you need a "depending" button......depending on who he fights and depending how soon he becomes a politician.
YES because he will keep dodging the ufc
look what the reem did to rogers bye bye fedor
Exactly, if he keeps ducking the UFC then no but I also think Overeem has a shot at taking him out
the reem is coming...
my thoughts exactly
Fedor has a 1 lose on his record, so I chose no.
But that lose was stopped cause of a cut, technicaly i dont think that counts as a loss.
But I still chose no because we all lose eventually
if he goes in the ufc i dont think he ll stay undefeated
I agree. Whether you like him or not, think he's dodging the UFC or not, or whatever, it really boils down to who and where he fights the rest of his career. He could very easily go undefeated the rest of his fights if he continues the way he is going, BUT, if he does decide to branch out and face more top level fighters, there is a very good chance he will lose at least one, if not more fights. No fighter is invincible, we all know that.
I chose yes bc he is not going to fight in the UFC he is scared and I would be 2. He will dodge all good fighters until he retires, thats his style. Good job Fadar!
He will Never Fight in the UFC!!!
Lets just get over it already, why, bc youknow, I know and the world knows he is scared!
fedor is bald and fat, but he will never be able to beat fedor
he will remain undefeated, if he doesn't lose
If he retires now, then yes he will keep his winning streak. But if he goes up against some true heavyweight hard-asses then no he will not
If he can get through Werdum, he has to go through Overeem... Overeem is a scary ****ing dude. Tossed brett around like a rag doll...
But the guy isn't undefeated if you look at his record.
He has a loss but he's never been beat. He has that loss due to doctor stoppage for a cut. He was winning the fight.
Now, I do believe he will retire undefeated. Werdum will get crushed by him and I highly doubt he will fight Overroids. M1 has already been laying the ground work to not fight him by making statements about his steroid use.
He'll retire undefeated because Strikeforce doesn't have anyone who can beat him except for Overeem but I doubt Fedor will fight him.
The fight was only 14seconds long :/
ya but his only loss was a ref stoppage because he had a bad cut. then he revenged that "loss". so basicly undefeated
You know it was a cut stoppage, your just starting crap
fedor will remain undefeated..unless he fights in the UFC
Fedor will remain undefeated unless he fights overeem, he will not fight in the UFC, he will retire after strikeforce and become a politician lol
No, I think that he is going to lose to somebody like Overeem, get a rematch win and then retire, he is beatable, and he is getting old he should be retiring soon...
Old??? He's 34.
Yes he is old for combat sports, specially considering the years that has been fighting not only in MMA but also in Sambo, I am Fedor fan, I think he is the best but he is human, he is goign to lose one day, and that does not mean anything, it just means that his wining streak is over... No one has ever been so dominant in MMA he is going to be the best ever for a while if the loses is because he is aging, like any other human being.
I agree with most of your reply but 34 is not old in MMA. A good portion of the champs are in their early to mid 30s.
exactly what i think .but you cant say that here ,cause the fedor lovers will click weak on your comment
He's 34. A person does not achieve their full adult strength until 30. He is well within his prime. "Old", is the same tired excuse used to explain the fact that the vast vast majority of Pride fighters never had a chance to transition to the UFC. Most of those who have attempted it, have looked slow and tired and in over their head.
He is not at his prime for crying out loud, he is more experienced now, but his prime was like 3 or 4 years, all the guys that came pride that were dominant there are past 30, it is like that the Iceman sucks, he does not suck he is getting old for combat sports that is it...
Fedor is much stronger now than he was at 25. You peak physically at 30. He has many years left if he wants to train and to work for it like he used to.
In theory I agree with you ston3pony but Fedor has also been in a lot of battles. I don't think he is losing it yet but he probably won't be fighting as long as Couture who didn't even start in MMA until he was about Fedor's age.
y'all are my kind of people!!
You can say whatever you like if your not a pssy.
I dont even look at the ratings
yeah, like I care if they weak me or sharp me they better suck me that´s what they should do...
By the way I am Fedor fan I am just being realistic...
I'm a Fedor fan too p4p... But, there are several guys at the top right now, who are unlike anything he has faced. There's never been anything like Lesnar or Carwin. Velasquez? JDS? Duffee? All four of which will only get better and better for the next 5-10 years. I think he may lose to Alistair, and I think even Jon Jones could beat Overeem. Several of the LHW's could.
Fedor is one of the greatest ever, he's not the P4P best though. And if the current top HW's were there in Pride, he wouldn't be undefeated today. IMO.
I voted yes simply because that seems to be his and his "managements" plan. If I thought for one second he'd ever face Cain, Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos.... I would have clicked no... or HELL NO if that would've been a choice. He'll smash Werdum, then have a million reason to avoid Overeem then he'll fight Kimbo, Butterbean, maybe Zulu again. I doubt he'll fight Choi again cuz I think that fight scared him a little. same for Rogers and Arlovski, they both showed some fight. I think Coleman would be a good choice for his fight after Kimbo. OK enough sarcasm... I'm so f'n sick of his management. He needs to step up if he wants to remain considered the best.
Everybody looses. That is the sport of MMA.
I say it depends. There is no one now fighting that I would pick to beat him. If there is anyone out there that can beat him then they are so closely matched that on any given day he could also beat them. That said, if he does what most fighters do he will fight until he is halfway down the slope, lose to someone who would never have beaten him when he was in his prime and then continue to fight in an attempt to fix his record. Some would argue that he is past his prime now but I do not think so. We won't know for sure until he is through with Werdum and Overeem. I think he will win both of those fights but we will see. If he is able to beat Overeem in a convincing manner then I still think Fedor is the current #1 HW.
Nice work ICP. Fedor is the oldest grizzly bear who still scratches his mark highest on the trees. Of course, there will come a time when a new bear comes along and scratches higher, but that will never erase the mark that Fedor (or Theodore, as Tito likes to call him) made.
Dear God! If I had realized that the initials of my screen name were ICP I would have never used it! Oh well, guess I have to go grow a goatee and get some Jncos.
Until he goes against real competition... yeah probably
I think that he will be undefeated(despite his two blemishes of one draw and a stoppage loss) only because M1 Global will sign him for fights where he will clearly have an edge. If he wins against Werdum, I highly doubt that M1 will let him have a title shot with Overeem. Unless the payout is something insanely ridiculous with a shit ton of zeros on the check. If they did schedule that fight, I'm taking Overeem!
I would put money on Overeem as well. And, if Strikeforce sticks to the plan, he'll beat Werdum, and they'll give Werdum the title shot.
It's funny because Scott Coker confirmed that if Fedor wins, they will offer him a title shot against Overeem. But what if 'Werdum wins? They haven't said anything about a title shot for Werdum...
He will lose to someone. That someone is me. Japanegro23. Oh crap in MMA?.... Still yea. I'm not sure to who though. Probably when he gets too old.
So many negative comments about this mma legend and about his tremendous achievements in this sport :S
Everybody is like when he is going to loose he will stop fighting, retire, people are going to drop him in the garbage bla bla bla
He is a warrior and a true mma icon and he will not stop fighting for 4-5 years minimum with a loss or not
Like Overeem said about Fedor in his last interview : "I know him personally and he dont give a shit about who he fights against."
M1 is shit, but you must put a blame on the pansy ass dana white too
Those ****ers dont give a damn about the sport and the fans, they just want the MONEY !
Its a shame to spit on a legend like Fedor
Dont get overwhelm by the hateful comments of Dana White
and his propaganda that creates doubt in MMA fans, that he is scared of loosing and not sighing into UFC and not fighting the "best" - thats the most pathetic lie i have ever heard and i cant believe that people fall on this.
Shut up, the UFC has done more for MMA than any other organization in history, with the exception of possibly Pride, who was also a major contributor. Everything else you said is fine, whether I agree or not, but whats with bashing on the UFC and Dana White every time someone says they would like to see Fedor fight guys that are in the UFC?? Whats wrong with that? There is great talent there! You gotta face it, the UFC is the Major League of MMA at this time!! So with that in mind, what makes more sense? Several guys leaving the top organization to fight ONE guy, or that one guy coming to the top organization?? Ok then..... So with all the politics and contracts and promoting aside, that is why we AS FANS want to see it happen.. Thats why people will always say Fedor should join the UFC and that is why people get frustrated....
I've put ufc and m1 negotiators in the same basket. That means that im pissed too, for not seeing fedor fighting in ufc. And i dont blame him, for being a scared or some other bullshit.
Both M1 and UFC are fanatic when comes to protecting their business
UFC are giants, m1 are noobs and they want part of the pie too.
and UFC give the pie to nobody, because they are interested only in MONEY. They would make money if they co-promote with m1 too, but little less than buying the soul of fedor and owning him with his pants, and do whatever dana white wants. This was not the case, and they play on the blaming card, accusing him for being scared, and not fighting the best. In this mma triangle choke on the fedor's neck some fans are mislead by the crap that dana white says.
He is a fighter god damn it.
Remember when Fedor was negotiating with UFC the HW division was very weak at the time. He didn't run away from no one. In pride he'd fight anyone never ducked anyone. Dana while credit for establishing the most prominent mma organisation must be given, his continual cheap shots at the greatest ever fighter show him to be jealous and bitter.
I'm surprised he's allowed his top fighters to go on record as saying that Fedor is the best in the world, these fighters being GSP, BJ Penn, A Silva and Shogun Rua. The fact all the other great fighters regard him so highly is because in a nutshell he is the best. The haters can hate but facts are facts, He has knocked out his last 3 opponents who were all top ten and on win streaks prior to fighting Fedor. Find a UFC HW who can say the same and you'll see tthat the BS being spouted about the emperoris naive and ignorant.
All the haters get some sleep now before school, and if you have grown up and left school get back there to finish your education as it seems you are devoid of logic and reason and ability to accept facts and statistics. Hype from the bald one is just that - hype and has weak foundation.
Yes hes a good fighter, but the entire world would like to see how good in this century. I am so sick of hearing about Fedor. If he wont fight the top comp then quit calling him the best. Only seeing him fight once a year againt the second rate is lame. I havent considered him the best in a long time.
If he doesn't fight, then he cant lose right? Also, yes a ref stoppage due to a cut DOES count as a loss.... Its called a TKO. Just because you are in love with him, doesn't mean he is immune to the rules.
it was an ilegal elbow...
He lost, that doesn't mean he was defeated though. Two different things.
Obviously though, no, if he fought the top competition he would not go undefeated. It's the only reason he is in Strikeforce, and it's why they are dragging him out as long as they can. He beat Rogers, so Rogers gets the title shot? They know that they have very little life left in their rosters. It's going to be all rematches and bogus match-ups until Fedor retires or Strikeforce tanks.
Overeem dominated Rogers much more impressively than Fedor did. Rogers could have knocked Fedor cold for 10 minutes, and the obsessors would have claimed that the ref stopped the fight too soon. They would claim it was fixed. etc. etc.
A lot of guys in the UFC would could hang in there with him. Several could beat him. And he knows it, which is why he isn't fighting professionally anymore, he's coasting against people who have no business even stepping in to the octagon with him.
Illegal elbow bro... but since it was a championship, they had to pick someone to continue and they declared that Fedor lost... do some research, there s a reason why most people including me don't count that as a loss, we're not crazy
"Do some research".....You say that like you just said something I didnt already know!! But guess what my friend??! Its still a LOSS.....
Yeah, I have to agree with SUC on this one. A win is a win and a lose is a lose despite the excuses a fighter or people can come up with.
spell fail =(
Such arrogance, you seriously think that just becuase Rogers gave Fedor more trouble then Overeem it automatically means that Overeem will beat Fedor? Styles makes fights and some fighters do better against other types of fighters. But I guess with your logic Brock stands no chance against Carwin as Carwin's Mir record is far more impressive then Brocks (I do think Carwin will beat Brock but I have better reasons then that).
And its kind of ironic that Americans seem so befuddled by the concept that Fedor doesn't want to go to the UFC because he values his Freedom to much, come on the home of the free surely you should be able to understand that?
Yes, he values his freedom to fight in fringe organizations where he won't ever have to face the best fighters. He values his freedom to sit in Strikeforce making a fraction of what he would make in the UFC.
And, use all the silly rationalizations that you like. The fact is that Fedor looked mediocre against a mediocre Rogers. The fact is that Overeem handled Rogers much more easily. That's simply reality.
And now he's fighting someone who flunked out of the UFC, smashed by maybe the #5 contender.
This is not the land of the free. It is the land of the easily frightened wage slaves. Look how quickly the Patriot Act got signed to the thunderous applause of the masses. Most of us Americans wouldn't understand what true freedom is if it sat on our faces and wiggled.
Here Krogan befuddle this in your mouth you homo.
how did you get to be such a retard?
he bashes Americans and you attack me?
Your the retard and change your name to UchokePenis.
First off, he didn't bash Americans, he stated that he didn't understand how a bunch of Americans (the majority on this site unless I am mistaken) could not understand a concept that we are supposed to venerate. Since you obviously have no grasp of concepts beyond black and white simplicity thought I will reply to you thus... Nuh uh, you're the retard. BTW it is "you're" if you want to say "you are".
If the question is is Fedor unbeatable then my answer is obviously No but if I am asked the question you put here then Yes, I think he will beat Werdum and Overeem and retire after that. He has been the number 1 HW for over 10 years and he has nothing left to prove.
But I'll say this also, no matter what happens from this point on Fedor is the still the greatest MMA fighter of all time, losing to Buster Douglas didn't change that for Tyson either.
Krogan, thank you from Fedor and Fluffybuns.
Exactly. Fedor will either retire without fighting the best competition, and you'll say it doesn't matter. Or, he'll actually fight them, then lose, and you'll say it doesn't matter. Fedor being considered the best ever, isn't based on his record or his competition.
There are few HW's that can beat him.
And the one who probably has the best chance (Shane Carwin) says that all he has for Fedor is a puncher's chance.
Christ, your so pathetic. How can you say his fame isn't based on his record? The guy has the most impressive record in mma history. Top fighter, commentators, sports writers - they all agree on this. Only Dana and retarded UFC fanboys like you have gogles on and try to rewrite history.
And no,if he loses it doesn't matter because every fighter will lose at one time or another if he keeps fighting long enough. But I'll ask again: name one hw that has a better record? And if you cant please stop repeating the same old shite, stfu and go jerk off to your Brock Lesnar posters.
my sentiments entirely shaft. I dont know where so many idiots sprout from. I wonder if monkeys have learnt to type.
Say all the silly WWF watching doofuses who see no problem with the "best ever" fighting jokes like Zulu and HMC. He could start fighting women only, and you'll cheer.
He's in a weak organization, he's not fighting the best competition. You're okay with that because you're not a real fan of the sport, you're in love with Fedor.
Shut the hell up with the record, only complete idiots think that's the main reason Fedor is good. This is the reason the ONLY way someone will say Marciano is the greatest boxer ever, is if they are insanely stupid or a closet nazi.
In other words, skillsets are better tools to use to determine skills(duh?) than a record.
Talking to you is like talking to Sarah Palin. You're not realy responding to what's being said, you're just repeating the same mantra over and over. It's like a north-korean propaganda program.
You adore a WWE clown with a 5-1 record, and then dump on a guy that has a 31-1 record. You accuse him of not fighting 'the best'...but cant name anyone who has. You say he fights for peanuts...because your too stupid to realize he's making more money than ever.
I think its probably all the masturbating to Brock posters...accidentally squirted your few remaining braincells into a box of cleanex. I fear for your health if Brock does somehow manage to beat Carwin.
sorry monkeyboy, there is no "T" in LEARNED
probably bunch of kids
trick question hes already lost a fight, making undefeated irrelevant!
many commentators refer to fedor as undefeated because under todays rules he would have never had a loss on record. he was in elimination tournament, received a cut from illegal elbow 15 seconds into fight and ref stopped it. because it was elimination tournament they had to count him as loser so his opponent could progress but he never actually lost, it was a no contest and under some rules today he'd have been awarded the win. everyone who knows mma knows this and dont reagard it as a loss, kind of how they dont regard rua's first fight with machida as a loss either.
Under todays rules he would have lost to Arona right before that, so people should stop crying and call a spade a spade.
What are you on about? He's NOT undefeated....
I don't subscribe to the fedor chicken image of a guy who is afraid of challeging the ufc fighters.
Fedor does not want to fight in the ufc because he wants to promote M1 (company he owns for major part). And M1 really step on ufc's interests. UFC refused several times co-promotion events.
Things are very political on this & beyond our adrenaline understanding.
I think he might if he stays at S-hitforce and Reem is snapped up by the UFC but if he decides to be a real competetor and moves to the UFC he may suffer defeat to someone like Brock or Cain Velasquez or he may lose if he fights Reem in S-hitforce.
He is'nt unbeaten anyway technically he suffered a very unlucky loss when he suffered a cut on the head that goes down as a TKO loss in mma yeno stupid poll!
we all know that receiving a severe cut in a fight means a TKO loss, the problem is that he recieved that cut from an illegal elbow. So according to the rules the fight should have been a NO CONTEST. But because it was a tournament and someone had to advance, they declared Tsuyoshi Kohsaka a winner( with the cut Fedor could not continue in the tournament) Unless i'm a Fedor basher, i don't see why would i count that as a loss
Overeem will never go to the UFC. Dana White wants exclusive rights to every single fight that a fighter has. Overeem likes to compete in other organizations like K1. Dana White would not allow that and that hurts a lot of fighters. They lose a lot of experience and potential when they are stuck with just one organization. Even if that one organization happens to be the best.
Fedor hasn't fought top contenders the last 2 years. Brock has never fought a top contender. Overeem just got back. Carwin's about to face the first real competition. Velasquez has yet to face a real contender. Mir? Puhlease. So stop the anti-Fedor crap. Until these guys start facing off against eachother there is no one with a claim of being the current top dog. Only retarded fan boys would claim any of these guys have fought top competition the last years.
Exactly! Very good point. Those guys fought nobodies. Until they fight each other none of them can be a real threat to Fedor. Over 2 years Overeem fought nobodies in Dream. After Brock or Carwin, whoever wins, I would say they either can challenge Fedor. Why do people say that those guys are the real competition, they have not fought anybody in top 10.
Let see: Brock - Couture, Mir
Mir- Nog, Carwin and Brock
Cain - Nog
Shane - Mir.
Dos Santos - Werdum
I am not a big Fedor's fun, but he will kill Overeem. Overeem has size advantage, but Fedor is durable and has a good chin. Overeem has a glass chim, one good hit will be enough.
I actually disagree. Mir KOd Noguiera who beat Couture. Couture is definitely a legit fighter at HW despite his size and age and Lesner did beat him. I personally think Couture could beat Lesner if they rematched but that's just my opinion. Lesner also beat Mir. Think about it. There are plenty of guys outside the UFC that stack up well against their top 5 HWs but how many totally out class them? The top guys in the UFC are definitely facing top contenders in each other, they just don't stack up with Fedor's legacy and I think they would all lose to Fedor (in the present) 7 out of 10 times.
you really need to get your facts right and stop spouting BS. name a UFC hw whose last 3 opponents stack up better than Fedors. You claim this and that, so back up your BS statements with some cold hard facts, not some stupid opinion. Any of you haters i challenge you, because i know you cannot back up your BS with facts only uneducated brock nut lovin tinted spectacles viewed opinions which dont mean sh*t!!
Name a UFC heavyweight that can't beat arlovski, silvia, or rogers? You know 2 out of 3 of those guys flunked out of the UFC right? Fedors skillset is awesome, especially his groundgame, but he hasn't had a real challenge since crocop.
Hell i'd take randy against arlovski and silvia for sure...who wouldn't?? Hell the guy came OUT of retirement to take down silvia back when he was actually good enough for the UFC, put the pipe down. Any UFC top 10 guy could buffer wins against a ton of opponents that Fedor has beaten, want names?
Ben Rothwell and Big Country already got KOd by Arlovsky. If Arlovski could get his head on straight he could be dangerous to a lot of UFC HWs. Rogers also, IMHO could do well in the UFC. Using Randy isn't really fair because the truth is that he could probably still take the HW championship from Lesner if he had gotten past Big Nog he probably would have.
You should read my comment again. It seems you did not understand it. For context, read some of my other comments. BTW I can't stand Brock and as I stated above, I believe Fedor would smash him 7 out of 10 times.
who cares if he keeps fighting guys who got cut from the ufc or didnt make it in the ufc then who cares. plus anyone who knows fedor and overeem knows that overeem will be just as scared going into the fight against fedor as rodgers was against him and i believe fedor will easily beat overeem by submission or tko, but i think the only true tests for fedor right now are lesnar, carwin,vasquez, or dos santos and until he comes to the ufc and win a fight i don't believe he is the greatest heavyweight but i also think that one of these big name ufc guys might go to strikeforce just to fight him.
I believe they should come to SF instead. Althought, I would love to see Fedor in the UFC.
All those years people kept saying :Fedor needs to fight Silvia, than Couture to prove himself. Now Brock, Cain and Shane. Those guys come and go. Once Brock looses, nobody would care about Fedor/ Brock fight.
Mir was actually thinking about joining SF just for that opportunity to fight Fedor. That would be a bad move. Fedor would tear his asshole...bad...real bad...Michael Jackson...
Fedor will remain undefeated because no one can spell lose. They always spell it loose. lol