Ronda Rousey: If the person doesn't tap you keep going

I'm not quite sure I believe that one... Doesnt anyone remember the fight where there was a dispute because her opponent did not tap?

Tim Sylvia VS Frank Mir... Tim never tapped but the ref stopped it.

Fighters safety is the ref's number one priority - it was clear (well with slow motion replay) that Tim's arm broke, the ref made the right call.

It was also clear from the post fight drug test that Sylvia was too hopped up on painkillers to notice.

Sylvia's arm broke in several places.



I still cringe nostalgically when I think of that.



There was no doubt--

In a choke if the guy never taps he will die unless the ref stops the fight. The point at which the ref steps in is the loss of consciousness which is another way of saying - the ref should stop the fight when it is obvious that significant damage is being done (broken bone, loss of consciousness, joint dislocation) This should also include less common examples like eyeball on the floor, testicle flung into the audience and fighter pressed out through the cage.

I agree with anything like fighter goes unconscious because they can no longer make a decision but I think broken limbs and stuff or anything where the fighter can make a decision should be left up to them in terms of subs. TKO is another story though as you are usually to rocked to make a judgement call. Rousey vs Tate went down properly and only tate can be blamed for how much damage was done.

I think the only difference would be in how the victory is scored. I believe a sub without a tap that the ref stops (due to unconsciousness, bone breaking, etc.) goes down as a "technical submission". Mir's armbar of Sylvia, guillotine of Kongo, and kimura of Nogueira (Big Nog tapped, but the ref was already stopping the fight) are all listed as technical submissions, despite the fact that the ref moved in to stop the fight without a tap.

I can't recall if I've ever seen a fighter suffer a severe break/ligament//joint damage from a submission and then go on to win a fight. The ref needs to either talk to the fighters before the fight in detail about what they would like him/her to do in that situation or be very knowledgeable of BJJ and use good judgement to determine if the fight is most likely 'over' anyway.

Didn't Forrest Griffin manage it?

Forrest Griffin

Maybe not from a submission but still a broken arm.

Same with Franklin.

if no escape yeah but Ive seen plenty of guys caught up in submissions do a couple things and get out like the first armbar her wrist was the other way

and finally got out even tho pretty sure for a second she had it good and still did damage but got out and you would hope that refs would be educated enough to know if it was locked up

Rousey FTW!!Turning into a female version of Frank Mir.She be into the hobby of collecting arms.

I dont think Mir is a good comparison, Rhonda has only 1 kind of submission on her record, Mir has about 10 different subs that he beat people with.

Maybe a one-trick pony, but when the trick is that good....

em she only did that in her last fight, the rest were basically arm bars on the way down to the mat, during a takedown or just after it gets down. Thats the first time in her pro career shes used strikes to make someone roll over and give up there arm...

Forrest Griffin had his arm broken in a fight and went on to beat his opponent with a broken arm. So if the ref would have stopped the fight he would have robbed Forrest of his win. As fighters we all have to decide how much we are willing to sacrifice for the win. It's not up to the ref to do that. If your unconscious it's his job because you can't make the decision then. If both your arms are trapped you can verbally "tap out".

Same with rich Franklin and a few people have fought with broken hands too and did very well considering. I don't think the ref should get involved unless the fighter is incapable or seems incapable of proper decisions like a unconscious, or TKO situation. At least with the tap from tate there is no controversy and Tate can only be mad at herself for decision if she is mad and the fans can't try and justify a rematch.

Franklin also broke his arm, and KO'd Lidell

When fighters break arms etc. and keep going, it is their choice of doing so. How many broken hands do we see? almost every card. Submissions are not black and white, everyone is going to be a bit different, common sense must be used by the ref.

Rhonda did her job and did it well. Its sad she even feels she has to explain her actions to people who shouldnt be watching MMA.

What gets me is the number of people complaining either way. If someone is attempting to employ a BJJ/wrestling heavy game, the complaints are that they just want to lay and pray, be boring, and not actually fight. However the moment someone gets broken they jump in with how the fighter should be punished for excessive brutality. I swear the fanbase is schizophrenic sometimes.

what an amazing armbar against Tate!

You know where Ronda is getting her bjj training, right? She teaches judo at Dynamix mma in Santa Monica, CA with Rickson bjj blackbelt Henry Akins. I have never experienced such demoralizing submissions with anyone like I did Henry. He doesn't use any fancy techniques, just Rickson basics, but he does all of it with scary intentions. I remember hearing about the guys he finished- both on the street and in tournaments- blown up arms, shoulders, etc. He is the only person (besides Rickson) who could easily tap people with with NO HANDS- he could just smother you cross side (with "the whale") or triangle or omo plata you. He'd even give you top crossside to start with his hands in his belt. Damn. It's no wonder she destroyed Tate's arm.