in the world. I am convinced he is the most talented, technical, and accurate striker to ever compete in MMA, but at the same time I am convinced GSP is the most talented in a game-plan, wrestling and athletisism sense. Striking is the most entertaining part of MMA for most that why I think dangerous strikers are more revered in p4p talks than dangerous grapplers. I've seen Silva get taken down ALOT, i've seen him caught by submission twice earlier in his career as well. I've seen GSP caught twice aswell. Everyone gets caught, so for me what it comes down to is how dominating you are and the level of guys you have faced. GSP is no doubt ahead of SIlva in that sense. But at the same time, I weigh finishes much more heavily than decisions. So in that sense, AS is well ahead of GSP. So I'll just conclude by saying we will have a much clearer idea after GSP faces Shields, and Silva faces Belfort and rematches Sonnen (sorry but Okami has no chance IMO).

Here is an article on weight cutting. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/15/1311633/the-negative-health-effects-of



What you are commenting on is pure speculation. Gsp has never changed weightclasses. His competition unless you have done a side by side statistical analysis of competitors is your opinion. I will state this.

Anderson much better striker. Much better jiujitsu. Equal takedown defense. The only category gsp is better is wrestling. That puts Anderson up on skills. Especially since bjj can nulify wrestling. He beat Dan handerson who is a better wrestler than gsp. Anderson has better stats and equal or better competition. Shields? Please not even close to the Vitor. The only way it gets resolved is he fights in another weight class. Hell they should fight each other but then you will mkemsomemweigjt excuse based on rumors and speculation.

Damn thats a scary article. But again lets get past the weight thing because I really don't feel GSP belongs at 185. Also I have said countless time I think Silva would beat GSP if they ever fought, but that doesn't mean he is the better p4p fighter or more skilled fighter. I agree he is a much better striker and much better at Jits, but I still think you are overlooking GSPs proficiency in those areas, and his ability to make his opponent fight his fight. As for TD defense, look at it this way. Lutter, Nate, Hendo and Chael all got Silva down and controlled him. Lutter made one of the goofiest moves in MMA history when he went for that sloppy armbar. The ref stoof up Nate and Silva, Hendo spend the hole 1st round on him, and we all know what Chael was able to do. GSP has only been taken down by Hughes and Kos, who both have wrestling as their strong point, AND they didn't get those take downs very easily.



Ill make it as simple as I can for you. Right now, they fight, AS smashes him bcuz he is bigger and stronger. In a hypothetical world where they weigh the same naturally, GSP dictates where the fight takes place. His Takedowns are far better than Silvas defense for takedowns. His striking defense and reach (which is close to silvas) is enough to not get KO'ed on the feet. I have never seen someone come close to submitting GSP while he is on top, so I think he would ride out a decision like Sonnen almost did.



Shields is a VERY talented fighter, but again you don't think so because he has pathetic standup, isn't exciting and isn't flashy in his abilities like Anderson.



To say that it only gets resolved if GSP fights in another weight class makes absolutely no sense, unless Anderson decides to fight some tougher LHW match ups.

It's not that at all. Gsp is one of my favorites. So is machida and Maia. I don't think shields is on those levels technically. Gsp has many split decisions and many decisions. Riding someone out while controlling top position In my world doesn't amount to even close to a finish. I love gsp he is an inspiring fighter. But come on all the things you say about his dominance are playing it safe riding out the rounds on top. In a real fight that doesn't work. I know it's sport but it's beginnings came from a vale tudo style. I think you you should get points for controlling top position but not the scoring there is now or points should be taken back if you can't progress through more positions. It's getting ridiculous with some fighters. I am biased hell yes wrestling without ground and pound or submissions is boring as hell to me. Then again I like machida and that bore the hell out of people. The only difference is themscoring system is against his style and heavily favors wrestlers. I think Gsp is not technically the fighter silva was in his prime. I think he is bored out of us mind now and has said such (in between the lines). Forest is a great fighter. He beat shogun remember. He got his ass whooped silly. Not even close. Gsp hasn't done that to any one like forest never mind a different division. If you look at silva and his frame he is not big for middle weight he is average. So I don't get you weight fixation. I can tell you for a fact he doesn't cut 50'lbs (230 walking) or hasn't. If he is now it's a sign he is losing his interest or drive. He certainly doesn't have a heavyweight frame. Fedor is my favorite fighter but I don't think he would walk through silva as you say in 1 minute. You can bet he would take that fight serious. And at least use his speed and angles. It's hard to separate yourself from your favorite fighters I know. But it doesn't make suppositions facts.

I see where your coming from and agree with you. I hate it when guys just wrestle and I think finishes should be weighed more heavily in p4p debates. But still, I think you overlook that GSP is extremely talented technically in putting all of the aspects of MMA together, because that definitely counts for something. In terms of finishing fights, most of that depends on the style of the fighter, and you can't really discredit them because they are proficient at what they do. If GSP stood and banged with all his opponents he probably would not have won as much. If Anderson took all his oppenents to the ground he probably would not have won either. You can't fault a fighter for their style of fighting, and you also can't fault them for trying to win based on the rules they fight under. I agree that MMA judging and rules favors wrestlers, the reffing favors wrestlers, even the cage favors wrestlers. I wish fights took place in a ring, and that fighters got yellow carded and it was like the good old days of Pride. With all that said we can't be delusional to the fact that both Anderson and GSP do not try to fight to their weaknesses or their opponents strengths, they try to fight where they think they have an advantage. That's why personally, I put Fedor at the top of the p4p list because he tries to finish regardless of where the fight is going. After Fedor i chose GSP simply because of dominance and level of competition. If Shogun didn't lost to Forrest, I would probably have him second.



I'll say this though, and maybe its because I'm not a huge AS fan and I'm biased, if he tools Vitor on the feet, I will be sold on the fact that he is just in a hole other league in terms of talent and technical ability. And if he beats Sonnen in a rematch, I will be convinced he is the best p4p fighter in the world.



Two quick things, GSP has 1 split decision, and Fedor would KILL Anderson :)

I agree with you on Fedor. I just don't think it would be in 30 seconds. Silva is better than a lot of the competition Fedor has been fighting recently. If he really can get to 235 lbs he could certainly make a game of it. Silva and Fedor have similar strengths.



What you say about gsp playing to his strengths I unserstand. I don't think fighters should stand and bang. I think machida beat rampage playing to his strengths but that's just me (and Randy couture ). But o me wrestling without advancing, submitting, or pummeling is like boxers clenching to not fight. I have seen gsp play it a bit safe that way. I don't think he does it like other wrestlers but take couture. He didnt try to just lay on lesnar. He almost beat his ass. But I agree you play to your strengths. Saint Pierre is up there and p4p is subjective. To not include AS is ridiculous though. He has no losses in the ufc.

Yea I'm over exxagerating when I say Fedor would run through him. However, Fedor has some of the nastiest GnP around, and Anderson does take damage when he is on his back sometimes. It COULD go the distance, but I would think Fedor could finish it.



And as for GSP, no doubt he has been playing it a little safe lately. The Kos fight was nice, but he never really went for the KO, and the Hardy fight, he did for finishes but once he didn't get them and lost position he was content on riding out the clock the last two rounds. I think it has alot to do with is confidence to be honest. He doesn't have the confidence to test himself in standup against a guy like Hardy or Alves (even though he did drop him), atleast not early in a fight. I don't blame him, becuase he doesn't really have KO power, and who knows how good his chin is, it hasn't really been tested. I think tho he is gaining more confidence in his standup and we may see it a bit more in the future.

I ain't ever seen gsp fight in another division. A roided up sonnen. A bored silva. If you understand technique you would understand how to argue technique. Holes? What about gsp losing? Gsp is inferior at standup compared to silva. His takedown defense on par. His jiujitsu far superior. The only thing gsp has on him is wrestling. He could maybe lay and pray for 5 rounds but gsp has never faced a rubber guard like silva. Henderson gave him trouble? Maybe as much as hardy gave gsp. Anderson is a phenomenon plain and simple. He can be beat for sure but prob nit by gsp.

Tougher opposition? In your mind movie. Who? Why don't you look at the real facts.

Henderson is a olympic wrestler and he couldnt do anything for the 1 round he got silva on his back. You are forgetting also that he had broken ribs fighting sonnen

WHATEVER YOU JUST SAID CAME STRAIGHT FROM YOUR ASS!!!!!

Really? I think the videos stats and record backs it up. You are the one talking out your ass. I don't blame you though it the only place you know where to talk from.

So dancing around for 50 minutes with Maia and Leites makes you a #1 P4P fighter, while a technical fight like the one GSP fought with Koschek and HArdy is boring. Wow great analysis the MMAfan

Who has GSP fought that has the level of BJJ of Maia or Leittes? Nobody because the WW division is weak. All the best BJJ guys are lightweight or middleweight. BJ Penn dosn't fight straight up BJJ anymore if he did he would have beat Edgar.

Sields is the last welterweight contender? Bullshit! how about carlos condit!? I think hes incredibly underestimated and i'd love to see him get his shot at ufc gold

Condit definitely has the skill set. He reminds me of Kos in a way. Kind of a **** but can back it up.I think he would at least win a round against GSP.

Ok people who think AS is the best p4p figher in this is the only thing i can say to you. Anderson walks around at 220, GSP walks around at 190. If they were both at the same natural weight, who do you honestly think would win? Look what Chael Sonnen was able to do to Anderson, then think about how much of a superior grappler GSP is and how much more athletic he is. Obviously Anderson has a standup advantage, but GSP has monkey arms and a good jab and would be able to avoid damage. That being said, I think Silva would win if they fought in real life, but hypothetically in a p4p sense, GSP is definitely ahead of Anderson.



I'm gonna sound like a AS hater here (im not) but IMO the debate will finally be settled after Vitor KO's Anderson.

BTW, Fedor = #1 p4p until he retires or until i actually see someone beat him in a way where i go "ok, that guy is the better fighter he would win if they fought again". That tubby russian walks around like 10 pounds heavier than anderson with a shitload of belly fat, and he would **** up silva in under a minute if they fought.

FIRST ROUND STOPPAGE/TKO ,by ANDERSON SILVA .

The large majority of this site's "regulars" suffer from some serious retardation... Just my opinion.

And GSP's performance was truly dominant and entertaining, further solidifying his place as the #1 p4p fighter in my books. Koscheck has improved by leaps and bounds since their last meeting, but GSP somehow manages to improve more and more after every single fight. Again, just my opinion.

I agree, people who say that one jab does not make you a great fighter and support Anderson Silva's dancing around are hypocrites, at least GSP tried to finish the fight

where are all the videos?

GSP is a dominate fighter but how are you guys going to bag on Silva. He has defeated everyone they have put in front of him. he even defeated a former LHW champion and if you guys forgot silva was was injured for the sonnen fight and he said he was going to submit sonnen for his remarks about nog's black belt and like a true champion he did.

I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE .

YOU RIGHT ,it would be real bad for GSP to go up to 185lb especially to fight A.S I dont see that fight going past the first round.

KOS should get a male nurse to look at that eye. lol

Anyone not happy because GSP didn't finish the fight doesn't understand MMA. That was a hell of a display on crisp, technical striking. Also, it there was a nice display of good takedown defense and the like. It was a great fight for those true fans that know MMA.

Bull shit

A solid argument.

P4p doesn't mean anything it's subjective. To say you know is just plain stupid. If a fighter can fight and hold belts at different weights you have a good idea who is one of the best. I have never seen gsp fight at another weight. Silva could certainly hold two belts. Who ever said he walks around at 220 is a moron. Nobody cuts 35 or 40 lbs and has a long career. A lot of you need to train and fight yourselves before you have such strong completely uneducated opinions. Playing with your favorite ufc dolls doesn't make you an expert. Obviously gsp is one of the best fighters in the world your opinion on what style you like to watch is t an argument. Silva is bored that's why his fights are not exciting. He is that much better than everyone in that division and he will suffer from his boredom and attitude if he stops training hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZtjH7JHfsI - skip to the 7:00 mark, there is your proof he walks around at 220. That is his natural weight, once he starts training im sure it goes down though.

Right Ed soras. He never exaggerates. Proof is silva on a scale.

I still can't understand why a guy who loses rounds 8-10 is considered top P4P.

i agree with dana white. GSP Might be the best fighter to ever grace welterweight but the fact of the matter is, everybody in the MMA world has no idea what p4p even means. fighters who have the most talent distrbuted between there weight. anderson silva goes from 185 to 205 and still dominates, therefore he is a pound for pound great. just cause GSP recycles opponents and dominates a single weightclass and when i say dominate i mean DOMINATE.





the truth is anderson silva has the potential to be champion of two different weightclasses and GSP refuses to move up, therefore proving anderson has the most talent POUND FOR POUND in his body. but i guess that makes to much sense.

OH and if you use sonnen as to why anderson isnt the best p4p right now you should shoot yourself. Anderson got beat up by a roided up chael sonnen for 5 rounds.. and he still won.. even when his opponent cheated. thats amazing to me.

@ blunts



Setting aside the whole P4P debate, I agree 100% with your comment(s) about the Sonnen fight. I think, particularly given our hindsight about the steroids and cheating, that it is Anderson's greatest fight; ever. And if I were Anderson, I'd have it on a constant loop in my home, website and have a picture of hit put on my business card(s).



It will be interesting to see how they deal with Sonnen on this issue (in The UFC and whatever commission) in future. Are they seriously going to allow him to take steroids and fight, based on this dubious "story". The UFC should have him sent off and tested by an independent body of specialists, in order to determine if there really is a medical issue, here.



And that comes from a Sonnen fan, man.

Nope you make no sense. Moving out of your division to another means nothing if you fight at the new weight. p4p means skill - just skill. Not how many divisions you fight in, not your ability to finish, but skill and the ability to use that skill to win. Silva does not come close to GSP in terms of skill. Silva has great muay thai and decent jiu jitsu. GSP is great no matter where the fight goes. Silva aint even top 3 p4p in my books. POUND for POUND!!!!!!! Think about it fool.

ability to finish is skill.

wow nice finishing skills in Leites, Cote, Maia fights

You the fool. Silva is a far better striker, far better jiujitsu, equal takedown defense. The only thing GDP has over silva is lay and prey wrestling. P4p is a bullshit term that doesn't mean anything. It certainly means

Something if you can change weight classes and dominate. I can tell you don't understand technique. Gsp is the best welterweight in the world but I wouldn't put him in the same category as silva or even hendo in his prime. Fighting in other divisions is what the p4 p term means. You probably don't know what octagon control is either. Or any other technique you see.

azzkika come on man! not even top 3?! thats ridiculous lol. you act like anderson silva isnt amazing wherever the fight goes... heres a little bit of proof.



68% of strikes landed

80% takedowns avoided

75% of takedowns sucessful.

undefeated since 2006.



i dont see how a fighter of that calaber isnt a top 3 p4p.. considering you talked so much about skill.

Why is that ridiculous? I think if Aldo, Edgar and GSP were all the same size as Silva they'd all have the better chance than Silva if they fought him. So of course I am going to put them above him in p4p terms. BJ Penn would have a decent chance Fedor would smash him. So why is it so ridiculous?



He is the most successful UFC champion, but his opponents haven't been much compared to the likes of GSP's opponents. Granted when Silva has fought quality opponents he has been outstanding. I was very impressed with how he dealt with Franklin at a time when Franklin was in top form. he also has good facets as shown against Sonnen and others, where he can come from behind and win. I am not saying Silva is bad, only that i don't rate him anywhere as highly as other fighters who I think have better all round games and see Silva

having more flaws to his game despite having some of the best stand up.

dude i cant even continue this arguement. as a MMA fan im offended that you put frankie edgar above anderson silva in the p4p rankings. frankie edgar cant even fight without turning it into a wrestiling match with soft feathery jabs included. frankie edgar IS NO WHERE NEAR the skill of Anderson Silva. what does edgar have? cardio, speed, wrestiling, and some of the weakest punches ive ever seen in MMA. oh yea and Gray Maynard beat him at his own game and will do the same when they fight agian.



what does anderson silva have? a undefeated record spanning 6 years, undefeated in the top promotion in the world, best striking in MMA, crisp BJJ, unquestionable heart, outstanding takedown defense, and most importantly he makes some of the best fighters in the world just look BAD.



aside from making BJ penn look bad, frankie edgar doesnt have a game thats even close to andersons. your contridicting yourself cause you said its all about "skill". and ask any hardcore mma fan who has the better skill set anderson silva or frankie edgar. and 9 times out of 10 there going to say silva. you know why? cause anderson is the better fighter.

a reason Bj Penn is in a p4p debate is because he moves from weight class to weight class and has been champion in 2 divisions other then that compare his win/lose record to others and ask why is he in the top ten p4p list...fighting in different classes DOES have weight for an arguement.

And Silva has good dancing skills:)

Just keep in mind Silvas body type enables him to flunctuate weight easy. What 36 year old man alive is able to go from 220 pounds to 185 pounts in 12 weeks of a training camp while maintaining good strength, conditioning and reaction time? That is some god given genetics right there. GSP isn't as fortunate, his frame does not allow him to do what a tall and lean Silva does.

Nobodies body weight allows them to fluctuate 40 lbs in a twelve week period two or three times a year. He prob walks around around 200 most of the time.

He sure does and head movement. Like when he whooped

Forest with his hands behind his back. Look at his record no split decisions, many more finished, and a lot tougher competition. Gsp is great my favorite in fact. But its quite obvious to people who understand technique he' s in another league.

As much as I can't stand him, I have to tip my cap to JK for that fight, last night. He took a heck of a beating and no one would have called him a pussy if he had said "enough", when the doctor checked him. He proved a number of things last night and the fact that he has a lot of heart and can take a lot of punishment, are just two of them. On a negative, some of those kicks (that he threw last night) were laughable. At one point when he attempted that spinning kick, the whole bar, laughed. He needs to work on his kickboxing; he also need to learn to throw more then a "big" right.



And I thought there for a moment last night, we were going to see "thespian" Kos (at his best) and start claiming / faking a poke to the eye or groin strike, which never occurred; you could tell it crossed his mind for a second, but then he thought better of it.



Glad to hear - that we might (probably) see The Champ back in the ring within four months. That is tremendous news, given his 10 month layoff. I am all in favor of having a Champion defend his title as often and (as) frequently, as his health allows for; bogus TV reality show schedules, aside; particularly ones that don't need a current champion to be on, in order for it, the show, to be successful.



...Next!

Agreed. Josh's boxing was defiantly no where near GSP's. He will surly work on slipping and head movement after that. The first fight he didn't wrestle, but he worked on that for the second fight. Second fight his striking was sub par but he wrestled greatly. He seems to be a step behind against GSP.

sliva is stil number 1 in my eyes.. hes never been beat in the ufc and has went up and down in weight classes and stil wins.. sliva was getn wel beat by sonnen in his last fight but thats wat seperates class fighters and the best fighters.. any fighter can have a bad night but till come back and win the way sliva did was awsome.. thats y i agree wit dana that sliva is the best in the world.. but belfort has a better chance defeating sliva than sonnen did.. but until they meet sliva the pound 4 pound king of the octagon..

i like this article; it causes a lot of debate which is good for the community.



and lol i think ur contradicting urself Anton. You say Kos is not a great striker, so in terms, gsp is not really much of a great striker either. Yet, in ur "Anderson should take notes," you are saying gsp is just as great as Anderson in striking terms. "GSP also reminded everyone about his striking qualities, what sums up in a nightmare package for "The Spider".



take no offence to it, just pointing it out.

"I doubt that his incredible legacy is worth the risk." When you say stuff like that, it makes your first conclusion lose value.



I "could" agree that gsp has dominated his division better than silva, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that silva can beat guys higher up his weight class like fedor. Which is more amazing than gsp just beating guys at his weight.



Also, I have to agree with Jamz first sentence... I don't know about the rest of that stuff ;-p

hahaha i feel so bad for kos...he laughed at the idea of gsp taking him down in the first fight...and now on this fight kos didnt thought gsp had it in him to strike with him....lol damnnnn

there are so many inaccuracies in this whole article from praises of Jake to criticisms of Anderson but I just wanted to say to knock Anderson's legitimacy in the p4p rankings is ludicrous.



"But there's facts, and facts tell that no fighter in the history of Mixed Martial Arts (except Fedor Emelianenko in Pride days) matches GSP in terms of dominance and quality of victories. Sorry Anderson Silva fans, but James Irvin, Thales Leites, Chris Leben, Demian Maia and Patrick Cote don't come close to BJ Penn, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves and Josh Koscheck. GSP is the best Pound for Pound fighter in the World. Period."



You had just conveniently picked out Anderson's less-reputable opponents to strengthen your argument. The fact is Anderson's cleaned out more of his weigh division (not to mention that mw fighters have tougher competition than wws) than Georges; he's absolutely destroyed Rich (x2), humiliated Forrest, beat Demian Maia up for 2 rds, is the first man to ko Leben, subbed Hendo, destroyed Marquardt. Anderson's had more finishes (dominant fashion) and an undefeated record in the UFC.



I'm a bigger Georges fan than I am Anderson's but the truth is the truth. Until Georges comes up to mw and beats up some of Anderson's competitors, Anderson is still ahead of GSP.



Also, some might use the argument that GSP beat BJ (another former p4p ranked fighter). It's also SOOOO convenient to drop BJ in p4p rankings after his loss to Frankie but HYPE him so much in regards to Georges beating him.... All this shit is a farce... IT'S COMPLETELY FOOLISH

Also, would just like to add



Although he got beaten up for 4 1/2 rds he was still able to come back for a victory with a supposed injury and also against a cheater (half-cheater)... This is a solid point and also Anderson's weakness against wrestlers but no-one dropped Brock after his almost-loss against Shane? The fact is Anderson WILL beat Vitor and then get hyped again, questions will rise regarding Chael, he'll rematch AND beat Chael AGAIN, then GSP will come.... and we'll see who's the better fighter.

I'd be completely convinced Anderson is the best p4p fighter, if not, the best of all time if he beats Vitor and Chael AGAIN. I see both those fights as 50-50, and give him a 25% chance of winning both. I really have a bad feeling about the Vitor fight. He has been hit with clean shots from most southpaws hes faced, and when Vitor lands one he will either put you to sleep or follow it up with another. Anderson is the better fighter, but if he decides to fight where Vtior is strongest, he will surely lose.

this many replies assures me that it doesnt matter what anyone thinks really in this world, except our so-called leaders of each nation.

This is definatly becoming the most responded to thread haha,

to much to read! Its wierd not seeing every comment be 3 words and a bunch of idiots calling each other gay... WAR GSP!

A.S would K.O GSP just like that!, my friends is STRIKING is way better than GSP's ,OK

better wresller yes but, not enough to beat A.S.

GSP is the man at 170lb. He would be beat at 185lb not just by A.S, by at least 5 guys at 185lb, maybe more just think about it . Its a really bad idea to go up to 185lb .

This whole discussion, actually in general discussion about p4p is absurd. There is no way to prove it and no way to disprove it. Only way to solve this is having a tournament. But that is a dream of dreams for mma fans, which will never happen. Maybe in Japan but not here with so many organizations and the athletic commissions.

oh and lets not for get the promoters.

"I doubt that his incredible legacy is worth the risk."



Those arnt the words of a champion

Sadly I do agree with some of the others on here in saying that this article is a bit more bias than I'm comfortable with. Mainly because of this line...



"Sorry Anderson Silva fans, but James Irvin, Thales Leites, Chris Leben, Demian Maia and Patrick Cote don't come close to BJ Penn, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves and Josh Koscheck. GSP is the best Pound for Pound fighter in the World. Period."



Don't get me wrong, I'm not debating either is "the greatest P4P" - I could honestly see either side of the coin. Both fighters have very different ways of dominating their weight class. GSP tends to dominate the fight where the opponent had no chance, and was in no danger himself, even if he doesnt finish the opponent. Alternatively, Silva tends to dominate the fight with some incredible evasion and deadly accuracy. Some would say Silvas better because he never lost in UFC and GSP did. Some would say that Silva taking a beating for the majority of the Sonnen fight lowers his P4P ranking. Some would say Silva pulling off a victory in the 5th after getting dominated shows exactly why he's truly P4P.



Which is why the comments in this article are pretty disturbing... I feel those types of comments belong in a blog or personal submission, not as a main article.



It's really kind of messed up to take the biggest names that GSP has faced and put them against the smallest names Silva has faced. If your going to share your opinions in an article, at least make a fair comparison. A more fair comparison would be Penn, Fitch, Alves, Koscheck compared to Franklin, Marquardt, Henderson, and Sonnen. (or Forrest if you are counting non-title fights). If you consider that both fighters have fought some stiff competition, and both have completely dominated some of the best in the world, and there is no way either person could confidently argue that one is better than the other by their achivements.



Considering how close they are in weight classes, and the talk of GSP moving up to MW, we should all be happy that GSP-Silva is the superfight we are most likely to see in the future, and then this argument can finally be laid to rest. Which is great because you couldnt find 2 better fighters to compete for it.

First of all P4P best is ALWAYS subject to the preference of the person who is putting out the list. Silva fans will have Silva as the top and GSP fans will do the same the argument can never be resolved cause it's simply a matter of loyalty to a particular fighter.



Now going back to the article I would like to talk about each of the 5 topics posted by the author.



"Dana White is wrong"

Dana White is not wrong he is an obvious Silva fan and he consider that Silva is better than GSP it's his opinion and no one can really change his mind, unless he change his mind himself.



"Josh Koscheck overhyped his striking"

Yes I think Josh Koscheck relied too much on the ability of his overhand right, he got too over confident with his one shot knock out power that he did not concentrate on the setup of his power punch. GSP establish that jab and put a doubt on Josh Koscheck mind when and where to pull the trigger and in the end he was not able to "touch" GSP chin (as he said in TUF).



"GSP could be too small for Middleweight "

Maybe he is too small for the division. GSP is one of the most intelligent fighter in MMA today he is very diligent in breaking down fight plans and in his training. He works so hard to be the best he can be and in my opinion he has achieve what he set out to be. He trains with some of the best coaches in a single discipline and incorporate their knowledge to his MMA game. Now GSP is comfortable and is the KING of the 170 division and he is comfortable with that so why does he need to fight in a division higher or lower than where he is at? IF a fighter wants to fight him then they should go to him not the other way around.



"Anderson Silva should take some notes"

No Anderson Silva does not need to take notes (yet). Anderson is the same intelligent fighter as GSP it would be stupid for Anderson to be fielding ideas about (if ever) a challenge that GSP will post. If Anderson Silva start thinking about GSP then he will surely lose to Belfort. Anderson will take note only if the fight ever happens. The old sport saying of "One game at a time" rings true to all intelligent fighters and beside GSP will bring something new anyway for this (if ever) challenge.



"Jake Shields is the Last Man Standing"

I don't think this is the case if anything Jake Shields might be the catalyst for GSP to LEAVE (yes you heard it right LEAVE) the UFC. If Shields loses to GSP then GSP "might" sign to a different promotion where a fresh new Welterweight division awaits him. Let us all face it the UFC is the biggest fight company out there BUT this does not mean that they have the best fighter in the company so who knows some lower tier fight company might have a fighter that would really challenge GSP or if GSP might move up in division he might fight the lower standard fighters in a different fight company just to see if he can be comfortable in the higher division.





This is just my opinion...

Only one conclusion in my book. The superior GSP out-fought and out-classed Kos once again. End of story. Kos was never in the fight. Bring On Shields and GSP will do the same to him.

where is all the videos from ufc 124?

Anderson Silva is the pound for pound in my books

I don't understand why everyone is so taken with GSP. He was unable to finish his opponent ONCE AGAIN. And this time the guy he was fighting was blind in one eye for almost 4 rounds! GSP's own quote is coming back to haunt him in this post, "I am not impressed with your performance."

GSP gave him the blind eye though.

One thing i can ALWAYS count on here, is that silva gets hated on no matter what happens in a fight.



GSP pokes koscheck in the eye on the way to ANOTHER decision proves he's the number 1 p4p? Whatever. Koscheck is such an amazing standup fighter afterall, just like hardy and serra.

"Sorry Anderson Silva fans, but James Irvin, Thales Leites, Chris Leben, Demian Maia and Patrick Cote don't come close to BJ Penn, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves and Josh Koscheck."



Guess the difference is that Dana white actually remembered EVERYONE anderson has faced when he compared the two. BJ penn is an underweight WW and he's still on that list..does that mean there will be no size excuses if GSP moved up to MW? Leben is basically the only person off the original ultimate fighter to stay at MW, everyone else ran for the hills it seems, so don't compare leben to koscheck.



WW is the most stacked division since when? If that's true, why does GSP fight the same few guys over and over? Just putting that division over LHW is a clear indication of bias, but if you want to ignore the fact that silva made the guy who beat the current champion look like a joke, guess you have to have a selective memory.



"Not since fedor has a fighter been so dominant!"

Whatever. Im sure if silva had this many decisions someone would call him over the hill.