Top 10 Fighters currently not on LowKick.com Community Top 10 P4P Rankings

I think Shelds, Diaz and Mousasi should be on the list, all three of them have fought in different weight classes and have be really successful in them, but the only problem is that if you want to include these guys then who are you going to take out? theres just too many good fighters to give proper due to everyone

Take off overeem, possibly brock

the top 5 seems very solid, i think people have a hard time choosing the rest of the top 10 because most people and websites only use the top 5 for p4p .



with that being said the pound for pound meaning seems to be miss undertand , few people really get what that means.



the easiest example i could think is this one

when you compared a fighter in the p4p rankings just imagine them as the same height and weight and think who would win with all their skills and techniques!



GSP is the best p4p fighter because hes so well rounded that if he was 185 or 205 he will simple outclass the other fighters

he has great stand up , awesome bjj and the best wrestling



so an example would be Champion Dominick Cruz

imagine him at 170 with his wrestling and stand up he would beat most WW there for he is a candidate for p4p top , hes been so dominant that no one at his weight class semms close to him at ANY aspect!



Brock Lesnar should not be even consider in the list since his size is his biggest advantage in his fights , imagine him at 185? could he beat Silva? imagine GSP near 300 pounds do you think Lesnar would stand a chance?



the last top 5 could be easily Frankie , Fitch , Jones , Aoki , Machida , Cruz , Mousasi , Ben Hendo , Marlo Sandro.



as for Alistar , Lesnar and Werdum they dont belong here , but in their respective weight classes

Exactly!! Finally someone gets it. that was the best way to explain it.

of course Georges deserves the number 1 spot.

people already think he can take the spider as he is now.



if he was 6'2" and 210 cutting to 185 he will beat Anderson with his wrestling and since his Jiu Jitsu is so good i doubt Silva can submit him no one has come close to a submission victory over gsp since UFC 50. if Bj Penn could Anderson has a less chance being the same size as GSP.

I agree to your definition there, I do not have Frankie, Brock or Machida on that list, but I do have Ben henderson, Cain and Mousasi, and let me explain my point for each one;



Frankie, he has speed and technique and he did an amazing job against BJ both times, but his wrestling can be nulified against people like Gray Maynard, so imagine that guy´s skills against GSP´s skills or Cain´s skills he would get his ass kicked...



Machida has done very well against most people except Rua, so imagine his skills against Ben Henderson´s, BJ´s or better Jose Also, not to mention Cain´s.



Brock, his bigest advantage is his size and strength even when he has one of the highest levels of wrestling, without his size he would not be match against BJJ guys or top sprawl and brawlers, his skills are limited to his strenght and size so he is not in my p4p list,



I have Mousasi on my list, he is skills can defeat almost anyone no matter where the fight goes.



I have Ben Henderson who not only he has excellent stand up but if they fight goes to the ground he will use his great JJ



And Finally Cain, his skills are great, and they are not based on size, he has fought guys that are bigger and has take them down and he keeps them there, he can stand up and beat you the only thing I have not seem from him is JJ....



That is the way I see it, I had the guys who I thought that based on skills were the most dangerous guys in MMA at this moment...

That's really dumb, because GSP actually has the chance to fight silva at 185 and it'd probably look alot like BJ penn1, only silva is not BJ penn. He's taller, has better striking, takes his conditioning far more seriously, and can strike from awkward positions with ease.



Silva ACTUALLY fought at multiple weights and dominated so you don't have to say ömg if he was this size". Yea i can't believe you said that GSP would dominate at 185 really....no arguments for why overeem is so amazing as usual.



Brock at 185 would be a dominant wrestler...at 170 he'd be a dominant wrestler. You realize he actually had to wrestle people his size to get over 100 victories? Genius.

I agree, Brock at a different weight might be less effective in some aspects but he would still be at the very least as effective as Gray Maynard. Another one I disagree with is Frankie Edgar. I do not understand how his skills would be "nullified" by a wrestler... Edgar is a wrestler. Yea, he was out-wrestled by Maynard, but Maynard is very strong and skilled at the craft.



As always tho, the p4p debate goes around and around lol

Brock at a different weight would therefore be more agile and less likely to tire, however he'd still retain his relative girth advantage vs other fighters of the same weight.



Yea, not seeing why he would suck. I LOVE how people keep inventing stupid reasons to degrade other wrestlers while hyping GSP up though.

and frankie will be a much beter fighter than the first time these two fought

yes GSP has a chance fighting Silva now! but you fail to view the point

IF Gsp was the same size Height and Weight as Silva .

meaning Gsp taller 6'2 and heavier around 210 and cutting to 185.



so making then equal pound for pound . meaning you eliminate the factor of the size advantage so it wont be like BJ vs GSP

so in that case GSP would simple takedown Silva and beat him on the ground he could even submit him his Jiu Jitsu is great and adding more power to him will make it possible.



so yes GSP would dominated at 185 if he was the same size as Silva!

look at Sonnen what he did with just his wrestling dominated Nate,Okami and Silva and GSP is by far better overall fighter

Yea then you could say that if BJ was the same size as GSP then GSP couldn't take him down and bj wins, but i bet you anything you won't like that. Omg look at what sonnen did when he was on steroids and fighting a guy with a rib injury who wanted to use his BJJ....



Different name close to EVERYTIME, same stupid arguments EVERYTIME.

i reckon fitch definitely should, and another person who deserves an honourable mention is rashad...i dislike him intensely as a person but as a fighter the facts speak for themselvs...1 defeat (to a guy whose on the list) and wins over chuck forrest rampage nd thiago silva amoung others

Bullshit as Sonnen said p4p fighter doesn't mean fighter who can beat everyone its mean fighter who has most skills... Werdum doesnt belong here.

You don't think ADCC competitor Werdum has skills? Your stupid. Is Brock Lesnar your #1. You probably have frankie edgar on yous too.

Daniel needs to get rid of a lot of those guys off the list.....except Jon Fitch (Not a fan of his fights but can only be beaten by GSP) and Jake Shields....I like Bendo though, but dont agree with him being p4p just yet.

I think C. Cyborg Santos = P4P. Thank about it. She's a beast...well, you know, a soft beast with a great bod.

my thing is that brock and frankie edgar arent p4p yet lesnar for only for having like 6 fights REALLY...... i dont think he should be at any list of p4p for pound fighters..... overrem deserves to be on the pound for pound hes fought the best of them in light heavy weight or middle weight in pride and did pretty good hes fought alot of the best (SHOGUN,LIDDELL,CRO COP,BELFORT LIL NOG).....HES 33-11-0

FITCH is a good ass fighter but he doesnt have the heart to take chances and wanna finish the fight.....idk what you guys think but he ok with just laying on top of a guy the whole fight some GSP started to do alot since his last loss....

A lot of these guys I'm sure some people consider p4p but collectively there are other fighters in which we consider more skilled. Which for some I agree should not be top 10 p4p

disgrace having brock in the top 10 what a joke, Cain will show how good brock really is, he will expose brock for what he really is a pretender

Im not sold on Cain yet but I know Desantos will expose him.

While I agree with most of your list, I really can't stand the idea of Fitch as a top p4p fighter. Yeah, he has a great record etc etc, but he's a perfect example of a fighter who's just looking to score points and win each round doing just enough to keep the ref from standing him up. Watching his last few fights, he isn't even attempting to finish his opponents. This has to be a criterion when picking p4p fighters; just because judging in MMA is ****ed up doesn't mean we as fans have to recognize these guys who just show up to grind out a 'victory' while putting us all to sleep.

Hey i fell asleep during fitches last fight, but i've fallen asleep during more than one of GSP's lately. If we use the same criteria to judge every fighter, fitch should be right up there too.

If you thought Fitch fight was boring on the tube imagine being 15 feet from the octogon, i kept nodding off due 2 the lack of action & tequila combo......but i was wide awake to see the #1 p4p choke out Sonnen

@ HATE i dont remember GSP choking Sonnen out?

HA....HA.......&......HA

Yeah, but at the very least GSP looks to advance position and land submissions etc. He finished BJ, battered Fitch and came very close to submitting Hardy. Fitch didn't even come close to finishing low ranked guys like Saunders and Pierce; heck, it didn't even look like he was interested in trying to finish them. That really, really sucks.

On the other hand, havent heard Fitch getting accused by multiple people of greasing. Does trying to finish determine p4p skill?

Brock is nowhere near any top 10 p4p list in reality, but given some fans were originally wwe fans, and others have an IQ below 110, then it's no surprise to see him there. What skills he has shown that are better than half the lightweights, welterweights or light heavyweights are imaginary, but as he is HW champ the mentally challenged give him the vote. He has won most of his fights purely because of size advantage, and little to do with skill. Couture matched him until he got caught, and even out wrestled him at times in the clinch. take away his size and compare skill sets and he goes way down the list. Beating guys you are much bigger than does not put you high on amy p4p list.

I also don't know why the selection to choose from is so small. There should be many other fighters to choose from rather than a small selection.

I agree, i will take away Brock and add Mousasi or aoki based on their skill and epic wins. If Brock was a WW or a LW he'd be loosing to everybody. Jones is still young but he is a p4p guy sooner or later for sure. He'll defeat Bader and probably outwresltle and outpower SHogun if Rashad cant do it in the first place.

I would personally remove Brock, Lyoto and BJ from the list. Bj would be the hardest to remove just based on the fact that he competed at higher weight classes and is so well rounded and skilled, but I think for current p4p rankings, you have to weigh the more recent performances heavily. BJ and Lyoto have had 2 consecutive poor performances.

No way can you take Machida out. He is the 2nd best fighter in the toughest division in the most highly competative MMA organisation in the world.

2 poor performances for Machida? The first fight against Shogun was a war, with two top class, evenly matched fighters going at it. Being knocked out once should not get you knocked off the p4p list, considering just how good Machida's record is and the caliber of opponent he lost to. Shogun is a beast.

Then you compare it to who shogun has lost to.....

Also I think the quality of the win matters for sure. I agree that GSP should be #1, but man if Shogun didn't have that loss to Forest on his record, he would be my #1 for sure.

Fedor lost his last fight. No way should he still hold the #3 spot.

What I believe P4P means is you are good at every aspect of mma. Brock and shields have no stand up so they should not be on the list and Aoki's is pretty weak too. Most of the others like Henderson and Jones are great and will eventually be on the list but they need a few more fights first to truely prove their worth

The fact you post a legitimate point gets weaked proves what idiots troll these sites. P4P of course means that most well rounded fighters are higher than most 1 dimensional fighters, you are 100% correct. And a 1 dimensional fighter who wins with massive size advantage puts you even lower.

they will still weak. they are going to try and overanalyze brock in the future to find mythological powers that set him apart.

totally agree with fitch just because you dont like his style doesnt mean you cant aknowledge his skills he has fought and beaten more top ten guys than most of the people on the list. also the whole p4p thing is kinda a joke it is all really speculation. you can say a guy like jose aldo has way more skill than brock which is true but how do you really compare a 295 pound fighter to a 145 one. you would have to do some insane math problems even to make a decent arguement. like finding the average hand speed of all 145 pounders the grade aldo on a curve then do the same for heavyweights for brock then come up with some number to either multiply it or divide it by to reach some common denominator to compare the two. thats just for hand speed then you have strength conditioning ect ect ect not to mention x factors like heart and skill it is basicly impossible. the only sensible way to look at it is to measure a fighter by dominace in their division and quality of opponents. if you do that then it is no less absurd to have brock than it is to have aldo. where aldo has been more dominant but brock even with his 6 fights has fought the better competiton

Aldo dont fight with 40lb advantage over his opponents, and he don't go foetal when hit. Brock is far from well rounded, but has massive advantage over most of his opponents from weight and size. Look at the flaws carwin highlighted, if it weren't for bad cardio and flailing madly instead of picking his shots, Carwin would now be on this list in Lesnars place. The only 2 HW's that belong anywhere near a p4p list are Cain and Fedor.

way over analyzing which lead to a nonsense consensus.

You convinced me on shields. But I havnt seen enough of those other guys to say. I love mma but some times its hard to keep up on all the promotions

I'm suprised nobody has mentioned Hector Lombard. The man is a beast.

I have him ranked in my top ten middleweights, but not my p4p list. I agree tho, he is a beast. His match against Shlemenko will be interesting. Its should be a great test, win or lose.

take a look at my personal rankings

Jon Jones is #10 on the top ten fighters NOT on the p4p list. In the near future he will be #1 on THE p4p list(or tied with Aldo). This guy keeps getting snubbed everywhere I look. I just don't get it. He is going to rag doll Bader.

It might be a little pre mature, but its ok in my book. He is that good, especially when he KO's Bader!

I really like what I have seen from Jon Jones so far but he needs more fights against top 10 guys in the LHW division to really establish himself. I'm looking forward to his challenges being harder and seeing how he responds to elite level of competition.

hey i agree and i think the same about ryan bader, lets see either of them fight a forrest griffin, a rich franklin, rampage jackson, tit ortiz, i dont see how a jones beating bader or bader beating jones would get either a title shot, lets see them beat some established contenders or former champs!

I wasn't convinced Bader should have won his last fight. Nog guaged the distance better and caused him more problems over the 3 rounds. Jones will destroy him if he performs like that again.

What about Cyborg Santos??

jon jones does not deserve to be top 10 p4p yet, sorry.... he eventually will but not right now

i dont like all the hypotheticals, its not making sense you cant compare 155 to heavy weight, its like comparing ty cobb to albert pujols, or wilt chamberlain to shaq,, the only thing no one can really dipsute is silva and gsp are the top 2 fighters, so i say lets see them fight at a catch weight, make it the highest selling event of all time both in their prime, UFC dont let it go any further both have dominated their divisions, do it now while you still can have them both at their peak! 180 would be a pefect catch weight

I think the real rankings should be from the fans

I like it but alot of U.S fans are stupid

where are u from?

what about antonio bigfoot silva,josh barnett,roger gracie,king mo,calvacante sf champ,antonio mckee,cung le,robbie lawler,we not allowed 2 rank these guys ? now im not saying they all in my top 10 but we should have more choice use controlling it to much by not giving us more fighters 2 choose from

There are plenty of fighters to choose from and they change each month based on recent activity. Furthermore, most of the fighters you have name are available, if not in p4p then in their respective weight class. It is a rankings list, not a list of your favorite fighters. LowKick already offers a favorite fighter feature on your profile.

cain valesques should have made this list even before he beat brock