Marloes Coenen refutes Dana White's claims regarding Golden Glory payment methods
Posted on August 5, 2011, 02:15 PM by Joey SantosusFollowing the sudden release of several high-profile Golden Glory competitors, including former Strikeforce Women's Welterweight Champion Marloes Coenen, UFC President Dana White explained the decision as one inspired by conflicting business practices between ZUFFA and the fighter's management team.
"The way that they do business is, you have to pay them - not the fighters. We don't work that way. It's not the way we do business and it's not how it works here in the United States with the athletic commissions," White insisted in a recent interview.
Coenen, who received her walking papers just days after losing her title to Miesha Tate at Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Henderson, responded to White's claims today via Twitter, offering photographic evidence that appears to refute notions of any unusual payment methods.
Martijn De Jong, head coach at Golden Glory, has referred to the releases as a "big blow" to the team, stating that he remains hopeful that the issue between the two parties came be resolved. Whether or not there is, in fact, more to the story remains unclear, however some have speculated that the Golden Glory promoted "United Glory World Series" events could have been a motivating factor in the cuts.
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Further Reading: ZUFFA releases Marloes Coenen, Jon Olav Einemo and Valentijn Overeem
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BITCH WENT CRAZY
Gawd you are an absolute moron! good for Marloes!!!! everyone know that Dana is a lying SOB! is his way or the highway,his mom was soooo right when she called him all things in that book,he;s like a brat,he wants it all,they don't do it his way they get cut,Coker's Dana's bitch,he has no say whatsoever in anything,he's a puppet,both of them are a joke!
I totally agree. Dana is a perfect example of "American Greed!" Basically he is running the UFC like Microsoft. #Monopoly. Dana is the most selfish, disrespectful man in the face of the earth! He is worth 200 Mil? Hoop ti Do! He contradicts himself all the time! What do you call the firing of Fedor? WTF was that all about? No respect for a GUY that steamed over everybody in 32 fights before loosing 3! Strikeforce is done. Plain and simply. They are not promoting it at all! Can u all see that shit? Scott is a puppet! INDEED! His words do not mean shit! All I got to say is KARMA. KARMA is a bitch!
You said it best my friend,right on point!
I have no idea wtf I'm lookin at here... I see her name, Forza (what is that?), a bunch of illegible writing...
I think the main point here is where it says "Pay to the order of" and then to the right it shows "Marloes Coenen" in typed print.
However, White did say that all previous payments made to GG fighters were done in customary fashion. So really, what a person wants to take from this is up to them.
Forza is a division of ZUFFA
I dont understand how her providing proof that he paid her directly shows that his claims arent true? That only shows that they only pay fighters directly, which in a way backs up Zuffa's claims.
That doesnt have a correlation to whether GG is making demands or not? For all we know GG wanted to be paid, and Zuffa said screw that we're doing what we always do and sent the check along with the release.
I know it's natural to doubt Zuffa in the position they are in, but if you look at all they said, they said they would be open to having a public discussion about this to show they are not hiding anything and would be open to working with them if they do business the proper method.
Forza is a subsudary of Zuffa so the check comes from Forza not Zuffa...
Right. Dana said the same exact thing about Einemo. He said we paid him our way, and GG continued to demand their way, so we showed them the door.
In that interview with Helwani it was clear he's talkin out his ass. All it came down to was Dana not wanting to pay fighters their fair share. GG arn't a bunch of pussy asskissers and probably asked to be paid what they deserve.
GG is a Fight and Management team, so obviously they are going to take care of negotiations for their fighters and try to get them as much money as possible. Until we hear from GG, I wouldn't believe exactly what Dana says.
Sooner or later Dana has to face what is inevitably going to happen, you can't have mainstream sporting league that generates outrageous amounts of money, without a players/fighters union. It's only a matter of time.
Seems like anything I say that sounds anti-zuffa gets weaked. Dana is a hypocrite with no integrity who will grow his business at any cost. Just my opinion.
If you said something anti-Zuffa that had some logic and took all variables in to consideration, it would not get weaked. Believe me, people are NOT shy to be anti-Zuffa if there is a good reason.
But comments that are not based on logic and ignore the facts & variables that are provided just ruin the credibility of your statements.
I personally don't treat Dana's words as facts. So before the facts do come out, I'm free to speculate and give my opinion on the situation, as long as it is reasonable. If Dana can't to business with someone, it's because of money, and IMO fighters are currently not earning a fair cut of the profit. Keep in mind the fighter has more than just the typical bills to pay. The bigger the sport gets the more we are going to see these types of disagreements, and the greater chance there will be of a union formulating.
All these is bullshit, at the end the fighters where paid the way Minime wanted but still got cut, you know the payment was not the issue, come on, that could´ve easily be deal with or get to an agreement, Dana is lying again and you guys are buy his crap...
All these is bullshit, at the end the fighters where paid the way Minime wanted but still got cut, you know the payment was not the issue, come on, that could´ve easily be deal with or get to an agreement, Dana is lying again and you guys are buy his crap... by the way props to Joey for posting this it was about time...
dana is a lying scumbag he says kharitonov wasnt cut because hes still in the GP, so was ****ing overeem! and then they are able to get JOE to fight and now all of the sudden they have problems with his management. Give me a ****ing break Dana got rid of coenen because he doesnt want women in UFC and the rest because he doesnt like GG he is a piece of shit who only cares about himself and $$$, SF will be gone in no time and Dana will become dictator of mma
Lol, I bet after that interview Dana flipped on Helwani for asking him some "tough" questions.
Uhh, false on the statement that Overeem was still in the GP.
And if you followed the rumors that were going around about GG's issues with Zuffa, you would know that they were around since before SF Hendo vs Fedor last week. As a matter of fact, we were even discussing it during the live chat of the event as that was the possible reason for Overeem's release.
Also, if he wanted to kill womens MMA in SF/UFC, then there are other women he would have gotten rid of far before Coenen. She was one of the top women in the division.
I know it's easy to doubt the people on top of the business, but why would they invite GG's fighters to meet and discuss it publicly, and further state that if they agree to the business terms of paying the fighters directly they are welcome to fight under Zuffa? If they were trying to run shady business decisions the LAST thing they would do is invite a public discussion.
Wrongful dismissal, sue the fat bald bastard
It's most likely Zuffa closing ranks on GG then after learning they were going to promote their own world series. They've just executed their main opposition (rip SF) so they're not about to let another org step into the breach. The payment method story was probably just their cover story, that's how it would appear from the evidence Coenen is presenting here. The more of a monopoly Zuffa gain the less variety we're going to see in MMA. People miss these smaller shows already, i know i do, SF was something different to look forward to other than the UFC. Who's next on their list i wonder, Bellator? KOTC, hell, there aren't that many left......(sigh)....
How does this evidence prove anything other than Zuffa paid her directly sometime in the past? (we don't even have a date on this check).
That matches up with what Zuffa said so far. They never claimed they paid GG directly in the past, only that they refused to pay them directly?
look at it again it says 7/30/2011
@terra dam straight my man the ufc are terminators any1 who posses a threat is executed- Pride, GG, in no time SF and i wouldnt be surprised if bellator folds aswell in the near future.
Hard to make out but i see the date this time. But the point still stands - they never claimed they paid GG directly in the past, only that they refused to pay them directly.
This is not evidence against those claims, nor is it evidence that GG did not make that request/demand in negotiations.
If GG really has nothing to hide about the negotiations, then we'll see what the truth really is if GG takes up Zuffa's offer to discuss it publically.
For the Golden Glory Promotion to grow it would require serious brand exposure. The UFC dropping their fighters may be an anti competitive move.
Personally, I believe this is a move to sign up Alistair Overeem for the UFC.
The UFC is exerting it's power over a small promotion who train fighters performing in the UFC. The financial loss incurred on both fighters, promotion and the gym alike threatens the stability of the team... Some people being able to train full time, future earnings...
The UFC have provided the public with a presenting issue, "incompatible management practice", in my experience there will be one major and one secondary issue which underlie the complaint.
The UFC is exerting its power to leverage the management of GG in accepting certain conditions, such as reduced payment for Allistair Overeem (until he proves himself is a likely statement).
This situation reminds me of when Randy Couture announced his retirement on Twitter... It was simply notice of his intention for a last hurrah, this in my opinion is the prelude to the big signing of Allistair Overeem.
Watch this space